Re: NOW and censorship WAS Pamper Petition

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I heard about and China having some sort of effort in collusion about monitoring people's e-mail a few years ago on Democracy now (independant media of course) The NATIONAL CONFERENCE FOR MEDIA REFORM is having their conference in Minneapolis in June, many legendary and respected journalist are attending.......I know as part of the program they will be speaking about the internet and tons of other important issues that we're not hearing the whole truth about..........I can't be there but I'll try to follow up on the discussions from LINKTV (independant media) All though US media would have us think the preparations for the Olympics in China are going as planned with minor distrubances.........I know that the people of China are trying to send their message of suffering out to the world and the risk of doing so is serious........I hope people see this and offer help..........Best wishes to you and stay in touch Jackie"Lourie (Liora) Pearlman" <lioracc@...> wrote: We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the task. But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. And check out the below news story

about turning over private emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the way, simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in prison....which is basically a death sentence.http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0641433320071107Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumers for President Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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I heard about and China having some sort of effort in collusion about monitoring people's e-mail a few years ago on Democracy now (independant media of course) The NATIONAL CONFERENCE FOR MEDIA REFORM is having their conference in Minneapolis in June, many legendary and respected journalist are attending.......I know as part of the program they will be speaking about the internet and tons of other important issues that we're not hearing the whole truth about..........I can't be there but I'll try to follow up on the discussions from LINKTV (independant media) All though US media would have us think the preparations for the Olympics in China are going as planned with minor distrubances.........I know that the people of China are trying to send their message of suffering out to the world and the risk of doing so is serious........I hope people see this and offer help..........Best wishes to you and stay in touch Jackie"Lourie (Liora) Pearlman" <lioracc@...> wrote: We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the task. But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. And check out the below news story

about turning over private emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the way, simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in prison....which is basically a death sentence.http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0641433320071107Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumers for President Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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[Guest guest]

I heard about and China having some sort of effort in collusion about monitoring people's e-mail a few years ago on Democracy now (independant media of course) The NATIONAL CONFERENCE FOR MEDIA REFORM is having their conference in Minneapolis in June, many legendary and respected journalist are attending.......I know as part of the program they will be speaking about the internet and tons of other important issues that we're not hearing the whole truth about..........I can't be there but I'll try to follow up on the discussions from LINKTV (independant media) All though US media would have us think the preparations for the Olympics in China are going as planned with minor distrubances.........I know that the people of China are trying to send their message of suffering out to the world and the risk of doing so is serious........I hope people see this and offer help..........Best wishes to you and stay in touch Jackie"Lourie (Liora) Pearlman" <lioracc@...> wrote: We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the task. But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. And check out the below news story

about turning over private emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the way, simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in prison....which is basically a death sentence.http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0641433320071107Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumers for President Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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[Guest guest]

I heard about and China having some sort of effort in collusion about monitoring people's e-mail a few years ago on Democracy now (independant media of course) The NATIONAL CONFERENCE FOR MEDIA REFORM is having their conference in Minneapolis in June, many legendary and respected journalist are attending.......I know as part of the program they will be speaking about the internet and tons of other important issues that we're not hearing the whole truth about..........I can't be there but I'll try to follow up on the discussions from LINKTV (independant media) All though US media would have us think the preparations for the Olympics in China are going as planned with minor distrubances.........I know that the people of China are trying to send their message of suffering out to the world and the risk of doing so is serious........I hope people see this and offer help..........Best wishes to you and stay in touch Jackie"Lourie (Liora) Pearlman" <lioracc@...> wrote: We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the task. But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. And check out the below news story

about turning over private emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the way, simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in prison....which is basically a death sentence.http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0641433320071107Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumers for President Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Are you an American living in China or a Chinese native?

That's very interesting.

NOW and censorship WAS Pamper Petition

We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the task. But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. And check out the below news story about turning over private emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a

man, who by the way, simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in prison....which is basically a death sentence.http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200 71107Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_ consumers for President

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[Guest guest]

Are you an American living in China or a Chinese native?

That's very interesting.

NOW and censorship WAS Pamper Petition

We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the task. But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. And check out the below news story about turning over private emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a

man, who by the way, simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in prison....which is basically a death sentence.http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200 71107Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_ consumers for President

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Hmmm... I use for all of my group emails. always tells you how many new emails you have, and sometimes is says no new emails, even though I have quite a few that haven't been looked at. It seems as though someone else is scanning them - and it is nobody from my house. It seems to happen a couple times a month. Anyone else experience this?

