Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Hullo Jill. Who has mentioned or is telling people to leaving the country in the event of weaponized avian flu? http://www.the2012apocalypse.com/index.php/2008/07/21/avian-flu-weaponized?blog=2 (General Stubblebine mentioned in above article.) I will mention again that a pandemic is not a deadly disease, it is a world-wide breakout or occurance. So where would you go. that it wouldn't affect, potentially. At some point they are trying to make Canada, US and Mexico a single tri-lateral country. They already have designs for a new money for all three, when/if that happened. So Canada would be out, if that happened before any weaponized avian or other flu, or any other pandemic caused from weaponized outbreak. And if such a weaponized disease event happened, why do you think they would Let you leave the country? If marshal law is declared in such an event, that happened naturally or by weaponized terrorism, you wont have a choice. Vaccinate, with or without your cooperation, or go to jail, or be eliminated? Start digging that hole in the side of a mountain, and stocking it with food and water. Make sure the door to it is concealed and impenitrable, wont flood, has survival tools and supplies, has radio/battery, has light, and air! And no Bears! Dont forget a deck of cards. Yeah Right. Oh boy. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Hullo Jill. Who has mentioned or is telling people to leaving the country in the event of weaponized avian flu? http://www.the2012apocalypse.com/index.php/2008/07/21/avian-flu-weaponized?blog=2 (General Stubblebine mentioned in above article.) I will mention again that a pandemic is not a deadly disease, it is a world-wide breakout or occurance. So where would you go. that it wouldn't affect, potentially. At some point they are trying to make Canada, US and Mexico a single tri-lateral country. They already have designs for a new money for all three, when/if that happened. So Canada would be out, if that happened before any weaponized avian or other flu, or any other pandemic caused from weaponized outbreak. And if such a weaponized disease event happened, why do you think they would Let you leave the country? If marshal law is declared in such an event, that happened naturally or by weaponized terrorism, you wont have a choice. Vaccinate, with or without your cooperation, or go to jail, or be eliminated? Start digging that hole in the side of a mountain, and stocking it with food and water. Make sure the door to it is concealed and impenitrable, wont flood, has survival tools and supplies, has radio/battery, has light, and air! And no Bears! Dont forget a deck of cards. Yeah Right. Oh boy. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 EXCELLENT WEBSITE ON STATE OF AFFAIRS: IE MILITARY STATE NWO AND COMING WORLD WAR III ITS HERE SO WE MIGHT AS WELL KNOW AS MUCH AS WE CAN:)GOD BLESS YOU ALL!http://PirateNews.org--- On Wed, 7/23/08, karla walsh <faerie1952@...> wrote:From: karla walsh <faerie1952@...>Subject: Re: weaponized avian fluno-forced-vaccination Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 4:00 PM Hullo Jill. Who has mentioned or is telling people to leaving the country in the event of weaponized avian flu? http://www.the2012a pocalypse. com/index. php/2008/ 07/21/avian- flu-weaponized? blog=2 (General Stubblebine mentioned in above article.) I will mention again that a pandemic is not a deadly disease, it is a world-wide breakout or occurance. So where would you go. that it wouldn't affect, potentially. At some point they are trying to make Canada, US and Mexico a single tri-lateral country. They already have designs for a new money for all three, when/if that happened. So Canada would be out, if that happened before any weaponized avian or other flu, or any other pandemic caused from weaponized outbreak. And if such a weaponized disease event happened, why do you think they would Let you leave the country? If marshal law is declared in such an event, that happened naturally or by weaponized terrorism, you wont have a choice. Vaccinate, with or without your cooperation, or go to jail, or be eliminated? Start digging that hole in the side of a mountain, and stocking it with food and water. Make sure the door to it is concealed and impenitrable, wont flood, has survival tools and supplies, has radio/battery, has light, and air! And no Bears! Dont forget a deck of cards. Yeah Right. Oh boy. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 EXCELLENT WEBSITE ON STATE OF AFFAIRS: IE MILITARY STATE NWO AND COMING WORLD WAR III ITS HERE SO WE MIGHT AS WELL KNOW AS MUCH AS WE CAN:)GOD BLESS YOU ALL!http://PirateNews.org--- On Wed, 7/23/08, karla walsh <faerie1952@...> wrote:From: karla walsh <faerie1952@...>Subject: Re: weaponized avian fluno-forced-vaccination Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 4:00 PM Hullo Jill. Who has mentioned or is telling people to leaving the country in the event of weaponized avian flu? http://www.the2012a pocalypse. com/index. php/2008/ 07/21/avian- flu-weaponized? blog=2 (General Stubblebine mentioned in above article.) I will mention again that a pandemic is not a deadly disease, it is a world-wide breakout or occurance. So where would you go. that it wouldn't affect, potentially. At some point they are trying to make Canada, US and Mexico a single tri-lateral country. They already have designs for a new money for all three, when/if that happened. So Canada would be out, if that happened before any weaponized avian or other flu, or any other pandemic caused from weaponized outbreak. And if such a weaponized disease event happened, why do you think they would Let you leave the country? If marshal law is declared in such an event, that happened naturally or by weaponized terrorism, you wont have a choice. Vaccinate, with or without your cooperation, or go to jail, or be eliminated? Start digging that hole in the side of a mountain, and stocking it with food and water. Make sure the door to it is concealed and impenitrable, wont flood, has survival tools and supplies, has radio/battery, has light, and air! And no Bears! Dont forget a deck of cards. Yeah Right. Oh boy. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 That's a tough one. I'm assuming that if you try to leave in response, you're just going to be quarantined considering that's what someone would do if they panicked and there actually was a deadly avian flu pandemic. That's exactly what causes a disease to spread faster, and it's the nature of a quarantine. I'm also not sure running the situation now is going to solve anything either. If the government of the US is able to do this to us, then the rest of the world isn't going to be far behind. Globalization isn't out of reach for anything these days. The best thing we can do is fight it as long as we can. =) Giving up is just going to cause a whole new set of problems. MattOn Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Jill Franz <nutrition.jill@...> wrote: we are told to leave the country in case of a pandemic due to the weaponized avian flu. Where can one go where there will not be forced vaccinations? does anyone know if Canada would be safe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 That's a tough one. I'm assuming that if you try to leave in response, you're just going to be quarantined considering that's what someone would do if they panicked and there actually was a deadly avian flu pandemic. That's exactly what causes a disease to spread faster, and it's the nature of a quarantine. I'm also not sure running the situation now is going to solve anything either. If the government of the US is able to do this to us, then the rest of the world isn't going to be far behind. Globalization isn't out of reach for anything these days. The best thing we can do is fight it as long as we can. =) Giving up is just going to cause a whole new set of problems. MattOn Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Jill Franz <nutrition.jill@...> wrote: we are told to leave the country in case of a pandemic due to the weaponized avian flu. Where can one go where there will not be forced vaccinations? does anyone know if Canada would be safe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Although I agree with you, Karla, and yes! forget about Canada and Mexico [and probably a good many other places], Dr. Laibow's Alert has been galloping around the Internet [excerpt below], which is probably where people got the idea they'd better leave the US.Love to us all, and *very* best wishes....Viviane===========Excerpt fromhttp://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?p=742Weaponized Avian Flu: Are YOU Ready to Die for the Establishment?Weaponized Avian Flu Intelligence Report [This is a copy of Dr. Laibow’s eAlert of July 19, 2008]>>The Natural Solutions Foundation gets information from all over the world. Our friends are inside of corporations and outside of them, inside of governments and outside of them, inside of news media and outside of them. We hear things early and we WILL let you know what we are hearing as soon as we hear it.That means that you need to open our emails when you get them and at least skim them. It also means that you should share the fact that there are free Health Freedom eAlerts for which other people need to be watching, as well. They need to be on the list so they can have early warning as well. Send everyone you know this link,http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?page_id=187,and ask them to join the free distribution list. It’s very good insurance: it costs nothing but can save lives.There are two other lists you need to join to stay informed and empowered. The first is our powerful and vibrant No-Forced-Vaccines Forum at no-forced-vaccination/joinThe second list is about GM “foods”. Check out Natural Solutions Foundation’s Trustee Ralph Fucetola’s most recent blog on the topic, http://vitaminlawyerhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/2008/07/five-action-steps-to-protect-from-gmos.htmlOrganic foods may be expensive: cancer is a lot more expensive. So is forced sterility. So are lethal allergies.Since Genetically Modified “food” is so omnipresent in the food supply and so very dangerous, find out what you can do about it, and how to avoid it, by joining the Natural Solutions Foundation No GMO Group: no-genetically-modified-foods/joinStep Three is to develop your “exit strategy.” Once the Pandemic drums start beating, it is time to get out of the US until the insanity is past. Where to go? That is a matter of personal decision. If you do not have a passport, you cannot go anywhere. Get one.If you do not have a plan, you will not go anywhere. Make one.Come visit us in Panama, for example, in the lovely Valley of the Moon. Go to some place sane and stay there with your kids while this insanity swirls around. No one knows what the vaccines will contain or what they will do. If you want to play roulette with the intent of the vaccine makers, that is your choice. I have my passport to hand and I will use it. I hope you will, too.The Valley of the Moon: http://www.naturalsolutionsfoundation.org<<On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:00 AM, karla walsh wrote:Hullo Jill. Who has mentioned or is telling people to leaving the country in the event of weaponized avian flu?http://www.the2012apocalypse.com/index.php/2008/07/21/avian-flu-weaponized?blog=2(General Stubblebine mentioned in above article.) I will mention again that a pandemic is not a deadly disease, it is a world-wide breakout or occurance. So where would you go. that it wouldn't affect, potentially. At some point they are trying to make Canada, US and Mexico a single tri-lateral country. They already have designs for a new money for all three, when/if that happened. So Canada would be out, if that happened before any weaponized avian or other flu, or any other pandemic caused from weaponized outbreak. And if such a weaponized disease event happened, why do you think they wouldLet you leave the country? If marshal law is declared in such an event, that happened naturally or by weaponized terrorism, you wont have a choice. Vaccinate, with or without your cooperation, or go to jail, or be eliminated? Start digging that hole in the side of a mountain, and stocking it with food and water. Make sure the door to it is concealed and impenitrable, wont flood, has survival tools and supplies, has radio/battery, has light, and air! And no Bears! Dont forget a deck of cards. Yeah Right.Oh boy. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Although I agree with you, Karla, and yes! forget about Canada and Mexico [and probably a good many other places], Dr. Laibow's Alert has been galloping around the Internet [excerpt below], which is probably where people got the idea they'd better leave the US.Love to us all, and *very* best wishes....Viviane===========Excerpt fromhttp://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?p=742Weaponized Avian Flu: Are YOU Ready to Die for the Establishment?Weaponized Avian Flu Intelligence Report [This is a copy of Dr. Laibow’s eAlert of July 19, 2008]>>The Natural Solutions Foundation gets information from all over the world. Our friends are inside of corporations and outside of them, inside of governments and outside of them, inside of news media and outside of them. We hear things early and we WILL let you know what we are hearing as soon as we hear it.That means that you need to open our emails when you get them and at least skim them. It also means that you should share the fact that there are free Health Freedom eAlerts for which other people need to be watching, as well. They need to be on the list so they can have early warning as well. Send everyone you know this link,http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?page_id=187,and ask them to join the free distribution list. It’s very good insurance: it costs nothing but can save lives.There are two other lists you need to join to stay informed and empowered. The first is our powerful and vibrant No-Forced-Vaccines Forum at no-forced-vaccination/joinThe second list is about GM “foods”. Check out Natural Solutions Foundation’s Trustee Ralph Fucetola’s most recent blog on the topic, http://vitaminlawyerhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/2008/07/five-action-steps-to-protect-from-gmos.htmlOrganic foods may be expensive: cancer is a lot more expensive. So is forced sterility. So are lethal allergies.Since Genetically Modified “food” is so omnipresent in the food supply and so very dangerous, find out what you can do about it, and how to avoid it, by joining the Natural Solutions Foundation No GMO Group: no-genetically-modified-foods/joinStep Three is to develop your “exit strategy.” Once the Pandemic drums start beating, it is time to get out of the US until the insanity is past. Where to go? That is a matter of personal decision. If you do not have a passport, you cannot go anywhere. Get one.If you do not have a plan, you will not go anywhere. Make one.Come visit us in Panama, for example, in the lovely Valley of the Moon. Go to some place sane and stay there with your kids while this insanity swirls around. No one knows what the vaccines will contain or what they will do. If you want to play roulette with the intent of the vaccine makers, that is your choice. I have my passport to hand and I will use it. I hope you will, too.The Valley of the Moon: http://www.naturalsolutionsfoundation.org<<On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:00 AM, karla walsh wrote:Hullo Jill. Who has mentioned or is telling people to leaving the country in the event of weaponized avian flu?http://www.the2012apocalypse.com/index.php/2008/07/21/avian-flu-weaponized?blog=2(General Stubblebine mentioned in above article.) I will mention again that a pandemic is not a deadly disease, it is a world-wide breakout or occurance. So where would you go. that it wouldn't affect, potentially. At some point they are trying to make Canada, US and Mexico a single tri-lateral country. They already have designs for a new money for all three, when/if that happened. So Canada would be out, if that happened before any weaponized avian or other flu, or any other pandemic caused from weaponized outbreak. And if such a weaponized disease event happened, why do you think they wouldLet you leave the country? If marshal law is declared in such an event, that happened naturally or by weaponized terrorism, you wont have a choice. Vaccinate, with or without your cooperation, or go to jail, or be eliminated? Start digging that hole in the side of a mountain, and stocking it with food and water. Make sure the door to it is concealed and impenitrable, wont flood, has survival tools and supplies, has radio/battery, has light, and air! And no Bears! Dont forget a deck of cards. Yeah Right.Oh boy. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 That was an approach I was thinking about myself. " I want a written guarantee that this won't harm my child. " (should I have one.) It's nice to see some feedback on that before I even suggested it. =) How has the school reacted to this, or are they home schooled? On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:03 PM, <lauramendrin@...> wrote: Is it just me or does everyone agree that the ONLY Influenza pandemic to date was actually and factually caused by the vaccine itself! Why can't joe public see and admit this? I guess the morjority of people do not want to take the responsibility of their own care. It's easier to let a so called " higher " authority take the blame if something goes wrong.....wait...the government is taking the " blame " away from themselves and Big Pharma now too! Maybe people will finally wake up. One thing I have done with my children when a doctor or nurse tells us that they are " VERY behind on their vaccinations and that they can get them completely caught up and include the flu vaccine all right now in one day " I ask them to put, IN WRITING and SIGN stating that they PERSONALLY guarantee, that NO harm or illness, now or in the future will come to my child because of the vaccinations. I have had many shocked faces, stuttering protests of how thats impossible and they can't take that responsibility. I then tell them that if they can be responsible for giving it they shoud be responsible for the outcome. To this day, I have never had a rebuttal on that one. By the way my children are 16 and 19 and they are still trying to convince us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 That was an approach I was thinking about myself. " I want a written guarantee that this won't harm my child. " (should I have one.) It's nice to see some feedback on that before I even suggested it. =) How has the school reacted to this, or are they home schooled? On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:03 PM, <lauramendrin@...