Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 And I know it sounds very mean, but gross stupidity on the part of the parents. Most of us have learned these things through losing a favorite pet to such practices and will never let it happen again. But to lose a child is obviously even more devastating. I just hope that they do realize when they get their heads back together that this could have been prevented and learn to say no to doctors. They have my sympathy. Sharyn From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of MorningGlory113@... gross negligence on the part of the physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 People sadly are quick to respond to drs. My latest local grandbaby almost 2 months old is getting her vaccinations. I suggested to son to read more and his frozen wife was there. She said no way--this baby is going to have its shots. They are the parents and its their choice. Ignorance is not a blessing. Been there, done that and not willing to stay there any longer. carolg"Sharyn E. Cerniglia" <sharyn.cerniglia@...> wrote: And I know it sounds very mean, but gross stupidity on the part of the parents. Most of us have learned these things through losing a favorite pet to such practices and will never let it happen again. But to lose a child is obviously even more devastating. I just hope that they do realize when they get their heads back together that this could have been prevented and learn to say no to doctors. They have my sympathy. Sharyn From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of MorningGlory113@... gross negligence on the part of the physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 I can guarantee that the flu shot sent the poor child into the aether. Sad, so sad. Vaccinations are never good for anyone at any time. They are toxic and invasive. When will the multitudes awaken and understand that their bodies are sacrosanct and not meant to be stuck, cut, burnt, nuked, drugged, etc? I empathize with this family and I cry for the loss of the child. Don MorningGlory113@... wrote: > When I got to work tonight there was an update on the 18 month old > baby who died. An autopsy report said that she died from a very rare > type of pneumonia and that even if they had gotten to a hospital it > wouldn't have mattered because even the most powerful antibiotics > weren't enough to kill this particular strain. I don't know if the flu > shot contributed or what caused the sudden death. I just know that the > family is a total mess over it. The daughter's only child. The > grandmother's only grandchild. > > Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 I’m with Gayla on this one. Except they wouldn’t have given an antibiotic shot for the flu (not if they had any brains) because the flu is viral and antibiotics don’t work on viruses. Sharyn From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Gayla I am being nasty, but it is easy to diagnose a rare form of something unfixable when there is a dead body on hand and some explaining to do. Like, why did the dr give a flu shot? Unless it was a misunderstanding and the shot was an antibiotic to deal with the flu they thought she might have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Sharyn, they could have given an antibiotic to prevent a secondary infection. But there is a particularly virulent strain of RSV going around that causes pneumonia and cold-like symptoms. The baby could have died from it. The shot could have been anything, as we have discussed. I am going to drop this thread, personally. It is too upsetting to me. I see most drs as power hungry glory hounds who have stopped learning a long time ago. I tell my DH I would rather go to a decent vet than a dr. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlBill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!aeranch@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharyn E. Cerniglia health Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: RE: Re: flu shot I’m with Gayla on this one. Except they wouldn’t have given an antibiotic shot for the flu (not if they had any brains) because the flu is viral and antibiotics don’t work on viruses. Sharyn From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Gayla I am being nasty, but it is easy to diagnose a rare form of something unfixable when there is a dead body on hand and some explaining to do. Like, why did the dr give a flu shot? Unless it was a misunderstanding and the shot was an antibiotic to deal with the flu they thought she might have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 How sad. If they signed a waiver to not hold the dr. responsible then I wonder if legal action can be pursued? Where does mal practice come in? If they signed a waiver, it would take a really good lawyer to win the case. There is a great lawyer here...never loses, but big $$$$$$$$. The family doesn't have much money but this would be the lawyer to hire. Not sure if they signed a waiver or not. The lawyer would have to prove that the mother didn't understand the real implications of giving the ok for a flu shot to a sick child. And this would be true. Has this hit the papers? TV? Maybe granny can take on this additional burden? No lawsuit has been filed so there was just an obituary. I'm sure it will hit the papers if decides to take it further. If believes the doctor is liable, then her daughter does too. It depends on how persistent and proactive they want to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Severe adverse reactions to shots have been none to cause sudden death in infants. It is possible the baby died of something else though. They will do an autopsy probably. Sometimes they just don’t know what causes these deaths. I am surprised the doctor gave her the vaccine despite her illness though. Regardless of cause the death it will be reported to the CDC as possibly linked to the shot. Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of MorningGlory113@... Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:19 PM To: health Subject: Re: flu shot Does anyone know anything about flu shots? Yeah..I know they're bad for you and all, but I just found out something that I feel very bad about. A co-worker's 18 month old granddaughter died on New Year's Eve. The mother said she appeared to have a cold and she took her to the doctor. The doctor gave the baby a flu shot. That night the baby turned blue and died! I am still in shock, as I saw this baby often when the mother would bring her into work. Has anyone read anything about any connection between giving a sick infant a flu shot and death?? If this baby simply had a cold I see no reason for her to suddenly die, unless the shot was responsible. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Some babies just aren’t meant to live guys. It’s sad, but perhaps she was here on Earth for a short time to teach those around her and then was called back home. As much as I would like to change the most devastating losses in my own life, I know that I would not be the person I am today without having experienced them. Food for thought… Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of MorningGlory113@... Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:11 AM To: health Subject: Re: flu shot People have forgotten that pregnancy is a *natural* occurrence, not a medical procedure. I'm not 100% sure it was complications from pregnancy. The baby might have been born with a physical defect. I just know that they were a mess for months because she almost died from whatever it the problem was. She was their miracle child surviving after a lot of pain and anguish. Then to have her die from " a cold " a year and half later. Whew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 How sad. If they signed a waiver to not hold the dr. responsible then I wonder if legal action can be pursued? Where does mal practice come in? Has this hit the papers? TV? Maybe granny can take on this additional burden? hugs, carolg......MorningGlory113@... wrote: I’m with Gayla on this one. Except they wouldn’t have given an antibiotic shot for the flu (not if they had any brains) because the flu is viral and antibiotics don’t work on viruses.The funeral was today and I heard it was gut wrenching. My managers and a few co-workers went and they were all zoned out for the rest of the day at work. My manager said that the grandmother (who works with us) said she feels the doctor is responsible for what happened. The child's regular doctor wasn't in the office that day (Sunday...NY's eve) and there was an on-call doctor they didn't know. He was the one who gave the shot. Someone told me that the parents have to sign a lot of papers before a child get a flu shot...release forms etc. I don't know if they were asked to do that. I don't know if the grandmother will pursue this with any legal action. We're actually hoping she will.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007  A waiver will not stand up in court for this. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlBill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!aeranch@... ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: flu shot How sad. If they signed a waiver to not hold the dr. responsible then I wonder if legal action can be pursued? Where does mal practice come in? Has this hit the papers? TV? Maybe granny can take on this additional burden? hugs, carolg......MorningGlory113@... wrote: I’m with Gayla on this one. Except they wouldn’t have given an antibiotic shot for the flu (not if they had any brains) because the flu is viral and antibiotics don’t work on viruses.The funeral was today and I heard it was gut wrenching. My managers and a few co-workers went and they were all zoned out for the rest of the day at work. My manager said that the grandmother (who works with us) said she feels the doctor is responsible for what happened. The child's regular doctor wasn't in the office that day (Sunday...NY's eve) and there was an on-call doctor they didn't know. He was the one who gave the shot. Someone told me that the parents have to sign a lot of papers before a child get a flu shot...release forms etc. I don't know if they were asked to do that. I don't know if the grandmother will pursue this with any legal action. We're actually hoping she will.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Sounds like me in the er when I stuck my finger in my Champion. I wouldn't take their tetnaus shot and I thought they were going to have me arrested! I did go to my naturopath and I got a shot that is JUST tetnaus, nothing else. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Same in Washington state. I know a couple drs that have stopped delivering babies because of the malpractice insurance. Wonder where they are all going if they are leaving PA and WA? Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I took it this year without any problems. My WBC at the time was 2.3. All of my doctors recommended it. 2 local oncologist's as well as Dr. Mauro at OSHU in Portland. Best wishes- 35 CML 5/13/05 Wife and mother of 3 (12,,8,6) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Hi Donna, I have been taking the flu shot every year since diagnosis without any ill effects. My WBC counts have all been in or very close to the normal range. What do your doctors suggest? Zavie Zavie (age 69) 67 Shoreham Avenue Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3 dxd AUG/99 INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01 Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg) CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club 2.8 log reduction Sep/05 3.0 log reduction Jan/06 2.9 log reduction Feb/07 3.2 log reduction Jun/07 3.6 log reduction Sep/07 e-mail: zmiller@... Tel: 613-726-1117 Fax: 309-296-0807 Cell: 613-202-0204 ID: zaviem _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of donnaberry99 Sent: December 10, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: [ ] Flu Shot Hi there, What do you all think about the Flu shot, and have you had it? I have never had to worry about the flu ever but since dx in May I spend life on the Neutropenic border (lol)so assume a bad bout of the flu could possibly be bad news?????? Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Same thing. Now I don't really need it but I am glad to do without the flu so I keep getting it. No ill effects at all. Marcos. On Dec 10, 2007 8:19 AM, <vegasrnjen@...> wrote: > > > > > I took it this year without any problems. My WBC at the time was 2.3. All > of my doctors recommended it. 2 local oncologist's as well as Dr. Mauro at > OSHU in Portland. > > Best wishes- > 35 > CML 5/13/05 > Wife and mother of 3 (12,,8,6) > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I get on every year and don't have any problems. @...: montereyunderwater@...: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:25:56 -0800Subject: Re: [ ] Flu Shot Same thing. Now I don't really need it but I am glad to do without theflu so I keep getting it. No ill effects at all.Marcos.On Dec 10, 2007 8:19 AM, <vegasrnjen@...> wrote:>>>>> I took it this year without any problems. My WBC at the time was 2.3. All> of my doctors recommended it. 2 local oncologist's as well as Dr. Mauro at> OSHU in Portland.>> Best wishes-> 35> CML 5/13/05> Wife and mother of 3 (12,,8,6)>>> **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest> products.> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 The flu shot is a " dead vaccine " so you don't have to worry. Tom got one even when he was on immune suppressants and his ANC was low. Barb Neddo, Mom to Tom, 19, MUD BMT for CML 5/05/05 http://www.caringbridge.org/wi/tomneddo Tom's Bone Marrow Transplant Journey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I have been getting the flu shot every year since diagnosis and it is recommended. I also get the pneumonia shot every 5 yrs. I have asthma and CML so in both cases it is suggested to get these shots. Unfortunately this year I did get the flu before the flu shot was available at my Dr's office but I still got the shot so that I don't get it again. The 2 weeks I had it was bad enough for me. ez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 no, it shouldn't cause that reaction. The flu shot does not contain live virus. But I would talk to your doctor it could be something else. Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 This is the first year I have had my flu shot since I started Remicade. For several days after the shot I was tired, achey, generally not feeling good. Could this be from the shot? Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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