vaccines

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Listen , i have just recently connected the

vaccines to these disorders, so i'm still in the

process of gathering information. What i need you to

do please is remember my email address and give it to

ANYONE that may have something to contribute to this

discovery. I'm not a scientist or a doctor, heck i

can't even spell right, but my personal theory is that

these immunizations are causing 99.9% of ALL

illnesses. If they aren't causing they are at least

MAJOR contributors! Your right to distrust your doc.

If i were you i would stop the vaccines and

antibiotics and get to your local health food store

and buy some accidolphus and start your child on it.

You are doing more damage to the GI tract and the body

with their trash they call medicine. DON'T TRUST THEM.

That's my take on the matter. Also, fire your doc

immediatly and go to acam.org and find an

orthomolecular doc. I have found that these guys may

not know all either, but they arn't quite so inclined

to kill a person. Please , don't forget my

email address. Pass what you have learned on and tell

people to email me. I NEED TO KNOW! I can only cover

so many of the groups on here to talk to people, so i

need you to help. I need everyone to help. There are a

lot of moms who will be able to find a little peace by

knowing what happened to their babies, right after

they scream, punch and beat themselves up over it. SO,

please help me.

Don't forget the accidolphus and please build your

childs immune system up with mega doses of C. There

are many things you can do naturally to help your

baby.

FACT, the flu vaccine contains mercury. One of the

main culprits causing all the problems such as

depression, add, adhd, and or full blown pschyosis.

Your friend,

Connie

--- <mkfralick@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Hi All,

I appreciate this discussion as my daughter has a 4 in

a million birth defect with questionable splenic

function and part of her " treatment " is xtra vaccines

and daily antibiotic prophylactics, " just in case " her

spleens are not functional.

Prior to her birth last year, I had already developed

a distrust for doctor's advice and all things

pharmaceutical after my husband's SSRI experience put

us all through living hell. And now I have specialists

telling me to make sure my whole familiy gets flu

shots for our daughter's safety.

So any opinions, experiences or information on vaccine

safety or even long term daily antibiotic use is of

great interest to me. Thanks...it's so nice to know

there are so many others who feel as sick over all

this as I do.

Mel

Re: Vaccines

In a message dated 8/7/04 5:03:25 AM Mountain

Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

>

> I, personally, am not opposed to vaccinations in

general.....at this

> point. But I am very opposed to putting

neurotoxins in vaccines given

> to anyone, not just children.

>

I don't think we can trust out gov to tell us what

is REALLY in those

vaccines. I'm reading stuff here and there about

microchips along WITH the mercury.

Sheesh. I haven't had any vaccines for 30 years.

I've never had a flu shot,

and hence have never had the flu. Everyone I know

who got the flu shot in last

year's epidemic got sick. But not me. I have one

friend who's child was

severely brain injured by vaccinations. If I had

small children now I would never

get them vaccinated, but that's just me.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

Latest Press Release

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[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Listen , i have just recently connected the

vaccines to these disorders, so i'm still in the

process of gathering information. What i need you to

do please is remember my email address and give it to

ANYONE that may have something to contribute to this

discovery. I'm not a scientist or a doctor, heck i

can't even spell right, but my personal theory is that

these immunizations are causing 99.9% of ALL

illnesses. If they aren't causing they are at least

MAJOR contributors! Your right to distrust your doc.

If i were you i would stop the vaccines and

antibiotics and get to your local health food store

and buy some accidolphus and start your child on it.

You are doing more damage to the GI tract and the body

with their trash they call medicine. DON'T TRUST THEM.

That's my take on the matter. Also, fire your doc

immediatly and go to acam.org and find an

orthomolecular doc. I have found that these guys may

not know all either, but they arn't quite so inclined

to kill a person. Please , don't forget my

email address. Pass what you have learned on and tell

people to email me. I NEED TO KNOW! I can only cover

so many of the groups on here to talk to people, so i

need you to help. I need everyone to help. There are a

lot of moms who will be able to find a little peace by

knowing what happened to their babies, right after

they scream, punch and beat themselves up over it. SO,

please help me.

Don't forget the accidolphus and please build your

childs immune system up with mega doses of C. There

are many things you can do naturally to help your

baby.

FACT, the flu vaccine contains mercury. One of the

main culprits causing all the problems such as

depression, add, adhd, and or full blown pschyosis.

Your friend,

Connie

--- <mkfralick@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Hi All,

I appreciate this discussion as my daughter has a 4 in

a million birth defect with questionable splenic

function and part of her " treatment " is xtra vaccines

and daily antibiotic prophylactics, " just in case " her

spleens are not functional.

Prior to her birth last year, I had already developed

a distrust for doctor's advice and all things

pharmaceutical after my husband's SSRI experience put

us all through living hell. And now I have specialists

telling me to make sure my whole familiy gets flu

shots for our daughter's safety.

So any opinions, experiences or information on vaccine

safety or even long term daily antibiotic use is of

great interest to me. Thanks...it's so nice to know

there are so many others who feel as sick over all

this as I do.

Mel

Re: Vaccines

In a message dated 8/7/04 5:03:25 AM Mountain

Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

>

> I, personally, am not opposed to vaccinations in

general.....at this

> point. But I am very opposed to putting

neurotoxins in vaccines given

> to anyone, not just children.

>

I don't think we can trust out gov to tell us what

is REALLY in those

vaccines. I'm reading stuff here and there about

microchips along WITH the mercury.

Sheesh. I haven't had any vaccines for 30 years.