> wrote: Is it just me or does everyone agree that the ONLY Influenza pandemic to date was actually and factually caused by the vaccine itself! Why can't joe public see and admit this? I guess the morjority of people do not want to take the responsibility of their own care. It's easier to let a so called " higher " authority take the blame if something goes wrong.....wait...the government is taking the " blame " away from themselves and Big Pharma now too! Maybe people will finally wake up. One thing I have done with my children when a doctor or nurse tells us that they are " VERY behind on their vaccinations and that they can get them completely caught up and include the flu vaccine all right now in one day " I ask them to put, IN WRITING and SIGN stating that they PERSONALLY guarantee, that NO harm or illness, now or in the future will come to my child because of the vaccinations. I have had many shocked faces, stuttering protests of how thats impossible and they can't take that responsibility. I then tell them that if they can be responsible for giving it they shoud be responsible for the outcome. To this day, I have never had a rebuttal on that one. By the way my children are 16 and 19 and they are still trying to convince us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 My children went to our churces private school through 6th grade where I was able to sign a simple waiver (california). Then on to an independent study program with a wonderful "mountain district" I have to get an interdistrict transfer but they have never asked for their vaccination record and I won't ask why. We use a chiropractor/kinesiologist/nutritionist for most things. He is completely against vaccines. All other, broken bones, stitches, etc. we have to fight with the med field.OFTHEBORG <oftheborg@...> wrote: That was an approach I was thinking about myself. "I want a written guarantee that this won't harm my child." (should I have one.) It's nice to see some feedback on that before I even suggested it. =) How has the school reacted to this, or are they home schooled? On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:03 PM, <lauramendrinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Is it just me or does everyone agree that the ONLY Influenza pandemic to date was actually and factually caused by the vaccine itself! Why can't joe public see and admit this? I guess the morjority of people do not want to take the responsibility of their own care. It's easier to let a so called "higher" authority take the blame if something goes wrong.....wait...the government is taking the "blame" away from themselves and Big Pharma now too! Maybe people will finally wake up.One thing I have done with my children when a doctor or nurse tells us that they are "VERY behind on their vaccinations and that they can get them completely caught up and include the flu vaccine all right now in one day" I ask them to put, IN WRITING and SIGN stating that they PERSONALLY guarantee, that NO harm or illness, now or in the future will come to my child because of the vaccinations. I have had many shocked faces, stuttering protests of how thats impossible and they can't take that responsibility. I then tell them that if they can be responsible for giving it they shoud be responsible for the outcome. To this day, I have never had a rebuttal on that one. By the way my children are 16 and 19 and they are still trying to convince us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 My children went to our churces private school through 6th grade where I was able to sign a simple waiver (california). Then on to an independent study program with a wonderful "mountain district" I have to get an interdistrict transfer but they have never asked for their vaccination record and I won't ask why. We use a chiropractor/kinesiologist/nutritionist for most things. He is completely against vaccines. All other, broken bones, stitches, etc. we have to fight with the med field.OFTHEBORG <oftheborg@...> wrote: That was an approach I was thinking about myself. "I want a written guarantee that this won't harm my child." (should I have one.) It's nice to see some feedback on that before I even suggested it. =) How has the school reacted to this, or are they home schooled? On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:03 PM, <lauramendrinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Is it just me or does everyone agree that the ONLY Influenza pandemic to date was actually and factually caused by the vaccine itself! Why can't joe public see and admit this? I guess the morjority of people do not want to take the responsibility of their own care. It's easier to let a so called "higher" authority take the blame if something goes wrong.....wait...the government is taking the "blame" away from themselves and Big Pharma now too! Maybe people will finally wake up.One thing I have done with my children when a doctor or nurse tells us that they are "VERY behind on their vaccinations and that they can get them completely caught up and include the flu vaccine all right now in one day" I ask them to put, IN WRITING and SIGN stating that they PERSONALLY guarantee, that NO harm or illness, now or in the future will come to my child because of the vaccinations. I have had many