Re: To Jean

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Thanks, Gail. I appreciate the support. I'm glad to say he doesn't

have the handwashing compulsion, but I have a friend whose teenage

daughter is caught up in that right now and I understand that OCD can

take various forms at different times. But he does seem to have

trouble letting go of times he's " been done wrong. " I've discussed

OCD with him, telling him about my own OCD & depression and how

there's help for it, but I think that, although he seemed relieved, it

may have made him more wary of me, afraid I'll pick up on things.

Today in the car he was licking his finger and rubbing a place on his

pants which ordinarily might just mean he has something on his pants

that he's trying to get off, but when I asked him about it he said it

was nothing and tried to do it only when I wasn't looking. Maybe

something, maybe nothing. So hard to tell. He may have some

dyslexia, too, and I've read that children with dyslexia can be behind

in their behavior and easily frustrated, too. I'll be glad when we

get through the diagnostic testing, so we'll know how best to help

him.

-Jean

> Welcome

>

> It sounds like you are on the right pathway in having your son

evaluated

> so you can have some answers to your questions. Much of his

behavior does

> sound like OCD. However, I leave the actual diagnosis to the

experts who

> will get to know him.

>

> My daughter, , is 12 and was diagnosed with OCD 2 years

ago. She

> has had many of the behaviors you described - the need to be first,

copying

> and recopying papers, problems with reading books sent from school,

a need to

> have things " just so " and fair, as well as contamination issues in

general.

> For , she has obsessions about germs and contamination that

cause her

> great anxiety. To reduce that anxiety, she has a compulsion to wash

her

> hands. That lessens the anxiety, but only temporarily, when the

cycle of

> worrying and washing resurfaces. If we interrupt that cycle by

preventing

> her from acting on her compulsion (be it washing, erasing, making

things

> equal), she becomes VERY distressed and angry. In fact, that anger

is how we

> are able to distinguish whether her behavior is OCD related.

>

> This list has been a lifesaver for me. The support and factual

> information I received from it has been invaluable! You may also

want to

> check the OCFoundation site for additional info. Their address is <A

> HREF= " www.ocfoundation.org " >www.ocfoundation.org</A>.

>

> As you realize now, there are treatments for OCD including

effective

> methods for kids to learn as well as medications that can be used in

> children.

>

> Please let us know how you are and what you find out. We are

here for

> you.

>

> Gail in N'Awlins

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my son is 17 yrs. old and has had ocd for his whole life but we were

diagnoised 6 years ago. if drawing nude pictures is the worse thing your son

does and he is only 7 don't sweat the small stuff my son has had severe ocd

and if your son has ocd trust me he will probably do worse things that will

make you look at heaven and say ok Lord take over know because i can't do it

any more so hang in there and never stop looking for answers or help amd try

to be open minded about crap that will come your way it is a very tough

disorder to deal with thinking of you and your family Kathy Bart

>From: jtjohnson@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: What a day!

>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:22:12 -0000

>

>I am just so frazzled tonight. I think has this OCD stuff

>and i have to say it's driving me nuts. Admittedly, I missed 1/2 a

>dosage of my Luvox (depression medicine) last night & I'm probably

>tired out from the trip. I feel like I'm on my last nerve right now.

> I can recall teh kids had some type of argument this a.m., but I

>can't remember what it was about. I *do* remember, though, that

> was concerned about something touched because she'd

>get germs on it. Later on that day, got angry when

>and I didn't leave right away for a bike ride when he decided it was

>time to go. He didn't want to wait until we were done playing

>badminton (which, unfortunately, is not a strong game for him). When

> *did* mount up and took off ahead, got angry, raced

>after her, and said, " I'm leading this ride. *You* got to play with

>Mommy! " I told them we wouldn't even go on a bike ride if they

>couldn't get along (which usually ends up meaning that has to

>give in or else 's angry outbursts will ruin it for everyone).

> She let him take the lead. When we went to the playground &

>had to turn around nearly right away to go home to use the bathroom, I

>decided I wasn't going back there & that we'd go to the grocery store.

