Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Hi All - A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done. Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? Thanks!! t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Please go to our website, www.HealthFreedomUSA.org, and go down the column on the right until you find the link for the Vaccine Exemption eBook and make sure you get it - there is a vast amount of informaiton there. Many web sits have information on wording that they suggest but each state is different and it is vitally important to have the background, as well as the working, in your pocket before you go for an exemption. Many states actually have set themselves up to " test " parents' " religious conviction " before the schools, yes, the SCHOOLS, authorize a religious exemption!!!! Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima > > Hi All - > > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done. > > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? > > Thanks!! > > t > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Thanks - She's in NY. t On Dec 6, 2008, at 10:25 AM, DeBonis Soccio wrote: > > The religious exemption letters would vary by state because > typically you cite the state's law/regulation within the body of the > letter. What state are you in? > > > > religious exemption > > Hi All - > > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done. > > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? > > Thanks!! > > t > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Thanks - She's in NY. t On Dec 6, 2008, at 10:25 AM, DeBonis Soccio wrote: > > The religious exemption letters would vary by state because > typically you cite the state's law/regulation within the body of the > letter. What state are you in? > > > > religious exemption > > Hi All - > > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done. > > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? > > Thanks!! > > t > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 WONDERFUL. I will pass this on immediately. t On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Natural Solutions Foundation wrote: > Please go to our website, www.HealthFreedomUSA.org, and go down the > column on the right until you find the link for the Vaccine Exemption > eBook and make sure you get it - there is a vast amount of informaiton > there. > Many web sits have information on wording that they suggest but each > state is different and it is vitally important to have the background, > as well as the working, in your pocket before you go for an exemption. > Many states actually have set themselves up to " test " parents' > " religious conviction " before the schools, yes, the SCHOOLS, authorize > a religious exemption!!!! > > Yours in health and freedom, > Dr. Rima > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've > done. > > > > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? > > > > Thanks!! > > > > t > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 When I talked to Dr Eisenstein, who is a lawyer and MD here in Illinois (he wrote the book, " Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate " ) he said that a religious exemption letter should not contain any reference to vaccines causing the body harm. He said that your school could then construe it as a medical exemption, since you're worried about them hurting your kids, and then you get into the crap about the state bringing in it's own doctors and declaring that your children are healthy enough to take the shots. Tamara > > Some of the best vaccine exemption info and sample letters can be found at vaclib.org. which is updated regularly. From the main page, on the left column under Legal Help, press the exemption page. You can find your state by state info there. Best of Luck and thanks for spreading the vital exemption information. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL > http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 I used it for public school. Correction to wording, not bacteria, must have been virus. Wish I kept that letter. It worked fine....in New Jersey up until 5 years ago. I can ask a friend there what her wording is now and send it you like. Liz > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > > > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > > > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've > > done. > > > > > > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > > > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? > > > > > > Thanks!! > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 I used it for public school. Correction to wording, not bacteria, must have been virus. Wish I kept that letter. It worked fine....in New Jersey up until 5 years ago. I can ask a friend there what her wording is now and send it you like. Liz > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > > > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > > > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've > > done. > > > > > > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > > > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? > > > > > > Thanks!! > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Folks, Regarding religious exemptions, you have to review your state's statutes *and* regulations for starters, to get proper procedure for exercising a religious exemption in *your* state. Please note that many states have forms and don't require that you draft anything--but you may not find that out if you don't read the relevant regulations as well as the statutes (e.g., one state requires membership in an organized religion by statute, but the state health dept. designed a form that doesn't require applicants to state that, apparently aligning with non-binding federal legal precedent). Regarding those that do require you to write a statement of beliefs in opposition to the immunization requirements, what qualifies (or not) is determined by a combination of state statutes/regulations and federal legal precedent setting out rights under the First Amendment, and in a few states, there is applicable state precedent as well. So, one's geographical location and the specific circumstances determine what one's rights are. Since this can be complicated (especially when adding the question of how to best deal with local authorities), many people would benefit from a consultation with a knowledgeable attorney, as with any other important legal matter that's important to get right the first time. Beware of vaccine websites and books offering advice on this. Respectfully, virtually all anti-vaccine sites I've reviewed have a combination of accurate and misleading, if not outright inaccurate, information on vaccine exemption rights and procedure (sometimes appearing to mistake what they think our rights *should* be with what the actually *are*). The authors of this well-intended but often erroneous information just don't understand the law on this topic. I've seen this even from otherwise highly reputable people/sites (e.g. some with medical credentials) who have great information on health concerns associated with vaccines--but they just don't understand the legal side of it. My site, www.vaccinerights.com, has lots of free information from a licensed attorney who has studied the law on this topic for years and worked with dozens of clients (including attorneys) around the country--(me). It's the only site on the net dedicated to vaccine exemptions, and the only site with detailed, reliable information from someone with formal legal training who has researched the law on this for some years now. There are only 2 reliable sources I'm aware of for information that will enable lay people to really understand how the law works with religious exemptions--the NSF e-book on the topic (NSF's specialized version of my original e-book), or a consultation with one of the 2 or 3 attorneys in private practice in the US who include regularly vaccine exemption cases in their practices. Regretfully, there is no other written source of authoritative (i.e., accurate and reliable) information other than the e-book that I'm aware of; the other 2 attorneys are in NY, but regretfully, I can only recommend one as the other has received numerous complaints. See the NVIC website for referrals www.nvic.org. Yes, I'm blowing my own horn here...but for the benefit of all