shocked faces, stuttering protests of how thats impossible and they can't take that responsibility. I then tell them that if they can be responsible for giving it they shoud be responsible for the outcome. To this day, I have never had a rebuttal on that one. By the way my children are 16 and 19 and they are still trying to convince us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 People following this thread will want to see this very short video. I subscribe to Citizen Patriot's videos, and he is very up to date on the happenings right now. > > we are told to leave the country in case of a pandemic due to the weaponized avian flu. Where can one go where there will not be forced vaccinations? does anyone know if Canada would be safe? > > Parents vindicated for questioning mental health screening > > Pioneer > Press > Minnesota to get $4 > million in Bristol-Myers Squibb settlementLink: http://www.twinciti es.com/ci_ 9961621 > By Bjorhus > Jul. 22, 2008 > Pharmaceutical giant Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. is paying Minnesota > $4.35 million to settle allegations of Medicaid fraud, the state Attorney > General's office announced Tuesday. > The Minnesota payment is part of a $515 million settlement the U.S. Department > of Justice reached with New York-based Bristol-Myers last fall regarding > Medicaid overpayments, the company said. Minnesota joined the settlement along > with 42 other states. > > The settlement resolved allegations that between the 1990s and 2005 > Bristol-Myers and its former subsidiary Apothecon Inc. inflated prices for > various prescription drugs covered by Medicaid, bribed doctors and health care > providers to buy products and promoted using an antipsychotic drug called Abilify > to treat children and dementia-related psychosis, which are uses the Food and > Drug Administration hasn't approved. The company was also accused of > misreporting sales of an antidepressant called Serzone. > > ________________________________ > > Tri-City > Herald > State to get $6.8 > million settlement from company Link: http://www.tri- cityherald. com/1186/ story/248026. html > By Ingrid Stegemoeller > Jul. 22, 2008 > Washington state will receive nearly $6.8 million from > Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. and its former subsidiary Apothecon Inc., to settle > allegations of illegal marketing and pricing of prescription medications, > according to the state Attorney General's office. > About $389 million plus interest will be paid out to 43 states, > the District of Columbia and the federal government to compensate Medicaid > programs that were overcharged for medications. > > ________________________________ > > Southtown > Star > Parents vindicated for > questioning mental health screening processLink: http://tinyurl. com/6ck3kd > Fran Eaton > July 23, 2008 > Paranoid. > Schizophrenic. Obsessive. Compulsive. Those are words normally used to describe > mental health disorders. But just last year they were used disparagingly to > describe Illinois parents who wanted to be notified before their children > underwent mental health screenings at school. > They've got to feel > vindicated this week because the state of Illinois received $10 million from > the huge drug conglomerate Bristol-Myers Squibb. It was Illinois' portion of a > $515 million lawsuit settling a broad array of civil allegations involving Bristol-Myers' > drug marketing and pricing practices. > The U.S. Department of > Justice alleged for four years Bristol-Myers pushed their antipsychotic drug > Abilify onto child psychiatrists and pediatric specialists to use on children > before the Federal Drug Administration authorized its use on minors. > The company also allegedly > instructed its sales force to sell Abilify to nursing home providers for use on > dementia patients, even though the FDA had approved it only for treating > schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. They also were accused of overcharging the > drugs to Medicaid. The company did not admit wrongdoing, but agreed to pay out > $515 million. > Those paranoid parents don't seem so obsessive today. The Bristol-Myers > settlement points again to the need for parents to be closely involved before > their child's mental health status is scrutinized by school staff. > In a growing number of > Illinois high schools, a computerized screening system called TeenScreen asks > 14 through 18-year-olds personal questions such as " Have you often felt > very nervous when you've had to do things in front of people? " or > " Have you often worried a lot before you were going to play a sport or > game or do some other activity? " > TeenScreen then asks a couple of zingers, including " Have you ever tried to > kill yourself? " The students' answers may determine whether they are > referred for professional help or passed into normalcy with flying colors. > TeenScreen is sold to school > systems and parents as a tool to detect depression and prevent suicide, the > third leading cause of death in youth aged 15 to 24. > But the National Alliance for > Mental Illinois blames intrusive parents for driving up the stigma surrounding > mental health. Those moms and dads opposed to TeenScreen's private questions > are involved in " campaigns of misinformation designed to stir up fear, > confusion and outrage. " > Those who say parental notice > isn't required now are misrepresenting the truth, NAMI says. > " Contrary to the claims > of those attacking the TeenScreen program, the TeenScreen program requires > parental consent and teen assent to participate before any screening can be > done, " the NAMI Web site says. " It does not provide a diagnosis nor > does the screening result in a child receiving psychotropic medication. > Instead, it identifies teens that may be at risk and works with the family to > link them with a mental health professional for an evaluation. " > That's not exactly how > smoothly the system worked with one family in neighboring Indiana. > Because Mike and > Rhoades were unaware in 2005 their 