Re: Thanks, you guys are great

[Guest guest]

Paige, hold on now! This group is not a support group for people

withdrawing from SSRI's, but an activist group committed to changing

the system. Mostly, we gather news articles and studies. We have a

HUGE library of information.

For support withdrawing from SSRI's, please go to Prozac Truth, where

you can receive information which will help you recover. I'm sorry, I

do not have the URL handy here, but if you do a GOOGLE search, it will

take you right to it. There are many other SSRI withdrawal support

sites, but Prozac Truth has an excellent man running the show who can

help you find some answers.

What you are experiencing is indeed awful - when you are somewhat

recovered, please revisit SSRI Crusaders and help us make some changes!

By the way, Ramo and Charlie haven't been heard from or mentioned for

months - but they just got married. Glitter just recently wrote a book

about the dirty dealings of the pharmaceutical industry, and has been

nominated for a Pulitzer Prize. These things do get mentioned on the

boards, but they are not our main concern, I assure you! Folks here

are very busy fighting lawsuits and handling PR campaigns and writing

letters all over the place. I know that the moderator is under a lot

of pressure because of a lawsuit against Eli Lilly. Others are suing

GSK. Don't judge us too harshly - I am sure that you were not being

ignored - more likely that folks haven't visited the boards much in

the last few days due to workloads in other areas.

Check out Prozac Truth and let us know if you found it helpful. And

please accept our apologies for making you feel ignored!

Best,

> Not really....I have not received a shred of info, a shred of

> optimism, a shred of ANYTHING from any of you! WHy are you

> here? What is the purpose of this group? What if i had been

> suicidal....all i needed was info! That's it....what is it with you?

> you really should make this group PRIVATE if you don't want poor

> souls, like me, coming to you for support and questions that i so

> desperately need answered. I am screwed for life because of an

> SSRI and I thought that's what this was for!!

> You should all be disappointed in what you COULD'VE done for

> me (or anyone ) and DIDN " T.

[Guest guest]

, you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

PROZACAWARENESS/

and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

prozactruth/

We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

better, best to all hugs

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as to

why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is a

Political Action group against anything to do with a person being " mentally

ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God that

we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life being

" so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

Joy

Re: Thanks, you guys are great

> , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

>

> PROZACAWARENESS/

>

> and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

>

> prozactruth/

>

> We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> better, best to all hugs

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as to

why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is a

Political Action group against anything to do with a person being " mentally

ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God that

we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life being

" so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

Joy

Re: Thanks, you guys are great

> , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

>

> PROZACAWARENESS/

>

> and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

>

> prozactruth/

>

> We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> better, best to all hugs

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joy, did Tim send you here because you want support in stopping your

husband's ex-wife from giving drugs to your stepdaughter? If I am

understanding this right, that's what you want to accomplish?

We are an action group, but I'm not sure that " political action group "

describes us.....although I suppose that we do write to our

representatives a lot. I would say that we are using the democratic

process - more than that we are " political " .

That being said, how can we help you with the problem you describe? We

have so much information at our fingertips. Do you need written

material to convince someone with? Let us know what you need, and I am

sure we'll be able to BOMBARD you with information supporting your

position on drugging children. Drugging children is about the most

horrible thing there is - and there's a lot of it going on. We are

dead against it, and we can back up our opinions. We can help you back

up YOUR opinions. I think Tim must have had that in mind when he sent

you here.

As for mental illness " not existing " ....I don't think anyone here would

ever say that. Mental illness does indeed exist! Our position is

that:

A) Mental illness is not helped by brain disabling drugs. The outward

symptoms are suppressed, but the illness remains. By not properly

addressing the CAUSES of mental illness, we don't help the person at

all - we just lock them into a drug induced stupor, all by themselves.

By drugging people, especially children and elderly, we isolate them

completely in their pain so that we don't have to deal with it. Worse,

we sentence them to a life of drug addiction and the stigma of having "

a mental problem " .

Mental illness is oversold by the psychiatric profession. I hardly

think there is a person on earth who couldn't be found to be " mentally

ill " by the definitions contained in the Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual (DSM-IV). The DSM is an ever-growing list of " conditions " that

are treatable by DRUGS. It's produced by and for the pharmaceuticals,

and is the bible of psychiatry.

C) Real emotional distress in individuals can be helped in so many ways

without the use of drugs. We call it mental illness, but what does

that really mean? Think about it. It's almost as if by naming it an

illness, an act of God or of Fate or of biology or of genetics, we can

divest ourselves of our responsibilities to our fellow human beings.

This is why people are drugging children. We want to stop the bad

behaviors,the " crazy " actions, the rebellion, the sulkiness, the

inability to concentrate....but we're lazy creatures. It takes a lot

of work, commitment, and adjustment for people to make the real

lifestyle changes necessary to help kids in this toxic, too-fast world.

It takes sacrifice. It might involve the whole family making very

important changes - in diet, in time management, in discipline, in

reward and incentive. In our crazed, materialistic society, we are

letting the kids fall by the wayside. We drug them into submission,

the cruelest of responses. Are parents who fall into this trap evil

people? I don't think so. What is REALLY evil is the people who make

the trap. The pharmaceutical companies, and doctors whose arrogant,

close-minded attitudes perpetuate this horrible state of affairs FOR

MONEY.

