Re: rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

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NO AUTISM FOR UNVACCINATED AMISH?

>> Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very> interested to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the> non-vaccinated population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be> interesting to see what the circumstances of its development in the> non-vaxed population were.> -Alison>

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NO AUTISM FOR UNVACCINATED AMISH?

>> Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very> interested to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the> non-vaccinated population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be> interesting to see what the circumstances of its development in the> non-vaxed population were.> -Alison>

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Where would one find enough non-vaccinated people? When comparisons are done, the recently vaccinated are compared with others who have been vaccinated, but not recently! This is modern "scientific medicine".

Barlow, W. et. al. 2001. “The risk of seizures after receipt of whole-cell pertussis or measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine” New England Journal of Medicine 345: 656-661.

Review by Helen TuckerBad Writing Can’t Save a Bad Study

The entire paper was a convoluted description of how Barlow et al whittled the 679,942 children they said they studied in the abstract, to the 624 children they actually did study. The procedure was so complex that they used up most of the “Methods” section to explain it, and then resorted to a flow chart to present the final sample size as one of the results of the study.

After identifying their sample size, the authors investigated vaccination status of the 624 seizure cases. Whether a child was vaccinated was defined as having received either the DPT or MMR within 30 days prior to first seizure. This meant the authors were comparing recently vaccinated to the non-recently vaccinated. The authors found it was more likely for a child to have a seizure, with fever, within 30 days of both the DPT and the MMR vaccines, than after 30 days of DPT and/or MMR. They did not find any increased risk for nonfebrile seizures for either vaccine, compared to the control group (the non-recently-vaccinated). Any increased risks were then downplayed by comparing study seizure rates with “background” seizure rates obtained from the same HMO’s.

The authors also conducted a follow-up study of some of the children who had had febrile first seizures within 30 days of receiving DPT and/or MMR. They concluded, “There are significantly elevated risks of febrile seizures after receipt of DTP vaccine or MMR vaccine, but these risks do not appear to be associated with any long-term, adverse consequences.” That is, there were no long-term differences between those who seized within 30 days of vaccination and those who seized after 30 days of vaccination.

This paper is so muddled that it is tempting to suspect that it is muddled on purpose, as if to obscure fundamental flaws in its design. However, in the end, the flaws are too monumental to hide behind a fog. A relative risk study should have never been retroactive in the first place–it would have been easier and more scientifically valid to follow children who were either vaccinated or not vaccinated. The risk ratios are meaningless without knowing how many study and control children did not have seizures. The control group itself was poorly distinguished from the study group (recently vaccinated vs. non-recently-vaccinated), especially in a long-term study. Inclusion in and exclusions from the study were inadequately justified, yielding a sample that cannot be considered representative–of anything. And perhaps the most glaring of all, the follow-up study excluded the most widely reported neurobehavioral diagnoses temporally associated with

vaccines: non-infantile autism and pervasive developmental disorders. Murkiness on details can’t hide errors this egregious.

Barlow et al wants us to believe that after studying 680,000 children, they found only a very mild risk of seizures immediately following the DPT and MMR vaccines, with no long-term side effects to worry about. Upon a closer look, we find simply that some of the 624 seizure cases the authors studied had been vaccinated recently, and some hadn’t.

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rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very interested to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the non-vaccinated population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be interesting to see what the circumstances of its development in the non-vaxed population were.

-Alison

[Guest guest]

Where would one find enough non-vaccinated people? When comparisons are done, the recently vaccinated are compared with others who have been vaccinated, but not recently! This is modern "scientific medicine".

Barlow, W. et. al. 2001. “The risk of seizures after receipt of whole-cell pertussis or measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine” New England Journal of Medicine 345: 656-661.

Review by Helen TuckerBad Writing Can’t Save a Bad Study

The entire paper was a convoluted description of how Barlow et al whittled the 679,942 children they said they studied in the abstract, to the 624 children they actually did study. The procedure was so complex that they used up most of the “Methods” section to explain it, and then resorted to a flow chart to present the final sample size as one of the results of the study.

After identifying their sample size, the authors investigated vaccination status of the 624 seizure cases. Whether a child was vaccinated was defined as having received either the DPT or MMR within 30 days prior to first seizure. This meant the authors were comparing recently vaccinated to the non-recently vaccinated. The authors found it was more likely for a child to have a seizure, with fever, within 30 days of both the DPT and the MMR vaccines, than after 30 days of DPT and/or MMR. They did not find any increased risk for nonfebrile seizures for either vaccine, compared to the control group (the non-recently-vaccinated). Any increased risks were then downplayed by comparing study seizure rates with “background” seizure rates obtained from the same HMO’s.

