Thyroid

[Guest guest]

Hi! Let me jump in here and say , " let's don't mix apples and oranges

here. " Kari's right about getting proper blood tests to check thyroid

function. But when we are talking about low body temperature, I think we

are talking 's syndrome - which is a thyroid malfunction.....but it

may NOT (probably won't) show up on blood tests. Your thyroid tests will

be prefectly normal. 's is diagnosed primarily by the low body

temperature.

I think many of our mainstream medical doctor's don't even know about

's. You may have to seek help from an " alternative medical

practitioner: " For further information go over to 's wonderful

website and click on 's Syndrome. Judy (deejay)

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> From: Rominski <skifamily@...>

> New Support Group <rheumaticonelist>

> Subject: rheumatic Thyroid

> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:35 AM

>

> From: " Rominski " <skifamily@...>

>

> Hello Everybody,

>

> I have been on .10 mg of Synthroid for many years, and I am tested

regularly

> to see if my thyroid is functioning properly. Any physician can do a

simple

> series of blood tests to check the thyroid function. Because an

> out-of-whack thyroid can cause serious trouble, if you suspect a problem,

I

> would definitely find out for sure via medical testing rather than rely

on

> self-testing..

>

> Bye,

>

> Kari

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kari,

I'm glad the thyroid testing was so straight forward for you <warm smile>

Unfortunately that is not the case for everyone and is exactly how a thyroid

problem can be missed. It does not always show in the 'conventional' bloods,

so testing for a temperature that is consistently way too low is a much more

reliable tool........IMHO :-))

This test is not a laymans test but a doctors test and there is much

literature to support it by other doctors as well.

hugs,

lisbeth

rheumatic Thyroid

>From: " Rominski " <skifamily@...>

>

>Hello Everybody,

>

>I have been on .10 mg of Synthroid for many years, and I am tested

regularly

>to see if my thyroid is functioning properly. Any physician can do a

simple

>series of blood tests to check the thyroid function. Because an

>out-of-whack thyroid can cause serious trouble, if you suspect a problem, I

>would definitely find out for sure via medical testing rather than rely on

>self-testing.

>

>Bye,

>

>Kari

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/26/01 6:01:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, greenvil@... writes:

About a year ago I asked our doc to investigate thyroid issues for my

daughter (I was not suspicious, I only had heard that it should be

investigated) he ran blood work and found everything to be OK. Does

anybody know if this is considered adequate testing? Thanks!

What lab ran the test? I can tell you that 2 1/2 years ago our doctor ordered this test and it came back negative. However, recently we had another doctor order it again and it came back with T3's and T4's high--she ran it twice to make sure. I was told that his body might have changed but I doubt it. He was a big baby when he was born, but since has been very small. I think the first test was just wrong.

[Guest guest]

I would ask this question on the autism list. Several folks there have a lot

of experience with thyroid tests and treatements with respect to autism.

[ ] Re: Thyroid

> Sometimes hypothyroid can be caused by the body's inability to

> convert T4 to T3 hormone. Rather than just check these levels, there

> is a test called the TRS which stimulates the pituitary gland to see

> if the patient has this problem. I hope this is helpful.

>

> Dennis

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes hypothyroid can be caused by the body's inability to

convert T4 to T3 hormone. Rather than just check these levels, there

is a test called the TRS which stimulates the pituitary gland to see

if the patient has this problem. I hope this is helpful.

Dennis

--- In @y..., " J. Greenberg " <greenvil@b...>

wrote:

> Hi Folks,

> About a year ago I asked our doc to investigate thyroid issues for

my

> daughter (I was not suspicious, I only had heard that it should be

> investigated) he ran blood work and found everything to be OK. Does

> anybody know if this is considered adequate testing? Thanks!

> Marisol

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/27/01 9:15:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ginger@... writes:

<< I would

also suggest doing body temperatures- that is a very good indicator of

thyroid function.

>>

G:

Could you elaborate a little more on this point? My son's 'normal' body

temperature (when he's not sick) is chronically low- like 96 point something.

Is this a possible indicator of some thyroid issue?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Probably not. My doctor declared my daughter " OK " when her TSH was on the

screaming edge of clinical hypothyroid. I went over his head, got her

treated, and she is doing much better now. Even he agrees that I did the

right thing. (Big help, right?!?) To do a full thyroid screen, they should

look at TSH, free T3, free T4, and both antibodies (to look at autoimmune

disease.) Another good thing to do is get a copy of " The Thyroid

Connection " by Ridha Arem to educate yourself on thyroid issues. I would

also suggest doing body temperatures- that is a very good indicator of

thyroid function.