D) When we say " disease-mongering " we don't mean that mental illness is

not real or that it should not be treated. We mean that it is UNETHICAL

to prescribe dangerous drugs at a huge profit for life's bumps and

scrapes. It is UNETHICAL to skew clinical trail results and hide

dangerous, life-threatening, health-ruining side effects. It is

UNETHICAL to employ euphemisms like " discontinuation syndrome " for what

has to be the most horrible withdrawal ever seen by mankind. And it

is UNETHICAL for the medical professions to collude in making people

believe that their children have defective brains - when in fact their

little brains are working fine and probably in over-drive.

In a little over a year, SSRI Crusaders and its sister groups have

amassed literally thousands of articles, studies, personal accounts -

anything you ever needed as heavy artillery to fight what is happening

to your stepdaughter. Let us help you.

The bad news is that you may not be able to convince your husband's ex-

wife. This is something you'll do your best with - but the message may

be unpopular......certainly all of us here have had our bad experiences

in this regard. What is important in the end is that in understanding

what is going on here, you'll be able to lead by example - knowing that

you are actually RIGHT will give you some peace of mind and help you to

have the strength to help your step-daughter in whatever ways ARE

possible. She's lucky to have you fighting for her - but be aware that

the medical and psychiatric and even educational insitutions may well

see it a different way. You're right - it's wrong. It shouldn't be

happening, but it is.

Play smart. Play fair. Play for keeps.

Good luck, Joy. Stay strong. J

> Hi ,

> The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

> conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as to

> why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is a

> Political Action group against anything to do with a person being " mentally

> ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

> husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

> his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

> thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

> loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God that

> we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life being

> " so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

>

> Joy

>

> Re: Thanks, you guys are great

>

>

> > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> >

> > PROZACAWARENESS/

> >

> > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> >

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > better, best to all hugs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Joy, did Tim send you here because you want support in stopping your

husband's ex-wife from giving drugs to your stepdaughter? If I am

understanding this right, that's what you want to accomplish?

We are an action group, but I'm not sure that " political action group "

describes us.....although I suppose that we do write to our

representatives a lot. I would say that we are using the democratic

process - more than that we are " political " .

That being said, how can we help you with the problem you describe? We

have so much information at our fingertips. Do you need written

material to convince someone with? Let us know what you need, and I am

sure we'll be able to BOMBARD you with information supporting your

position on drugging children. Drugging children is about the most

horrible thing there is - and there's a lot of it going on. We are

dead against it, and we can back up our opinions. We can help you back

up YOUR opinions. I think Tim must have had that in mind when he sent

you here.

As for mental illness " not existing " ....I don't think anyone here would

ever say that. Mental illness does indeed exist! Our position is

that:

A) Mental illness is not helped by brain disabling drugs. The outward

symptoms are suppressed, but the illness remains. By not properly

addressing the CAUSES of mental illness, we don't help the person at

all - we just lock them into a drug induced stupor, all by themselves.

By drugging people, especially children and elderly, we isolate them

completely in their pain so that we don't have to deal with it. Worse,

we sentence them to a life of drug addiction and the stigma of having "

a mental problem " .

Mental illness is oversold by the psychiatric profession. I hardly

think there is a person on earth who couldn't be found to be " mentally

ill " by the definitions contained in the Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual (DSM-IV). The DSM is an ever-growing list of " conditions " that

are treatable by DRUGS. It's produced by and for the pharmaceuticals,

and is the bible of psychiatry.

C) Real emotional distress in individuals can be helped in so many ways

without the use of drugs. We call it mental illness, but what does

that really mean? Think about it. It's almost as if by naming it an

illness, an act of God or of Fate or of biology or of genetics, we can

divest ourselves of our responsibilities to our fellow human beings.

This is why people are drugging children. We want to stop the bad

behaviors,the " crazy " actions, the rebellion, the sulkiness, the

inability to concentrate....but we're lazy creatures. It takes a lot

of work, commitment, and adjustment for people to make the real

lifestyle changes necessary to help kids in this toxic, too-fast world.

It takes sacrifice. It might involve the whole family making very

important changes - in diet, in time management, in discipline, in

reward and incentive. In our crazed, materialistic society, we are

letting the kids fall by the wayside. We drug them into submission,

the cruelest of responses. Are parents who fall into this trap evil

people? I don't think so. What is REALLY evil is the people who make

the trap. The pharmaceutical companies, and doctors whose arrogant,

close-minded attitudes perpetuate this horrible state of affairs FOR

MONEY.

D) When we say " disease-mongering " we don't mean that mental illness is

not real or that it should not be treated. We mean that it is UNETHICAL

to prescribe dangerous drugs at a huge profit for life's bumps and

scrapes. It is UNETHICAL to skew clinical trail results and hide

dangerous, life-threatening, health-ruining side effects. It is

UNETHICAL to employ euphemisms like " discontinuation syndrome " for what

has to be the most horrible withdrawal ever seen by mankind. And it

is UNETHICAL for the medical professions to collude in making people

believe that their children have defective brains - when in fact their

little brains are working fine and probably in over-drive.

In a little over a year, SSRI Crusaders and its sister groups have

amassed literally thousands of articles, studies, personal accounts -

anything you ever needed as heavy artillery to fight what is happening

to your stepdaughter. Let us help you.