The authors also conducted a follow-up study of some of the children who had had febrile first seizures within 30 days of receiving DPT and/or MMR. They concluded, “There are significantly elevated risks of febrile seizures after receipt of DTP vaccine or MMR vaccine, but these risks do not appear to be associated with any long-term, adverse consequences.” That is, there were no long-term differences between those who seized within 30 days of vaccination and those who seized after 30 days of vaccination.

This paper is so muddled that it is tempting to suspect that it is muddled on purpose, as if to obscure fundamental flaws in its design. However, in the end, the flaws are too monumental to hide behind a fog. A relative risk study should have never been retroactive in the first place–it would have been easier and more scientifically valid to follow children who were either vaccinated or not vaccinated. The risk ratios are meaningless without knowing how many study and control children did not have seizures. The control group itself was poorly distinguished from the study group (recently vaccinated vs. non-recently-vaccinated), especially in a long-term study. Inclusion in and exclusions from the study were inadequately justified, yielding a sample that cannot be considered representative–of anything. And perhaps the most glaring of all, the follow-up study excluded the most widely reported neurobehavioral diagnoses temporally associated with

vaccines: non-infantile autism and pervasive developmental disorders. Murkiness on details can’t hide errors this egregious.

Barlow et al wants us to believe that after studying 680,000 children, they found only a very mild risk of seizures immediately following the DPT and MMR vaccines, with no long-term side effects to worry about. Upon a closer look, we find simply that some of the 624 seizure cases the authors studied had been vaccinated recently, and some hadn’t.

********************************************Republished with the kind permission of the author.Join the Blue Ribbon Online Free Speech Campaign!

rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very interested to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the non-vaccinated population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be interesting to see what the circumstances of its development in the non-vaxed population were.

-Alison

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There is a bill before the United States House of Representatives NOW.

Call, e-mail, and or write your Representatives IMMEDIATELY, asking them to support this bill: "HR 2832, Comprehensive Comparative Study of Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Populations Act of 2007." Ask them to urge their colleagues on both sides of the aisle to support this legislation.When you contact them, let them know that you will be monitoring their votes on this issue. Let them know this in no uncertain terms!!!

There are also two other bills currently before the House that are also important to our cause. You may also wish to let your Representatives know your opinions and ask them to support these other two bills, as well. These bills are:

"HR 581, Mercury-Free Vaccine Act of 2007," and "HR 1973, Vaccine Safety and Public Confidence Act of 2007."

We need to work very hard on getting the other toxic metals out of vaccines, as well, so you may desire to try convincing your representatives to add an ammendment stating that all other toxic metals must also be removed from vaccines--letting them know that the Mercury-Free legislation is a good start, but that it does not go nearly far enough. I have already contacted my Representative.

~~Ruth/REU

rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very interested to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the non-vaccinated population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be interesting to see what the circumstances of its development in the non-vaxed population were.

-Alison

[Guest guest]

There is a bill before the United States House of Representatives NOW.

Call, e-mail, and or write your Representatives IMMEDIATELY, asking them to support this bill: "HR 2832, Comprehensive Comparative Study of Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Populations Act of 2007." Ask them to urge their colleagues on both sides of the aisle to support this legislation.When you contact them, let them know that you will be monitoring their votes on this issue. Let them know this in no uncertain terms!!!

There are also two other bills currently before the House that are also important to our cause. You may also wish to let your Representatives know your opinions and ask them to support these other two bills, as well. These bills are:

"HR 581, Mercury-Free Vaccine Act of 2007," and "HR 1973, Vaccine Safety and Public Confidence Act of 2007."

We need to work very hard on getting the other toxic metals out of vaccines, as well, so you may desire to try convincing your representatives to add an ammendment stating that all other toxic metals must also be removed from vaccines--letting them know that the Mercury-Free legislation is a good start, but that it does not go nearly far enough. I have already contacted my Representative.

~~Ruth/REU

rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very interested to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the non-vaccinated population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be interesting to see what the circumstances of its development in the non-vaxed population were.