Zinc deficiency will also lead to hypothyroid.

G

I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes

several days attack me at once. -- Unlimited

[ ] Thyroid

Hi Folks,

About a year ago I asked our doc to investigate thyroid issues for my

daughter (I was not suspicious, I only had heard that it should be

investigated) he ran blood work and found everything to be OK. Does

anybody know if this is considered adequate testing? Thanks!

Marisol

[Guest guest]

Ginger probably has more specifics, but the low temperature is common

for thyroid disorders, autism, and mercury toxicity. Hmmmmm.... My

son (ASD) and I (CFS/FMS) both have low temperatures and have been

through all the thyroid tests - very normal - and are now chelating

with good results (except for the rashes and pimples - trying to

lol), but rise in temp yet.

-- In @y..., amterry@a... wrote:

Could you elaborate a little more on this point? My son's 'normal'

body temperature (when he's not sick) is chronically low- like 96

point something. Is this a possible indicator of some thyroid issue?

> Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Yup, sure could be!! I would suggest getting that book out of the library

and educating yourself. Hypothyroid is one of the biggest undertreated

problems in medicine today- perhaps only eclipsed by toxic metals!! It's a

chicken and egg thing too- metals will mess up thyroid, but you need a fixed

thyroid for your body to function properly. If you are chelating, you

should revisit thyroid testing every once in awhile because I would bet that

if zinc levels normalize and the metals are gone that the thyroid might just

repair itself.

If your body was 2-3 degrees over normal body temperature, you would feel

awful, and your whole biochemistry would be off. Why do doctors think that

a body temperature 2-3 degrees under normal would not make you feel equally

bad? A lot of your enzymes probably don't even function when body temp gets

too far out of range!!

G

I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes

several days attack me at once. -- Unlimited

<< I would

also suggest doing body temperatures- that is a very good indicator of

thyroid function.

>>

G:

Could you elaborate a little more on this point? My son's 'normal' body

temperature (when he's not sick) is chronically low- like 96 point

something.

Is this a possible indicator of some thyroid issue?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I imagine if zinc levels normalize by removing the offending heavy metals,

this could lead to an improvement in thyroid function also.

G

I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes

several days attack me at once. -- Unlimited

Ginger probably has more specifics, but the low temperature is common

for thyroid disorders, autism, and mercury toxicity. Hmmmmm.... My

son (ASD) and I (CFS/FMS) both have low temperatures and have been

through all the thyroid tests - very normal - and are now chelating

with good results (except for the rashes and pimples - trying to

lol), but rise in temp yet.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I might have posted this before, but my favorite hypothyroid site is:

http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/coldbody.html#Obs

It's not the most scientific site, but is very descriptive and a bit

entertaining.

> << I would

> also suggest doing body temperatures- that is a very good indicator of

> thyroid function.

> >>

> G:

> Could you elaborate a little more on this point? My son's 'normal' body

> temperature (when he's not sick) is chronically low- like 96 point something.

> Is this a possible indicator of some thyroid issue?

> Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Ricci,

We haven't repeated Evan's thyroid panel since we started chelation. He had low

T4

at 5 (which was not diagnosed because the lab used adult reference ranges) and

low T4

at 7. In fact every time (3 times) that his thyroid levels were checked--adult

levels were used; even when the tests were ordered by the pediatric

endocrinologist.

Between 5 and 7, Evan's growth was dismal. He was very pale and had a deep,

hoarse

voice. Now he is growing like a weed. He has gained 11 pounds and grown 3

inches in

the past 11 months. He is not back up to the 95th percentile like he was at 4

years

old, but he definitely is more healthy looking and his muscle strength is

greatly

improved. On his latest thyroid testing (done about a year ago and 6 months

after

starting zinc supplementation) his T4 was low normal.

[Guest guest]

Dennis is absolutley right on !

My son's T3 is low and his T4 high thereby indicating a lack of

ability to convert.

Buzz

> > Hi Folks,

> > About a year ago I asked our doc to investigate thyroid issues

for

> my

> > daughter (I was not suspicious, I only had heard that it should be

> > investigated) he ran blood work and found everything to be OK.

Does

> > anybody know if this is considered adequate testing? Thanks!