I've never had a flu shot,

and hence have never had the flu. Everyone I know

who got the flu shot in last

year's epidemic got sick. But not me. I have one

friend who's child was

severely brain injured by vaccinations. If I had

small children now I would never

get them vaccinated, but that's just me.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

Latest Press Release

[Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

[Guest guest]

Hi Rabecca,

What you sent is interesting. We have wondered over the years whether my son, Marty's, DPT vaccination caused his seizures, as they say 1 in 300,000 cases of the Pertussis vaccine can cause the uncontrolled seizures like he has had now all of his life.

I am so sorry that your son died, do they think it was from his shots? I know SIDS is a very scary thing, something all mothers worry so about, I once had a little niece die from it, and it was awful for the family to go through at the time.

I am a little concerned that my grandson, Lucas, as he will start his shots soon, will be 2 months old on the 27th. But with us I am glad to say, we have the Peace of God. Both my grandchildren, Sierra, and , had all their shots, and I prayed about it, and I just got Peace about it.

Because it is just too hard to worry about everything, and to live in torment about what might or might not happen, so many things we have no control over anyway. Just this last week when I took down to playschool, they had to see the little yellow card with his shot record on it, and make a copy for the files. Last year when I showed it to them, he had to go and get one more shot.

They won't let kids go to school without them these days. Anyway when I was little I had the real bad measles, and was sick for a long time and missed a lot of school, some kids lost their ability to hear and see with it, and I had whooping cough too, and mom said I almost died. I was the only one in the family who had to have my tonsils out because I had infection all the time.

So what we gonna do? Darned if we do, and darned if we don't, but I know one thing, I don't want to live by fear, so I give it to the Lord. And He gave me Peace, His Peace that passeth understanding.

Oh yes, my other three kids had all their shots also, and didn't get seizures, it was kind of scary because they do ask you if anybody in your family has them.

Well anyway I send my love to all of you today, we are waiting for the Oregon Ducks to play the Oklahoma Sooners on t.v. in a little while. I am really nervous because they are rated to win by three touchdowns. But you never know!

We beat Michigan last year! Miracles happen!

Carolyn, a rabid Oregon Duck, quack, quack, quack.

vaccines

Hi guys,

This was forwarded to me, and I realize that all their information comes from the same website… Yet, it was forwarded by an acquaintance that doesn’t even know about my son , or that I have found other information consistent with some provided here on other sites. My son died at 3 months 2 days old, only a couple days after receiving his vaccinations. His death was deemed SIDS, which is what they call every baby’s death they can’t determine a cause for… He would now be 15 years old had he lived… My living son Tyler has Asperger’s Syndrome, which is similar to high functioning autism. It is said that some children genetically react more severely to vaccinations than to others, and some also have a higher sensitivity to the mercury that the vaccines are cultured in. Even with my history, I am not advocating lack of vaccines. Instead, I would like to see more studies done, vaccines containing mercury banned, and if future studies show a strong correlation between autism, SIDS, and vaccinations if done prior to one year of age, that the vaccination schedule should be pushed back.

This really struck a cord… so now I pass it on to you… Do with it what you will!

Rabecca

[Guest guest]

..... I probably shouldn't hop in but I can't help myself. So, maybe

the kids who show no signs after chelation, never had autims at

all .. just mercury poisoning ... from a combination of vaccinations

and environmental issues ... one cannot scientifically rule out that

mercury in vaccinations, for some persons, causes adverse reactions -

call it whatever the hell you want.

And, by the way, my son is not a " freak of nature. " He's a complete

joy and gift to me. I wouldn't change him for all the tea in China,

but I will find out if he has toxic levels of mercury in his body and

if I can rid him of it. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just doing

what's best for the health of my child ...

I think you need some therapy leaving such a nasty message with a

group of caring loving parents who only want the best for their

children ...

So, why don't you just go eat some meat and potatoes. hahahaha

sorry! Couldn't resist.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

..... I probably shouldn't hop in but I can't help myself. So, maybe

the kids who show no signs after chelation, never had autims at

all .. just mercury poisoning ... from a combination of vaccinations

and environmental issues ... one cannot scientifically rule out that

mercury in vaccinations, for some persons, causes adverse reactions -

call it whatever the hell you want.

And, by the way, my son is not a " freak of nature. " He's a complete

joy and gift to me. I wouldn't change him for all the tea in China,

but I will find out if he has toxic levels of mercury in his body and

if I can rid him of it. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just doing

what's best for the health of my child ...

I think you need some therapy leaving such a nasty message with a

group of caring loving parents who only want the best for their

children ...

So, why don't you just go eat some meat and potatoes. hahahaha

sorry! Couldn't resist.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Fortunately, this has never been an issue for us. Louie had his DPT at

6 weeks (I think), but I was already aware that there was something

going on with him. He never had the MMR because he had the diseases

instead, which gave him (along with itchy bumps and a lumpy face) a

natural immunity thereafter. Same with chicken pox. I think he had a

tetanus shot when he was 12, but I forget why (who can remember every

bump and injury their kid has had?? Not I!).

Autism is genetic, I am convinced. And those kids who begin to show the

behaviors of autism post-vaccine fall into one of two camps. Either

they were autistic already and coincidentally evinced their autism at

the time the MMR is given (around 2, right?), or they are not now nor

never were autistic but have developed autistic symptomology because of

a sensitivity/allergy to the MMR or something contained within it (not

necessarily thimerosol). It's hard to pick out autism in a young young

child, 2 or less in age. The only reason I was able to was because I'd

read a lot about it (the subject fascinated me, and still does) and

because I come from a huge family and so had experience with all kindsa

babies.