> Of course, didn't want to go. At that point, I was so

>frazzled that I just said, " Fine. You watch t.v. " and I took a nap on

>the couch while they watched t.v. Tonight, came downstairs

>for juice and then started pulling the internet cord with his foot on

>his way out of the kitchen. I told him to stop it and he said, " Oh, I

>didn't know it. " (This isn't unusual for him, to say he didn't know

>it.) I told him I was sure he knew what he was doing and he told me

>he hates me and left the kitchen. Now my husband just asked me if I

>saw the old t.v. guide. Apparently, someone drew breasts and a penis

>on pictures of female dancers on the cover of it. Both kids deny

>doing it or that their friends did it. I really don't know what to

>make of it, although I *do* know that was shocked to see a

>drawing of a naked boy on the underlid of the cover to the slide at

>the playground and told me " that's bad " and kept after me until I came

>to see it, so I figure it wasn't she who did it. News Flash!

>just came downstairs & I asked her about it. She said she saw

>drawing it, but he denied it. I figure maybe age (nearly) 7 probably

>has some interest in that type of stuff, but...can this have anything

>to do with the OCD? Does it seem odd? Should it be brought to the

>attention of the diagnostic testing group? I recall drawing

>like this, but I can't remember how old she was at the time, and I

>know it was all a big joke to her and her friends. I have been very

>open and honest with her about what to expect when she gets her period

> & sex and all - primarily because she *does* have trouble with change,

>so I try to prepare her ahead of time for what to expect in situations

>so she won't get thrown by them, but isn't as mature as she

>was at his age.

>-Jean

>

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Thanks, Kathy. I appreciate the kind words. I myself have OCD &

depression, but - fortunately (?) - I had only the worry cycle,

periods of anguish, violent thoughts that I never acted on (or would

have, I now know), and occasional weird things like the time I made my

mother drive us around in the car for an hour. I was looking for

something and felt it was just around the corner, but to this day I

don't knwo what I was looking for! It drove her a little nuts at the

time. I got a list from our insurance provider of child psychologists

in the area, so I'm starting to call around. Wish me luck.

-Jean

> my son is 17 yrs. old and has had ocd for his whole life but

we were

> diagnoised 6 years ago. if drawing nude pictures is the worse thing

your son

> does and he is only 7 don't sweat the small stuff my son has had

severe ocd

> and if your son has ocd trust me he will probably do worse things

that will

> make you look at heaven and say ok Lord take over know because i

can't do it

> any more so hang in there and never stop looking for answers or help

amd try

> to be open minded about crap that will come your way it is a very

tough

> disorder to deal with thinking of you and your family Kathy Bart

> >From: jtjohnson@j...

> >Reply-@y...

> >@y...

> >Subject: What a day!

> >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:22:12 -0000

> >

> >I am just so frazzled tonight. I think has this OCD stuff

> >and i have to say it's driving me nuts. Admittedly, I missed 1/2 a

> >dosage of my Luvox (depression medicine) last night & I'm probably

> >tired out from the trip. I feel like I'm on my last nerve right

now.

> > I can recall teh kids had some type of argument this a.m., but I

> >can't remember what it was about. I *do* remember, though, that

> > was concerned about something touched because she'd

> >get germs on it. Later on that day, got angry when

> >and I didn't leave right away for a bike ride when he decided it

was

> >time to go. He didn't want to wait until we were done playing

> >badminton (which, unfortunately, is not a strong game for him).

When

> > *did* mount up and took off ahead, got angry, raced

> >after her, and said, " I'm leading this ride. *You* got to play

with

> >Mommy! " I told them we wouldn't even go on a bike ride if they

> >couldn't get along (which usually ends up meaning that has

to

> >give in or else 's angry outbursts will ruin it for

everyone).

> > She let him take the lead. When we went to the playground &

> >had to turn around nearly right away to go home to use the

bathroom, I

> >decided I wasn't going back there & that we'd go to the grocery

store.

