Re: Not vaccinating

[Guest guest]

Carie: The only current laws about vaccines (that I know of) have to

do with attending public daycare and schools. Even then, every state

has a set of exemptions, religious, philosophical and medical (a

prior reaction, adequate titres, etc.)

Here is something that I send to parents who ask me about vaccines.

Links at bottom.

For a complete list of vaccine critics, see:

http://www.whale.to/m/critics.html

Should I Vaccinate My Child? Are Vaccines Safe for ASD Children?

by , Parent of a Child with Autism

Research is clear—a small subset of children have a genetic

susceptibility to adverse reactions to some vaccines. If you read

the waiver that you must sign before your child is vaccinated, it

will tell you about the possible consequences, including death, if

your child has a reaction. The fact that vaccines can harm children

is why the NVIC, National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, was

put into place.

Often you won't know if your child is one of those who will have a

vaccine reaction until autism or other medical/developmental issue

shows up, sometimes days or weeks after the time of the exposure.

Please do NOT accept any one person's opinion of vaccines. Consult a

variety of sources and make up your own mind about your child's

safety and health. Try these links for some information that should

be considered, in addition to the information that may be given to

you by your health provider:

http://www.909shot.com The National Vaccine Information Center

http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm (lists ingredients in

childhood vaccines, which include aluminum, formaldehyde, sheep red

blood cells, pig pancreas, human aborted fetal tissue, chicken

embryonic fluid, monkey kidney cells, monkey fetal tissue, and more.

Many chemicals in vaccines are either suspected or known toxicants

and carcinogens.

http://www.bioprobe.com/ReadNews.asp?article=27 (Dr.

Cave's Congressional testimony on vaccine safety, vaccines and

autism)

You also should not take a nurse's or a doctor's word that a vaccine

does not contain thimerosal, the mercury preservative that is

thought to have caused a significant portion of today's autism

epidemic, which includes ADD, ADHD, speech delay, PDD-NOS, and other

neurological/behavioral problems that today afflict 1 in every 6

children, according to the Department of Education.

You must demand to look at the label/package insert of the vaccine

vial and read the ingredients yourself. Anyone who claims that their

child had a thimerosal-free vaccine but did not see the label has

about a 50 percent chance of being wrong. Often the nurses and

doctors have not read the label themselves.

One manufacturer, Merck, was even caught mislabeling its vaccines

as " thimerosal free " when the vials contained the usual dose that

would put a child well over the government safety guidelines for

mercury exposure. Here is a widely quoted LA Times investigation

into this issue: http://www.yourlawyer.com/practice/news.htm?

story_id=9713 & topic=Thimerosal

Dr. Cave has a sensible schedule for vaccinations that

lessen many of the risks. Her book is " What Your Doctor May Not Have

Told You About Vaccines " and is available at online and retail

bookstores.

Many who encourage you NOT to delay the vaccines base their

recommendations on the statements of health agencies and their own

limited personal experience. First, vaccines are not emergency

medicine. The only childhood epidemic to be concerned about right

how is ASD. Second, our health agencies have done much good. But we

should not forget the fact that they have made serious mistakes in

the past that have caused serious harm to our children:

Most recently it was the rotavirus ( " RotaShield " ) vaccine that

caused intussusception, telescoping of children's intestines. The

CDC and the AAP pulled their recommendation of the vaccine in 1999,

less than a year after it was put on the market. It is thought that

more than 100 children suffered this severe bowel disease and at

least several died as a result.

In the 1940s and 1950s, the leading cause of blindness in premature

and low-birth weight infants was the liberal administration of

hyperbaric oxygen that resulted in an epidemic of retinopathy,

causing blindness, until health agencies changed their

recommendations after over a decade of damaged children. Surely we

have learned our lesson when it comes to public health agencies:

they are vulnerable to mistakes like any other human organization.

There are also individuals who make claims of vaccine safety

because " I did not see a reaction in my child, " or simply " I don't

believe it. " These are not scientific or medical observations and

should not be used to make an informed decision about the safety of

your child.