I think a lot of research funding being put into looking at vaccines and

autism would be better spent in educating the world-at-large about

autistic people and their worth. It would be better spent, too, on good

special ed programs focussed specifically on spectrum kids and helping

them develop the coping mechanisms necessary to get along in a world

that does not understand them at all. And it would be better spent in

developing job placement/training programs focussed specifically on

spectrum young adults and adults, as well as on courses for these folks

on how to do, say, a bank account, and any of the other things it takes

to live on one's own.

But that's just me. ymmv

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

The only nice thing about being imperfect is the joy it brings to

others. -- Doug Larson

[Guest guest]

Hi Annie:

I can appreciate the idea that you are putting forth that maybe the

money is not being funneled appropriately. However, before

venturing down that path, I think we would have to have hard numbers

in front of us to see how much money is really being spent looking

at vaccinations vs. the other topics you discuss.

You see, since all this conversation about vaccinations is so

forward on our minds, it might be real easy to think that tons of

money is being poured into it when maybe there really is not.

I agree, we need a better educated public. I am very open about my

son's autism. Whenever I have the opportunity of catching someones

interest, I always use it as a teaching opportunity.

My wife and I are very involved in the local autism community and we

are very vocal. Point is we are big proponents of exactly what you

suggest.

I would like you to consider something. Isn't it possible that

while searching through genes and finding strains of mice that react

like ASDs when they are injected with Thimerosal that somewhere in

there they might just unlock a genetic mystery? I'm not saying that

they will find the answer as to how thimerosal did the damage. I'm

just hoping that they will find out how to prevent it in the future

so that maybe my grandchildren, great grandchildren and so forth may

not have to develop the symptoms even if they carry the genetic

markers. Because, I truly believe that if the genetics are there,

which I believe they are in my family and my wifes family, therre is

probably more than just thimerosal and/or vaccines and maybe even

not thimerosal or vaccines out there that can pull the trigger on my

proginy.

So, yes, I want the best for my children now, today. I also want

the research to continue for all of our futures.

Live for today. Plan for tomorrow.

I hope I have presented this in a balanced and non-argumentative

light.

Thanks for listening,

Mike

> Fortunately, this has never been an issue for us. Louie had his

DPT at

> 6 weeks (I think), but I was already aware that there was

something

> going on with him. He never had the MMR because he had the

diseases

> instead, which gave him (along with itchy bumps and a lumpy face)

a

> natural immunity thereafter. Same with chicken pox. I think he

had a

> tetanus shot when he was 12, but I forget why (who can remember

every

> bump and injury their kid has had?? Not I!).

>

> Autism is genetic, I am convinced. And those kids who begin to

show the

> behaviors of autism post-vaccine fall into one of two camps.

Either

> they were autistic already and coincidentally evinced their autism

at

> the time the MMR is given (around 2, right?), or they are not now

nor

> never were autistic but have developed autistic symptomology

because of

> a sensitivity/allergy to the MMR or something contained within it

(not

> necessarily thimerosol). It's hard to pick out autism in a young

young

> child, 2 or less in age. The only reason I was able to was

because I'd

> read a lot about it (the subject fascinated me, and still does)

and

> because I come from a huge family and so had experience with all

kindsa

> babies.

>

> I think a lot of research funding being put into looking at

vaccines and

> autism would be better spent in educating the world-at-large about

> autistic people and their worth. It would be better spent, too,

on good

> special ed programs focussed specifically on spectrum kids and

helping

> them develop the coping mechanisms necessary to get along in a

world

> that does not understand them at all. And it would be better

spent in

> developing job placement/training programs focussed specifically

on

> spectrum young adults and adults, as well as on courses for these

folks

> on how to do, say, a bank account, and any of the other things it

takes

> to live on one's own.

>

> But that's just me. ymmv

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@r...

> --

> The only nice thing about being imperfect is the joy it brings to

> others. -- Doug Larson

[Guest guest]

Meat N. Taters wrote:

> The vaccine theory has been mostly discredited with almost all

> reputable medical people. It is a case of mass hysteria/old wives

> tales/feminine irrationality and emotion rolled into one. Is it %100

> wrong? No. Nothing is. But, in fact, there are some studies that

> suggest vaccines actually help (ON NO!!! HORRORS) with autism/as.

> This is old news. Stop blaming vaccines for your kids' disabilities.

> Maybe you should blame God instead.

>

> Meat N. Taters

>

Um, in the years I've spent on this and other lists, it's become

increasingly obvious that when irrationality in the form of denial shows

up, it's generally men who are feeling it. Feminine irrationality

itself is an old wives tale. As an old wife, I can assure you of that.

Funny you should mention that last thing. Our pastor talked about God

and disabilities in his sermon just this past Saturday. Thing is,

blaming God for a disability is just setting yourself up for

frustration. His take on it, with which I agree, was that when a

disability happens, whether it be to an adult or to a child, it is

actually an opportunity to work to God's glory. IOW, in how you deal

with that disability, rise above it, become comfortable with it,

whatever, that speaks directly to the human spirit and God at work in

that person's life. God does not cause disability. God might allow

them to happen, but God does not cause them. That would be entirely

opposite God's nature. I've never once blamed God for our son's autism,

but I've asked God more than once for help for us and for our son to

deal with it, and to cope with the world's reaction to him because of

it. Two vastly different things in my book.