15-year-old daughter was being screened for > mental health issues at school, they were shocked when she came home from > school asking about obsessive-compulsiv e disorder and social anxiety disorder. > Their shock turned to anger when the Rhoadeses learned Chelsea's curiosity was > stirred because she had gone through TeenScreen's system and been told that day > that she had mental health issues. > The Indiana school said all > parents were notified about the testing and unless they had sent back written > rejection of the screening, they assumed the parents approved. The Rhoadeses > say they never saw the original notification and therefore could not reject the > testing. That's a system called " passive permission. " > Anyone with teens in the > house knows such a loose system of communication between school and home is > totally unacceptable. Most parents want active consent when it comes to their > children's health care. > In Illinois, parents are left > to deal with the after effects when they've been left out of the screening > process. Illinois law goes so far as to allow a minor to see a mental health > counselor up to six times before parents are notified. > State Rep.. Patti Bellock > (R-Westmont) said Bristol-Myers' questionable sales tactics and alleged > practice of overcharging Medicaid points to an even larger, more troubling > issue. > " This really calls into > question their business ethics. We hear of dishonest practices in accounting > and stock investing, and that's bad enough. But when you're dealing with > people's physical or mental health or even their lives, this is very important > and extremely serious, " Bellock said. > Bellock said she's willing to > push for parental consent before mental health screenings take place again next > year, but that unless legislators are convinced parents need to be involved, > nothing will happen. > You know those paranoid, > schizophrenic and overprotective moms and dads who will keep fighting to > protect their kids from compulsive, obsessive drug companies. > God bless 'em. > Fran Eaton is a south > suburban resident, a conservative activist in state and national politics and > an online journalist. She can be reached at featon@illinoisrevi ew.com. > > ________________________________ > > PharmExec > Direct > Bristol Meyers Squibb Settlement Cash > DistributedLink: http://tinyurl. com/6lhkmk > Jul 23, 2008 > > Time to divvy up the cash. Last week, the 44 states involved in a massive > lawsuit against Bristol Meyers Squibb for illegal off-label marketing of its > anti-psychotic drug Abilify have begun distributing monies collected from the > $515 million settlement. > > Of the states that have begun seeing checks: Missouri will be receiving $11 > million, the Massachusetts Medicaid program will take $9 million, Indiana will > see $2 million, Georgia will get $12 million, and Delaware expects about a $1 > million. > > While some are pleased that the settlement is leading to financial reparations, > others are concerned that these illegal off-label practices will continue. > > " The allegations were that these companies not only engaged in a pattern > of kickbacks and false reporting to drive up both the sales and prices for its > drugs, they also encouraged healthcare providers to prescribe a potent drug to > both children and seniors for uses that had not been approved by the FDA, " > Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker stated in a release. > > BMS also agreed last week to pay New York City $7.5 million, and the state of > New York $40 million for inflating wholesale prices of its drugs. The > settlement stems from a 2004 lawsuit brought by the city against 44 > pharmaceutical companies. > > " This lawsuit is one of several that the city brought in an effort to rein > in the widespread fraudulent practices that unlawfully inflate the city's > Medicaid costs, " said Cardozo, corporation counsel of the City of > New York. " The settlement will return to the city almost the full value of > its claims against Bristol-Myers Squibb. We are pleased at the successful > resolution reached with one of the defendants, and hope to reach similarly > successful resolutions with others. " > > ________________________________ > > What > about your State? > If your state > is not listed below, contact your own State Attorney > General here: http://www.naag. org/attorneys_ general.php , ask for > the Media Relations person and then ask for the press > release (or the settlement dollar amount) on the Bristol-Myers > Squibb settlement for illegally promoting their antipsychotic drug > Abilify for use in kids and the elderly. > > Then flip > the press release to your local newspaper. Note: Word has it that Alabama, > Alaska, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wisconsindid not participate. > > See articles > here: http://tmap. wordpress. com/ > > Arkansas $1.3 million > California $23 million > Connecticut $1.9 million > Delaware $1.1 million > Florida $21.5 million > Georgia $12.1 million > Idaho $1.7 million > Illinois $10 million > Indiana $2.2 million > Kansas $3 million > Kentucky $3 million > Maine $829,862 > land $2.3 million > Massachusetts $9.2 million > Minnesota $4.35 million > Missouri $11 million > Nebraska $3.2 million > New Hampshire $1.2 million > New York $40 million > North Carolina $14.8 million > NYC $7.5 million > Ohio $6.5 million > Oregon $3 million > South Dakota $700,000 > Texas $15.7 million > Vermont $318,963 > Washington $6.8 million > > > ________________________________ > > 27,407 > Signatures Against TeenScreen. Petition: http://www.petition online.com/ TScreen/petition .html > Video: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=RfU9puZQKBY > > If you > would rather not receive the latest news via this e-mail line, please send a > message to > Psych_News@psychsea rch.netwith > " UNSUBSCRIBE ME " in the subject line. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 And a newer video yet, posted 8 hours ago. > > > > we are told to leave the country in case of a pandemic due to the > weaponized avian flu. Where can one go where there will not be forced > vaccinations? does anyone know if Canada would be safe? > > > > Parents vindicated for questioning mental health screening > > > > Pioneer > > Press > > Minnesota to get $4 > > million in Bristol-Myers Squibb settlementLink: http://www.twinciti > es.com/ci_ 9961621 > > By Bjorhus > > Jul. 22, 2008 > > Pharmaceutical giant Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. is paying Minnesota > > $4.35 million to settle allegations of Medicaid fraud, the state > Attorney > > General's office announced Tuesday. > > The Minnesota payment is part of a $515 million settlement the U.S. > Department > > of Justice reached with New York-based Bristol-Myers last fall regarding > > Medicaid overpayments, the company said. Minnesota joined the > settlement along > > with 42 other states. > > > > The settlement resolved allegations that between the 1990s and 2005 > > Bristol-Myers and its former subsidiary Apothecon Inc. inflated > prices for > > various prescription drugs covered by Medicaid, bribed doctors and > health care > > providers to buy products and promoted using an antipsychotic drug > called Abilify > > to treat children and dementia-related psychosis, which are uses the > Food and > > Drug Administration hasn't approved. The company was also accused of > > misreporting sales of an antidepressant called Serzone. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Tri-City > > Herald > > State to get $6.8 > > million settlement from company Link: http://www.tri- cityherald. > com/1186/ story/248026. html > > By Ingrid Stegemoeller > > Jul. 22, 2008 > > Washington state will receive nearly $6.8 million from > > Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. and its former subsidiary Apothecon Inc., > to settle > > allegations of illegal marketing and pricing of prescription > medications, > > according to the state Attorney General's office. > > About $389 million plus interest will be paid out to 43 states, > > the District of Columbia and the federal government to compensate > Medicaid > > programs that were overcharged for medications. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Southtown > > Star > > Parents vindicated for > > questioning mental health screening processLink: http://tinyurl. > com/6ck3kd > > Fran Eaton > > July 23, 2008 > > Paranoid. > > Schizophrenic. Obsessive. Compulsive. Those are words normally used > to describe > > mental health disorders. But just last year they were used > disparagingly to > > describe Illinois parents who wanted to be notified before their > children > > underwent mental health screenings at school. > > They've got to feel > > vindicated this week because the state of Illinois received $10 > million from > > the huge drug conglomerate Bristol-Myers Squibb. It was Illinois' > portion of a > > $515 million lawsuit settling a broad array of civil allegations > involving Bristol-Myers' > > drug marketing and pricing practices. > > The U.S. Department of > > Justice alleged for four years Bristol-Myers pushed their > antipsychotic drug > > Abilify onto child psychiatrists and pediatric specialists to use on > children > > before the Federal Drug Administration authorized its use on minors. > > The company also allegedly > > instructed its sales force to sell Abilify to nursing home providers > for use on > > dementia patients, even though the FDA had approved it only for treating > > schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. They also were accused of > overcharging the > > drugs to Medicaid. The company did not admit wrongdoing, but agreed > to pay out > > $515 million. > > Those paranoid parents don't seem so obsessive today. The Bristol-Myers > > settlement points again to the need for parents to be closely > involved before > > their child's mental health status is scrutinized by school staff. > > In a growing number of > > Illinois high schools, a computerized screening system called > TeenScreen asks > > 14 through 18-year-olds personal questions such as " Have you often felt > > very nervous when you've had to do things in front of people? " or > > " Have you often worried a lot before you were going to play a sport or > > game or do some other activity? " > > TeenScreen then asks a couple of zingers, including " Have you ever > tried to > > kill yourself? " The students' answers may determine whether they are > > referred for professional help or passed into normalcy with flying > colors. > > TeenScreen is sold to school > > systems and parents as a tool to detect depression and prevent > suicide, the > > third leading cause of death in youth aged 15 to 24. > > But the National Alliance for > > Mental Illinois blames intrusive parents for driving up the stigma > surrounding > > mental health. Those moms and dads opposed to TeenScreen's private > questions > > are involved in " campaigns of misinformation designed to stir up fear, > > confusion and outrage. " > > Those who say parental notice > > isn't required now are misrepresenting the truth, NAMI says. > > " Contrary to the claims > > of those attacking the TeenScreen program, the TeenScreen program > requires > > parental consent and teen assent to participate before any screening > can be > > done, " the NAMI Web site says. " It does not provide a diagnosis nor > > does the screening result in a child receiving psychotropic medication. > > Instead, it identifies teens that may be at risk and works with the > family to > > link them with a mental health professional for an evaluation. " > > That's not exactly how > > smoothly the system worked with one family in neighboring Indiana. > > Because Mike and > > Rhoades were unaware in 2005 their 15-year-old daughter was being > screened for > > mental health issues at school, they were shocked when she came home > from > > school asking about obsessive-compulsiv e disorder and social > anxiety disorder. > > Their shock turned to anger when the Rhoadeses learned Chelsea's > curiosity was > > stirred because