The bad news is that you may not be able to convince your husband's ex-

wife. This is something you'll do your best with - but the message may

be unpopular......certainly all of us here have had our bad experiences

in this regard. What is important in the end is that in understanding

what is going on here, you'll be able to lead by example - knowing that

you are actually RIGHT will give you some peace of mind and help you to

have the strength to help your step-daughter in whatever ways ARE

possible. She's lucky to have you fighting for her - but be aware that

the medical and psychiatric and even educational insitutions may well

see it a different way. You're right - it's wrong. It shouldn't be

happening, but it is.

Play smart. Play fair. Play for keeps.

Good luck, Joy. Stay strong. J

> Hi ,

> The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

> conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as to

> why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is a

> Political Action group against anything to do with a person being " mentally

> ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

> husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

> his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

> thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

> loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God that

> we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life being

> " so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

>

> Joy

>

> Re: Thanks, you guys are great

>

>

> > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> >

> > PROZACAWARENESS/

> >

> > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> >

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > better, best to all hugs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Joy, did Tim send you here because you want support in stopping your

husband's ex-wife from giving drugs to your stepdaughter? If I am

understanding this right, that's what you want to accomplish?

We are an action group, but I'm not sure that " political action group "

describes us.....although I suppose that we do write to our

representatives a lot. I would say that we are using the democratic

process - more than that we are " political " .

That being said, how can we help you with the problem you describe? We

have so much information at our fingertips. Do you need written

material to convince someone with? Let us know what you need, and I am

sure we'll be able to BOMBARD you with information supporting your

position on drugging children. Drugging children is about the most

horrible thing there is - and there's a lot of it going on. We are

dead against it, and we can back up our opinions. We can help you back

up YOUR opinions. I think Tim must have had that in mind when he sent

you here.

As for mental illness " not existing " ....I don't think anyone here would

ever say that. Mental illness does indeed exist! Our position is

that:

A) Mental illness is not helped by brain disabling drugs. The outward

symptoms are suppressed, but the illness remains. By not properly

addressing the CAUSES of mental illness, we don't help the person at

all - we just lock them into a drug induced stupor, all by themselves.

By drugging people, especially children and elderly, we isolate them

completely in their pain so that we don't have to deal with it. Worse,

we sentence them to a life of drug addiction and the stigma of having "

a mental problem " .

Mental illness is oversold by the psychiatric profession. I hardly

think there is a person on earth who couldn't be found to be " mentally

ill " by the definitions contained in the Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual (DSM-IV). The DSM is an ever-growing list of " conditions " that

are treatable by DRUGS. It's produced by and for the pharmaceuticals,

and is the bible of psychiatry.

C) Real emotional distress in individuals can be helped in so many ways

without the use of drugs. We call it mental illness, but what does

that really mean? Think about it. It's almost as if by naming it an

illness, an act of God or of Fate or of biology or of genetics, we can

divest ourselves of our responsibilities to our fellow human beings.

This is why people are drugging children. We want to stop the bad

behaviors,the " crazy " actions, the rebellion, the sulkiness, the

inability to concentrate....but we're lazy creatures. It takes a lot

of work, commitment, and adjustment for people to make the real

lifestyle changes necessary to help kids in this toxic, too-fast world.

It takes sacrifice. It might involve the whole family making very

important changes - in diet, in time management, in discipline, in

reward and incentive. In our crazed, materialistic society, we are

letting the kids fall by the wayside. We drug them into submission,

the cruelest of responses. Are parents who fall into this trap evil

people? I don't think so. What is REALLY evil is the people who make

the trap. The pharmaceutical companies, and doctors whose arrogant,

close-minded attitudes perpetuate this horrible state of affairs FOR

MONEY.

D) When we say " disease-mongering " we don't mean that mental illness is

not real or that it should not be treated. We mean that it is UNETHICAL

to prescribe dangerous drugs at a huge profit for life's bumps and

scrapes. It is UNETHICAL to skew clinical trail results and hide

dangerous, life-threatening, health-ruining side effects. It is

UNETHICAL to employ euphemisms like " discontinuation syndrome " for what

has to be the most horrible withdrawal ever seen by mankind. And it

is UNETHICAL for the medical professions to collude in making people

believe that their children have defective brains - when in fact their

little brains are working fine and probably in over-drive.

In a little over a year, SSRI Crusaders and its sister groups have

amassed literally thousands of articles, studies, personal accounts -

anything you ever needed as heavy artillery to fight what is happening

to your stepdaughter. Let us help you.

The bad news is that you may not be able to convince your husband's ex-

wife. This is something you'll do your best with - but the message may

be unpopular......certainly all of us here have had our bad experiences

in this regard. What is important in the end is that in understanding

what is going on here, you'll be able to lead by example - knowing that

you are actually RIGHT will give you some peace of mind and help you to

have the strength to help your step-daughter in whatever ways ARE

possible. She's lucky to have you fighting for her - but be aware that

the medical and psychiatric and even educational insitutions may well

see it a different way. You're right - it's wrong. It shouldn't be

happening, but it is.

Play smart. Play fair. Play for keeps.