Oh, yeah, and one more thing. I recognize trolling when I see it. " You

have no power here! Off with you, before someone drops a house on you! "

to quote a certain Good Witch. Go crawl back under your bridge.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

__

The only nice thing about being imperfect is the joy it brings to

others. -- Doug Larson

[Guest guest]

Well said Annie!

>

> Oh, yeah, and one more thing. I recognize trolling when I see it. " You

> have no power here! Off with you, before someone drops a house on you! "

> to quote a certain Good Witch. Go crawl back under your bridge.

>

in England

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/04 5:34:57 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> BUT the fact is,

> THIS TRASH CAUSES BRAIN AND IMMUNE SYSTEM DAMAGE. Two

> important body functions that if compromised, can lead

> to all kinds of mental and pschycal (?) disorders and

> we are all getting them. How healthy or unhealthy the

> body is will all depend on the severity of the effect.

>

I'm sure that your theory is, in part, correct, but there are so many other

things -- like Lariam -- that cause the same problems. I see the big push for

flu vaccine is on with them saying that this is the worst flu YET. Well, I've

never had a flu shot and I've never had the flu. The only people I know who

ever got the flu had the shot.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/04 5:34:57 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> BUT the fact is,

> THIS TRASH CAUSES BRAIN AND IMMUNE SYSTEM DAMAGE. Two

> important body functions that if compromised, can lead

> to all kinds of mental and pschycal (?) disorders and

> we are all getting them. How healthy or unhealthy the

> body is will all depend on the severity of the effect.

>

I'm sure that your theory is, in part, correct, but there are so many other

things -- like Lariam -- that cause the same problems. I see the big push for

flu vaccine is on with them saying that this is the worst flu YET. Well, I've

never had a flu shot and I've never had the flu. The only people I know who

ever got the flu had the shot.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

Glitter,

> BUT the fact is,

> THIS TRASH CAUSES BRAIN AND IMMUNE SYSTEM DAMAGE.

Two

> important body functions that if compromised, can

lead

> to all kinds of mental and pschycal (?) disorders

and

> we are all getting them. How healthy or unhealthy

the

> body is will all depend on the severity of the

effect.

>

I'm sure that your theory is, in part, correct, but

there are so many other

things -- like Lariam -- that cause the same problems.

I see the big push for

flu vaccine is on with them saying that this is the

worst flu YET. Well, I've

never had a flu shot and I've never had the flu. The

only people I know who

ever got the flu had the shot.

THEIR PUSHING IT ALRIGHT. JUST ANOTHER MOVE TO INDUCE

DISEASE THEY CAN TREAT WITH PSCHYCIATRIC AND OTHER

DRUGS. THESE FLU VACCINES ARE PRESERVED WITH

THERMOSOL. THERMOSOL IS MAINLY THE CAUSE OF

NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS LIKE ADD/ADHD/AUTISM. NOT TO

MENTION THE BLOW IT IS TO THE IMMUNE SYSTEM, WHICH

COULD EXPLAIN WHY THOSE THAT HAVE HAD THE FLU SHOT

HAVE HAD THE FLU. THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM HAS BEEN

COMPROMISED BY THE VACCINES.

A LADY NOT TO FAR FROM ME GOT OFF ON AN INSANITY PLEA

AFTER SHE KILLED HER 2 GIRLS. HER HUSBAND SAID THAT

SHE STARTED ACTING BIZARRE AFTER THE FLU VACCINE SHE

RECEIVED. OF COURSE NOW SHE IS PROBABLY IN SOME PSCHY

WARD BEING DRUGGED INTO OBLIVION.

CONNIE

[Guest guest]

Glitter,

> BUT the fact is,

> THIS TRASH CAUSES BRAIN AND IMMUNE SYSTEM DAMAGE.

Two

> important body functions that if compromised, can

lead

> to all kinds of mental and pschycal (?) disorders

and

> we are all getting them. How healthy or unhealthy

the

> body is will all depend on the severity of the

effect.

>

I'm sure that your theory is, in part, correct, but

there are so many other

things -- like Lariam -- that cause the same problems.

I see the big push for

flu vaccine is on with them saying that this is the

worst flu YET. Well, I've

never had a flu shot and I've never had the flu. The

only people I know who

ever got the flu had the shot.

THEIR PUSHING IT ALRIGHT. JUST ANOTHER MOVE TO INDUCE

DISEASE THEY CAN TREAT WITH PSCHYCIATRIC AND OTHER

DRUGS. THESE FLU VACCINES ARE PRESERVED WITH

THERMOSOL. THERMOSOL IS MAINLY THE CAUSE OF

NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS LIKE ADD/ADHD/AUTISM. NOT TO

MENTION THE BLOW IT IS TO THE IMMUNE SYSTEM, WHICH

COULD EXPLAIN WHY THOSE THAT HAVE HAD THE FLU SHOT

HAVE HAD THE FLU. THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM HAS BEEN

COMPROMISED BY THE VACCINES.

A LADY NOT TO FAR FROM ME GOT OFF ON AN INSANITY PLEA

AFTER SHE KILLED HER 2 GIRLS. HER HUSBAND SAID THAT

SHE STARTED ACTING BIZARRE AFTER THE FLU VACCINE SHE

RECEIVED. OF COURSE NOW SHE IS PROBABLY IN SOME PSCHY

WARD BEING DRUGGED INTO OBLIVION.

CONNIE

[Guest guest]

A friend just sent this to me so thought I'd post it again

for those new on the list:

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[Guest guest]

I do not believe there is a site to check lot numbers.

But you can check if the brand and type has Thimerosal.

at www.nomercury.org scroll to bottom of home page.

