Re: Measles outbreak

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In a message dated 8/16/00 7:08:12 AM Central Daylight Time,

Mand@... writes:

<< She points to a measles

outbreak from 1989 to 1991 in the United States that sickened thousands of

children and killed 90. >>

Okay, I'll go for sickened thousands of children, but killed 90? I looked

at the mortality " rate " tables, and going by that it was less than 50. And,

in actuality, this table does not report actual numbers, it reports " rates " .

Meaning, that the table works on a rate/population. So, there may have been

only 4 deaths that year, but they all occurred in one area, and that area had

100,000, so the rate would be 4/100,000. There were only 4 deaths total, but

using these numbers you can see how someone would think they could multiply

" 4 " by whatever, and arrive at a total death rate of 200. Anyway, ask her

for her source. I studied the tables on measles 2 years ago extensively, and

I believe her number to be whacked. Additionally, were the deaths due to

secondary circumstances? Generally speaking, measles doesn't cause death --

it is usually due to a secondary condition. I'd be very interested in seeing

where her info comes from.

[Guest guest]

Wasn't the outbreak right after they started giving the second dose? If I

remember correctly, at the time the outbreak was actualy thought by some, to

have come from them giving that second dose in six grade. Anyone know if I

am right here?

Carmella

Measles outbreak

> <<Rennels worries about future outbreaks of deadly disease should

> parents become afraid of childhood vaccinations. She points to a measles

> outbreak from 1989 to 1991 in the United States that sickened thousands of

> children and killed 90.

> " And it was all because our immunization levels were low, " she said.

> " If people are led to fear vaccines, you're going to see outbreaks. " >>

>

> That's not what I was told back then! We were told in college that the

> reason we needed a Measles booster was because they had messed up and not

> given us enough of the vaccine as children. I never once heard it related

to

> " immunizations levels " being low. Isn't that interesting?

> M. in Michigan

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 02-04-01 3:06:11 PM Central Standard Time,

bertandmaya@... writes:

<< but do I really want to intentionally expose my

daughter to measles?? It was my understanding that it was alot more serious

than chicken pox(which she still hasn't had at age 5). I'd be interested in

your oppinions. We live about 40 minutes north of Federal Way.. >>

Maya,

I had all the kinds of measles.. my daughter had the rubella... and it really

was no big deal.. for either of us. She also had it while I was pregnant

with our now 4.5 year old. She was uncomfortable.. but not as miserable as

Chicken pox was for her and her siblings. Being I had had the Rubella..

there was no cause for concern for our then unborn child.. and this daughter

will have a LIFE LONG REAL immunity to rubella.

I wish our other daughters would get it.

Have a great week!

Kim

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/I live near Seattle,WA, but do I really want to intentionally expose my

daughter to measles?? It was my understanding that it was alot more serious

than chicken pox(which she still hasn't had at age 5). I'd be interested in

your oppinions. We live about 40 minutes north of Federal Way..

Thanks!

-Maya

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>Date: 4 Feb 2001 02:00:22 -0000

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>There are 25 messages in this issue.

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>Topics in this digest:

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> 1. Re: WA-Measles

> From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...>

> 2. Re: California MMR questions

> From: Trentonsmom@...

> 3. Re: WA-Measles

> From: " DeVan " <ietinc@...>

> 4. Re: ot-homeopathy directions

> From: snakken@...

> 5. Re: Vaccinate all to protect a few?

> From: <moira@...>

> 6. Indiana Mulls Mandatory HIV Testing for Pregnant Women

> From: " Cory Mermer " <camermer@...>

> 7. OT Supporting his own weight?

> From: " & Troy Lucas " <lucasjt@...>

> 8. I am missing TONS of emails today - anyone else?

> From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...>

> 9. Re: California MMR questions

> From: " & Troy Lucas " <lucasjt@...>

> 10. A new member. Why?

> From: " Lafalla " <Lafalla@...>

> 11. introduction

> From: Chevy974@...

> 12. Re: Flu Vaccine Question Again....