To determine if your child has been injured by a vaccine requires

specialized medical and toxicological testing that may include:

1. CDSA: Complete Diagnostic Stool Analysis that measures

digestion/absorption, gut immunology, gut metabolism and gut

microbiology

2. Urine Toxic Metals Test for potentially toxic metals such as

aluminum, antimony, arsenic, beryllium, bismuth, cadmium, lead,

mercury, nickel, platinum, thallium, thorium, tin, tungsten,

uranium. Depending on the child's ability/inability to detoxify and

upon the exposure, the child could have toxic levels of one or more

of these.

3. RBCE: Red Blood Cell Elements for calcium, magnesium, potassium,

phosphorus, copper, zinc, iron, manganese, chromium, selenium,

boron, vanadium and molybdenum. These essential elements are often

blocked from uptake by disturbances caused by vaccine injury.

4. Microbial OATS Panel, which checks for yeast and bacterial

byproducts overgrowing the gut, causing problems with eating,

digestion and elimination.

For a small subset of children, even so-called " normal " exposures to

toxins in vaccines can cause serious disturbances in a child's

digestive, immunologic, and neurologic systems. If you have a child

on the autism spectrum and have not have that child evaluated for

heavy metal toxicity and an impaired ability to detoxify via sulphur-

bearing amino acids, please seek such testing from a qualified

physician.

I urge you to visit these links as soon as possible:

http://www.vaclib.org/

http://www.whale.to/a/moth.html

http://www.deathbyvaccination.com

Yes, there is cause for concern.

You know your child best. Collect the facts. Make YOUR decision. And

don't make a decision based on blind faith in bureaucracies or

pediatricians who human beings that make mistakes just like the rest

of us.

Davey's Dad

(david@...)

>

> I was wondering if someone could send me some useful websites, and

or

> information on this.

> My cousin is a lawyer in a case where the husband and wife are

getting a

> divorce, and the husband is trying to take away the children

because the

> wife does not vaccinate.

> They live in Arizona.

> My cousin (who is the lawyer) does not know enough about " not "

vaccinating

> to help her. He has asked me to find out from the people I know

if they can

> help lead him in the right direction.

> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> There cannot be stressful crisis next week.

> My schedule is already full!

> Henry

Kissinger

[Guest guest]

Carie: One more important link/story (posted someplace else on this

board):

http://www.byronchild.com

ByronChild, Australia

June-August 2005 Issue

SHOULD I VACCINATE MY CHILD?

By Jini Patel

As the mother of a newborn, it became important to find out what is

really

going on with infant and childhood vaccination and whether it is

conclusively a beneficial or necessary procedure. Thus I embarked on

four

months of research into immunisation -squeezed in between the

demands of

caring for and breastfeeding our new baby ! The facts opposite

highlight a different face of thevaccination question; effectiveness,

adverse effects, and long-term consequences. The unspoken thread

running

through each of these is a pressing question: Why haven't more

people been

informed of this evidence, and indeed, why is vaccination presented

carte

blanche as a positive, imperative requisite for our children's

health?

Do vaccines actually work?

As I researched the issue, I was amazed to discover that there is a

large

and growing body of clinical studies, fieldwork (in developing

nations) and

historical data refuting the safety and efficacy of vaccination.

Unfortunately, the propaganda campaign for vaccination has been so

successful that most of us automatically believe that vaccines are so

effective they are responsible for the virtual eradication of serious

childhood illnesses. In reality this is not so, and if you examine

the

actual rates of incidence for each disease (from mainstream sources

such as

the Lancet, WHO and UNICEF), the graphs show a clearly different

picture.

From the 1800s to the present, in every case, each disease had been

virtually eliminated decades before the introduction of the relevant

vaccine; through improved hygiene, better nutrition, clean drinking

water

and improved sanitation.

Basically, as people's overall health and immune systems improved,

they

didn't get sick.