I have some autism related vaccine links at

asd_solutions/links

If you happen upon a lot number site please Email me ASAP.

The drug companies have pretty much locked down the hot lot info as

well, so if you stumble on a source let us all know. Full strength

Thimerosal is still in the Flu shot and was never really banned just

reduced. This happened in 1999 but those shots were given out well

into 2002. There are studies even being done that even trace amounts

being dangerous to certain subgroups of kids.

http://www.evidenceofharm.com/preferredpoison.htm

Blessings

>

> Hello. Me again with another question. I need to find out if there

is

> a site that I can go to and check if the vaccines that my son

> received had Themerisol in them. I have all of the lot numbers for

> his vaccines, but don't know where to look. All of the sites list

the

> ingredients, but they are all updated. He got his shots from 2001-

> 2002. I don't need the ingredients for 2005.

[Guest guest]

Thanks this is a great article, and I agree completely. I don't

vaccinate, although I did at first when My kids were really young.SInce

that time the amount of vaccines given has increased quite abit. Just

another money maker for the drug makers and doctors gving them. GIna

Tangerineburton@... wrote:

>

> I thought everyone might be interested in this. It is from a newsletter

> from

> Donna Gates who wrote Body Ecology. I am not promoting her diet, just

> passing

> along this info. Tangerine

>

> Vaccines, Mercury, Autism and Pending Legislation

>

> Free Your Mind From the Vaccine ParadigmWhen we give government the

> power to

> make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state

> owns our

> bodies.--U.S. Representative Ron , MD Imagine the impact it would

> have on

> your family if the pharmaceutical industry knew it was immune from

> lawsuits.

> It could then cut corners on the safety of it's products. Currently your

> state

> government has the power to determine if a vaccine is safe. For example,

> If it

> were to decide that vaccines containing mercury were not safe, it could

> create a law to prevent its use. However, if U.S. Senate Bill 3 passes,

> that right

> will disappear. Other rights including your right to sue pharmaceutical

> companies for appropriate amounts will also be reduced or eliminated.

> U.S. Senate

> Bill 3, cleverly disguised as the " Protecting America in the War on

> Terror Act

> of 2005 " [1] contains a section that will essentially remove any

> existing and

> future state regulations of vaccine ingredients. This section, section

> 126 [2],

> is on the surface an attempt to ensure standardization of vaccines in the

> event of a bio-terrorist attack, but underneath promises added profits

> for the

> pharmaceutical and mercury-related industries, and the potential of

> debilitating

> and possibly life-threatening consequences for our children.

>

> Organizations such as NoMercury.org [3], Mercola.com [4] and Body

> Ecology [5]

> have been on the front line educating the public about the hazards of

> mercury

> preservatives in vaccines. Notable effects are the appearance of autism,

> ADD

> and language disorders within days or weeks after receiving a

> vaccination. The

> industries producing mercury products and byproducts are in favor of the

> type

> of legislation covered in the bill [6], because preparation of safe

> vaccines

> without mercury and clean up of the waste products is quite expensive.

>

> Body Ecology believes that vaccines for infants and children, however well

> meaning, can damage their young developing immune systems. Adding a proven

> neurotoxin such as mercury only magnifies the potential damage. You can

> no longer

> find a doctor who questions the hazards to the developing fetus when the

> mother

> eats fish contaminated with mercury, yet some would defend vaccines with

> mercury-laden preservatives added that are then injected directly into

> the child's

> system. Body Ecology's stance is simple: it is not enough to prove that

> something is not harmful; if it is not a normal part of our personal

> biology, it

> must be proven safe. Vaccines, especially those with mercury, have not

> passed

> this test.

>

>

> Donna's comments: Vaccines for infants and very young children go against

> the laws of Nature. Nature vaccinates us by establishing a microbial inner

> ecosystem in our intestines at birth. Colostrum and breast milk contains

> immunoglobulins and antibodies from the mother that also protect the

> young child.

> Vaccines were originally given to much older children...about ten..and

> those

> children belonged to a generation that was much more hardy than today's

> infant.

> Out of everything bad there always comes some good. There is now a

> tremendous

> fear among parents about vaccinations because of the escalating number of

> children with autism. Many children who are born normal regress into

> autism after

> the measles, mumps and Rubella vaccine given around 15 - 18 months.

> Parents of

> these children have fought bravely demanding that the mercury in

> vaccines be

> removed. However, the average American mother and father is still led to

> believe

> that their child is in danger if they are not vaccinated at birth.

>

> While the vaccinations do not cause autism they can be the proverbial

> " straw

> that broke the camels back. "

>

> No one should be vaccinated until they have a strong immune system and

> no one

> should be immunized when ill. Children coming in to our world today do not

> fit the criteria to be vaccinated. Our mission at Body Ecology is to

> teach the

> world about the importance of establishing a healthy inner ecosystem and,

> therefore, a strong hardy immune system. In this way we can live safely

> in a world

> that we share with pathogenic organisms.

>

> STATUSThe bill has been read twice by the Senate and has been sent to the

> Senate Finance Committee for a review, which is pending[7]. What You Can

> DoThe

> most immediate action you can take is to contact your representatives. The

> easiest way is to go to the NoMercury.org site at

> http://www.nomercury.org/ and

> utilize their " Write Your Legislators " and " Write To Congress " links on

> the right

> of their page.