> From: jacq210 <jacq210@...>

> 13. Re: vaccine registry/Birth Cert.

> From: jacq210 <jacq210@...>

> 14. Re: Indiana Mulls Mandatory HIV Testing for Pregnant Women

> From: " DeVan " <ietinc@...>

> 15. Re: A new member. Why?

> From: " DeVan " <ietinc@...>

> 16. Re: introduction

> From: " DeVan " <ietinc@...>

> 17. MMR or Expulsion from School

> From: Linster716@...

> 18. Re:Subject: Urgent! Is this a vaccine reaction?

> From: Alison N Calista <alison73@...>

> 19. Re: MMR or Expulsion from School

> From: " DeVan " <ietinc@...>

> 20. Re: I am missing TONS of emails today - anyone else?

> From: beebemcel@...

> 21. Re: A new member. Why?

> From: beebemcel@...

> 22. Re: introduction

> From: beebemcel@...

> 23. Re: I am missing TONS of emails today - anyone else?

> From: Gretchen L <brofu@...>

> 24. Re: MMR or Expulsion from School

> From: beebemcel@...

> 25. Re: Indiana Mulls Mandatory HIV Testing for Pregnant Women

> From: beebemcel@...

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>Message: 1

> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:40:17 +0000

> From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...>

>Subject: Re: WA-Measles

>

>Now's your chance to have a measles party and get them exposed as they did

>in the 'olden' days (not so long ago.)

>It says Federal Way (that's a town in WA)

>

>At 03:33 PM 02/03/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> >What town/state did this occur in?...

> >Sharon, Quakertown PA

> > Re: OT Supporting his own weight?

>

>

> Hi Amber!

> I don't think you have to be afraid. If your baby is showing no signs of

> discomfort he is not hurting, and it's ok for him to occasionally put

>some

> weight on his legs, the way you describe it. I double-checked with my

> husband, who is a physical therapist specializing in pediatrics, and he

> agrees.

>

> I would like to point out, though, that you should not bounce a baby

>hard,

> standing or sitting. You should not put them in various contraptions,

>such

> as walkers, either, and you should not be misled into thinking that you

>are

> " teaching " or " exercising " the baby.

> (A lot of should nots-hate to sound so dogmatic!)

> The point I mean to bring across is that a baby's development happens

> naturally, without any need for us to interfere. Nevertheless, babies

>are

> less fragile that we are led to believe, and can take a lot of friendly

> handling. They'll let you know when they've had enough!

> Which leads me to one last should ( and I point this out only because a

>lot

> of people are conditioned to believe that it is " good, normal " or

>whatever

> to let a baby cry) : always respect the baby's wishes-babies know

>excatly

> what they need.

> Lilian

>

> Hi out there

> >

> >A question for all you more knowledgeable people. Arlo is 2.5 months

> >now and he seems to like to " stand " . My husband will put his hands

> >around his middle and help him balance while Arlo carries his own

> >weight. I'm deathly afraid that this is going to cause damage to his

> >legs since his bones are still soft. Can anyone tell me if this is a

> >valid concern or if I'm just being paranoid?

> >

> >Thanks much

> >

> >Amber

> >

>

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Well thats a good question. Only one you could decide. There, of course

are risks to measles, but not for most children.

Vitamin A is very important to take while having measles as well as Vitamin C.

It is really hard to know these days - lifelong immunity sure would be nice.

Moms did it all the time when I was a child in the 50s and 60s

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I am certainly NO EXPERT, but my opinion...if it is my son, and he is

healthy, with a strong immune system, and was 5 years old, and I armed

myself with what I needed to know from a naturopath and/or homeopath before

hand, I would definately expose him to it. I WANT him to have a natural

immunity to it, especially so that he might not have to face having it as an

adult, when side effects could/would be worse, or have more of a chance of

lasting damage...measles (from what I understand) is/can be much worse than

chicken pox, but that is something I would be prepared for...

Sharon, Quakertown PA

Re: OT Supporting his own weight?