Good luck, Joy. Stay strong. J

> Hi ,

> The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

> conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as to

> why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is a

> Political Action group against anything to do with a person being " mentally

> ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

> husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

> his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

> thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

> loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God that

> we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life being

> " so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

>

> Joy

>

> Re: Thanks, you guys are great

>

>

> > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> >

> > PROZACAWARENESS/

> >

> > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> >

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > better, best to all hugs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Joy, did Tim send you here because you want support in stopping your

husband's ex-wife from giving drugs to your stepdaughter? If I am

understanding this right, that's what you want to accomplish?

We are an action group, but I'm not sure that " political action group "

describes us.....although I suppose that we do write to our

representatives a lot. I would say that we are using the democratic

process - more than that we are " political " .

That being said, how can we help you with the problem you describe? We

have so much information at our fingertips. Do you need written

material to convince someone with? Let us know what you need, and I am

sure we'll be able to BOMBARD you with information supporting your

position on drugging children. Drugging children is about the most

horrible thing there is - and there's a lot of it going on. We are

dead against it, and we can back up our opinions. We can help you back

up YOUR opinions. I think Tim must have had that in mind when he sent

you here.

As for mental illness " not existing " ....I don't think anyone here would

ever say that. Mental illness does indeed exist! Our position is

that:

A) Mental illness is not helped by brain disabling drugs. The outward

symptoms are suppressed, but the illness remains. By not properly

addressing the CAUSES of mental illness, we don't help the person at

all - we just lock them into a drug induced stupor, all by themselves.

By drugging people, especially children and elderly, we isolate them

completely in their pain so that we don't have to deal with it. Worse,

we sentence them to a life of drug addiction and the stigma of having "

a mental problem " .

Mental illness is oversold by the psychiatric profession. I hardly

think there is a person on earth who couldn't be found to be " mentally

ill " by the definitions contained in the Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual (DSM-IV). The DSM is an ever-growing list of " conditions " that

are treatable by DRUGS. It's produced by and for the pharmaceuticals,

and is the bible of psychiatry.

C) Real emotional distress in individuals can be helped in so many ways

without the use of drugs. We call it mental illness, but what does

that really mean? Think about it. It's almost as if by naming it an

illness, an act of God or of Fate or of biology or of genetics, we can

divest ourselves of our responsibilities to our fellow human beings.

This is why people are drugging children. We want to stop the bad

behaviors,the " crazy " actions, the rebellion, the sulkiness, the

inability to concentrate....but we're lazy creatures. It takes a lot

of work, commitment, and adjustment for people to make the real

lifestyle changes necessary to help kids in this toxic, too-fast world.

It takes sacrifice. It might involve the whole family making very

important changes - in diet, in time management, in discipline, in

reward and incentive. In our crazed, materialistic society, we are

letting the kids fall by the wayside. We drug them into submission,

the cruelest of responses. Are parents who fall into this trap evil

people? I don't think so. What is REALLY evil is the people who make

the trap. The pharmaceutical companies, and doctors whose arrogant,

close-minded attitudes perpetuate this horrible state of affairs FOR

MONEY.

D) When we say " disease-mongering " we don't mean that mental illness is

not real or that it should not be treated. We mean that it is UNETHICAL

to prescribe dangerous drugs at a huge profit for life's bumps and

scrapes. It is UNETHICAL to skew clinical trail results and hide

dangerous, life-threatening, health-ruining side effects. It is

UNETHICAL to employ euphemisms like " discontinuation syndrome " for what

has to be the most horrible withdrawal ever seen by mankind. And it

is UNETHICAL for the medical professions to collude in making people

believe that their children have defective brains - when in fact their

little brains are working fine and probably in over-drive.

In a little over a year, SSRI Crusaders and its sister groups have

amassed literally thousands of articles, studies, personal accounts -

anything you ever needed as heavy artillery to fight what is happening

to your stepdaughter. Let us help you.

The bad news is that you may not be able to convince your husband's ex-

wife. This is something you'll do your best with - but the message may

be unpopular......certainly all of us here have had our bad experiences

in this regard. What is important in the end is that in understanding

what is going on here, you'll be able to lead by example - knowing that

you are actually RIGHT will give you some peace of mind and help you to

have the strength to help your step-daughter in whatever ways ARE

possible. She's lucky to have you fighting for her - but be aware that

the medical and psychiatric and even educational insitutions may well

see it a different way. You're right - it's wrong. It shouldn't be

happening, but it is.

Play smart. Play fair. Play for keeps.

Good luck, Joy. Stay strong. J

> Hi ,

> The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

> conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as to

> why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is a

> Political Action group against anything to do with a person being " mentally

> ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

> husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

> his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

> thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

> loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God that

> we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life being

> " so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

>

> Joy

>

> Re: Thanks, you guys are great

>

>

> > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> >

> > PROZACAWARENESS/

> >

> > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> >

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > better, best to all hugs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

An excellent summation. Well-presented, succinct, and calm, cool, and

collected. A keeper: I'm saving this one.

Thanks,

Gold

jonnygee@...

Re: Thanks, you guys are great

Joy, did Tim send you here because you want support in stopping your

husband's ex-wife from giving drugs to your stepdaughter? If I am

understanding this right, that's what you want to accomplish?