As the physician W.J. McCormick summarised in 1950 (before vaccines

for

measles, mumps, scarlet fever and rheumatic fever were introduced):

'...the decline in diphtheria, whooping cough and typhoid fever began

fully fifty years prior to the inception of artificial immunisation

and

followed an almost even grade before and after the adoption of these

control measures.

In the case of scarlet fever, mumps, measles and rheumatic fever

there has

been no specific innovation in control measures, yet these also have

followed the same general pattern in incidence of decline.'

Furthermore, research reveals dozens of cases around the world where

there

was an outbreak of infectious disease (e.g. measles, polio, tetanus,

smallpox, etc.) and contract rates were either similar among

vaccinated and

unvaccinated population, orhigher and more severe among the

vaccinated.

For example:

-Massachusetts in 1961 experienced a 'type II' polio outbreak

and 'there

were more paralytic cases in the triple vaccinates than in the

unvaccinated'.

-In 1976, Dr. G.T. reported in the British Medical Journal

that, 'of

8,092 cases of whooping cough, 2,940 (36%) were fully imimunised,

while only

2,424 (30%) were definitely not immunised'.

-Professor ****, speaking at an environmental conference in

Brussels

in 1973, admitted that in recent decades, 75% of British people who

contracted smallpox had been vaccinated. This, combined with the

fact that

only 40% of children (and a maximum of 10% of adults) had been

vaccinated,

clearly shows that vaccinated people have a much higher tendency to

contract

the disease.

-If vaccination is not responsible for the eradication of childhood

illnesses, and vaccinated children are actually at a greater risk of

contracting a disease than unvaccinated children, why is vaccination

routinely presented as ah effective safeguard for our children's

health?

When the historical data is referred to by pro-vaccine parties, it

is often

skewed and presented out of context.

For example, in reference to a mass immunisation campaign carried

out in

Thailand:

'...the immunisation coverage for measles has increased from 6% in

1984 to

63% in 1988, leading to a reduction in measles prevalence from

93.7/100,000

in 1984 to 37.1/100,000 in 1986.'

However, what the report doesn't indicate is that in 1987, the

infection

rate of measles was 87.1/100,000. And in 1988 it was 59.1/100,000

which is

actually higher than the rate of infection in 1982 (57.1/100,000)

when no

one had been vaccinated. These statistics, however, are conveniently

not included as they don't support the pro-vaccination stance of the

report.

Aside from establishing that vaccines are not the reason infectious

childhood illnesses have virtually disappeared, and that vaccinated

children

are actually at a greater risk of contracting disease, there are

also the

adverse effects and long-term consequences of vaccination to be

considered.

Effects of vaccination - short term

Immediate or short-term effects of vaccination can include the

following:

encephalopathy (irreversible brain damage), ataxia (incoordination of

voluntary muscle movements); mental retardation, aseptic meningitis

(inflammation of the membranes of spinal cord or brain), seizure

disorders,

hemiparesis (half- body paralysis), retinopathy and blindness,

hyperactivity, anaphylaxis, high pitched (encephalitic)

screaming/prolonged

crying, autism, ADHD, learning disorder, hay fever, asthma, sudden

infant

death (SIPS), brachial plexus neuropathy (disease affecting nerves

which

serve the arm, forearm and hand), and abdominal pain. Secondary

complications can include juvenile-onset diabetes, Reye's syndrome

and

multiple sclerosis.

Unfortunately, it's virtually impossible to determine the real

incidence of

damaging adverse reactions. For example, a British government report

claims

the rate of permanent neurological damage from the DPT vaccine to be

1 in

300,000. However, other researchers indicate the permanent damage

level to

be anywhere from 1 in 62,000 to 1 in 300. Research by Coulter and

Fisher on

the 3.3 million children vaccinated yearly in the US found there to

be a

total of 33,006 cases of acute neurological reactions (encephalitic

screaming, convulsions, collapse) within 48 hours of receiving the

DPT shot.