> >

> >

> > Hi Amber!

> > I don't think you have to be afraid. If your baby is showing no signs

of

> > discomfort he is not hurting, and it's ok for him to occasionally put

> >some

> > weight on his legs, the way you describe it. I double-checked with my

> > husband, who is a physical therapist specializing in pediatrics, and

he

> > agrees.

> >

> > I would like to point out, though, that you should not bounce a baby

> >hard,

> > standing or sitting. You should not put them in various contraptions,

> >such

> > as walkers, either, and you should not be misled into thinking that

you

> >are

> > " teaching " or " exercising " the baby.

> > (A lot of should nots-hate to sound so dogmatic!)

> > The point I mean to bring across is that a baby's development happens

> > naturally, without any need for us to interfere. Nevertheless, babies

> >are

> > less fragile that we are led to believe, and can take a lot of

friendly

> > handling. They'll let you know when they've had enough!

> > Which leads me to one last should ( and I point this out only because

a

> >lot

> > of people are conditioned to believe that it is " good, normal " or

> >whatever

> > to let a baby cry) : always respect the baby's wishes-babies know

> >excatly

> > what they need.

> > Lilian

> >

> > Hi out there

> > >

> > >A question for all you more knowledgeable people. Arlo is 2.5 months

> > >now and he seems to like to " stand " . My husband will put his hands

> > >around his middle and help him balance while Arlo carries his own

> > >weight. I'm deathly afraid that this is going to cause damage to his

> > >legs since his bones are still soft. Can anyone tell me if this is a

> > >valid concern or if I'm just being paranoid?

> > >

> > >Thanks much

> > >

> > >Amber

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I can see why you are worried. The level they should have ideally is 800 or

more. As you know He is more prone to infections. I don't know if he has

had a measles shot prior to diagnosis and if so has had any response to it.

This is something they should of checked andif he does have a response to

the vaccine(you wouldn't give after diagnosis) than hopefully he should be

ok and may be a reassuring thing to find out. I think all you can do is do

your best to minimize exposure and maybe call the inf. Doctor again.

Hang in there

Amy

Measles Outbreak

>I wanted to get your opinions on this. Our city is in the middle of a

>measles outbreak. Conner is taking a break from infusions for the summer

>and I'm worried about a possible exposure. His ped says there is nothing

we

>can do, unless we know he is exposed then he'll do an IVIG right away. I

>have a call into his Infectious Disease doc since Friday and still haven't

>heard back from them. His IgG level last week was 598, not great but maybe

>enough to protect him. Any thoughts?

>

>

>

>

>Mom to Conner (11, Asperger's, mild CP, partial seizures, asthma, GERD,

>immunodeficiency-SCIG, and now adrenal insufficiency),

>Hayden (11, PDD-NOS, IBS and moderate hearing loss/aided),

>Evan (11, asthma and mild hearing loss/unaided),

>and Kelsey - (9 going on 19!)

>

>

>

>

>

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I'm with you on 'their' ability to mess with data---and outbreaks

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force...never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." Washington

From: parkersherryl <parkersherryl@...>Subject: Measles outbreakno-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 8:28 PM

I was wondering if anyone has found information about the measlesoutbreak, and whether what "they" are claiming is true or not... as toit occurring mostly in non-vaccinated children. I have a strongsuspicion they have messed with statistic's or something, it does notadd up. I cannot seam to find the 'smoking gun'. However I find itvery suspicious that as soon as the scales start to tip away fromtheir favor (i.e. more parents deciding not to vaccinate), there is ameasles outbreak...bringing a surge of fearful parents in to get theirkids vaccinated. Kind of convenient for the profit margin I think!Anyhow, I apologize if this information has already been posted I am anew comer to this group, and have 165 posts in my mail box...and notenough time to read them all! Thanks.