Jenn

NOW and censorship WAS Pamper Petition

We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the task. But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. And check out the below news story about turning over private emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a

man, who by the way, simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in prison....which is basically a death sentence.http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200 71107Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_ consumers for President

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Hmmm... I use for all of my group emails. always tells you how many new emails you have, and sometimes is says no new emails, even though I have quite a few that haven't been looked at. It seems as though someone else is scanning them - and it is nobody from my house. It seems to happen a couple times a month. Anyone else experience this?

Jenn

NOW and censorship WAS Pamper Petition

We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the task. But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. And check out the below news story about turning over private emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a

man, who by the way, simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in prison....which is basically a death sentence.http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200 71107Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_ consumers for President

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I think the mail service is horrid and I think it has to do more

with than being scanned, although nothing we send online is safe from

prying eyes.

Palmer wrote:

>

> Hmmm... I use for all of my group emails. always

> tells you how many new emails you have, and sometimes is says no new

> emails, even though I have quite a few that haven't been looked at. It

> seems as though someone else is scanning them - and it is nobody from

> my house. It seems to happen a couple times a month. Anyone else

> experience this?

>

> Jenn

>

>

>

> NOW and censorship WAS Pamper

> Petition

>

> We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting

> here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down

> mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the

> normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet

> info, even at one time CNN online, etc)

>

> Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet

> content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the

> task.

>

> But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt

> and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email

> directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even

> private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt

> agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide.

>

> And check out the below news story about turning over private

> emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the way,

> simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in

> prison....which is basically a death sentence.

>

> http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200 71107

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_ consumers

>

> for President

>

>

>

>

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> it now.

>

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[Guest guest]

I think the mail service is horrid and I think it has to do more

with than being scanned, although nothing we send online is safe from

prying eyes.

Palmer wrote:

>

> Hmmm... I use for all of my group emails. always

> tells you how many new emails you have, and sometimes is says no new

> emails, even though I have quite a few that haven't been looked at. It

> seems as though someone else is scanning them - and it is nobody from

> my house. It seems to happen a couple times a month. Anyone else

> experience this?

>

> Jenn

>

>

>

> NOW and censorship WAS Pamper

> Petition

>

> We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting

> here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down

> mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the

> normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet

> info, even at one time CNN online, etc)

>

> Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet

> content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the

> task.

>

> But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt

> and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email

> directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even

> private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt

> agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide.

>

> And check out the below news story about turning over private

> emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the way,

> simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in

> prison....which is basically a death sentence.

>

> http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200 71107

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_ consumers

>

> for President

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try

> it now.

>

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ypao8Wcj9tAcJ>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try

> it now.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I've had times where I couldn't get into my emails because it said

someone else was using it. I've found out that friends had their IP

addresses put on spam lists so I couldn't communicate with them.

I've had the email say that I had new mail numerous times and no new

mail was there. I also see the DOJ and the CDC monitoring my blog.

I translated my blog into Chinese and have seen that it's read in

Hong Kong and all sorts of places near China but it has never been

seen in China.

>

> Hmmm...  I use for all of my group emails. 

always tells you how many new emails you have, and sometimes is says

no new emails, even though I have quite a few that haven't been

looked at.  It seems as though someone else is scanning them - and it

is nobody from my house.  It seems to happen a couple times a month. 

Anyone else experience this?

> Jenn

>

>

>

> NOW and censorship WAS

Pamper Petition

>

>

> We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't

meeting here in Bayjing (sic).  That very week all services

shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--

even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like

blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)

>

> Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet

content rather seriously.  They have over 30k employees devoted to

the task. 

>

> But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt

and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email

directly into the Go vt's hands.  That is, I believe that now even

private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt

agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. 

>

> And check out the below news story about turning over private

emails to the CH govt.  This was in regards to a man, who by the way,

simply forwarded an email to human rights groups,  got 10 years in

prison....which is basically a death sentence.

>

> http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200

71107

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_ consumers

>

> for President

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

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Try it now.

>

>

>

______________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

I've had times where I couldn't get into my emails because it said

someone else was using it. I've found out that friends had their IP

addresses put on spam lists so I couldn't communicate with them.

I've had the email say that I had new mail numerous times and no new

mail was there. I also see the DOJ and the CDC monitoring my blog.

I translated my blog into Chinese and have seen that it's read in

Hong Kong and all sorts of places near China but it has never been

seen in China.

>

> Hmmm...  I use for all of my group emails. 

always tells you how many new emails you have, and sometimes is says

no new emails, even though I have quite a few that haven't been

looked at.  It seems as though someone else is scanning them - and it

is nobody from my house.  It seems to happen a couple times a month. 

Anyone else experience this?

> Jenn

>

>

>

> NOW and censorship WAS

Pamper Petition

>

>

> We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't

meeting here in Bayjing (sic).  That very week all services

shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--

even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like

blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)

>

> Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet

content rather seriously.  They have over 30k employees devoted to

the task. 