-Alison

[Guest guest]

Hullo Alison. Here is a pretty good link to answer your question about autism in unvacced kids. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL http://www.rescuepost.com/rescue_post/2007/09/america-meet-ou.html

[Guest guest]

Hullo Alison. Here is a pretty good link to answer your question about autism in unvacced kids. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL http://www.rescuepost.com/rescue_post/2007/09/america-meet-ou.html

[Guest guest]

Exactly. I want to know just how many of these kids in autism programs have NEVER been vaccinated? And their mothers did not get flu or Rhogam shots (or any other intrusive medical stuff while pregnant, ie: antidepressents) while pregnant. Where are all of them?

rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very interested to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the non-vaccinated population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be interesting to see what the circumstances of its development in the non-vaxed population were.

-Alison

[Guest guest]

Exactly. I want to know just how many of these kids in autism programs have NEVER been vaccinated? And their mothers did not get flu or Rhogam shots (or any other intrusive medical stuff while pregnant, ie: antidepressents) while pregnant. Where are all of them?

rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very interested to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the non-vaccinated population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be interesting to see what the circumstances of its development in the non-vaxed population were.

-Alison

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Please check this site to begin to learn some research in this important and

make sure you send this to all your email friends of interest on the subject.

Thank you.

Lucien Beauley

>From: Clemons <clemonsmary@...>

>Date: 2008/06/17 Tue PM 12:25:41 EDT

>no-forced-vaccination

>Subject: Re: rate of autism in non-vaccinated

population?

>

>Exactly. I want to know just how many of these kids in autism programs have

NEVER been vaccinated? And their mothers did not get flu or Rhogam shots (or any

other intrusive medical stuff while pregnant, ie: antidepressents) while

pregnant. Where are all of them?

>

> rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

>

>

>Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very interested

to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the non-vaccinated

population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be interesting to see what

the circumstances of its development in the non-vaxed population were. 

>-Alison

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[Guest guest]

Please check this site to begin to learn some research in this important and

make sure you send this to all your email friends of interest on the subject.

Thank you.

Lucien Beauley

>From: Clemons <clemonsmary@...>

>Date: 2008/06/17 Tue PM 12:25:41 EDT

>no-forced-vaccination

>Subject: Re: rate of autism in non-vaccinated

population?

>

>Exactly. I want to know just how many of these kids in autism programs have

NEVER been vaccinated? And their mothers did not get flu or Rhogam shots (or any

other intrusive medical stuff while pregnant, ie: antidepressents) while

pregnant. Where are all of them?

>

> rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

>

>

>Anyone know if any studies have been done on this? I would be very interested

to know how significantly different the rate of autism is in the non-vaccinated

population versus the vaccinated one. It would also be interesting to see what

the circumstances of its development in the non-vaxed population were. 

>-Alison

LEDs(Light Emitting Diodes), we are

told, will soon light our planet !

For Photos or Articles Visit: http://www.earthsource.blogspot.com/

http://www.xanga.com/beauley/

[Guest guest]

I do not have information on studies done, nor on rate of autism in

non-vaccinated populations, but I can offer what I know personally.

My family has a long line of high functioning autistics. I know my

grandparents were and from what I've learned my grandmother's

parents, and sisters. My mother and at least one of her 3 sisters is.

My 2 brothers, my sister and I am. Both my sister's children are, one

of my brother's two children are. My other brother never had

children, led a very secluded life. Out of my 9 kids, 5 are

definitely and I have suspicions of 3 others. One of my 4 grandkids

is decidely autistic.

Eight of my nine kids were never vaccinated. Three of my four

grandkids are non-vaccinated, including the one who is certainly

autistic.

I was heavily vaccinated as a child because we travelled to several

countries overseas.

I have not seen evidence of more severe autism with those who have

been vaccinated, which greatly surprises me.

Lolita

[Guest guest]

I do not have information on studies done, nor on rate of autism in

non-vaccinated populations, but I can offer what I know personally.

My family has a long line of high functioning autistics. I know my

grandparents were and from what I've learned my grandmother's

parents, and sisters. My mother and at least one of her 3 sisters is.

My 2 brothers, my sister and I am. Both my sister's children are, one

of my brother's two children are. My other brother never had

children, led a very secluded life. Out of my 9 kids, 5 are

definitely and I have suspicions of 3 others. One of my 4 grandkids

is decidely autistic.

Eight of my nine kids were never vaccinated. Three of my four

grandkids are non-vaccinated, including the one who is certainly

autistic.

I was heavily vaccinated as a child because we travelled to several

countries overseas.