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Hullo parkersherry. Yep, you got that right! They say anything they want when sales go down. The advertising starts to get hot and heavy when they loose a few hundred million bucks. They have to appease their shareholders. And they can say any thing they want, pull numbers out of their a....ummm hats. Even pronounce a pandemic when there are none. And they control the media, and can force them to do and say anything they want them to. You would be hard pressed to find any real or honest truth behind what they want reported. And THEY being BigPharm and associated ruthless cutthroat businesses and other drug maffia.. Dont think for one minute they have our best interests at heart. Welcome, by the way! Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

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Whether or not it is true. How many of us survived measles? From what I recall measles and chicken pox were just normal childhood illnesses that everyone got. Granted it wasn't a lot of fun, but we survived it. Hardly worth causing a pandemonium over and definitely not worth poisoning our children for!

Measles outbreak

I was wondering if anyone has found information about the measlesoutbreak, and whether what "they" are claiming is true or not... as toit occurring mostly in non-vaccinated children. I have a strongsuspicion they have messed with statistic's or something, it does notadd up. I cannot seam to find the 'smoking gun'. However I find itvery suspicious that as soon as the scales start to tip away fromtheir favor (i.e. more parents deciding not to vaccinate), there is ameasles outbreak...bringing a surge of fearful parents in to get theirkids vaccinated. Kind of convenient for the profit margin I think!Anyhow, I apologize if this information has already been posted I am anew comer to this group, and have 165 posts in my mail box...and notenough time to read them all! Thanks.

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I find it hard to believe it's only un-vax'ed kids, as most adults are not up-to-date on their vaccines. I have no backing proof but in my area it was mostly adults that caught the Measles in this outbreak.

Measles outbreak

I was wondering if anyone has found information about the measlesoutbreak, and whether what "they" are claiming is true or not... as toit occurring mostly in non-vaccinated children. I have a strongsuspicion they have messed with statistic's or something, it does notadd up. I cannot seam to find the 'smoking gun'. However I find itvery suspicious that as soon as the scales start to tip away fromtheir favor (i.e. more parents deciding not to vaccinate), there is ameasles outbreak...bringing a surge of fearful parents in to get theirkids vaccinated. Kind of convenient for the profit margin I think!Anyhow, I apologize if this information has already been posted I am anew comer to this group, and have 165 posts in my mail box...and notenough time to read them all! Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

I am only familiar with the outbreak in Wisconsin ( read the original

news report) - it started with a vaccinated 5th grader. His doctor

just couldn't fathom why this child still got the disease!! The

funny thing is - they were making the unvaccinated stay indoors/away

from people while the vaccinated continued to go to school??!!

Nothing makes any sense or surprise me anymore.

> >Hello everyone...I know that this was a topic a few digests ago but

> >have been so busy that I haven't had much time to catch up.

> >

> >Does anyone know the specifics on the measles outbreak that's

going on

> >right now? My father-in-law is making a point to tell my husband

about

> >it because he knows we don't vax and I want to have all the ammo

ready

> >to educate him about it. Such as how many (percentage) of the kids

> >that are getting it are vaccinated and how many aren't. And

anything

> >else anyone can think of would be great! I guess I also need some

> >reassurance that I'm doing the right thing not getting her vaxed.

I go

> >through this all the time...back and forth...but I know I'm doing

the

> >right thing. But, it is scary! I'm in Ohio...is the outbreak in

Ohio?

> >

> >Any help would be great!

> >

> >Thanks...

>

>

> I get so INFURIATED that they have made you all so afraid of

measles.

>

> Imagine how you will feel 30 years from now if someone teaches you

to

> be deathly afraid of colds and told they have to vaccinate or their

> child will die.

>

> It is ludicrous

>

> How old is your dad?

>

> I know of NO ONE WHO ever died - I was born in 1950 - all my

friends

> and their sibs had measles, all my family - everyone. I worked in

a

> peds office in high school in the 60's - no one died. I graduated

> nursing school in 1968 - no one died. No one thought anything

about

> measles. NOTHING. My mom is a peds nurse - graduating in 1948 -

she

> thinks it is insane.

>

> Many are wishing for an outbreak to expose their kids for lifelong

immunity.