>

> But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt

and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email

directly into the Go vt's hands.  That is, I believe that now even

private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt

agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide. 

>

> And check out the below news story about turning over private

emails to the CH govt.  This was in regards to a man, who by the way,

simply forwarded an email to human rights groups,  got 10 years in

prison....which is basically a death sentence.

>

> http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200

71107

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_ consumers

>

> for President

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

>

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I'm a U.S. Citizen born and raised in the U.S. with a husband who speaks perfect Mandarin and several other Asian languages, he got a great job over here a few years back and now we live here. 5 years married, 4.5 of them living in China.Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumers for President

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hi, BestI just viewed your blog. All blogs are banned in Chi na and one has to go through a proxy to view, so the country of origin may show up as something else.I'm curious to know if mine registers as China. I am using Witopia personal VPN but although I can see restricted content, sites I visit which say where you are, always still say China as my country of origin.Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumers for President

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http://www.thewhyfiles.net/echelon.htm They can monitor anything thy

want here.

> > >

> > > Hmmm... I use for all of my group emails.

> > always tells you how many new emails you have, and sometimes is

says

> > no new emails, even though I have quite a few that haven't been

> > looked at. It seems as though someone else is scanning them - and

it

> > is nobody from my house. It seems to happen a couple times a

month.

> > Anyone else experience this?

> > > Jenn

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [no-forced-vaccinat ion] NOW and censorship WAS

> > Pamper Petition

> > >

> > >

> > > We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't

> > meeting here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services

> > shut down mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--

> > even by the normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like

> > blogs, Ti*bet info, even at one time CNN online, etc)

> > >

> > > Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet

> > content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to

> > the task.

> > >

> > > But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch

govt

> > and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and

email

> > directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even

> > private emails and group info is all being monitored by go

vt

> > agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably

worldwide.

> > >

> > > And check out the below news story about turning over

private

> > emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the

way,

> > simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in

> > prison....which is basically a death sentence.

> > >

> > > http://www.reuters. com/article/ businessNews/ idUSN06414333200

> > 71107

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Liora Pearlman

> > > Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> > > http://health. groups.. com/group/ beijing_organic_

consumers

> > >

> > > for President

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Mobile.

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A perfect example that makes me believe is capable of what is

being said here; happened to me just a few weeks ago. I have several

that I am a member of, and everyone that is vaccine related

including the one I moderate, in some way (this one included)

disappeared from my group list. All the other groups (which are

cyber-school related) were accessible. I sent a complaint e-mail to

basically accusing them of unsavory and illegal practices. Within

an hour my vaccine related groups were back. This is not the first time

that I have " lost " my vaccine (and autism) groups on .

It wouldn't surprise me at all if is working with the government

(any government, just name one) to monitor our activity on these boards.

DEB

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> We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting

here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down

mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the

normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info,

even at one time CNN online, etc)

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> Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet

content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the

task.

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> But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt

and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email

directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even

private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt

agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide.

>

> And check out the below news story about turning over private

emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the way,

simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in

prison....which is basically a death sentence.

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> http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0641433320071107

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> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> beijing_organic_consumers

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> for President

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[Guest guest]

A perfect example that makes me believe is capable of what is

being said here; happened to me just a few weeks ago. I have several

that I am a member of, and everyone that is vaccine related

including the one I moderate, in some way (this one included)

disappeared from my group list. All the other groups (which are

cyber-school related) were accessible. I sent a complaint e-mail to

basically accusing them of unsavory and illegal practices. Within

an hour my vaccine related groups were back. This is not the first time

that I have " lost " my vaccine (and autism) groups on .

It wouldn't surprise me at all if is working with the government

(any government, just name one) to monitor our activity on these boards.

DEB

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>

> We live in Chi na and a few weeks ago there was a big gov 't meeting

here in Bayjing (sic). That very week all services shut down

mysteriously and no groups or email could be retrieved--even by the

normal proxies we use (to reach banned material like blogs, Ti*bet info,

even at one time CNN online, etc)

>

> Well it's no secret that Chiena (sic) monitors incoming internet

content rather seriously. They have over 30k employees devoted to the

task.

>

> But it is my theory that made a special deal with the Ch govt

and needed that offline time to route all their CH groups and email

directly into the Go vt's hands. That is, I believe that now even

private emails and group info is all being monitored by go vt

agencies and, knowing , not only in CH but probably worldwide.

>

> And check out the below news story about turning over private

emails to the CH govt. This was in regards to a man, who by the way,

simply forwarded an email to human rights groups, got 10 years in

prison....which is basically a death sentence.

>

> http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0641433320071107

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beiing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> beijing_organic_consumers

>

> for President

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try

it now.

>