When the problems with vaccination are addressed in a serious manner

by the

pro-vaccination side, it usually involves a member of the bio-

medical field

qualifying that the danger of vaccination, although real, are very

rare, for

example:

'Parents must be informed of the rare possibility of serious adverse

effects, including seizure and allergic reaction. Every physician who

administers

vaccines therefore needs to become familiar with the reactions that

may

occur with each immunologic agent used. The best safeguard against

litigation, when and if a serious reaction follows vaccination, is

the

indication that these considerations were discussed and that an

informed

choice was made.'

However, there is no scientific evidence as to the actual frequency

or

incidence of vaccine-induced injury, so in fact we have no idea

whether

reactions are indeed rare, or, statistically significant. In

articles such

as the one above, no verifiable statistical evidence, reflecting

reliable

reporting or monitored studies for this 'rarity' is ever presented.

As shown in the official minutes of the 15th session of the US Panel

of Review of Bacterial Vaccines and Toxoids

with Standards and Potency:

'Many physicians are not cognisant of the importance of reporting

untoward

reactions, or may be unaware of their clinical features. Further,

both

physicians and manufacturers have been held liable for damage suits

by

patients who may suffer adverse effects from established vaccines.

All of

these factors undoubtedly discourage reporting; without some other

form of

surveillance, definition of the rates and significance of untoward

reactions

to current and future vaccines cannot be ascertained.'

For this reason, it is suspected that the number of adverse

reactions and

vaccine-damaged children is actually much, much higher than is

currently

presented by the medical/ pharmaceutical community. Instead, there

is a

growing number of mothers and lay people, whose children have been

irrevocably damaged, forming vaccine risk awareness groups. There

continue

to be incidents like the one in West Germany in 1967, where smallpox

vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children, and of these 71

were

rendered completely deaf. At the extreme end of the spectrum, we have

occurrences like the one in Australia's Northern Territory where

malnourished Aboriginal children were vaccinated and in some areas

5O% of

them died. According to Dr. B. Bloom at the Albert Einstein College

of

Medicine, there's even an emerging reluctance to further develop

vaccines

because financial losses due to the liability of established vaccines

actually exceed the profits derived from them.

Whether these adverse reactions are caused by the vaccines

themselves or the

number of highly toxic additives contained in vaccines (e.g.

formaldehyde,

mercury, acetone, etc.), or a combination of the two, remains to be

determined. As yet, no research has been carried out to resolve this

question.

Effects of vaccination - long term

While these short-term consequenceas are alarming (especially if it

happens

to your child) the possible long-term consequences of vaccination

are, in my

opinion, even more of a worry. When you contract a disease

naturally, the

virus or bacteria normally enters via the body's natural filtration

system;

by being inhaled or swallowed, passing through the liver. With

measles, for

example, the airborne virus is carried first to the tonsils, then

the lymph

nodes and then into the spleen, blood and other organs. This

succession

produces a variety of reactions; sneezing, coughing or the secretion

of a

local antibody within the respiratory tract, all designed to expel

or weaken the virus at its port of entry. With vaccines, foreign

antigens are usually injected directly into

the body's tissues and carried throughout the circulatory system,

giving

them direct access to all of the body's vital organs and systems. To

bypass

the body's natural defense system, and at such a young age, is simply

asking for trouble. In addition, because the vaccine contains an

attenuated (or weakened) form of the virus, the body doesn't

activate its major inflammatory response, nor its non-specific

immune defenses.

Another long-term complication of vaccination involves the 'one cell-

one

antibody' rule. This means that once a B cell is committed to an

antigen

(disease-causing virus or bacteria), it becomes inert and incapable

of

responding to other antigens or attacks on the immune system. If a

child

contracts childhood diseases naturally, it is estimated that up to a

total

of 7% of their immune system is taken up with responding to these

diseases.