>

> Only 127 people in 15 states

> " States with cases now include Arizona, Arkansas, California,

> Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, New York,

> New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin and Washington state,

> as well as Washington, D.C., according to the CDC. "

>

> There are probably this many in other years too, just no one making

a

> big deal. Or doctors not diagnosing measles because the child is

> vaxed. Or a parent not taking their child to doctor or reporting

it.

>

> It is NOT a fearsome disease.

>

> Sheri

> listowner

>

>

>

>

>

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

" I get so INFURIATED that they have made you all so afraid of measles. "

Me too.

My boyfriend got the measles at three years-old in 1988, and he was

born with two wholes in his heart, making several operations necessary

between birth and the age of two. This made him more likely to contract

an infection (periocarditis). Heck, he even has to get dental work done

in a sterile operating room. He was totally fine, and had no

complications.

[Guest guest]

>

> I was wondering if anyone has found information about the measles

> outbreak, and whether what " they " are claiming is true or not... as to

> it occurring mostly in non-vaccinated children. I have a strong

> suspicion they have messed with statistic's or something, it does not

> add up. I cannot seam to find the 'smoking gun'. However I find it

> very suspicious that as soon as the scales start to tip away from

> their favor (i.e. more parents deciding not to vaccinate), there is a

> measles outbreak...bringing a surge of fearful parents in to get their

> kids vaccinated. Kind of convenient for the profit margin I think!

> Anyhow, I apologize if this information has already been posted I am a

> new comer to this group, and have 165 posts in my mail box...and not

> enough time to read them all! Thanks.

>

I'm in the process of editing a discussion with Neil Z.

(www.thinktwice.com), Cousens MD(www.gabrielcousens.com) and

Harold E. Buttrum MD. Mr. talks in detail about the measles

vaccine compromising the immune system of generations of children by

suppressing the measles antibodies in measles vaccinated mothers which

would protect their children at an early age and allow the children to

eventually develop their own immunity. He also mentions that adequate

amounts of vitamin A are critical for a person to defend themselves

from measles and complications or death from measles. I'll post audio

pertaining to this when I get a chance. Vitamin A is critical for

immuno defense of measle while vitamin C is critical for defense for

purtusis (the P in DPT). If you can't talk someone out of vaccinating

their self or their child at least suggest that they take the

appropriate supplements to support their immune system. In short eat a

wide spectrum of fresh organic fruits and vegetables and used quality

organic vitamin supplements (Flintstone chewables don't count). I hope

this is useful. Please visit www.thinktwice.com and look at Neils

books for the best information on vaccines. I hope this is helpful.

Adam

[Guest guest]

Here's some reassurance for you :

1. Measles is a benign illness in children.

In the pre-vaccine era in the U.S., there was " near universal

infection, " and " more than 50% of persons had measles by age 6, with

more than 90% by age 15. The highest incidence was among 5 to 9-year-

olds, who generally accounted for more than 50% of reported cases. "

Thus, the CDC extrapolates that the actual number of cases was far

higher than the number of reported cases (4-500,000/year) and close

to the birth cohort (3-4,000,000/year).

Using the CDC's data, we know that the death rate was around 1 in

7,500-9,000 for children under the age of 15 (400-500 deaths out of 3-

4,000,000 cases), and the hospitalization rate was between 1.2 and

1.6% (48,000 out of 3-4 million infections).

2. This disease was not feared in the pre-vaccine era (just like

chickenpox today is not feared by people of my generation):

" Some physicians consider that measles is so mild a complaint that a

major effort at prevention is not justified. "

( BM B.Ch, of the National Institute for Medical

Research London, published in 1967.)

3. Measles is treatable. Complications and death are reduced greatly

by administering vitamin A and C and not giving Tylenol.

This website explains things.

http://www.thinktwice.com/measles.htm

I know how it is to not be sure, so don't worry about it.

[Guest guest]

I'll bet if the media had never reported an " outbreak, " we would not notice it

in our daily lives. I doubt there's any outbreak at all.