We are an action group, but I'm not sure that " political action group "

describes us.....although I suppose that we do write to our

representatives a lot. I would say that we are using the democratic

process - more than that we are " political " .

That being said, how can we help you with the problem you describe? We

have so much information at our fingertips. Do you need written

material to convince someone with? Let us know what you need, and I am

sure we'll be able to BOMBARD you with information supporting your

position on drugging children. Drugging children is about the most

horrible thing there is - and there's a lot of it going on. We are

dead against it, and we can back up our opinions. We can help you back

up YOUR opinions. I think Tim must have had that in mind when he sent

you here.

As for mental illness " not existing " ....I don't think anyone here would

ever say that. Mental illness does indeed exist! Our position is

that:

A) Mental illness is not helped by brain disabling drugs. The outward

symptoms are suppressed, but the illness remains. By not properly

addressing the CAUSES of mental illness, we don't help the person at

all - we just lock them into a drug induced stupor, all by themselves.

By drugging people, especially children and elderly, we isolate them

completely in their pain so that we don't have to deal with it. Worse,

we sentence them to a life of drug addiction and the stigma of having "

a mental problem " .

Mental illness is oversold by the psychiatric profession. I hardly

think there is a person on earth who couldn't be found to be " mentally

ill " by the definitions contained in the Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual (DSM-IV). The DSM is an ever-growing list of " conditions " that

are treatable by DRUGS. It's produced by and for the pharmaceuticals,

and is the bible of psychiatry.

C) Real emotional distress in individuals can be helped in so many ways

without the use of drugs. We call it mental illness, but what does

that really mean? Think about it. It's almost as if by naming it an

illness, an act of God or of Fate or of biology or of genetics, we can

divest ourselves of our responsibilities to our fellow human beings.

This is why people are drugging children. We want to stop the bad

behaviors,the " crazy " actions, the rebellion, the sulkiness, the

inability to concentrate....but we're lazy creatures. It takes a lot

of work, commitment, and adjustment for people to make the real

lifestyle changes necessary to help kids in this toxic, too-fast world.

It takes sacrifice. It might involve the whole family making very

important changes - in diet, in time management, in discipline, in

reward and incentive. In our crazed, materialistic society, we are

letting the kids fall by the wayside. We drug them into submission,

the cruelest of responses. Are parents who fall into this trap evil

people? I don't think so. What is REALLY evil is the people who make

the trap. The pharmaceutical companies, and doctors whose arrogant,

close-minded attitudes perpetuate this horrible state of affairs FOR

MONEY.

D) When we say " disease-mongering " we don't mean that mental illness is

not real or that it should not be treated. We mean that it is UNETHICAL

to prescribe dangerous drugs at a huge profit for life's bumps and

scrapes. It is UNETHICAL to skew clinical trail results and hide

dangerous, life-threatening, health-ruining side effects. It is

UNETHICAL to employ euphemisms like " discontinuation syndrome " for what

has to be the most horrible withdrawal ever seen by mankind. And it

is UNETHICAL for the medical professions to collude in making people

believe that their children have defective brains - when in fact their

little brains are working fine and probably in over-drive.

In a little over a year, SSRI Crusaders and its sister groups have

amassed literally thousands of articles, studies, personal accounts -

anything you ever needed as heavy artillery to fight what is happening

to your stepdaughter. Let us help you.

The bad news is that you may not be able to convince your husband's ex-

wife. This is something you'll do your best with - but the message may

be unpopular......certainly all of us here have had our bad experiences

in this regard. What is important in the end is that in understanding

what is going on here, you'll be able to lead by example - knowing that

you are actually RIGHT will give you some peace of mind and help you to

have the strength to help your step-daughter in whatever ways ARE

possible. She's lucky to have you fighting for her - but be aware that

the medical and psychiatric and even educational insitutions may well

see it a different way. You're right - it's wrong. It shouldn't be

happening, but it is.

Play smart. Play fair. Play for keeps.

Good luck, Joy. Stay strong. J

> Hi ,

> The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

> conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as

to

> why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is

a

> Political Action group against anything to do with a person being

" mentally

> ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

> husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

> his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

> thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

> loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God

that

> we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life

being

> " so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

>

> Joy

>

> Re: Thanks, you guys are great

>

>

> > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> >

> > PROZACAWARENESS/

> >

> > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> >

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > better, best to all hugs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

An excellent summation. Well-presented, succinct, and calm, cool, and

collected. A keeper: I'm saving this one.

Thanks,

Gold

jonnygee@...

Re: Thanks, you guys are great

Joy, did Tim send you here because you want support in stopping your

husband's ex-wife from giving drugs to your stepdaughter? If I am

understanding this right, that's what you want to accomplish?

We are an action group, but I'm not sure that " political action group "

describes us.....although I suppose that we do write to our

representatives a lot. I would say that we are using the democratic

process - more than that we are " political " .

That being said, how can we help you with the problem you describe? We

have so much information at our fingertips. Do you need written

material to convince someone with? Let us know what you need, and I am

sure we'll be able to BOMBARD you with information supporting your

position on drugging children. Drugging children is about the most

horrible thing there is - and there's a lot of it going on. We are

dead against it, and we can back up our opinions. We can help you back

up YOUR opinions. I think Tim must have had that in mind when he sent

you here.