I have not seen evidence of more severe autism with those who have

been vaccinated, which greatly surprises me.

Lolita

[Guest guest]

Hullo Lolita. Autism spectrum is fairly new to our vocabulary. I would have to question what you mean by high functioning autism, in generations back in your family. There are other things that could have happened, that are more genetic, and without name, until Now, when the spectrum word may be overused or a catch-all phrase. Some families have a higher incidence of, say...suicide. Is that an autisic disorder? Inability to cope with mainstream? And some families have a higher incident of alcoholism. which they are claiming to be somewhat inherited. Is that within the autism spectrum, inability to cope range? In my own family, known about back to my great-grandmother, there is a disorder without name, that has spanned 5 generations, and has effected many, with and without vaccinations. It is more like a social disease, that causes them to recoil from crowds, and they prefer to isolate

themselves. Most are being treated with drugs for it, or anti-depressants. Is that autism? I do not know. But along with this strange disorder, is a rare inherited disease called oculopharygeal muscular distrophy. Even those who did not get OPMD, with a 50/50 chance, have still gotten this social disorder. So no, I dont think all austism spectrum problems are all necessarily vaccine induced. There are probably many many reason for autism spectrum, genetics, birth defects, as well as toxin bourne. Am curious what your definition of high function autism is? Thanks! Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

Hullo Lolita. Autism spectrum is fairly new to our vocabulary. I would have to question what you mean by high functioning autism, in generations back in your family. There are other things that could have happened, that are more genetic, and without name, until Now, when the spectrum word may be overused or a catch-all phrase. Some families have a higher incidence of, say...suicide. Is that an autisic disorder? Inability to cope with mainstream? And some families have a higher incident of alcoholism. which they are claiming to be somewhat inherited. Is that within the autism spectrum, inability to cope range? In my own family, known about back to my great-grandmother, there is a disorder without name, that has spanned 5 generations, and has effected many, with and without vaccinations. It is more like a social disease, that causes them to recoil from crowds, and they prefer to isolate

themselves. Most are being treated with drugs for it, or anti-depressants. Is that autism? I do not know. But along with this strange disorder, is a rare inherited disease called oculopharygeal muscular distrophy. Even those who did not get OPMD, with a 50/50 chance, have still gotten this social disorder. So no, I dont think all austism spectrum problems are all necessarily vaccine induced. There are probably many many reason for autism spectrum, genetics, birth defects, as well as toxin bourne. Am curious what your definition of high function autism is? Thanks! Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

Thanks for sharing your family’s background

with autism. As for your parents, grand parents and so forth; how many

were vaccinated based on your understanding? This is an interesting

example of the “ancestry factor”. Even though 8 of 9 of your

kids and 3 of 4 of your grandchildren where not vaccinated, they my have a

stronger tendency to become autistic based on what has happened in previous

generations.

If we can consider Pottenger’s Cats

as an example; it’s safe to say that it may take about three generations

of your family line living a clean, healthy lifestyle before you’re out

of the woods with autism. Are there any other tendencies you’ve

seen other than autism?

In addition, this may go beyond

vaccinations. What other exposures to toxins could your ancestry have

been exposed to over the decades?

Curious,

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of Lolita

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:06

PM

To:

no-forced-vaccination

Subject:

Re: rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

I do not have information on studies done, nor on rate

of autism in

non-vaccinated populations, but I can offer what I know personally.

My family has a long line of high functioning autistics. I know my

grandparents were and from what I've learned my grandmother's

parents, and sisters. My mother and at least one of her 3 sisters is.

My 2 brothers, my sister and I am. Both my sister's children are, one

of my brother's two children are. My other brother never had

children, led a very secluded life. Out of my 9 kids, 5 are

definitely and I have suspicions of 3 others. One of my 4 grandkids

is decidely autistic.

Eight of my nine kids were never vaccinated. Three of my four

grandkids are non-vaccinated, including the one who is certainly

autistic.

I was heavily vaccinated as a child because we travelled to several

countries overseas.

I have not seen evidence of more severe autism with those who have

been vaccinated, which greatly surprises me.

Lolita

[Guest guest]

At 09:41 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:

Lolita,

Thanks for sharing your family’s background

with autism. As for your parents, grand parents and so forth; how

many were vaccinated based on your understanding? This is an

interesting example of the “ancestry factor”. Even though 8 of 9 of

your kids and 3 of 4 of your grandchildren where not vaccinated, they my

have a stronger tendency to become autistic based on what has happened in

previous generations.