However, a child who undergos the routine course of vaccinations,

risks

having up to 70% of his/her immune system committed to these

antigens and no

longer available for other immune challenges. Current research

suggests this

reduced immune-response capacity is responsible for increased

susceptibility to

other infections, allergies, and auto-immune diseases. Other

researchers

argue that these attenuated forms of the viruses remain in the body

causing

continual antigenic stimulation of the immune system - meaning the

immune

system is always in 'attack' mode - which also weakens it and leads

to

auto-immune diseases.

A placebo-controlled trial of acellular pertussis vaccines in Sweden,

compared vaccinated children with un-vaccinated children of the same

birth

grouping. During the trial, an invasive bacterial infection occurred

among the

vaccinated group resulting in numerous deaths. A review of the trial

data

led researchers to conclude that 'The hypothesis of an

immunosuppressive

effect of the vaccines, which would explain the deaths.. could not be

refuted by the data.'

As further evidence, one of the few double-blind trials that have

ever been

conducted on a vaccine shows the same immunosuppressive effect. In

the

trial, of the group who were vaccinated with the Salk polio vaccine,

over

200 people went on to contrac polio. Among the control group

(unvaccinated),

not one of them developed polio.

Citing references from numerous valid sources, including four

recognised

textbooks on paediatricics and immunology Harold Buttram, MD and

Hoffman, PhD, conclude that childhood vaccination 'cannot help but

have

adverse effects on the immunologic system of the child, possibly

leaving

this system crippled in its ability to protect the child throughout

life...

opening the way for other diseases as a result of immunologic

dysfunction'.

The other worrying aspect of live viral vaccines is they introduce

foreign

genetic material into the human body. Dr. R. Moskowitz, MD and

Harvard

graduate, explains how this can lead to auto-immune disease

susceptibility:

'Vaccinal attenuated viruses attach their own genetic " episome " to

the

genome (half set of chromosomes and their genes) of the host cell,

and are

thus capable of surviving or remaining latent within the host cells

for

years. The presence of foreign antigenic material within the host

cell sets

the stage for their unpredictable provocation of various auto-immune

phenomena such as herpes, shingles, warts, tumours - both benign and

malignant - and diseases of the central nervous system, such as

varied forms

of paralysis and inflammation of the brain.'

Dr. Markowitz states that in addition, vaccines do not just produce

mild

versions of the original disease, but all of them commonly produce a

variety

of their own symptoms. In some cases, 'these illnesses may be

considerably

more serious than the original disease, involving deeper structures,

more

vital organs, and less of a tendency to resolve spontaneously. Even

more

worrisome is the fact that they are almost always more difficult to

recognise.'

In addressing scientists at a conference sponsored by the American

Cancer

Society, Rutgers University Professor R.Simpson warned:

'Immunisation programs against flu, measles, mumps, polio and so

forth may

actually be seeding humans with RNA to form latent proviruses in

cells

throughout the body. These latent proviruses could be molecules in

search of

diseases, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis,

systemic lupus

erythematosus, Parkinson's disease and perhaps cancer.'

The bulk of the evidence gathered from numerous countries points out

that

not only is vaccination ineffective at preventing the spread of

infectious

disease, but vaccinated children are actually at a higher risk of

contracting these illnesses. In addition, the adverse reactions to

vaccination are much higher than presently documented in the medico-

pharmaceutical literature and the long-term damaging effect of

suppressing the immune system is rarely

addressed.

In light of all the evidence to the contrary, why have vaccines been

pressed

upon the public as a necessary, beneficial way of preventing our

children

from getting sick? In the words of Dr. Obomsawin (who's held

senior

positions in UNICEF and CUSO), referring to mass vaccination, 'It is

reprehensible that such actions continue to be enforced by

authorities,

while parents and local health workers are not accorded any practical

knowledge of the known dangers involved, and the extent to which

there

prevails a general

ignorance of the longer term consequences.