> > Marisol

[Guest guest]

Mike,

I do not appreciate you putting my private messages to you on the

site those were directly to you and not for public eyes. Now even if

I would buy the product, it would not be from you. What I write you

personaly is between you and I. Please do not contact me again, on or

off site. I will delete any message from you. Using my private

messages was very disrespectful. You have hit a nerve with many

people, and now you have done it with me, not a good thing. I guess

they are right, you are just a sales man trying to make a buck off of

peoples emotions, and that is really sad that you would try to use

nice people to your advantage. And I even let you know I would like

to stay out of the debate. You did not respect my request, therefore

I have no respect for you, and others are right, you should leave our

site, I don't think you are going to get any business here, you

certainly won't get mine. Sincerly, Leah

Hi Mike,

> I would be interested in knowing more about what you have for

thyroid, I have failed to take care of my health, Ihave gained weight

and I have taken my temperature and it is low every morning, not to

low but 96.2 , I know that indicates low thyroid and yet when I have

blood work done it comes up in the middle range and they never want

to help me by giving me something. I have had many other symptoms of

low thyroid , Thanks, Leah

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to purchase your 7-keto-DHEA. What do I need to do?

Neena Garza

ngarza@...

[ ] thyroid

>

> Leah: 7-keto-DHEA is different from DHEA:

>http://www.humaneticscorp.com/7keto/7ketoabstracts.html

>Respectfully, Mike Menkes, LMT

> Valadez <valadez4@...> wrote: Hi Mike,I have taken products with

DHEA and I am unable to take it, the reaction I have is uncontrolable tears

and depression, I have tryed products with this in it several times before,

I am extemely sensitive to many products I usually have to start with things

that have a single product in them or something I know I am safe to take,

but thank you for your information anyway, I find natural products quite

interesting, my husband and I have read up and used many in the past. Thanks

again, Leah Re:

thyroid

>

>Leah: I created the formulation with 7-keto-DHEA for thyroid stimulation

and usnea as an anti-fungal.

>By taking 1 capsule twice daily, you may notice a change for the better

after the third week.

>60 capsules = $49.95 delivered.

>Let me know what you would like to do.

>Respectfully,

>Mike Menkes, LMT

> Valadez <valadez4@...> wrote: Hi Mike,

>I would be interested in knowing more about what you have for thyroid, I

have failed to take care of my health, Ihave gained weight and I have taken

my temperature and it is low every morning, not to low but 96.2 , I know

that indicates low thyroid and yet when I have blood work done it comes up

in the middle range and they never want to help me by giving me something.

I have had many other symptoms of low thyroid , Thanks, Leah

>

>

>---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to purchase some of your 7-keto-DHEA. What do I need to do?

Neena Garza

ngarza@...

[ ] thyroid

>

> Leah: 7-keto-DHEA is different from DHEA:

>http://www.humaneticscorp.com/7keto/7ketoabstracts.html

>Respectfully, Mike Menkes, LMT

> Valadez <valadez4@...> wrote: Hi Mike,I have taken products with

DHEA and I am unable to take it, the reaction I have is uncontrolable tears

and depression, I have tryed products with this in it several times before,

I am extemely sensitive to many products I usually have to start with things

that have a single product in them or something I know I am safe to take,

but thank you for your information anyway, I find natural products quite

interesting, my husband and I have read up and used many in the past. Thanks

again, Leah Re:

thyroid

>

>Leah: I created the formulation with 7-keto-DHEA for thyroid stimulation

and usnea as an anti-fungal.

>By taking 1 capsule twice daily, you may notice a change for the better

after the third week.

>60 capsules = $49.95 delivered.

>Let me know what you would like to do.

>Respectfully,

>Mike Menkes, LMT

> Valadez <valadez4@...> wrote: Hi Mike,

>I would be interested in knowing more about what you have for thyroid, I

have failed to take care of my health, Ihave gained weight and I have taken

my temperature and it is low every morning, not to low but 96.2 , I know

that indicates low thyroid and yet when I have blood work done it comes up

in the middle range and they never want to help me by giving me something.

I have had many other symptoms of low thyroid , Thanks, Leah

>

>

>---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

> >I would be interested in knowing more about what you have for

thyroid, I

> have failed to take care of my health, Ihave gained weight and I

have taken

> my temperature and it is low every morning, not to low but 96.2 , I

know

> that indicates low thyroid and yet when I have blood work done it

comes up

> in the middle range and they never want to help me by giving me

something.