> > Of course, didn't want to go. At that point, I was so

> >frazzled that I just said, " Fine. You watch t.v. " and I took a nap

on

> >the couch while they watched t.v. Tonight, came downstairs

> >for juice and then started pulling the internet cord with his foot

on

> >his way out of the kitchen. I told him to stop it and he said,

" Oh, I

> >didn't know it. " (This isn't unusual for him, to say he didn't know

> >it.) I told him I was sure he knew what he was doing and he told

me

> >he hates me and left the kitchen. Now my husband just asked me if

I

> >saw the old t.v. guide. Apparently, someone drew breasts and a

penis

> >on pictures of female dancers on the cover of it. Both kids deny

> >doing it or that their friends did it. I really don't know what to

> >make of it, although I *do* know that was shocked to see a

> >drawing of a naked boy on the underlid of the cover to the slide at

> >the playground and told me " that's bad " and kept after me until I

came

> >to see it, so I figure it wasn't she who did it. News Flash!

> >just came downstairs & I asked her about it. She said she saw

> >drawing it, but he denied it. I figure maybe age (nearly) 7

probably

> >has some interest in that type of stuff, but...can this have

anything

> >to do with the OCD? Does it seem odd? Should it be brought to the

> >attention of the diagnostic testing group? I recall

drawing

> >like this, but I can't remember how old she was at the time, and I

> >know it was all a big joke to her and her friends. I have been

very

> >open and honest with her about what to expect when she gets her

period

> > & sex and all - primarily because she *does* have trouble with

change,

> >so I try to prepare her ahead of time for what to expect in

situations

> >so she won't get thrown by them, but isn't as mature as she

> >was at his age.

> >-Jean

> >

>

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,

Thanks. I'm going to check out that site you mentioned. Nobody has said

that has ADHD or ADD, but it's worth checking it out. Thanks for

the suggestion.

-Jean

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In a message dated 12/28/01 7:44:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, bpatin@... writes:

stage 4 fibrosis with linking, I think the linking means the cells are linking and that's when the cirrhosis is about to start.

Bozena, is linking the same as bridging? I can't find a reference right now, and I may not be remembering correctly, but I believe that fibrosis with bridging means that the fibrosis (initial stage of scarring) is connecting two areas of the liver.

Harper

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Bozena, I'm sorry to hear you are having so much trouble getting it under control. Is that why they keep doing biopsies every year? Have you been sick at all? All of my symptoms just seem to be from the meds I think. Who knows though. I delivered a baby in May and they induced me early because they said I was allergic to my placenta. I itched so bad from head to toe and had a bad rash and never slept-just scratched. I'm inclined to believe it was a flare up, yet as soon as I delivered I quit itching. Who knows. They accidentally found out I had high LFT's when they were checking to see if I was still anemic from the pregnancy and then did biopsy. Well I didn't mean to ramble- you take care,

Bethanne

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Bozena, ( I love your name by the way!!)

Spine fractures don't sound good at all!!!! It's good to hear you aren't in too much pain though, but be sure to rest and take care of yourself!! I have 2 girls (5 yrs & 8 months). I delivered my second in May and was diagnosed in September. The doc said I have had AIH for years because of the damage done to my liver. They said I had PUPPS while I was pregnant, which is some type of allergy to the placenta. It sounds weird doesn't it? My LFTS were normal and as the doc decreased the pred they started to creep back up. The only problem is my doc kept continueing to lower prednisone, which I didn't agree with. So I am now going to start with a new doc. Haven't met him yet but he has checked all of my lab work and already increased the prednisone back to 20 and ran a million more blood tests. I hate the stuff, but boy do I feel better since he moved it. I was down to 5mgs and had no energy. Other than alot of puffiness and acne I am doing pretty good. I know what you mean about feeling for everyone. I think I am really lucky because I know it can be a lot worse as it is for many here. You are all in my thoughts everyday!! Well I rambled again so I best be going.

Take care,

Bethanne

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Dear Jean

It is so sweet of you to care, you see just a little kindness will make a

persons day, knowing somewhere out there is a person that cares.

I live in a little town in Washington ( Prosser )

The hospital is about 30 miles away,I found out there is a buss going to the Tri

Citys every day. So maybe i will just do that, and the Dr, told me i had to stay

over night there, since i don`t have anybody staying with me.

Thank you with all my heart for caring, you brought a little sunshine into my

life today.

Love Marika