she had gone through TeenScreen's system and been > told that day > > that she had mental health issues. > > The Indiana school said all > > parents were notified about the testing and unless they had sent > back written > > rejection of the screening, they assumed the parents approved. The > Rhoadeses > > say they never saw the original notification and therefore could not > reject the > > testing. That's a system called " passive permission. " > > Anyone with teens in the > > house knows such a loose system of communication between school and > home is > > totally unacceptable. Most parents want active consent when it comes > to their > > children's health care. > > In Illinois, parents are left > > to deal with the after effects when they've been left out of the > screening > > process. Illinois law goes so far as to allow a minor to see a > mental health > > counselor up to six times before parents are notified. > > State Rep.. Patti Bellock > > (R-Westmont) said Bristol-Myers' questionable sales tactics and alleged > > practice of overcharging Medicaid points to an even larger, more > troubling > > issue. > > " This really calls into > > question their business ethics. We hear of dishonest practices in > accounting > > and stock investing, and that's bad enough. But when you're dealing with > > people's physical or mental health or even their lives, this is very > important > > and extremely serious, " Bellock said. > > Bellock said she's willing to > > push for parental consent before mental health screenings take place > again next > > year, but that unless legislators are convinced parents need to be > involved, > > nothing will happen. > > You know those paranoid, > > schizophrenic and overprotective moms and dads who will keep fighting to > > protect their kids from compulsive, obsessive drug companies. > > God bless 'em. > > Fran Eaton is a south > > suburban resident, a conservative activist in state and national > politics and > > an online journalist. She can be reached at featon@illinoisrevi ew.com. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > PharmExec > > Direct > > Bristol Meyers Squibb Settlement Cash > > DistributedLink: http://tinyurl. com/6lhkmk > > Jul 23, 2008 > > > > Time to divvy up the cash. Last week, the 44 states involved in a > massive > > lawsuit against Bristol Meyers Squibb for illegal off-label > marketing of its > > anti-psychotic drug Abilify have begun distributing monies collected > from the > > $515 million settlement. > > > > Of the states that have begun seeing checks: Missouri will be > receiving $11 > > million, the Massachusetts Medicaid program will take $9 million, > Indiana will > > see $2 million, Georgia will get $12 million, and Delaware expects > about a $1 > > million. > > > > While some are pleased that the settlement is leading to financial > reparations, > > others are concerned that these illegal off-label practices will > continue. > > > > " The allegations were that these companies not only engaged in a pattern > > of kickbacks and false reporting to drive up both the sales and > prices for its > > drugs, they also encouraged healthcare providers to prescribe a > potent drug to > > both children and seniors for uses that had not been approved by the > FDA, " > > Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker stated in a release. > > > > BMS also agreed last week to pay New York City $7.5 million, and the > state of > > New York $40 million for inflating wholesale prices of its drugs. The > > settlement stems from a 2004 lawsuit brought by the city against 44 > > pharmaceutical companies. > > > > " This lawsuit is one of several that the city brought in an effort > to rein > > in the widespread fraudulent practices that unlawfully inflate the > city's > > Medicaid costs, " said Cardozo, corporation counsel of the > City of > > New York. " The settlement will return to the city almost the full > value of > > its claims against Bristol-Myers Squibb. We are pleased at the > successful > > resolution reached with one of the defendants, and hope to reach > similarly > > successful resolutions with others. " > > > > ________________________________ > > > > What > > about your State? > > If your state > > is not listed below, contact your own State Attorney > > General here: http://www.naag. org/attorneys_ general.php , ask for > > the Media Relations person and then ask for the press > > release (or the settlement dollar amount) on the Bristol-Myers > > Squibb settlement for illegally promoting their antipsychotic drug > > Abilify for use in kids and the elderly. > > > > Then flip > > the press release to your local newspaper. Note: Word has it > that Alabama, > > Alaska, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wisconsindid > not participate. > > > > See articles > > here: http://tmap. wordpress. com/ > > > > Arkansas $1.3 million > > California $23 million > > Connecticut $1.9 million > > Delaware $1.1 million > > Florida $21.5 million > > Georgia $12.1 million > > Idaho $1.7 million > > Illinois $10 million > > Indiana $2.2 million > > Kansas $3 million > > Kentucky $3 million > > Maine $829,862 > > land $2.3 million > > Massachusetts $9.2 million > > Minnesota $4.35 million > > Missouri $11 million > > Nebraska $3.2 million > > New Hampshire $1.2 million > > New York $40 million > > North Carolina $14.8 million > > NYC $7.5 million > > Ohio $6.5 million > > Oregon $3 million > > South Dakota $700,000 > > Texas $15.7 million > > Vermont $318,963 > > Washington $6.8 million > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > 27,407 > > Signatures Against TeenScreen. Petition: http://www.petition > online.com/ TScreen/petition .html > > Video: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=RfU9puZQKBY > > > > If you > > would rather not receive the latest news via this e-mail line, > please send a > > message to > > Psych_News@psychsea rch.netwith > > " UNSUBSCRIBE ME " in the subject line. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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