flu shot

[Guest guest]

June...me too ... I started taking them about 4-5 yrs ago when first DXed

with all these autoimmune problems... I always have hayfever, sinus, and a

real propensity to get bronchitis(sometimes just from swallowing wrong) . I

was advised to get them both by allergist and RD and my son gets asthma so he

was told to get one too for his own wellbeing and to help not bring it home

to me. My dtr works in a school for dev. disabled and constantly is

complaining about sore throats, cough, etc...but she refuses to get a

shot...last yr she lived with us and brought home every weird germ to

us...now she is on her own so she stays away when at her worst(thank heaven).

I do think they make a difference......Judy in AZ

[Guest guest]

jesse has never had a flu shot until a few months ago and he never caught a

single thing that the rest of us did expect maybe stomach virus. Shortly

after he got the flu shot a few months ago he started to catch everything. He

had a small lung infection and an ear infection. thank god we caught the lung

infection before it did much damage. He did end up missing a month of school

for these things as well as stomach trouble.

i think the flu shot over loaded jesse's system and he just caught

everything. it was againist my better judgement to let him have the shot but

his lung dr thought it would help him. next time i will not let them push me

into something that doesn't feel right.

now i do think every person reacts differently to things. some of you may

stay very healthy after the flu shot, in jesse's case it was just to much for

his little body.

shelly

[Guest guest]

I had my flu shot in Oct, when there was such a shortage (in this area of the

country anyway). I have a bad cold, but no flu. Tery - FL

[Guest guest]

,

I couldn't have said it better. I was trying to say something to this affect

in my last post. I guess I am out of practice! LOL! I have had JRA for 19

years now and I don't get the flu. Heck, I didn't get chicken pox until I was

16 years old. I just don't get sick. I get a good cold once a year and lose

my voice. That's it. Ryder's grandmother is always trying to get me to get a

flu shot. In the 11 years that I have been with Ryder, I have never gotten

the flu, and I tell her this, but you know some people. They are never wrong.

=) When she gets the shot, she gets sicker than a dog! No thank you!

Especially since I don't get the flu in the first place, why line up to get

it? And my doc doesn't recommend them.

=)

~Rainy Sue

In a message dated 1/10/01 4:11:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

12341234@... writes:

>

> jesse has never had a flu shot until a few months ago and he never caught a

> single thing that the rest of us did expect maybe stomach virus. Shortly

> after he got the flu shot a few months ago he started to catch everything.

> He

> had a small lung infection and an ear infection. thank god we caught the

> lung

> infection before it did much damage. He did end up missing a month of

> school

> for these things as well as stomach trouble.

>

> i think the flu shot over loaded jesse's system and he just caught

> everything. it was againist my better judgement to let him have the shot

> but

> his lung dr thought it would help him. next time i will not let them push

> me

> into something that doesn't feel right.

>

> now i do think every person reacts differently to things. some of you may

> stay very healthy after the flu shot, in jesse's case it was just to much

> for

> his little body.

>

> shelly

[Guest guest]

my rheumi says i should NOT get the flu shot. does everyone elses dr's advise

it? kathy in il

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy and all!! My RA doctor TOLD me I not only had to get a flu shot

but also a pneumonia shot also. I'll ask her this week what could be the

difference. I do not have a history of the flu or respitory problems, so I

don't know why she would be so emphatic. I can't believe the price has

gone up to $25.00 for pneumonia shots..the flu shot is still $15.00. I've

been reading the story of Tina Wesson. She is the lady who won Survivor II

and has RA. All I can say, is there is no way I could sleep on the ground

in Australia and get up the next morning and function. Best get some rest

myself, or I won't be functioning tomorrow!! Lila

> [Original Message]

> From: <kringlemom@...>

> < >

> Date: 11/11/01 6:56:40 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: [ ] flu shot

>

> my rheumi says i should NOT get the flu shot. does everyone elses dr's

advise

> it? kathy in il

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes i read that also about the lady on survivor, she was taking metho

injections. i couldn't do that either. i'll have to question my dr on why she

does NOT want me to get flu shot. this is what she told me last year. perhaps

because i get so sick anyway. kathy in il

[Guest guest]

well i don't understand why unless it's because my immune system is so low. i

am home now so hopefully i won't be as exposed this year anyway. kathy in il

[Guest guest]

I think it depends on your dr and and your health...I have gotten the flu

shot every yr since 96 and I have gotten the pneumovax a couple yrs

ago......I have managed to not get so sick as I used to.My son's pediatrician

used to make my son get one too because he is an allergic asthmatic like

me...but also kids in public schools tend to bring home all those lovely

germs that we might not otherwise be exposed to....( I tend to not go to many

crowded places once fall happens and this helps too).I know the last year or

so before the flu shots I was sick continually with flu, URI, strept, colds,

etc.seems I never could stay well.....) Judy in AZ

[Guest guest]

my rheumi says i should NOT get the flu shot. does everyone elses dr's advise

it? kathy in il

Hi Kathy,

I had to respond to this. This surprises me. My doctor wants me to have it

because of the RA. Last year I didn't get it because I was sick at the time, I

had a rough time with illness over the winter months and into the spring. This

year I got mine in October.