>

> Don Rechtman, CBE

>

> March 1, 2005

>

> [1]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.3 [2]

> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./temp/~c109HuS6zj:e40984

> [3]http://www.nomercury.org/

> [4]http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/23/mercury_lies.htm [5]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would not vaccinate if my T-cell count were that low, I don't

vaccinate and my T-cell count if normal. You have not lost it, you have

made a smart choice. What are you doing to help your immune system get

stronger? My brother in law is having much sucess with some new advanced

supplements. He brought his T-cell from below 50 to 264, doctors said he

was going to die with a case of pneumonia he had in July, he took

massive amounts of supplements had massive candida dieoff, that was bad,

but recovered and was out of hospital in 5 days. Now they have tested

him twice and cannot find the aids virus? He has had full blown aids for

17 years. He has to go in for a third time because they just think

something is wrong with the tests, but I think its gone. Anyway you

should be supporting your body like he did.

J Purcell wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I've routinely refused the Hep B & C vaccines at the clinic. Have I lost

> it? I just figure I dont need them. I also have refused flu-shot during

> flu season and so far havent come down with it. I guess my immune system

> is working well after all...even though my t-cells were under 100 last

> lab.

>

> paul

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

wow,.......he tests hiv 'neg' now? Interesting. I wondered if it would be

a waste of time to check for hiv antibodies again when my t-cells get

near normal range. For candida/yeast I take GSE, (grapefruitseed extract)

- put drops in my drinking water....havnt had any candida or thrush

flare-ups for some time. Doing well for the most part. Anxious to see my

lab work in a few weeks as I am just recovering from

lymphoma/chemotherapy. T-cells are rising slowly but steadily and v-load

was under 400 last lab. On another list I shared about the dissident

views on hiv...and got lamblasted as a 'fruitcake'. I was only sharing

info. that other views existed but was taken as 'one of them dissident

denialists'. *gasp* and *giggle*. Anyways...many long term hiv survivors

swear that life has improved and thousands of lives have been saved since

the advent of HAART. (another view).

paul

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:54:22 -0800 " Kindscher (Charter) "

<morningsunranch@...> writes:

>

> I would not vaccinate if my T-cell count were that low, I don't

> vaccinate and my T-cell count if normal. You have not lost it, you

> have

> made a smart choice. What are you doing to help your immune system

> get

> stronger? My brother in law is having much sucess with some new

> advanced

> supplements. He brought his T-cell from below 50 to 264, doctors

> said he

> was going to die with a case of pneumonia he had in July, he took

> massive amounts of supplements had massive candida dieoff, that was

> bad,

> but recovered and was out of hospital in 5 days. Now they have

> tested

> him twice and cannot find the aids virus? He has had full blown aids

> for

> 17 years. He has to go in for a third time because they just think

> something is wrong with the tests, but I think its gone. Anyway you

>

> should be supporting your body like he did.

>

> J Purcell wrote:

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I've routinely refused the Hep B & C vaccines at the clinic. Have

> I lost

> > it? I just figure I dont need them. I also have refused flu-shot

> during

> > flu season and so far havent come down with it. I guess my immune

> system

> > is working well after all...even though my t-cells were under 100

> last

> > lab.

> >

> > paul

> >

> >

> > Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

What is HAART, sorry to be so naive. Glad things are improving for you.

keep working at it, nutrition is really key, lots of antioxidants, plant

foods, etc., If you ever want to know about nutrition I am your gal.

J Purcell wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> wow,.......he tests hiv 'neg' now? Interesting. I wondered if it would be

> a waste of time to check for hiv antibodies again when my t-cells get

> near normal range. For candida/yeast I take GSE, (grapefruitseed extract)

> - put drops in my drinking water....havnt had any candida or thrush

> flare-ups for some time. Doing well for the most part. Anxious to see my

> lab work in a few weeks as I am just recovering from

> lymphoma/chemotherapy. T-cells are rising slowly but steadily and v-load

> was under 400 last lab. On another list I shared about the dissident

> views on hiv...and got lamblasted as a 'fruitcake'. I was only sharing

> info. that other views existed but was taken as 'one of them dissident

> denialists'. *gasp* and *giggle*. Anyways...many long term hiv survivors

> swear that life has improved and thousands of lives have been saved since

> the advent of HAART. (another view).

>

> paul

>

>

>

>

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:54:22 -0800 " Kindscher (Charter) "

> <morningsunranch@...> writes:

> >

> > I would not vaccinate if my T-cell count were that low, I don't

> > vaccinate and my T-cell count if normal. You have not lost it, you

> > have

> > made a smart choice. What are you doing to help your immune system

> > get

> > stronger? My brother in law is having much sucess with some new

> > advanced

> > supplements. He brought his T-cell from below 50 to 264, doctors

> > said he

> > was going to die with a case of pneumonia he had in July, he took

> > massive amounts of supplements had massive candida dieoff, that was

> > bad,

> > but recovered and was out of hospital in 5 days. Now they have

> > tested

> > him twice and cannot find the aids virus? He has had full blown aids

> > for

> > 17 years. He has to go in for a third time because they just think

> > something is wrong with the tests, but I think its gone. Anyway you

> >

> > should be supporting your body like he did.

> >

> > J Purcell wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > I've routinely refused the Hep B & C vaccines at the clinic. Have

> > I lost

> > > it? I just figure I dont need them. I also have refused flu-shot

> > during

> > > flu season and so far havent come down with it. I guess my immune

> > system

> > > is working well after all...even though my t-cells were under 100

> > last

> > > lab.