If we can consider Pottenger’s Cats as an

example; it’s safe to say that it may take about three generations of

your family line living a clean, healthy lifestyle before you’re out of

the woods with autism. Are there any other tendencies you’ve seen

other than autism?

In addition, this may go beyond

vaccinations. What other exposures to toxins could your ancestry

have been exposed to over the decades?

Curious,

I do not know when vaccination started in my family. My mother is 74yo.

Tendencies? Hmm. Lazy eye. Stomach problems (diarrhea, in particularly,

constipation in some), but sore stomachs most of the time. I'm guessing

celiac problems, as I have a son who is and several kids who do better on

a gluten-free diet.

I also do not about other toxins. Grandpa worked in a foundry, and before

that a coal mine. Would have to be some toxins with these.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley

1849-1916

[Guest guest]

The only study done so far was a phone survey conducted by Generation

Rescue through a neutral third party. SUPPORT THE HOUSE BILL

RESOLUTION PREVIOUSLY POSTED.

http://www.generationrescue.org/survey_pr.html

For Immediate Release: Vaccinated Children Two and a Half Times More

Likely to Have Neurological Disorders Like ADHD and Autism, New Survey

in California and Oregon Finds.

PORTLAND, OR, Sep 25 2007

-- A new survey indicates a strong correlation between rates of

neurological disorders, such as ADHD and autism, and childhood

vaccinations.

The survey, commissioned by Generation Rescue, compared vaccinated and

unvaccinated children in nine counties in Oregon and California. Among

more than 9,000 boys age 4-17, the survey found vaccinated boys were

two and a half times (155%) more likely to have neurological disorders

compared to their unvaccinated peers. Vaccinated boys were 224% more

likely to have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), and

61% more likely to have autism.

For older vaccinated boys in the 11-17 age bracket, the results were

even more pronounced. Vaccinated boys were 158% more likely to have a

neurological disorder, 317% more likely to have ADHD, and 112% more

likely to have autism. Complete survey results are available at

www.GenerationRescue.org.

Generation Rescue commissioned the phone survey. Data was gathered by

SurveyUSA, a national market research firm, which surveyed parents by

phone on more than 17,000 children, ages 4-17, in five counties in

California (San Diego, Sonoma, Orange, Sacramento, and Marin) and four

counties in Oregon (Multnomah, n, , and Lane).

The survey asked parents whether their child had been vaccinated, and

whether that child had one or more of the following diagnoses:

Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome, Pervasive

Development Disorder -- Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS), or Autism.

The phone survey was chosen to mirror the methodology the Centers for

Disease Control (CDC) uses to establish national prevalence for

neurological disorders in their national phone survey.

Generation Rescue also ran a full-page advertisement in USA Today. The

ad compares the 36 pediatric vaccines the CDC recommends today to the

10 recommended in 1983, and asks, " Are We Over- Vaccinating Our Kids? "

" No one has ever compared prevalence rates of these neurological

disorders between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, " said J.B.

Handley, co-founder of Generation Rescue, whose son was diagnosed with

autism. " The phone survey isn't perfect, but these numbers point to

the need for a comprehensive national study to gather this critical

information. "

In Washington, Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) has been

advocating for such a survey. Co-sponsored by Rep. Maurice Hinchey

(D-NY) and Rep. Ron (R-TX), the " Comprehensive Comparative Study

of Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Population Act of 2006, " or H.R. 2832,

was introduced on June 22, and would require the National Institutes

of Health to complete this research.

" Generation Rescue's study is impressive and forcefully raises some

serious questions about the relationship between vaccines and autism.

What is ultimately needed to resolve this issue one way or the other

is a comprehensive national study of vaccinated and unvaccinated

children, " said Congresswoman Maloney. " The parents behind Generation

Rescue only want information. These parents deserve more than road

blocks, they deserve answers. We can and should move forward in search

of those answers. That's why I've introduced a common sense bill that

would require the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to conduct a

comprehensive, comparative study on the possible link between autism

and thimerosal. "

From 1983 to 2007, autism rates have climbed from 1 in 10,000 children

to 1 in 150 children, a growth rate of 6,000% (boys are significantly

more affected by neurological disorders, accounting for approximately

80% of all cases). ADHD currently affects 1 in 13 children. In the

same period, the CDC's recommended vaccine schedule more than tripled.