> I have had many other symptoms of low thyroid , Thanks, Leah

> >

> >

> >---------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Mike,

Do you ever not try to sell something? I am begining to think that is the

only reason you're on the newsgroup.

Mark

[ ] thyroid

>

> Neena: My formulation addresses more than the thyroid function. That is

why Dr Shames does not use name-brand, single use items, like Twin

Labs/Vitamin Shoppe. My formulation addresses the low thyroid, candidiasis,

trace mineral requirements, strengthening of the vascular system, and

neutralizing endo-toxins when the fungi die off. You may purchase my

formulation from me for $49.95 delivered. Fax your order to me at (509)

692-4790. I do accept Visa/MC, and my product is guaranteed to work for you

within 30 days, or I will refund your money. My product has been clinically

proven to increase resting temperature [see http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com]

within 30 days, without drugs, in 45/50 people in Boca Raton, FL. Mood

elevation, energy, better skin and digestion, increased libido, fat loss,

regular elimination, sustained stamina are the usual non-placebo responses

shared by my clients within the first three weeks. Respectfully, Mike

Menkes, LMT http://www.thyroidpower.com is whe!

> re you may find out more about Dr Shames' book, Thyroid Power. You may

also just request the radio interview I conducted with Dr Shames [pronounced

Sham' us] in March of this year.

>

> AndyCutler@... wrote: Hi Mike,

> > >I would be interested in knowing more about what you have for

> thyroid, I

> > have failed to take care of my health, Ihave gained weight and I

> have taken

> > my temperature and it is low every morning, not to low but 96.2 , I

> know

> > that indicates low thyroid and yet when I have blood work done it

> comes up

> > in the middle range and they never want to help me by giving me

> something.

> > I have had many other symptoms of low thyroid , Thanks, Leah

> > >

> > >

> > >---------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

There is the T-3 and T-4, if they have not done those.

Lynda

At 05:00 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote:

>i have had many many tests to check my thyroid but nothing posotive

>has come back. i know there is some other speacial thyroid test that

>is more precise then standard tests, does anyone know the name?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

There are quite a number of thyroid tests. Besides the standard TSH, T3 and T4, there is the anti-TPO antibodies (this tests for autoimmune thyroid disease), Free T3, Free T4, T3 Uptake, TSH Ultra Sensitive, and Anti-thyroglobulin antibodies. Finally, there is the TRH test, and the Iodine Uptake Scan for the most sensitive measurements.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: kimp885

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: thyroid/QUESTION TO DIAMONDS

i have done those. is there anything else.diamonds-can you give me the dr on ny you mentioned. susan something. is there a website?

[Guest guest]

Some docs will treat you if they find that you have positive thyroid antibodies. Ask to have both types done. That will show whether there is damage being done to your thyroid due to an auto immune illness. Often when these are positive you will begin to show hypo like symptoms, although not on bloodwork yet. Try that

>From: Lynda >Reply- > >Subject: Re: thyroid >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:41:55 -0700 > >There is the T-3 and T-4, if they have not done those. > >Lynda > > >At 05:00 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote: > >i have had many many tests to check my thyroid but nothing posotive > >has come back. i know there is some other speacial thyroid test that > >is more precise then standard tests, does anyone know the name? > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't you know that the cytomel I ordered from Mexico was confiscated by

the FDA. Damn, don't they have something better to

do, like protecting us from dangerous products like breast

implants. Wonder if I can get the charge reversed on my card?

Lynda

[Guest guest]

Its ridicoulous. Where are you going to get it now from Lynda?

Re: Re: thyroid

Wouldn't you know that the cytomel I ordered from Mexico was confiscated by the FDA. Damn, don't they have something better todo, like protecting us from dangerous products like breast implants. Wonder if I can get the charge reversed on my card?Lynda

[Guest guest]

Don't know. Patty gave me this source. Any ideas?

Lynda

At 10:10 PM 6/17/2004, you wrote:

>Its ridicoulous. Where are you going to get it now from Lynda?

> Re: Re: thyroid

>

>Wouldn't you know that the cytomel I ordered from Mexico was confiscated by

>the FDA. Damn, don't they have something better to

>do, like protecting us from dangerous products like breast

>implants. Wonder if I can get the charge reversed on my card?

>

>Lynda

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ABSOLUTELY! shannon_892000 <shannon_892000@...> wrote:

I have also developed thyroid problems. My doctor said that if you have one auto-immune disease you tend to get more. Do you think this is from the implants?