As for mental illness " not existing " ....I don't think anyone here would

ever say that. Mental illness does indeed exist! Our position is

that:

A) Mental illness is not helped by brain disabling drugs. The outward

symptoms are suppressed, but the illness remains. By not properly

addressing the CAUSES of mental illness, we don't help the person at

all - we just lock them into a drug induced stupor, all by themselves.

By drugging people, especially children and elderly, we isolate them

completely in their pain so that we don't have to deal with it. Worse,

we sentence them to a life of drug addiction and the stigma of having "

a mental problem " .

Mental illness is oversold by the psychiatric profession. I hardly

think there is a person on earth who couldn't be found to be " mentally

ill " by the definitions contained in the Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual (DSM-IV). The DSM is an ever-growing list of " conditions " that

are treatable by DRUGS. It's produced by and for the pharmaceuticals,

and is the bible of psychiatry.

C) Real emotional distress in individuals can be helped in so many ways

without the use of drugs. We call it mental illness, but what does

that really mean? Think about it. It's almost as if by naming it an

illness, an act of God or of Fate or of biology or of genetics, we can

divest ourselves of our responsibilities to our fellow human beings.

This is why people are drugging children. We want to stop the bad

behaviors,the " crazy " actions, the rebellion, the sulkiness, the

inability to concentrate....but we're lazy creatures. It takes a lot

of work, commitment, and adjustment for people to make the real

lifestyle changes necessary to help kids in this toxic, too-fast world.

It takes sacrifice. It might involve the whole family making very

important changes - in diet, in time management, in discipline, in

reward and incentive. In our crazed, materialistic society, we are

letting the kids fall by the wayside. We drug them into submission,

the cruelest of responses. Are parents who fall into this trap evil

people? I don't think so. What is REALLY evil is the people who make

the trap. The pharmaceutical companies, and doctors whose arrogant,

close-minded attitudes perpetuate this horrible state of affairs FOR

MONEY.

D) When we say " disease-mongering " we don't mean that mental illness is

not real or that it should not be treated. We mean that it is UNETHICAL

to prescribe dangerous drugs at a huge profit for life's bumps and

scrapes. It is UNETHICAL to skew clinical trail results and hide

dangerous, life-threatening, health-ruining side effects. It is

UNETHICAL to employ euphemisms like " discontinuation syndrome " for what

has to be the most horrible withdrawal ever seen by mankind. And it

is UNETHICAL for the medical professions to collude in making people

believe that their children have defective brains - when in fact their

little brains are working fine and probably in over-drive.

In a little over a year, SSRI Crusaders and its sister groups have

amassed literally thousands of articles, studies, personal accounts -

anything you ever needed as heavy artillery to fight what is happening

to your stepdaughter. Let us help you.

The bad news is that you may not be able to convince your husband's ex-

wife. This is something you'll do your best with - but the message may

be unpopular......certainly all of us here have had our bad experiences

in this regard. What is important in the end is that in understanding

what is going on here, you'll be able to lead by example - knowing that

you are actually RIGHT will give you some peace of mind and help you to

have the strength to help your step-daughter in whatever ways ARE

possible. She's lucky to have you fighting for her - but be aware that

the medical and psychiatric and even educational insitutions may well

see it a different way. You're right - it's wrong. It shouldn't be

happening, but it is.

Play smart. Play fair. Play for keeps.

Good luck, Joy. Stay strong. J

> Hi ,

> The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

> conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as

to

> why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is

a

> Political Action group against anything to do with a person being

" mentally

> ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

> husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

> his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

> thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

> loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God

that

> we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life

being

> " so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

>

> Joy

>

> Re: Thanks, you guys are great

>

>

> > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> >

> > PROZACAWARENESS/

> >

> > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> >

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > better, best to all hugs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

An excellent summation. Well-presented, succinct, and calm, cool, and

collected. A keeper: I'm saving this one.

Thanks,

Gold

jonnygee@...

Re: Thanks, you guys are great

Joy, did Tim send you here because you want support in stopping your

husband's ex-wife from giving drugs to your stepdaughter? If I am

understanding this right, that's what you want to accomplish?

We are an action group, but I'm not sure that " political action group "

describes us.....although I suppose that we do write to our

representatives a lot. I would say that we are using the democratic

process - more than that we are " political " .

That being said, how can we help you with the problem you describe? We

have so much information at our fingertips. Do you need written

material to convince someone with? Let us know what you need, and I am

sure we'll be able to BOMBARD you with information supporting your

position on drugging children. Drugging children is about the most

horrible thing there is - and there's a lot of it going on. We are

dead against it, and we can back up our opinions. We can help you back

up YOUR opinions. I think Tim must have had that in mind when he sent

you here.

As for mental illness " not existing " ....I don't think anyone here would

ever say that. Mental illness does indeed exist! Our position is

that:

A) Mental illness is not helped by brain disabling drugs. The outward

symptoms are suppressed, but the illness remains. By not properly

addressing the CAUSES of mental illness, we don't help the person at

all - we just lock them into a drug induced stupor, all by themselves.

By drugging people, especially children and elderly, we isolate them

completely in their pain so that we don't have to deal with it. Worse,

we sentence them to a life of drug addiction and the stigma of having "

a mental problem " .