The simmering debate over the cause of childhood neurological

disorders shows no sign of cooling, but no study had ever been done to

look at unvaccinated children.

Handley, co-founder of Generation Rescue, adds, " Everyone working

with autism wants to identify the cause so we can focus on treatment

and prevention. A national study like HR 5940 could help end this

debate and focus all of our resources on helping our kids. Its time

has come, and we hope Congress will choose to put our children first. "

[Guest guest]

Just found this page

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/unvaxhealth.htm

It has many links to articles, quotes, etc. looking at vaxed vs unvaxed.

In addition, I forget which one of my newsletters (maybe NVIC or AVN?)

mentioned they HAVE formally proposed many times to deliver a large

sample size (I recall 30,000 but I could be wrong) of unvaccinated

children for study comparison and they have always been ignored!

best,

Liora in Beijing

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

Thanks for the quick reply. I do not

claim to have all the answers, but feel comfortable suggesting your ancestry

has more than just vaccines creating an ill-health environment.

Non-solicited advice: Grains and dairy

would be where I would start nutritionally. I’d stop consuming grains

completely for 2-4 weeks and see how you feel. If you notice you feel

better, I’d never eat grains again. Then move onto dairy and try

the same thing. In addition, I would suggest consuming no processed sugar

of any kind ever again…its poison.

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of Lolita Cook

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:00

PM

To:

no-forced-vaccination

Subject: RE:

Re: rate of autism in non-vaccinated population?

At 09:41 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:

Lolita,

Thanks for

sharing your familys background with autism. As for your parents,

grand parents and so forth; how many were vaccinated based on your

understanding? This is an interesting example of the ancestry

factor. Even though 8 of 9 of your kids and 3 of 4 of your

grandchildren where not vaccinated, they my have a stronger tendency to become

autistic based on what has happened in previous generations.

If we can

consider Pottengers Cats as an example; its safe to say that it may

take about three generations of your family line living a clean, healthy

lifestyle before youre out of the woods with autism. Are there any

other tendencies youve seen other than autism?

In addition,

this may go beyond vaccinations. What other exposures to toxins could

your ancestry have been exposed to over the decades?

Curious,

I do not know when vaccination started in my family. My mother is 74yo.

Tendencies? Hmm. Lazy eye. Stomach problems (diarrhea, in particularly,

constipation in some), but sore stomachs most of the time. I'm guessing celiac

problems, as I have a son who is and several kids who do better on a

gluten-free diet.

I also do not about other toxins. Grandpa worked in a foundry, and before that

a coal mine. Would have to be some toxins with these.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

Isn't it true that vaccines are changing our very DNA---much for the worse, and this damage is compounded generation after generation?In this way, your children's ASD issues may yet be linked to vaccine damage of their ancestors.Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumers Ron for President

[Guest guest]

Isn't it true that vaccines are changing our very DNA---much for the worse, and this damage is compounded generation after generation?In this way, your children's ASD issues may yet be linked to vaccine damage of their ancestors.Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumers Ron for President

[Guest guest]

Hmmm..

Interesting how there are many different ideas of what high

functioning autistics are..

I have thought that a high functioning autistic is one who has

special talents..say like..extremely bright in some areas.. I

believe it was Albert Einstein who is considered an Autistic

Sauvant..the idiot sauvant.. He was very bright but still had some

symptoms of Autism.. NO???

And what about the movie.. Rain Man.. Hoffman's

character....Wasn't he described by the doctor as high functioning???

Hmmm...

>

> >Hullo Lolita. Autism spectrum is fairly new to our vocabulary. I

> >would have to question what you mean by high functioning autism,

in

> >generations back in your family. There are other things that could

> >have happened, that are more genetic, and without name, until Now,

> >when the spectrum word may be overused or a catch-all phrase. Some

> >families have a higher incidence of, say...suicide. Is that an

> >autisic disorder? Inability to cope with mainstream?

> >And some families have a higher incident of alcoholism. which they

> >are claiming to be somewhat inherited. Is that within the autism

> >spectrum, inability to cope range?

> > In my own family, known about back to my great-grandmother,

there

> > is a disorder without name, that has spanned 5 generations, and

has

> > effected many, with and without vaccinations. It is more like a

> > social disease, that causes them to recoil from crowds, and they

> > prefer to isolate themselves. Most are being treated with drugs

> > for it, or anti-depressants. Is that autism? I do not know. But

> > along with this strange disorder, is a rare inherited disease

> > called oculopharygeal muscular distrophy. Even those who did not

> > get OPMD, with a 50/50 chance, have still gotten this social

disorder.