P

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

I don't know what to do. My primary tells me, I have to get it. The

Rheumy didn't say a word. My son who makes drugs doesn't get. He suppose

to at work but doesn't believe in it. Primarily because of the way they

make it. I don't understand all he tells me. I would be interested in

what others are doing.

Lynn

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> From: kringlemom@...

>

> Subject: Re: Re: [ ] flu shot

> Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:56 PM

>

> my rheumi says i should NOT get the flu shot. does everyone elses dr's

advise

> it? kathy in il

>

>

[Guest guest]

I won't ever get a flu shot. I don't know if I

really should voice my opinion on

this subject because am so much against them.

One thing I did read that I

have to pass on is that of the flu cases reported,

50% was misdiagnosed as

the flu. Lynn the reason I won't get one is the

same reason your son won't.

When I was at the doctor's last week, I overheard

2 woman talking about how

both of them got really sick after the flu shots.

a

Re: Re: [ ] flu shot

Hi Kathy,

I don't know what to do. My primary tells

me, I have to get it. The

Rheumy didn't say a word. My son who makes

drugs doesn't get. He suppose

to at work but doesn't believe in it. Primarily

because of the way they

make it. I don't understand all he tells me. I

would be interested in

what others are doing.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

When got the flu shot last year it was the start of infection after

infection and flare after flare until May of this year. He had never had one

before last year and was never that sick with out the flu shot. I don't plan

on him having it this year just to see if he has the same trouble. His drs

insist that he get it as well as everyone in the house.

As with anything you have to think about your own health and decide if its

right for you or not. Me being in the position that I have to make the

decision after talking to about it can be tricky.

[Guest guest]

Why on earth would anyone give a sick person a shot to build immunities for their illness? It does not work that way!!!

That's exactly what I and another coworker said. I would question this whole thing. I'm sure they are in deep mourning right now but hopefully when their heads clear, they will look into this tragedy further. I would not walk away and just accept something like this. I wanted to find some articles where perhaps the same thing happened to someone else and they could site gross negligence on the part of the physician.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

Why on earth would anyone give a sick person a shot to build immunities for their illness? It does not work that way!!!

Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlBill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!aeranch@...

----- Original Message -----

From: MorningGlory113@...

health

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: flu shot

Does anyone know anything about flu shots? Yeah..I know they're bad for you and all, but I just found out something that I feel very bad about. A co-worker's 18 month old granddaughter died on New Year's Eve. The mother said she appeared to have a cold and she took her to the doctor. The doctor gave the baby a flu shot. That night the baby turned blue and died! I am still in shock, as I saw this baby often when the mother would bring her into work. Has anyone read anything about any connection between giving a sick infant a flu shot and death?? If this baby simply had a cold I see no reason for her to suddenly die, unless the shot was responsible.Gloria

[Guest guest]

Gloria, I stay away from human doctors as much as possible. But I know from raising livestock, when a goat is sick with pneumonia, you absolutely do not give a pneumonia vaccine. There is a big antibody booster you give along with meds and.or supportive treatment. When the goat recovers, then you give the vaccine. Never, never when it is sick. Someone really screwed up big time. I feel for the poor family! Malpractice insurance will not heal their hearts.

Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlBill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!aeranch@...

----- Original Message -----

From: MorningGlory113@...

health

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:36 PM

Subject: Re: flu shot

Why on earth would anyone give a sick person a shot to build immunities for their illness? It does not work that way!!!

That's exactly what I and another coworker said. I would question this whole thing. I'm sure they are in deep mourning right now but hopefully when their heads clear, they will look into this tragedy further. I would not walk away and just accept something like this. I wanted to find some articles where perhaps the same thing happened to someone else and they could site gross negligence on the part of the physician.Gloria

[Guest guest]

My goodness, Gloria! This is awful. I don't really have an answer for

your question other than it more than likely was a reaction to the

shot.

I ABSOLUTELY insist that when my granddaughter gets her shots that

they be mercury and lead free. There is no way my daughter and son-in-

law will accept the FACT that the shots are not only unnecessary but

potentially lethal.

But I feel so bad about this. We will keep the family, and you in our

prayers.

--- In health , MorningGlory113@...

wrote:

>

> Does anyone know anything about flu shots? Yeah..I know they're bad

for you

> and all, but I just found out something that I feel very bad about.

A

> co-worker's 18 month old granddaughter died on New Year's Eve. The

mother said she

> appeared to have a cold and she took her to the doctor. The doctor

gave the baby a

> flu shot. That night the baby turned blue and died! I am still in

shock, as I

> saw this baby often when the mother would bring her into work. Has

anyone

> read anything about any connection between giving a sick infant a

flu shot and

> death?? If this baby simply had a cold I see no reason for her to

suddenly die,

> unless the shot was responsible.