concerned, not just myself. If it helps, I went to law school out of my concern for vaccine issues; frankly, vaccine exemptions is not a money-maker (I wouldn't touch it if my goal were to maximize my income, which is why there's virtually no one else out there doing it, either), I don this because I'm committed to the cause. I do hope to turn my work in this area into a viable business if possible, though. This issue is important enough to spend some time, and some money if necessary, getting it right the first time. People have unnecessarily lost the exemption because of misunderstanding their rights, so I highly recommend that anyone concerned with vaccine religious exemptions take steps to understand how their rights work, and what the boundaries of those rights are. For example, in most states, the legal boundaries of those rights are not clearly defined, so it is important to understand why, and how to deal with that legal reality before stepping out and risking inadvertently undermining your exemption rights. I try to monitor this list, but don't see all posts. So, feel free to email me directly with religious exemption questions--and be sure to see www.vaccinerights.com, as there's lots of good (and reliable) information there. Thanks, Alan , Esq. P.O. Box 3473 Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473 attorney@... www.vaccinerights.com > > The religious exemption letters would vary by state because typically you cite the state's law/regulation within the body of the letter. What state are you in? > > > > religious exemption > > > Hi All - > > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done. > > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? > > Thanks!! > > t > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Folks, Regarding religious exemptions, you have to review your state's statutes *and* regulations for starters, to get proper procedure for exercising a religious exemption in *your* state. Please note that many states have forms and don't require that you draft anything--but you may not find that out if you don't read the relevant regulations as well as the statutes (e.g., one state requires membership in an organized religion by statute, but the state health dept. designed a form that doesn't require applicants to state that, apparently aligning with non-binding federal legal precedent). Regarding those that do require you to write a statement of beliefs in opposition to the immunization requirements, what qualifies (or not) is determined by a combination of state statutes/regulations and federal legal precedent setting out rights under the First Amendment, and in a few states, there is applicable state precedent as well. So, one's geographical location and the specific circumstances determine what one's rights are. Since this can be complicated (especially when adding the question of how to best deal with local authorities), many people would benefit from a consultation with a knowledgeable attorney, as with any other important legal matter that's important to get right the first time. Beware of vaccine websites and books offering advice on this. Respectfully, virtually all anti-vaccine sites I've reviewed have a combination of accurate and misleading, if not outright inaccurate, information on vaccine exemption rights and procedure (sometimes appearing to mistake what they think our rights *should* be with what the actually *are*). The authors of this well-intended but often erroneous information just don't understand the law on this topic. I've seen this even from otherwise highly reputable people/sites (e.g. some with medical credentials) who have great information on health concerns associated with vaccines--but they just don't understand the legal side of it. My site, www.vaccinerights.com, has lots of free information from a licensed attorney who has studied the law on this topic for years and worked with dozens of clients (including attorneys) around the country--(me). It's the only site on the net dedicated to vaccine exemptions, and the only site with detailed, reliable information from someone with formal legal training who has researched the law on this for some years now. There are only 2 reliable sources I'm aware of for information that will enable lay people to really understand how the law works with religious exemptions--the NSF e-book on the topic (NSF's specialized version of my original e-book), or a consultation with one of the 2 or 3 attorneys in private practice in the US who include regularly vaccine exemption cases in their practices. Regretfully, there is no other written source of authoritative (i.e., accurate and reliable) information other than the e-book that I'm aware of; the other 2 attorneys are in NY, but regretfully, I can only recommend one as the other has received numerous complaints. See the NVIC website for referrals www.nvic.org. Yes, I'm blowing my own horn here...but for the benefit of all concerned, not just myself. If it helps, I went to law school out of my concern for vaccine issues; frankly, vaccine exemptions is not a money-maker (I wouldn't touch it if my goal were to maximize my income, which is why there's virtually no one else out there doing it, either), I don this because I'm committed to the cause. I do hope to turn my work in this area into a viable business if possible, though. This issue is important enough to spend some time, and some money if necessary, getting it right the first time. People have unnecessarily lost the exemption because of misunderstanding their rights, so I highly recommend that anyone concerned with vaccine religious exemptions take steps to understand how their rights work, and what the boundaries of those rights are. For example, in most states, the legal boundaries of those rights are not clearly defined, so it is important to understand why, and how to deal with that legal reality before stepping out and risking inadvertently undermining your exemption rights. I try to monitor this list, but don't see all posts. So, feel free to email me directly with religious exemption questions--and be sure to see www.vaccinerights.com, as there's lots of good (and reliable) information there. Thanks, Alan , Esq. P.O. Box 3473 Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473 attorney@... www.vaccinerights.com > > The religious exemption letters would vary by state because typically you cite the state's law/regulation within the body of the letter. What state are you in? > > > > religious exemption > > > Hi All - > > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done. > > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with? > > Thanks!! > > t > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 It is also best to act as if he has not received ANY vaccines at all. The ones who start them and stop are the ones who have the most trouble. Religious exemption Hi,I was interested in knowing if anyone has claimed religious exemption status for there children in public schools using the Congregation of Universal Order.I was concerned that it was viewed as not a bona fide religion due to some of the negative attention it received from that NY Times article a couple years ago.Please let me know your experiences. I am in NY.My son is entering kindergarten. He has had pain and arthritic symptoms in his legs since age 2 (although no diagnosis). He received Hep B at birth, no vaccines since.I am hoping and praying for no hassles upon kindergarten registration!catherine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 It is also best to act as if he has not received ANY vaccines at all. The ones who start them and stop are the ones who have the most trouble. Religious exemption Hi,I was interested in knowing if anyone has claimed religious exemption status for there children in public schools using the Congregation of Universal Order.I was concerned that it was viewed as not a bona fide religion due to some of the negative attention it received from that NY Times article a couple years ago.Please let me know your experiences. I am in NY.My son is entering kindergarten. He has had pain and arthritic symptoms in his legs since age 2 (although no diagnosis). He received Hep B at birth, no vaccines since.I am hoping and praying for no hassles upon kindergarten registration!catherine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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