Combine this ignorance with the millions of dollars in profit

generated by

vaccination that goes straight into the pockets of manufacturing

companies,

governments and medical doctors, and it becomes clear that

vaccination is

more of a political and economic issue than a health issue. Barbara

Loe

Fisher, who served for ten years on the US National Vaccine Advisory

Committee states:

'We have bad science and bad medicine translated into law to ensure

that

vaccine manufacturers make big profits, that career bureaucrats at

the

Public Health Service meet the mass vaccination goals promised to

politicians funding

their budgets, and pediatricians have a steady flow of patients...As

the

drug companies have often stated in meetings I have attended, if a

vaccine

they produce is not mandated to be used on a mass basis, they do not

recoup their

R & D costs and do not make the profit they want. In the medical

literature

official studies of vaccine risk are published purportedly proving

there is

no cause and

effect.

What the reader does not know is that often the studies have been

designed

and conducted by physicians who sit on vaccine policy-making

committees at

the Centers for Disease Control...some of whom receive money from

vaccine

manufacturers for their universities and for testifying as expert

witnesses

in vaccine-injury cases. And others are federal employees with an

eye on

career advancement within HHS and a future job with a vaccine

manufacturer

after retirement from public service. Many of these same physicians

sit on the

peer review boards of the major medical journals such as Pediatrics

and

JAMA, where they refuse space for studies or letters from the few

brave

physicians who dare to challenge their assertions that there is no

cause and

effect.'

When you take into account the billions of dollars at stake in

vaccination

campaigns, it is not surprising that vaccination propaganda is

foisted upon

the public with almost religious fervour. The intense psychological

pressure

and fear that parents feel about vaccinating their children is no

accident,

but the result of well-planned, well-funded marketing campaigns.

Needless to

say, having completed my research, remains completely un-

vaccinated.

As to whether you should vaccinate your child or not only you can

and should

make that decision. It is very difficult to stand strong and

resolute against the

ubiquitous pressure to vaccinate. It's like having to keep insisting

the

earth is round when authorities, your immunity, intellectuals, and

the

majority of scientists etc. all insist it's flat. As with all

matters of

health, each of us has to go with what our gut tells us is right, or

the best possible option for us at that time.

There are very effective alternatives to vaccination, but it's

beyond the

scope of this article to address that here (see

www.alternativemedicine.com

and do a keyword search on vaccination for more info). Also, any good

naturopathic physician will be able to advise you of the

alternatives and

prescribe immune support measures for your child.

Other options

For those of you who are wary of the dangers of vaccination but not

quite

strong enough - or convinced enough - to decline immunisation, there

are a

few options you might wish to explore:

Only give your child the vaccines you feel are most necessary and

omit the

most dangerous ones, or the ones that have been banned in other

countries.

For example, opt for diphtheria and tetanus but omit the pertussis

component

of the DPT shot, skip the hepatitis B vaccine - especially in

infants (200

doctors in France have banded together to try to get their

government to ban it).

The MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) shot has also been banned in

several

countries.

If you do vaccinate, assist your child/baby's immune system before,

during

and after vaccination to reduce the risk of adverse effects. Dr.

LeMon

(an Oregon peadiatrician) administers the following to his patients:

1000 mg

vitamin C, 500 mg calcium, 50 mg vitamin B6 the day before, the day

of, and

the day after vaccination. Consult with your doctor (medical or

naturopathic) as to the best amounts and delivery method of these

immune

support substances for your child. Continue to supplement with a

full range of vitamins and minerals daily thereafter (use 100%

natural preparations specially formulated for

infants or children).

Continue to educate yourself by reading other sources and conduct

your own

research on vaccination. See some of the publications, and websites

listed

at the end of this article for further reading.

A former journalist, Jini Patel 's health articles have been

published in numerous magazines and newspapers throughout Canada,

the United

States and Europe. She is the author of two books on natural healing

methods

for Crohn's, Colitis and IRS, and a DVD titled:

[Guest guest]

I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.

My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses. Anyone have suggestions for me?

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[Guest guest]

I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.

My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses. Anyone have suggestions for me?

Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/KentuckyLittle Hearts Hold Big HopeReaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart DefectsElaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting

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[Guest guest]

Hullo Luvs. A heartbreaking delemia indeed, but the suggestions is to stick to what your Heart says. Yer not exacly lieing when you said your daughter was up to date. YOUR DATE of NO Vaccines! Lie when ever you have to, to save your child....period. IF worse comes to worse, which is highly unlikely that they would try to take her away, simply get legal assistance. Vaccines are Not manditory. No one is allowed to put any vaccines or drugs into her Without Your Permission. It would be better to have a legal battle, than a vaccine injured, or dead child. Keep that in mind. Best of luck to you all, and special good vibes to your daughter, that she becomes better with her ailments, thru her own healing powers. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

Hullo Luvs. A heartbreaking delemia indeed, but the suggestions is to stick to what your Heart says. Yer not exacly lieing when you said your daughter was up to date. YOUR DATE of NO Vaccines! Lie when ever you have to, to save your child....period. IF worse comes to worse, which is highly unlikely that they would try to take her away, simply get legal assistance. Vaccines are Not manditory. No one is allowed to put any vaccines or drugs into her Without Your Permission. It would be better to have a legal battle, than a vaccine injured, or dead child. Keep that in mind. Best of luck to you all, and special good vibes to your daughter, that she becomes better with her ailments, thru her own healing powers. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

Dear , Get in touch with Null via his website or office in New York City. If you've never heard of him, ask Barbara Loe Fisher of the National Vaccine Information Center if is qualified to help your family. (Ms Fisher has been on 's radio show so they are both advocates for what you want and need. has a blockbuster documentary Vaccine Nation which reportedly he will be giving out free to attendees at our New Jersey rally against forcedvaccinations at noon to 2PM on Thursday October 16 in Trenton at the State House 125 West State Street, TRrenton. Good luck. Fuller, Coordinator, Green Party of Monmouth County, New Jersey

From: luvusam1@... <luvusam1@...>Subject: Re: Not vaccinatingno-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:27 PM

I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.

My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses. Anyone have suggestions for me?

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, you are falling prey to fear-mongering and intimidation. Nobody, absolutely nobody, has the right to bully you to give your child any vaccination whatsoever, especially a sick child, which would, in fact, constitute malpractice!! You'd be surprised how fast they back off if you turn the tables. Example: my daughter lives in California, after the birth of her first child (six years ago) the self-anointed little tin gods kept pestering her with phone calls "according to our records, your child has not been vaccinated", whereupon she sent them a CEASE AND DESIST letter threatening them with a harassment charge. My second grandson was born in March last year and my daughter had provided the hospital with signed exemption forms beforehand.Nevertheless, when she entered the hospital on D-day, she was informed that it was "hospital policy" to administer the Vitamin K injection and Hepatitis B vaccination, whereupon she asked them to show her the relevant piece of legislation of the State of California that would compel her to subject her newborn to procedures without her consent, particularly in view of the fact that she is exercising her RIGHT OF EXEMPTION, of which the hospital had been duly informed! End of story, they quickly backed off! And that's the way to go, don't allow anyone to threaten and intimidate you, stand your ground and never forget that YOU and not some government pipsqueak/nurse/doctor are the ultimate decision-maker and authority when it comes to the health of your child or your own health for that matter. The right of bodily integrity is one of the most important provisions of the Nuremberg Code and Helsiniki Declaration and any medical procedure presupposes VOLUNTARY AND INFORMED CONSENT.

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Dear , Get in touch with Null via his website or office in New York City. If you've never heard of him, ask Barbara Loe Fisher of the National Vaccine Information Center if is qualified to help your family. (Ms Fisher has been on 's radio show so they are both advocates for what you want and need. has a blockbuster documentary Vaccine Nation which reportedly he will be giving out free to attendees at our New Jersey rally against forcedvaccinations at noon to 2PM on Thursday October 16 in Trenton at the State House 125 West State Street, TRrenton. Good luck. Fuller, Coordinator, Green Party of Monmouth County, New Jersey

From: luvusam1@... <luvusam1@...>Subject: Re: Not vaccinatingno-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:27 PM

I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.