> > >

> > > paul

> > >

> > >

> > > Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

HAART = Highly active anti retro-viral therapy. I take lots of supps and

try to eat as well as possible (organic, etc.) - cant always eat perfect

and splurge at times with reg. american foodstuffs. I take 5 - 7 gr of

C, 800 Ius of E, 400 mcgs of selenium, 50 mgs of zinc, ginkgo biloba,

fish/flax oil, 150,00 - 200,000 Ius of Beta Carotene, 2 B-50's, a good

multi, and others. Getting more exercise in - walking a few miles 3x a

week. Little fatigued at times....but good exercise - we have a fitness

trail at a huge park/golf course nearby.

paul

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:55:26 -0800 " Kindscher (Charter) "

<morningsunranch@...> writes:

>

> What is HAART, sorry to be so naive. Glad things are improving for

> you.

> keep working at it, nutrition is really key, lots of antioxidants,

> plant

> foods, etc., If you ever want to know about nutrition I am your gal.

>

>

> J Purcell wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > wow,.......he tests hiv 'neg' now? Interesting. I wondered if it

> would be

> > a waste of time to check for hiv antibodies again when my t-cells

> get

> > near normal range. For candida/yeast I take GSE, (grapefruitseed

> extract)

> > - put drops in my drinking water....havnt had any candida or

> thrush

> > flare-ups for some time. Doing well for the most part. Anxious to

> see my

> > lab work in a few weeks as I am just recovering from

> > lymphoma/chemotherapy. T-cells are rising slowly but steadily and

> v-load

> > was under 400 last lab. On another list I shared about the

> dissident

> > views on hiv...and got lamblasted as a 'fruitcake'. I was only

> sharing

> > info. that other views existed but was taken as 'one of them

> dissident

> > denialists'. *gasp* and *giggle*. Anyways...many long term hiv

> survivors

> > swear that life has improved and thousands of lives have been

> saved since

> > the advent of HAART. (another view).

> >

> > paul

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:54:22 -0800 " Kindscher (Charter) "

> > <morningsunranch@...> writes:

> > >

> > > I would not vaccinate if my T-cell count were that low, I

> don't

> > > vaccinate and my T-cell count if normal. You have not lost it,

> you

> > > have

> > > made a smart choice. What are you doing to help your immune

> system

> > > get

> > > stronger? My brother in law is having much sucess with some

> new

> > > advanced

> > > supplements. He brought his T-cell from below 50 to 264,

> doctors

> > > said he

> > > was going to die with a case of pneumonia he had in July, he

> took

> > > massive amounts of supplements had massive candida dieoff, that

> was

> > > bad,

> > > but recovered and was out of hospital in 5 days. Now they have

> > > tested

> > > him twice and cannot find the aids virus? He has had full blown

> aids

> > > for

> > > 17 years. He has to go in for a third time because they just

> think

> > > something is wrong with the tests, but I think its gone. Anyway

> you

> > >

> > > should be supporting your body like he did.

> > >

> > > J Purcell wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > I've routinely refused the Hep B & C vaccines at the clinic.

> Have

> > > I lost

> > > > it? I just figure I dont need them. I also have refused

> flu-shot

> > > during

> > > > flu season and so far havent come down with it. I guess my

> immune

> > > system

> > > > is working well after all...even though my t-cells were under

> 100

> > > last

> > > > lab.

> > > >

> > > > paul

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the info. SInce its my brother inlaw with aids I am not that

up on this stuff. He had been doing the anti-virals prior to gettin gso

sick with pneumonia and now he is relying on a product called ambrotose.

The only thing I would warn about your protocol is to check your fish

oil for mercury testing. I ended up with mercury poisoning from 3

differnt supplements I was taking prior to getting educated. Cheap fish

oil, coral calcium and progesterone cream which had lead in it! Also I

have heard some negative stuff about mega dosing on beta carotene.

Because nature never intended these things to be isolated they have to

work in synergy in the body. It can have a pro-oxidative effect, meaning

cause more free raidcals instead of get rid of. It is great to hear you

are working so hard at it. I had lyme disease and in that forum people

are stuck on just drugs, they don't think any alternatives can fix the

problems but I am living proof. SOme people think we get everything we

need from the food still, thats a joke. Where do you live I live in

California a place called ville, south of San Francisco a bout 1

hour.

J Purcell wrote:

>

>

> HAART = Highly active anti retro-viral therapy. I take lots of supps and

> try to eat as well as possible (organic, etc.) - cant always eat perfect

> and splurge at times with reg. american foodstuffs. I take 5 - 7 gr of

> C, 800 Ius of E, 400 mcgs of selenium, 50 mgs of zinc, ginkgo biloba,

> fish/flax oil, 150,00 - 200,000 Ius of Beta Carotene, 2 B-50's, a good

> multi, and others. Getting more exercise in - walking a few miles 3x a

> week. Little fatigued at times....but good exercise - we have a fitness

> trail at a huge park/golf course nearby.

>

> paul

>

>

>

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:55:26 -0800 " Kindscher (Charter) "

> <morningsunranch@...> writes:

> >

> > What is HAART, sorry to be so naive. Glad things are improving for

> > you.

> > keep working at it, nutrition is really key, lots of antioxidants,

> > plant

> > foods, etc., If you ever want to know about nutrition I am your gal.