>

> Gloria

>

[Guest guest]

If the " doctor " was not in private practice, his records would be

accessable, though getting to it is a trial in and of itself. I've

been through the process with the " doctor " that almost killed me, and

had to leave the " profession " due to so many deaths on his record. It

is a difficult process, but the information can probably be obtained

concerning this " doctor's " past patient history.

--- In health , MorningGlory113@...

wrote:

>

> Why on earth would anyone give a sick person a shot to build

immunities for

> their illness? It does not work that way!!!

>

> That's exactly what I and another coworker said. I would question

this whole

> thing. I'm sure they are in deep mourning right now but hopefully

when their

> heads clear, they will look into this tragedy further. I would not

walk away

> and just accept something like this. I wanted to find some articles

where

> perhaps the same thing happened to someone else and they could site

gross negligence

> on the part of the physician.

>

> Gloria

>

[Guest guest]

but the information can probably be obtained

concerning this "doctor's" past patient history.

Well since the funeral does not appear to be delayed, I doubt if they are going to look into it. I'll have to see the frame of mind of the grandmother when she comes back into work next week. If she accepts what happened as simply an "act of God" then I won't mention anything. If she questions the doctor's actions, I'll casually mention an independent autopsy and looking into the doctor's medical records. I'm not going to push an issue on people who aren't ready to hear it.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

And I know it sounds very mean, but gross stupidity on the part of the parents.

I think it's more ignorance than stupidity. They simply trusted the doctors and don't know any better. When the baby was born she almost died due to some problems at her birth. It was touch and go for months. She fully recovered and I'm sure it was largely due to constant medical treatment and supervision that was given to her. Parents like this don't know where to draw the line when it comes to faith in doctors. This may have been the same doctor who originally saved her life and, in their minds, they had no reason to question him. They probably still don't.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

Ignorance is not a blessing.

Sometimes I forget that 99% of the population hasn't a clue. Incidents like this baby dying bring me back to "their" reality. They believe what they're told. Period.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

This is what Dr. Mercola says

about shots, in general, for kids:

If the average American were aware of the common

components of vaccines, they may think twice before considering them. Now they

have replaced mercury with equally damaging toxins, aluminum and formaldehyde.

But the list of vaccine fillers doesn't end there. Here is a partial list of

some of the other fillers that vaccines could contain:

aluminum hydroxide

animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney,

monkey kidney, chick embryo, human diploid cells (originating from human

aborted fetal tissue)

monosodium glutamate (MSG)

phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)

sorbitol

sucrose

These additives are often more dangerous than the

viral component of the vaccine. If you are a parent and are considering

vaccinating your child, please read up on the potentially devastating side

effects of vaccines before doing so, it could mean the difference between life

and death.

Also – make sure you read “Death by

Lethal Vaccine Injection” - http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/7/vaccine_death.htm

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[Guest guest]

People have forgotten that pregnancy is a *natural* occurrence, not a medical procedure.

I'm not 100% sure it was complications from pregnancy. The baby might have been born with a physical defect. I just know that they were a mess for months because she almost died from whatever it the problem was. She was their miracle child surviving after a lot of pain and anguish. Then to have her die from "a cold" a year and half later. Whew!

[Guest guest]

It sounds like an allergic reaction to the flu shot... I would have an independent autopsy done, to find out what exactly killed this child... I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling... MorningGlory113@... wrote: Does anyone know anything about flu shots? Yeah..I know they're bad for you and all, but I just found out something that I feel very bad about. A co-worker's 18 month old granddaughter died on New Year's Eve. The mother said she appeared to have a cold and she took her to the doctor. The doctor gave the baby a flu shot. That night the baby turned blue and died! I am still in shock, as I saw this baby often when the mother would bring her into work. Has anyone read anything about any connection between giving a sick infant a flu shot and

death?? If this baby simply had a cold I see no reason for her to suddenly die, unless the shot was responsible. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In the medical profession a flu shot is "NEVER" given when there is any sign of a cold or any other type of active infection in the body. The reason for this is, the vaccine is made from a component of the virus itself. So if there is another virus active in the body (like a cold) it will amplify the effect of the infection. This is not the first time a death has occurred after a flu shot was given with an active infection in the body. That is the very reason that one must be in a state of general health when the vaccine is given. It is done this way to prevent possible complications or even death. All this is part of the training I had to receive when I gave out flu shots in New York State. My thoughts and prayers are with that poor family. I cannot imagine their grief.

Lynn

Three lights that illumine any darkness...Truth, Nature and Knowledge. The three Triads of Ireland.

Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh(Remember the people whom you come from)

----- Original Message -----

From: MorningGlory113@...

health

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: flu shot

Does anyone know anything about flu shots? Yeah..I know they're bad for you and all, but I just found out something that I feel very bad about. A co-worker's 18 month old granddaughter died on New Year's Eve. The mother said she appeared to have a cold and she took her to the doctor. The doctor gave the baby a flu shot. That night the baby turned blue and died! I am still in shock, as I saw this baby often when the mother would bring her into work. Has anyone read anything about any connection between giving a sick infant a flu shot and death?? If this baby simply had a cold I see no reason for her to suddenly die, unless the shot was responsible.Gloria