Winnie

Measles Outbreak

Vaccinations

> Hello everyone...I know that this was a topic a few digests ago but

> have been so busy that I haven't had much time to catch up.

>

> Does anyone know the specifics on the measles outbreak that's

> going on

> right now? My father-in-law is making a point to tell my husband about

> it because he knows we don't vax and I want to have all the ammo ready

> to educate him about it. Such as how many (percentage) of the kids

> that are getting it are vaccinated and how many aren't. And anything

> else anyone can think of would be great! I guess I also need some

> reassurance that I'm doing the right thing not getting her

> vaxed. I go

> through this all the time...back and forth...but I know I'm

> doing the

> right thing. But, it is scary! I'm in Ohio...is the outbreak in

> Ohio?

>

> Any help would be great!

>

> Thanks...

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, the outbreaks are real. If all kept quiet though it's quite possible that

no one would have noticed it but the outbreaks are real...we get the PSA's here

in Arizona, I've seen a few cases come in through the local ER here.

Measles Outbreak

Vaccinations

> Hello everyone...I know that this was a topic a few digests ago but

> have been so busy that I haven't had much time to catch up.

>

> Does anyone know the specifics on the measles outbreak that's

> going on

> right now? My father-in-law is making a point to tell my husband about

> it because he knows we don't vax and I want to have all the ammo ready

> to educate him about it. Such as how many (percentage) of the kids

> that are getting it are vaccinated and how many aren't. And anything

> else anyone can think of would be great! I guess I also need some

> reassurance that I'm doing the right thing not getting her

> vaxed. I go

> through this all the time...back and forth...but I know I'm

> doing the

> right thing. But, it is scary! I'm in Ohio...is the outbreak in

> Ohio?

>

> Any help would be great!

>

> Thanks...

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 08:42 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote:

>Hello everyone...I know that this was a topic a few digests ago but

>have been so busy that I haven't had much time to catch up.

>

>Does anyone know the specifics on the measles outbreak that's going on

>right now? My father-in-law is making a point to tell my husband about

>it because he knows we don't vax and I want to have all the ammo ready

>to educate him about it. Such as how many (percentage) of the kids

>that are getting it are vaccinated and how many aren't. And anything

>else anyone can think of would be great! I guess I also need some

>reassurance that I'm doing the right thing not getting her vaxed. I go

>through this all the time...back and forth...but I know I'm doing the

>right thing. But, it is scary! I'm in Ohio...is the outbreak in Ohio?

>

>Any help would be great!

>

>Thanks...

I get so INFURIATED that they have made you all so afraid of measles.

Imagine how you will feel 30 years from now if someone teaches you to

be deathly afraid of colds and told they have to vaccinate or their

child will die.

It is ludicrous

How old is your dad?

I know of NO ONE WHO ever died - I was born in 1950 - all my friends

and their sibs had measles, all my family - everyone. I worked in a

peds office in high school in the 60's - no one died. I graduated

nursing school in 1968 - no one died. No one thought anything about

measles. NOTHING. My mom is a peds nurse - graduating in 1948 - she

thinks it is insane.

Many are wishing for an outbreak to expose their kids for lifelong immunity.

Only 127 people in 15 states

" States with cases now include Arizona, Arkansas, California,

Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, New York,

New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin and Washington state,

as well as Washington, D.C., according to the CDC. "

There are probably this many in other years too, just no one making a

big deal. Or doctors not diagnosing measles because the child is

vaxed. Or a parent not taking their child to doctor or reporting it.

It is NOT a fearsome disease.

Sheri

listowner

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe you are seeing them, but I guess it depends on individual definitions

of " outbreak " and whether the diagnoses are increasing due to the media

exposure, more people going to the ER because they heard there was an outbreak,

cases which could be caused by the vaccine---round and round we go.

Winnie

Measles Outbreak

> Vaccinations

>

> > Hello everyone...I know that this was a topic a few digests

> ago but

> > have been so busy that I haven't had much time to catch up.