> > So no, I dont think all austism spectrum problems are all

> > necessarily vaccine induced. There are probably many many reason

> > for autism spectrum, genetics, birth defects, as well as toxin

bourne.

> > Am curious what your definition of high function autism is?

Thanks!

> >Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

>

> Social skill problems (social retardation is what I used to think

of

> my family), uncomfortable with changes, exhibits violent behavior

> when experiencing changes or anything unexpected, obsessive

interest,

> thinking others think exactly as they do, not being able to

conceive

> that others have different thoughts, difficulty with personal

space,

> eye avoidance or too much eye contact, over sensitivity to sounds,

> smells, lights, materials, not being able to " read " body language,

or

> innuendos, taking things literally, clumsiness, learning

differences,

> slow in some areas, but ahead in others. In general odd behaviors

> that others criticize, question or feel uncomfortable around.

>

> This is my definition of high functioning autism.

>

> I will tell you that I think there is a LOT of autism around. I

have

> not experienced it as a catch-all phrase. I think ADHD is being

used

> as a catch-all, and I believe that many autistics are labeled

> ADD/ADHD and medicated without reason.

>

> I think autism that is caused by vaccines is very likely different

> than the genetic form. I've had friends who watched their children

> suddenly become autistic after receiving a vaccine. I do believe

this

> is one cause, and I wonder if this cause is more severe?

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm..

Interesting how there are many different ideas of what high

functioning autistics are..

I have thought that a high functioning autistic is one who has

special talents..say like..extremely bright in some areas.. I

believe it was Albert Einstein who is considered an Autistic

Sauvant..the idiot sauvant.. He was very bright but still had some

symptoms of Autism.. NO???

And what about the movie.. Rain Man.. Hoffman's

character....Wasn't he described by the doctor as high functioning???

Hmmm...

>

> >Hullo Lolita. Autism spectrum is fairly new to our vocabulary. I

> >would have to question what you mean by high functioning autism,

in

> >generations back in your family. There are other things that could

> >have happened, that are more genetic, and without name, until Now,

> >when the spectrum word may be overused or a catch-all phrase. Some

> >families have a higher incidence of, say...suicide. Is that an

> >autisic disorder? Inability to cope with mainstream?

> >And some families have a higher incident of alcoholism. which they

> >are claiming to be somewhat inherited. Is that within the autism

> >spectrum, inability to cope range?

> > In my own family, known about back to my great-grandmother,

there

> > is a disorder without name, that has spanned 5 generations, and

has

> > effected many, with and without vaccinations. It is more like a

> > social disease, that causes them to recoil from crowds, and they

> > prefer to isolate themselves. Most are being treated with drugs

> > for it, or anti-depressants. Is that autism? I do not know. But

> > along with this strange disorder, is a rare inherited disease

> > called oculopharygeal muscular distrophy. Even those who did not

> > get OPMD, with a 50/50 chance, have still gotten this social

disorder.

> > So no, I dont think all austism spectrum problems are all

> > necessarily vaccine induced. There are probably many many reason

> > for autism spectrum, genetics, birth defects, as well as toxin

bourne.

> > Am curious what your definition of high function autism is?

Thanks!

> >Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

>

> Social skill problems (social retardation is what I used to think

of

> my family), uncomfortable with changes, exhibits violent behavior

> when experiencing changes or anything unexpected, obsessive

interest,

> thinking others think exactly as they do, not being able to

conceive

> that others have different thoughts, difficulty with personal

space,

> eye avoidance or too much eye contact, over sensitivity to sounds,

> smells, lights, materials, not being able to " read " body language,

or

> innuendos, taking things literally, clumsiness, learning

differences,

> slow in some areas, but ahead in others. In general odd behaviors

> that others criticize, question or feel uncomfortable around.

>

> This is my definition of high functioning autism.

>

> I will tell you that I think there is a LOT of autism around. I

have

> not experienced it as a catch-all phrase. I think ADHD is being

used

> as a catch-all, and I believe that many autistics are labeled

> ADD/ADHD and medicated without reason.

>

> I think autism that is caused by vaccines is very likely different

> than the genetic form. I've had friends who watched their children

> suddenly become autistic after receiving a vaccine. I do believe

this

> is one cause, and I wonder if this cause is more severe?

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>