Re: Your thoughts? New One on Me!

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that your first doctor has

had a lot of time to show progress or at least a credible path toward

progress. I think unless the second one is no better I would say goodbye

to the first one. If the second one is no better, I would look for number

three. It might take a while to get to a satisfactory place and you might

not get back all of your capabilities that you had before RA but you should at

least be able to generally function. Of course, if you already have

permanent joint damage that cannot be reversed and joint replacement can do

only so much.

I think doctors don’t want to lose

patients for the same reason that stores don’t want to lose

customers. Their business has some value to the store but the reputation

of the store is of much greater value. A truly dissatisfied customer can

cause two or three of their friends to leave the store, and each one might

cause two or three more to leave the store, and it can become very serious for

the store.

If you do go back to the first doctor I

suggest you make sure you understand his expectations for you and plans for

future treatment. Unless you and the doctor are on the same page about

how to treat your RA you will do both of you a favor to find a different

doctor. God bless.

From: Rheumatoid Arthritis [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008

6:50 PM

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject:

Your thoughts? New One on Me!

As promised:

So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but

then I thought

what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I

saw to send his

report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that

the hand

specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and

I would be

back in touch with him.

5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his

admins.

writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, " Well, who are you

seeing? " I told him

and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.

Then he said, " I don't want to lose you as a patient! " and I said,

" Well I am looking for

someone who will treat me aggressively. " " Well these aggressive

drugs have side effects! "

" Yes, but I was taking Humira and that had a lot of side effects as

well. " (One of which may

be lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other

Rheum. (which

would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)

What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my

money?

Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better

instead of worse

like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going

on with me?

This is what I want in a doctor.

DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he

is now

more likely to do what I want.

Thoughts, please?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

You so many times we seem to forget that Dr.s are people too. I am sure that I have met my fair share of inattentive or uncaring people and some of them have unfortunately been doctors or other people in places of authority over certain aspects or areas of my life. Some how though I have to keep remembering that most people are surely inherently good but sometimes just as you or me have a bad day or experience some less than attractive behaviors. I would imagine that this doctor truly doesnt want to loose you as a patient and that most doctors do take seriously the oath to help people and be there for their best intrest. Sometimes I do think that we have persoanlity conflicts, but then other times I also think we just are frusterated and dont feel well and want more

than an human can produce for us. I think sometimes we need to go to prayer or whatever means you each use to meditate the days affairs and be open to the leading of a gut feeling that many may call the leading of the Holy Spirit. I personally pray for my doctor and his staff, has anyone tried this? It seems to help me and him get along and see things better together.

In Christian Love,

Reni

From: Harold Van Tuyl <hvantuyl@...>Subject: RE: Your thoughts? New One on Me!Rheumatoid Arthritis Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 10:22 PM

It seems to me that your first doctor has had a lot of time to show progress or at least a credible path toward progress. I think unless the second one is no better I would say goodbye to the first one. If the second one is no better, I would look for number three. It might take a while to get to a satisfactory place and you might not get back all of your capabilities that you had before RA but you should at least be able to generally function. Of course, if you already have permanent joint damage that cannot be reversed and joint replacement can do only so much.

I think doctors don¢t want to lose patients for the same reason that stores don¢t want to lose customers. Their business has some value to the store but the reputation of the store is of much greater value. A truly dissatisfied customer can cause two or three of their friends to leave the store, and each one might cause two or three more to leave the store, and it can become very serious for the store.

If you do go back to the first doctor I suggest you make sure you understand his expectations for you and plans for future treatment. Unless you and the doctor are on the same page about how to treat your RA you will do both of you a favor to find a different doctor. God bless.

From: rheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) com [mailto: rheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) com ] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:50 PMrheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) comSubject:[rheumatoid_ arthritis] Your thoughts? New One on Me!

As promised:So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but then I thought what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I saw to send his report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that the hand specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and I would be back in touch with him.5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his admins. writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, "Well, who are you seeing?" I told him and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.Then he said, "I don't want to lose you as a patient!" and I said, "Well I am looking for someone who will treat me aggressively. " "Well these aggressive drugs have side effects!" "Yes, but I was taking Humira and

that had a lot of side effects as well." (One of which may be lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other Rheum. (which would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my money? Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better instead of worse like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going on with me? This is what I want in a doctor. DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he is now more likely to do what I want.Thoughts, please?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Find a Doctor that stays active in research and current happening with the the new Meds. Some doc. fall into the same ole routine, most of us do not need that.

Cheers

From: Harold Van Tuyl <hvantuyl@...>Subject: RE: Your thoughts? New One on Me!Rheumatoid Arthritis Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 10:22 PM

It seems to me that your first doctor has had a lot of time to show progress or at least a credible path toward progress. I think unless the second one is no better I would say goodbye to the first one. If the second one is no better, I would look for number three. It might take a while to get to a satisfactory place and you might not get back all of your capabilities that you had before RA but you should at least be able to generally function. Of course, if you already have permanent joint damage that cannot be reversed and joint replacement can do only so much.

I think doctors don¢t want to lose patients for the same reason that stores don¢t want to lose customers. Their business has some value to the store but the reputation of the store is of much greater value. A truly dissatisfied customer can cause two or three of their friends to leave the store, and each one might cause two or three more to leave the store, and it can become very serious for the store.

If you do go back to the first doctor I suggest you make sure you understand his expectations for you and plans for future treatment. Unless you and the doctor are on the same page about how to treat your RA you will do both of you a favor to find a different doctor. God bless.

From: rheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) com [mailto: rheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) com ] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:50 PMrheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) comSubject:[rheumatoid_ arthritis] Your thoughts? New One on Me!

As promised:So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but then I thought what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I saw to send his report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that the hand specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and I would be back in touch with him.5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his admins. writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, "Well, who are you seeing?" I told him and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.Then he said, "I don't want to lose you as a patient!" and I said, "Well I am looking for someone who will treat me aggressively. " "Well these aggressive drugs have side effects!" "Yes, but I was taking Humira and

that had a lot of side effects as well." (One of which may be lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other Rheum. (which would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my money? Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better instead of worse like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going on with me? This is what I want in a doctor. DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he is now more likely to do what I want.Thoughts, please?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

If you live in the Dallas, Tx area Dr.Holts is #1 on R/A Try to find a R/A doc. that is current in his game and is a internal medicine phd. I have found great doctors using that formula , but it takes sometime.good luck, god bless

Cheers,

From: <catdelouise@...>Subject: Your thoughts? New One on Me!Rheumatoid Arthritis Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 8:50 PM

As promised:So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but then I thought what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I saw to send his report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that the hand specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and I would be back in touch with him.5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his admins. writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, "Well, who are you seeing?" I told him and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.Then he said, "I don't want to lose you as a patient!" and I said, "Well I am looking for someone who will treat me aggressively. " "Well these aggressive drugs have side effects!" "Yes, but I was taking Humira and that had a lot of side effects as well." (One of which may be

lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other Rheum. (which would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my money? Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better instead of worse like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going on with me? This is what I want in a doctor. DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he is now more likely to do what I want.Thoughts, please?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Dear - This is where your empowerment comes in. If he doesnt want to lose you as a patient then he should validate your RA and put you on Remicade or Rituxan, not pass HIS mistakes off on illegible writing on reports. What malarky. Do see the second. Do not go meekly. Doctors will fight for your business in some aspects but most will just be happy to lose you because they are already over there head in patients. I am so proud of you for speaking up. Keep doing that. Push ahead and dont let anything or anyone stand in the way of your treatment. Yours, Deborah

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:50 PM, <catdelouise@...> wrote:

As promised:So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but then I thought what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I saw to send his

report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that the hand specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and I would be back in touch with him.5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his admins.

writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, " Well, who are you seeing? " I told him and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.Then he said, " I don't want to lose you as a patient! " and I said, " Well I am looking for

someone who will treat me aggressively. " " Well these aggressive drugs have side effects! " " Yes, but I was taking Humira and that had a lot of side effects as well. " (One of which may be lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other Rheum. (which

would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my money? Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better instead of worse

like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going on with me? This is what I want in a doctor. DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he is now

more likely to do what I want.Thoughts, please?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

I think I am missing something. What happened to the doctor that had you on Humira? Is that the first doc? Is that the doctor that called you. Did the doctor that called you call you personally? I have an opinion but I want to make sure I have the facts straight first.

From: <catdelouise@...>Subject: Your thoughts? New One on Me!Rheumatoid Arthritis Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:50 PM

As promised:So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but then I thought what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I saw to send his report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that the hand specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and I would be back in touch with him.5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his admins. writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, "Well, who are you seeing?" I told him and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.Then he said, "I don't want to lose you as a patient!" and I said, "Well I am looking for someone who will treat me aggressively. " "Well these aggressive drugs have side effects!" "Yes, but I was taking Humira and that had a lot of side effects as well." (One of which may be

lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other Rheum. (which would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my money? Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better instead of worse like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going on with me? This is what I want in a doctor. DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he is now more likely to do what I want.Thoughts, please?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Another question. Is the doctor who says he cant read the writing, the one who sent you to see the hand specialist? If so, then he sound contact the hand specialist about the report himself to find out the results of it. That would drive me crazy for a doctor to complain to me about not being able to read the report. They should comunicate to each other not to you.

From: <catdelouise@ comcast.net>Subject: [rheumatoid_ arthritis] Your thoughts? New One on Me!rheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:50 PM

As promised:So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but then I thought what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I saw to send his report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that the hand specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and I would be back in touch with him.5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his admins. writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, "Well, who are you seeing?" I told him and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.Then he said, "I don't want to lose you as a patient!" and I said, "Well I am looking for someone who will treat me aggressively. " "Well these aggressive drugs have side effects!" "Yes, but I was taking Humira and that had a lot of side effects as well." (One of which may be

lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other Rheum. (which would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my money? Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better instead of worse like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going on with me? This is what I want in a doctor. DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he is now more likely to do what I want.Thoughts, please?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

The first doctor that diagnosed me in 2003 was the one who had me on Humira,

sadly

passed away a couple of years ago. So now I have been seeing this 2nd guy for 3

years.

Thanks,

>

> From: <catdelouise@...>

> Subject: Your thoughts? New One on Me!

> Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:50 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> As promised:

>

> So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but

then I

thought

> what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I

saw to send

his

> report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that

the hand

> specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and

I would

be

> back in touch with him.

>

> 5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his

admins.

> writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, " Well, who are you

seeing? " I told

him

> and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.

>

> Then he said, " I don't want to lose you as a patient! " and I said, " Well I am

looking for

> someone who will treat me aggressively. " " Well these aggressive drugs have

side

effects! "

> " Yes, but I was taking Humira and that had a lot of side effects as well. "

(One of which

may

> be lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other

Rheum.

(which

> would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)

>

> What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my

money?

> Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better

instead of

worse

> like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going

on with me?

> This is what I want in a doctor.

>

> DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he

is now

> more likely to do what I want.

>

> Thoughts, please?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ahhhh, ok, thats what I thought but I wasnt sure. Did your records get transferred to the new doctor? Is this new doctor one recommended from the old doctor? Wow, I cant believe the trouble you are having. Obviously if you were on humira, there was a good reason why you were put on it and the new doctor should have those reasons in your file. I don't know what I would do if I was put in your situation. I hate to fight for something that seems so obvious!

From: <catdelouise@...>Subject: Re: Your thoughts? New One on Me!Rheumatoid Arthritis Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 2:00 PM

Hey ,The first doctor that diagnosed me in 2003 was the one who had me on Humira, sadly passed away a couple of years ago. So now I have been seeing this 2nd guy for 3 years.Thanks,> > From: <catdelouise@ ...>> Subject: [rheumatoid_ arthritis] Your thoughts? New One on

Me!> rheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:50 PM> > > > > > > As promised:> > So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but then I thought > what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that I saw to send his > report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin. that the hand > specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that and I would be > back in touch with him.> > 5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read his admins. > writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, "Well, who are you seeing?" I told him > and he said he knew her and

wanted a report from her.> > Then he said, "I don't want to lose you as a patient!" and I said, "Well I am looking for > someone who will treat me aggressively. " "Well these aggressive drugs have side effects!" > "Yes, but I was taking Humira and that had a lot of side effects as well." (One of which may > be lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other Rheum. (which > would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)> > What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose my money? > Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better instead of worse > like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is going on with me? > This is what I want in a doctor. > > DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me he is now > more

likely to do what I want.> > Thoughts, please?> > Thanks,> > >

[Guest guest]

My records from my first doctor did get transferred but they were all

handwritten and my

present doctor whom I have been seeing since 2005 said he could not read them.

I do not

believe I have ever tested positive for the official RA test.

And yes, if I didn't have RA why was I helped for so long by Humira?!

> >

> > From: <catdelouise@ ...>

> > Subject: [rheumatoid_ arthritis] Your thoughts? New One on Me!

> > rheumatoid_arthriti sgroups (DOT) com

> > Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:50 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > As promised:

> >

> > So, I am currently seeing 2 Rheums., obviously I have to make a choice, but

then I

> thought

> > what if the 2nd one isn't good either? So, I asked the hand specialist that

I saw to

send

> his

> > report to both doctors. I called up the first doctor and told his admin.

that the hand

> > specialist advised me to seek a second opinion (true) and I was doing that

and I would

> be

> > back in touch with him.

> >

> > 5 minutes later I get a call back from HIM, claiming that he couldn't read

his admins.

> > writing, what was going on? I explained and he said, " Well, who are you

seeing? " I told

> him

> > and he said he knew her and wanted a report from her.

> >

> > Then he said, " I don't want to lose you as a patient! " and I said, " Well I

am looking for

> > someone who will treat me aggressively. " " Well these aggressive drugs have

side

> effects! "

> > " Yes, but I was taking Humira and that had a lot of side effects as well. "

(One of which

> may

> > be lymphoma) I told him that I would get back to him after I saw the other

Rheum.

> (which

> > would be my second visit but he doesn't know that)

> >

> > What did he mean when he said he didn't want to lose me as a patient? Lose

my

money?

> > Does he really care about me as a patient? Does he want me to get better

instead of

> worse

> > like I get day by day? Does he want to dig until he figures out what is

going on with

me?

> > This is what I want in a doctor.

> >

> > DH thinks I now have some leverage with him, if he doesn't want to lose me

he is now

> > more likely to do what I want.

> >

> > Thoughts, please?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>