My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses. Anyone have suggestions for me?

Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/KentuckyLittle Hearts Hold Big HopeReaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart DefectsElaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3522 (20081014) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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Just to say keep the faith you have to listen to your gut feelings. we all are supporting you

If you had not refused who can say what state could your child be in.

They have been brain washed to get everyone vaccinated because that is where they get a lots of money from.

tricia

no-forced-vaccination From: luvusam1@...Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:27:42 +0000Subject: Re: Not vaccinating

I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.

My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses. Anyone have suggestions for me?

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Yes,yes,YES. Force is,Force. In this country we are to remember that....to Sovereignty,of the individual and not"the state".> > From: luvusam1@... luvusam1@...> Subject: Re: Not vaccinating> no-forced-vaccination > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:27 PM> > > I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a> lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.> My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going> through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the> hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to> date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already> had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my> head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was> "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my> daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do> not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they> are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following> doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses.> Anyone have suggestions for me?> > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky> Little Hearts Hold Big Hope> Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital> Heart Defects> Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6> years and counting> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___> Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs.> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus> signature database 3522 (20081014) __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com>

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Yes,yes,YES. Force is,Force. In this country we are to remember that....to Sovereignty,of the individual and not"the state".> > From: luvusam1@... luvusam1@...> Subject: Re: Not vaccinating> no-forced-vaccination > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:27 PM> > > I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a> lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.> My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going> through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the> hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to> date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already> had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my> head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was> "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my> daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do> not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they> are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following> doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses.> Anyone have suggestions for me?> > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky> Little Hearts Hold Big Hope> Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital> Heart Defects> Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6> years and counting> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___> Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs.> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus> signature database 3522 (20081014) __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com>

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The pre and particularly post-war generation should remember and remind their respective governments of those words:

It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling

into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from

falling into error.

-- Houghwout ,

Chief Judge at the War-Crimes Tribunal in Nuremberg

Ingrid

Yes,yes,YES. Force is,Force. In this country we are to remember that....to Sovereignty,of the individual and not"the state".> > From: luvusam1@... luvusam1@...> Subject: Re: Not vaccinating> no-forced-vaccination > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:27 PM> > > I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a> lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.> My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going> through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the> hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to> date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already> had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my> head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was> "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my> daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do> not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they> are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following> doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses.> Anyone have suggestions for me?> > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky> Little Hearts Hold Big Hope> Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital> Heart Defects> Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6> years and counting> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___> Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs.> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus> signature database 3522 (20081014) __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3533 (20081017) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

[Guest guest]

The pre and particularly post-war generation should remember and remind their respective governments of those words:

It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling

into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from

falling into error.

-- Houghwout ,

Chief Judge at the War-Crimes Tribunal in Nuremberg

Ingrid

Yes,yes,YES. Force is,Force. In this country we are to remember that....to Sovereignty,of the individual and not"the state".> > From: luvusam1@... luvusam1@...> Subject: Re: Not vaccinating> no-forced-vaccination > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:27 PM> > > I am involved in several online groups for animals and we talk a> lot of minimal and no vaccinations for our pets. I love to learn.> My question is my daughter is having kidney issuesand we are going> through extensive testing and possibly surgery, I am being hounded by the> hosp about vaccinations. I got so tired I finally said "yes" she is up to> date and "no" I am not going to give her the chicken pox vax. She already> had them and doesn't need it. You would have thought I fell and hit my> head. She asked again "are you going to give it to her"? My question was> "why"? Back and forth, back and forth. I just don't want them taking my> daughter from me because she has heart defects and kidney issues and I do> not vaccinate her. Times are scary for us in this day and age where they> are taking children from families for ridiculous reasons like not following> doctor orders and seeking alternative medicine for certain illnesses.> Anyone have suggestions for me?> > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky> Little Hearts Hold Big Hope> Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital> Heart Defects> Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6> years and counting> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___> Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs.> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus> signature database 3522 (20081014) __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3533 (20081017) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com