> >

> >

> > J Purcell wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > wow,.......he tests hiv 'neg' now? Interesting. I wondered if it

> > would be

> > > a waste of time to check for hiv antibodies again when my t-cells

> > get

> > > near normal range. For candida/yeast I take GSE, (grapefruitseed

> > extract)

> > > - put drops in my drinking water....havnt had any candida or

> > thrush

> > > flare-ups for some time. Doing well for the most part. Anxious to

> > see my

> > > lab work in a few weeks as I am just recovering from

> > > lymphoma/chemotherapy. T-cells are rising slowly but steadily and

> > v-load

> > > was under 400 last lab. On another list I shared about the

> > dissident

> > > views on hiv...and got lamblasted as a 'fruitcake'. I was only

> > sharing

> > > info. that other views existed but was taken as 'one of them

> > dissident

> > > denialists'. *gasp* and *giggle*. Anyways...many long term hiv

> > survivors

> > > swear that life has improved and thousands of lives have been

> > saved since

> > > the advent of HAART. (another view).

> > >

> > > paul

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:54:22 -0800 " Kindscher (Charter) "

> > > <morningsunranch@...> writes:

> > > >

> > > > I would not vaccinate if my T-cell count were that low, I

> > don't

> > > > vaccinate and my T-cell count if normal. You have not lost it,

> > you

> > > > have

> > > > made a smart choice. What are you doing to help your immune

> > system

> > > > get

> > > > stronger? My brother in law is having much sucess with some

> > new

> > > > advanced

> > > > supplements. He brought his T-cell from below 50 to 264,

> > doctors

> > > > said he

> > > > was going to die with a case of pneumonia he had in July, he

> > took

> > > > massive amounts of supplements had massive candida dieoff, that

> > was

> > > > bad,

> > > > but recovered and was out of hospital in 5 days. Now they have

> > > > tested

> > > > him twice and cannot find the aids virus? He has had full blown

> > aids

> > > > for

> > > > 17 years. He has to go in for a third time because they just

> > think

> > > > something is wrong with the tests, but I think its gone. Anyway

> > you

> > > >

> > > > should be supporting your body like he did.

> > > >

> > > > J Purcell wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all,

> > > > >

> > > > > I've routinely refused the Hep B & C vaccines at the clinic.

> > Have

> > > > I lost

> > > > > it? I just figure I dont need them. I also have refused

> > flu-shot

> > > > during

> > > > > flu season and so far havent come down with it. I guess my

> > immune

> > > > system

> > > > > is working well after all...even though my t-cells were under

> > 100

> > > > last

> > > > > lab.

> > > > >

> > > > > paul

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

I am interested as to which supplements he took? And , I do not think

you are crazy not to take the vaccines, I think you are extremely sane! Take a

look at some of the info on vaccines on the web, perhaps some of the links in

the arcticle I sent will give you some info too.

Tangerine

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/25/2005 3:46:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

Tangerineburton@... writes:

I am interested as to which supplements he took? And , I do not think

you are crazy not to take the vaccines, I think you are extremely sane! Take

a

look at some of the info on vaccines on the web, perhaps some of the links

in

the arcticle I sent will give you some info too.

Tangerine

Hi Tangerine,

You're right on about the vaccine issue, but I think , and anyone

else caught up in t-cell terrorism is crazy. Very healthy people have shown

counts lower than 's. Very sick people can have counts in the thousands.

" Normal " is based on people the doctors see. Normal is obese. Normal is

suffering from chronic disease. Normal people will die at about half of what

our lifespan should be and will spend their last dies (and hundreds of

thousands of dollars) suffering in a hospital.

Happy not to be normal,

Ed

PS - Anybody on this list in Brazil? I'm going to Rio next month and would

like to know somebody there.

[Guest guest]

Ed,

You are right about the normal thing. I am not caught up in the T-Cell

count, but my brother in laws doctors are. And what is normal for him

they do know because they have monitored him for so long. The immune

system is not something that doctors will understand any time soon, nor

will I . I am glad you are not normal and neither am I! GIna

aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/25/2005 3:46:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> Tangerineburton@... writes:

>

>

> I am interested as to which supplements he took? And , I do not think

> you are crazy not to take the vaccines, I think you are extremely sane!

> Take

> a

> look at some of the info on vaccines on the web, perhaps some of the links

> in

> the arcticle I sent will give you some info too.

> Tangerine

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Tangerine,

>

> You're right on about the vaccine issue, but I think , and anyone

> else caught up in t-cell terrorism is crazy. Very healthy people have

> shown

> counts lower than 's. Very sick people can have counts in the

> thousands.

>

> " Normal " is based on people the doctors see. Normal is obese. Normal is

> suffering from chronic disease. Normal people will die at about half

> of what

> our lifespan should be and will spend their last dies (and hundreds of

> thousands of dollars) suffering in a hospital.

>

> Happy not to be normal,

>

> Ed

>

> PS - Anybody on this list in Brazil? I'm going to Rio next month and

> would

> like to know somebody there.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed:

T-cell terrorism, hmmmm?

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Professor Ozone ()

www.ozoneuniversity.com

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Re: vaccines

In a message dated 3/25/2005 3:46:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

Tangerineburton@... writes:

I am interested as to which supplements he took? And , I do not think

you are crazy not to take the vaccines, I think you are extremely sane!

Take a look at some of the info on vaccines on the web, perhaps some of the

links in the arcticle I sent will give you some info too.

Tangerine

Hi Tangerine,

You're right on about the vaccine issue, but I think , and anyone

else caught up in t-cell terrorism is crazy. Very healthy people have

shown counts lower than 's. Very sick people can have counts in the

thousands.

" Normal " is based on people the doctors see. Normal is obese. Normal is

suffering from chronic disease. Normal people will die at about half of

what our lifespan should be and will spend their last dies (and hundreds of

thousands of dollars) suffering in a hospital.

Happy not to be normal,

Ed

PS - Anybody on this list in Brazil? I'm going to Rio next month and

would like to know somebody there.