Mental illness is oversold by the psychiatric profession. I hardly

think there is a person on earth who couldn't be found to be " mentally

ill " by the definitions contained in the Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual (DSM-IV). The DSM is an ever-growing list of " conditions " that

are treatable by DRUGS. It's produced by and for the pharmaceuticals,

and is the bible of psychiatry.

C) Real emotional distress in individuals can be helped in so many ways

without the use of drugs. We call it mental illness, but what does

that really mean? Think about it. It's almost as if by naming it an

illness, an act of God or of Fate or of biology or of genetics, we can

divest ourselves of our responsibilities to our fellow human beings.

This is why people are drugging children. We want to stop the bad

behaviors,the " crazy " actions, the rebellion, the sulkiness, the

inability to concentrate....but we're lazy creatures. It takes a lot

of work, commitment, and adjustment for people to make the real

lifestyle changes necessary to help kids in this toxic, too-fast world.

It takes sacrifice. It might involve the whole family making very

important changes - in diet, in time management, in discipline, in

reward and incentive. In our crazed, materialistic society, we are

letting the kids fall by the wayside. We drug them into submission,

the cruelest of responses. Are parents who fall into this trap evil

people? I don't think so. What is REALLY evil is the people who make

the trap. The pharmaceutical companies, and doctors whose arrogant,

close-minded attitudes perpetuate this horrible state of affairs FOR

MONEY.

D) When we say " disease-mongering " we don't mean that mental illness is

not real or that it should not be treated. We mean that it is UNETHICAL

to prescribe dangerous drugs at a huge profit for life's bumps and

scrapes. It is UNETHICAL to skew clinical trail results and hide

dangerous, life-threatening, health-ruining side effects. It is

UNETHICAL to employ euphemisms like " discontinuation syndrome " for what

has to be the most horrible withdrawal ever seen by mankind. And it

is UNETHICAL for the medical professions to collude in making people

believe that their children have defective brains - when in fact their

little brains are working fine and probably in over-drive.

In a little over a year, SSRI Crusaders and its sister groups have

amassed literally thousands of articles, studies, personal accounts -

anything you ever needed as heavy artillery to fight what is happening

to your stepdaughter. Let us help you.

The bad news is that you may not be able to convince your husband's ex-

wife. This is something you'll do your best with - but the message may

be unpopular......certainly all of us here have had our bad experiences

in this regard. What is important in the end is that in understanding

what is going on here, you'll be able to lead by example - knowing that

you are actually RIGHT will give you some peace of mind and help you to

have the strength to help your step-daughter in whatever ways ARE

possible. She's lucky to have you fighting for her - but be aware that

the medical and psychiatric and even educational insitutions may well

see it a different way. You're right - it's wrong. It shouldn't be

happening, but it is.

Play smart. Play fair. Play for keeps.

Good luck, Joy. Stay strong. J

> Hi ,

> The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

> conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as

to

> why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is

a

> Political Action group against anything to do with a person being

" mentally

> ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

> husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

> his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

> thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

> loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God

that

> we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life

being

> " so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

>

> Joy

>

> Re: Thanks, you guys are great

>

>

> > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> >

> > PROZACAWARENESS/

> >

> > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> >

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > better, best to all hugs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

An excellent summation. Well-presented, succinct, and calm, cool, and

collected. A keeper: I'm saving this one.

Thanks,

Gold

jonnygee@...

Re: Thanks, you guys are great

Joy, did Tim send you here because you want support in stopping your

husband's ex-wife from giving drugs to your stepdaughter? If I am

understanding this right, that's what you want to accomplish?

We are an action group, but I'm not sure that " political action group "

describes us.....although I suppose that we do write to our

representatives a lot. I would say that we are using the democratic

process - more than that we are " political " .

That being said, how can we help you with the problem you describe? We

have so much information at our fingertips. Do you need written

material to convince someone with? Let us know what you need, and I am

sure we'll be able to BOMBARD you with information supporting your

position on drugging children. Drugging children is about the most

horrible thing there is - and there's a lot of it going on. We are

dead against it, and we can back up our opinions. We can help you back

up YOUR opinions. I think Tim must have had that in mind when he sent

you here.

As for mental illness " not existing " ....I don't think anyone here would

ever say that. Mental illness does indeed exist! Our position is

that:

A) Mental illness is not helped by brain disabling drugs. The outward

symptoms are suppressed, but the illness remains. By not properly

addressing the CAUSES of mental illness, we don't help the person at

all - we just lock them into a drug induced stupor, all by themselves.

By drugging people, especially children and elderly, we isolate them

completely in their pain so that we don't have to deal with it. Worse,

we sentence them to a life of drug addiction and the stigma of having "

a mental problem " .

Mental illness is oversold by the psychiatric profession. I hardly

think there is a person on earth who couldn't be found to be " mentally

ill " by the definitions contained in the Diagnostic and Statistical

Manual (DSM-IV). The DSM is an ever-growing list of " conditions " that

are treatable by DRUGS. It's produced by and for the pharmaceuticals,

and is the bible of psychiatry.

C) Real emotional distress in individuals can be helped in so many ways

without the use of drugs. We call it mental illness, but what does

that really mean? Think about it. It's almost as if by naming it an

illness, an act of God or of Fate or of biology or of genetics, we can

divest ourselves of our responsibilities to our fellow human beings.