> >

> > Does anyone know the specifics on the measles outbreak

> that's

> > going on

> > right now? My father-in-law is making a point to tell my

> husband about

> > it because he knows we don't vax and I want to have all the

> ammo ready

> > to educate him about it. Such as how many (percentage) of

> the kids

> > that are getting it are vaccinated and how many aren't. And

> anything > else anyone can think of would be great! I guess I

> also need some

> > reassurance that I'm doing the right thing not getting her

> > vaxed. I go

> > through this all the time...back and forth...but I know I'm

> > doing the

> > right thing. But, it is scary! I'm in Ohio...is the outbreak

> in

> > Ohio?

> >

> > Any help would be great!

> >

> > Thanks...

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was just thinking the same thing - I had measles, chicken pox, and

mumps. Why are they placing so much fear into people - I already know.

I guess I thought that was a 'normal' thing to happen when we are

young. And why are they quarantining the vaccinated child? I am

totally baffled. Speechless, dumfounded. Do these people 'hear'

themselves????

Sherry

On Jul 14, 2008, at 9:08 PM, wrote:

> " I get so INFURIATED that they have made you all so afraid of measles. "

>

> Me too.

>

> My boyfriend got the measles at three years-old in 1988, and he was

> born with two wholes in his heart, making several operations necessary

> between birth and the age of two. This made him more likely to

> contract

> an infection (periocarditis). Heck, he even has to get dental work

> done

> in a sterile operating room. He was totally fine, and had no

> complications.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There was a HUGE deal being made in SE Wisconsin this spring and then it

blew over as quickly as it appeared. What was strange is that right before

it stopped being a daily news story (including it's own banner on the online

news page), they had announced 7 new cases in this one town but would not

give any details--but please hurry and get your shots. I never did hear of

any follow up to that story or confirmation of the 7 new cases.

L.

[Guest guest]

>

> No, the outbreaks are real. If all kept quiet though it's quite

possible that no one would have noticed it but the outbreaks are

real...we get the PSA's here in Arizona, I've seen a few cases come in

through the local ER here.

>

If measles is benign then why did children end up in ER?

Katarina

[Guest guest]

I've read that the fever can go up to 105 degrees. That would probably scare me

and

cause me to go. Not that I would want to but I wouldn't know what else to do.

And I know

I would be SCARED because I get scared when the thermometer says 102.5 (which I

later

discovered means 103.5 because it was under the arm!)! And that was probably

just a

teething fever.

> >

> > No, the outbreaks are real. If all kept quiet though it's quite

> possible that no one would have noticed it but the outbreaks are

> real...we get the PSA's here in Arizona, I've seen a few cases come in

> through the local ER here.

> >

> If measles is benign then why did children end up in ER?

>

> Katarina

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> If measles is benign then why did children end up in ER?

>

> Katarina

>

My guess is that maybe it was the weekend. Not to undermine a sick

child, but my neighbors go to the ER for things I wouldn't even

schedule a dr's appt for. Another lady down the street said they go to

ER because then their insurance covers it. I don't ask these people

many questions. I think some people are frightened and because

they don't know what else to do they go to the dr or ER. I do think

it is better " safe than sorry " - so I don't fault anyone for going.

I, too, with my 1st child went into the dr for things I now wouldn't

think twice about, or I now know what to do instead.

> >

> > No, the outbreaks are real. If all kept quiet though it's quite

> possible that no one would have noticed it but the outbreaks are

> real...we get the PSA's here in Arizona, I've seen a few cases come

in

> through the local ER here.

> >

> If measles is benign then why did children end up in ER?

>

> Katarina

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I've read that the fever can go up to 105 degrees. That would

probably scare me and

> cause me to go.

I hear you. I feel that no matter how much we know, if my child would

have such a high fever, i would be very scared and wouldn't know what

to do with all the conflicting info. Didn't it say somewhere NOT to

bring fever down? That it's very dangerous to administer any medicine

and just let the disease run it's course? But then again how do you

know when something is wrong and you're just keeping your child at home

instead of getting some kind of intervention.....what a dilemma

Katarina