This is why people are drugging children. We want to stop the bad

behaviors,the " crazy " actions, the rebellion, the sulkiness, the

inability to concentrate....but we're lazy creatures. It takes a lot

of work, commitment, and adjustment for people to make the real

lifestyle changes necessary to help kids in this toxic, too-fast world.

It takes sacrifice. It might involve the whole family making very

important changes - in diet, in time management, in discipline, in

reward and incentive. In our crazed, materialistic society, we are

letting the kids fall by the wayside. We drug them into submission,

the cruelest of responses. Are parents who fall into this trap evil

people? I don't think so. What is REALLY evil is the people who make

the trap. The pharmaceutical companies, and doctors whose arrogant,

close-minded attitudes perpetuate this horrible state of affairs FOR

MONEY.

D) When we say " disease-mongering " we don't mean that mental illness is

not real or that it should not be treated. We mean that it is UNETHICAL

to prescribe dangerous drugs at a huge profit for life's bumps and

scrapes. It is UNETHICAL to skew clinical trail results and hide

dangerous, life-threatening, health-ruining side effects. It is

UNETHICAL to employ euphemisms like " discontinuation syndrome " for what

has to be the most horrible withdrawal ever seen by mankind. And it

is UNETHICAL for the medical professions to collude in making people

believe that their children have defective brains - when in fact their

little brains are working fine and probably in over-drive.

In a little over a year, SSRI Crusaders and its sister groups have

amassed literally thousands of articles, studies, personal accounts -

anything you ever needed as heavy artillery to fight what is happening

to your stepdaughter. Let us help you.

The bad news is that you may not be able to convince your husband's ex-

wife. This is something you'll do your best with - but the message may

be unpopular......certainly all of us here have had our bad experiences

in this regard. What is important in the end is that in understanding

what is going on here, you'll be able to lead by example - knowing that

you are actually RIGHT will give you some peace of mind and help you to

have the strength to help your step-daughter in whatever ways ARE

possible. She's lucky to have you fighting for her - but be aware that

the medical and psychiatric and even educational insitutions may well

see it a different way. You're right - it's wrong. It shouldn't be

happening, but it is.

Play smart. Play fair. Play for keeps.

Good luck, Joy. Stay strong. J

> Hi ,

> The reason Paige " seems so angry " , (and I'm sure that you saying that was

> conforting to her), is probably the same reason I am totally confused as

to

> why some guy named Tim strongly suggested this group to me. This group is

a

> Political Action group against anything to do with a person being

" mentally

> ill " , being that " mental illness " does not exist, right? Wrong! My

> husband's ex is certifiably insane, aka " mentally ill " , she is poisoning

> his nine year-old daughter's body with drugs and her mind with lies. Tim

> thought this was the place for me to find support. I disagree, if your

> loved one is already dead, this is the place to be. I'm praying to God

that

> we can save my stepdaughter, and I will not spend the rest of my life

being

> " so angry " and someone that is truly crazy.

>

> Joy

>

> Re: Thanks, you guys are great

>

>

> > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> >

> > PROZACAWARENESS/

> >

> > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> >

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > better, best to all hugs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jamo,

Yes, someone on here thinks mental illness does not exist, he is Prior,

who seems to have one heck of a lot of time on his hands to write really

long posts. Tim directed me here for " a wealth of information " , I was

really hoping that it would be facts, because that is what we need in court,

not generalized fanaticism. The court is not concerned with " all children "

unfortunately, they are only going to hear OUR CASE, so that is what we have

to stick to, that OUR child should not be taking these dangerous drugs, and

if a doctor said the drugs were an option, then it as also an option not to

drug her. Anyhow, part of the mother's deposition was yesterday (we ran out

of time), she came off sounding like the loon that she is, she is taking

Lexapro and Serazone. God forgive me, but maybe she will OD and K will be

spared any more of this abuse.Rest assured, I don't drink Pepsi, (or any

soda) so I will not be supporting them, also, I do not shop at Burlington

Coat Factory because of them using cat and dog fur on some of their coats.

Joy

Re: Thanks, you guys are great

> >

> >

> > > , you spoke with feeling and confidence. Thanks, i read this

> > > group everyday and pray for the wonderful work you ALL are doing. By

> > > the way honey, Charly and Ramo just got engaged, not married yet, lol

> > > Those of us who write to them are chomping at the bit as to when the

> > > big day will happen... Your note to Paige with the suggestion for her

> > > to visit other groups was right in the mark. I want to add our group

> > > PROZACAWARENESS to Paige's options...

> > >

> > > PROZACAWARENESS/

> > >

> > > and here is the URL for Jim's site ..... prozactruth

> > >

> > > prozactruth/

> > >

> > > We need all these groups, ALL of them, and the help is out there if

> > > you are able to navigate the net... Paige, you seem so angry, please

> > > do not feel that toward these wonderful folks, they have all been

> > > where you are now, many have lost family to these drugs and their

> > > plight now will in time save many hundreds of thousands from

> > > suffering what is happening to you right now. I read the posts on

> > > Prozactruth each day and am a moderator on PROZACAWARENESS. Visit one

> > > of these groups and there you can get info you may use to help feel

> > > better, best to all hugs

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >