Re: Approaching Doctor about not vaccinating

October 22, 2008

Thank you Monika.

I am so glad to hear that I am not the only one who doesn't do "check-ups" per say. I have gut feelings when things aren't right with my kids. Or if there is something I can't handle. We go to the doctor. I do not withhold medical care for my kids to avoid an argument. But with being so inquisitive and learning, there is so much I can handle and don't depend on someone else to tell me what I know. I never ever jeoperdize my girls health to prove a point. They come first ALWAYS. I don't let them push me around but I do listen to what they say.

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October 22, 2008

Thank you Monika.

I am so glad to hear that I am not the only one who doesn't do "check-ups" per say. I have gut feelings when things aren't right with my kids. Or if there is something I can't handle. We go to the doctor. I do not withhold medical care for my kids to avoid an argument. But with being so inquisitive and learning, there is so much I can handle and don't depend on someone else to tell me what I know. I never ever jeoperdize my girls health to prove a point. They come first ALWAYS. I don't let them push me around but I do listen to what they say.

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October 22, 2008

Thank you Monika.

I am so glad to hear that I am not the only one who doesn't do "check-ups" per say. I have gut feelings when things aren't right with my kids. Or if there is something I can't handle. We go to the doctor. I do not withhold medical care for my kids to avoid an argument. But with being so inquisitive and learning, there is so much I can handle and don't depend on someone else to tell me what I know. I never ever jeoperdize my girls health to prove a point. They come first ALWAYS. I don't let them push me around but I do listen to what they say.

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October 22, 2008

PS I AGREE!!!!!! What I stated in my previous post still holds my

opinion; however, I cannot emphasize enough that all you have to do is

say no.

And the only - - ONLY - - reason for " well baby visits " is to attempt

to force more people to vaccinate. The ONLY thing we ever got from

" well " visits was sick children from the other sick kids in the

offices (even though they separated sick from well in different rooms).

Finally, the best place to expose you and yours to super strains of

staph and strepp is in hospitals and dr offices where the heavy

involvement of antibacterial soaps and antibiotics allows for such

strains to develop.

t

On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:48 AM, Monika Reign B. wrote:

> All you need to say is that you're not doing it. Simple as that.

> No matter what she says, ignore it. You need to have the attitude

> that you're not budging. If you give the impression that you're not

> positive about your decision, she will most likely go on and on and

> on. You don't need to explain to her your parenting decisions.

> Would you explain to your gynecologist (if you have one) about your

> sexual preferences? None of their damn business.

>

> Also ask yourself this question, does your daughter really need to

> see a pediatrician for you to know that she is healthy? My son

> hasn't seen a doctor since he was 2 months old and the doctor told

> me " there are a lot of crazy, biased stuff on the internet about

> vaccines. Let me get you some real information. " And she came back

> with advertisements/brochures from the VACCINE MANUFACTURERS!

>

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:30 AM, danritter1980 <danritter1980@...

> >wrote:

> I am taking my daughter to her 4 month " well visit " on friday. I am

> looking for ideas to concisely and diplomaticaly express to the doctor

> that I do not want my daughter vaccinated, maybe a good fact sheet to

> print out or some choice wording to express my concerns. I have looked

> at so much information that it is difficult to choose a couple of

> talking points to convey my thoughts, especially to a pediatrician who

> is prepared for these encounters. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

>

October 22, 2008

PS I AGREE!!!!!! What I stated in my previous post still holds my

opinion; however, I cannot emphasize enough that all you have to do is

say no.

And the only - - ONLY - - reason for " well baby visits " is to attempt

to force more people to vaccinate. The ONLY thing we ever got from

" well " visits was sick children from the other sick kids in the

offices (even though they separated sick from well in different rooms).

Finally, the best place to expose you and yours to super strains of

staph and strepp is in hospitals and dr offices where the heavy

involvement of antibacterial soaps and antibiotics allows for such

strains to develop.

t

On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:48 AM, Monika Reign B. wrote:

> All you need to say is that you're not doing it. Simple as that.

> No matter what she says, ignore it. You need to have the attitude

> that you're not budging. If you give the impression that you're not

> positive about your decision, she will most likely go on and on and

> on. You don't need to explain to her your parenting decisions.

> Would you explain to your gynecologist (if you have one) about your

> sexual preferences? None of their damn business.

>

> Also ask yourself this question, does your daughter really need to

> see a pediatrician for you to know that she is healthy? My son

> hasn't seen a doctor since he was 2 months old and the doctor told

> me " there are a lot of crazy, biased stuff on the internet about

> vaccines. Let me get you some real information. " And she came back

> with advertisements/brochures from the VACCINE MANUFACTURERS!

>

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:30 AM, danritter1980 <danritter1980@...

> >wrote:

> I am taking my daughter to her 4 month " well visit " on friday. I am

> looking for ideas to concisely and diplomaticaly express to the doctor

> that I do not want my daughter vaccinated, maybe a good fact sheet to

> print out or some choice wording to express my concerns. I have looked

> at so much information that it is difficult to choose a couple of

> talking points to convey my thoughts, especially to a pediatrician who

> is prepared for these encounters. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

>

October 22, 2008

PS I AGREE!!!!!! What I stated in my previous post still holds my

opinion; however, I cannot emphasize enough that all you have to do is

say no.

And the only - - ONLY - - reason for " well baby visits " is to attempt

to force more people to vaccinate. The ONLY thing we ever got from

" well " visits was sick children from the other sick kids in the

offices (even though they separated sick from well in different rooms).

Finally, the best place to expose you and yours to super strains of

staph and strepp is in hospitals and dr offices where the heavy

involvement of antibacterial soaps and antibiotics allows for such

strains to develop.

t

On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:48 AM, Monika Reign B. wrote:

> All you need to say is that you're not doing it. Simple as that.

> No matter what she says, ignore it. You need to have the attitude

> that you're not budging. If you give the impression that you're not

> positive about your decision, she will most likely go on and on and

> on. You don't need to explain to her your parenting decisions.

> Would you explain to your gynecologist (if you have one) about your

> sexual preferences? None of their damn business.

>

> Also ask yourself this question, does your daughter really need to

> see a pediatrician for you to know that she is healthy? My son

> hasn't seen a doctor since he was 2 months old and the doctor told

> me " there are a lot of crazy, biased stuff on the internet about

> vaccines. Let me get you some real information. " And she came back

> with advertisements/brochures from the VACCINE MANUFACTURERS!

>

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:30 AM, danritter1980 <danritter1980@...

> >wrote:

> I am taking my daughter to her 4 month " well visit " on friday. I am

> looking for ideas to concisely and diplomaticaly express to the doctor

> that I do not want my daughter vaccinated, maybe a good fact sheet to

> print out or some choice wording to express my concerns. I have looked

> at so much information that it is difficult to choose a couple of

> talking points to convey my thoughts, especially to a pediatrician who

> is prepared for these encounters. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

>

October 22, 2008

PS I AGREE!!!!!! What I stated in my previous post still holds my

opinion; however, I cannot emphasize enough that all you have to do is

say no.

And the only - - ONLY - - reason for " well baby visits " is to attempt

to force more people to vaccinate. The ONLY thing we ever got from

" well " visits was sick children from the other sick kids in the

offices (even though they separated sick from well in different rooms).

Finally, the best place to expose you and yours to super strains of

staph and strepp is in hospitals and dr offices where the heavy

involvement of antibacterial soaps and antibiotics allows for such

strains to develop.

t

On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:48 AM, Monika Reign B. wrote:

> All you need to say is that you're not doing it. Simple as that.

> No matter what she says, ignore it. You need to have the attitude

> that you're not budging. If you give the impression that you're not

> positive about your decision, she will most likely go on and on and

> on. You don't need to explain to her your parenting decisions.

> Would you explain to your gynecologist (if you have one) about your

> sexual preferences? None of their damn business.

>

> Also ask yourself this question, does your daughter really need to

> see a pediatrician for you to know that she is healthy? My son

> hasn't seen a doctor since he was 2 months old and the doctor told

> me " there are a lot of crazy, biased stuff on the internet about

> vaccines. Let me get you some real information. " And she came back

> with advertisements/brochures from the VACCINE MANUFACTURERS!

>

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:30 AM, danritter1980 <danritter1980@...

> >wrote:

> I am taking my daughter to her 4 month " well visit " on friday. I am

> looking for ideas to concisely and diplomaticaly express to the doctor

> that I do not want my daughter vaccinated, maybe a good fact sheet to

> print out or some choice wording to express my concerns. I have looked

> at so much information that it is difficult to choose a couple of

> talking points to convey my thoughts, especially to a pediatrician who

> is prepared for these encounters. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

>

October 22, 2008

Tell her/him you don't want the vaccines. Don't have to explain yourself. If you do you might come across as weak and/or crazy, which is the worst way you could come across, in my humble opinion. In fact, in this post you also come across as weak, just asking this type of question. Although it is a good question I suppose, depending on how it's taken.From: danritter1980 <danritter1980@...>Subject: Approaching Doctor about not vaccinatingno-forced-vaccination Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:30 AM

I am taking my daughter to her 4 month "well visit" on friday. I am

looking for ideas to concisely and diplomaticaly express to the doctor

that I do not want my daughter vaccinated, maybe a good fact sheet to

print out or some choice wording to express my concerns. I have looked

at so much information that it is difficult to choose a couple of

talking points to convey my thoughts, especially to a pediatrician who

is prepared for these encounters. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

October 22, 2008

Well said everyone! And yes Ingrid, well-visits are basically a trap

for vaccination schedules. If your child is not sick and progressing,

then why do it? You can always do the weight/height charting at home

- and probably have more fun

Liz

>

> Is there any particular reason for taking your child for a " well visit " ,

> which is merely another ploy for pushing toxic vaccinations on insecure

> young mothers. Surely, you as her mom are the best judge of whether your

> child is developing normally, you don't need a " professional " to

weigh and

> measure your child (you can do that yourself!) or a reassuring pat

on the

> back confirming that you are a " good li'l mom " . You already KNOW

that! There

> is absolutely no need whatsoever to express anything

" diplomatically " to the

> good doc. YOU are the ultimate decision-maker when it comes to the

health

> and well-being of your child, you have the RIGHT to decide whether

or not to

> vaccinate your child. Period! If the " learned " friend doesn't like

it - too

> bad. Tell him to take a hike and find another doctor.

> Please folks, develop a backbone and exercise your rights and above all

> don't allow yourself to be intimidated!

>

> By the way, my UNVACCINATED grandchildren in California (6 years and 19

> months old) haven't been taken to any " well visit " since the day

they were

> born.

> Referring to your previous mail, Karla, regarding the school

physical - when

> my daughter enroled in school recently, she handed them the

> vaccination exemption and also crossed out the " physical

examination " clause

> and wrote in bold letters underneath " NOT WITHOUT MY PRIOR CONSENT " .

>

> Ingrid

>

> I am taking my daughter to her 4 month " well visit " on friday. I am

> looking for ideas to concisely and diplomaticaly express to the doctor

> that I do not want my daughter vaccinated, maybe a good fact sheet to

> print out or some choice wording to express my concerns. I have looked

> at so much information that it is difficult to choose a couple of

> talking points to convey my thoughts, especially to a pediatrician who

> is prepared for these encounters. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 22, 2008

Have you ever had discussions with this doctor about vaccinations? Be

very prepared for things to turn very hostile and threatening. Usually

doctors will use this time to get very intense and take advantage of a

new mother's vulnerability uttering lines about how your baby will

die, how it is required by law, etc and threaten to drop you from the

practice. There used to be an amazing thread at the vaccination forum

on mothering.com with all of the scaremongering tactics used by

doctors. I would have thought they were all exaggerating until it

happened to me as well. Just be very prepared to walk away without

doing anything so you can get your bearings - they can really be

forceful and intimidating. One tactic you can use is that you are

" delaying while you research " . You can just continue with your

research indefinitely....

Here is an article about finding a vax-friendly care provider:

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/18/finding-a-supportive-practitioner\

/

>

> I am taking my daughter to her 4 month " well visit " on friday. I am

> looking for ideas to concisely and diplomaticaly express to the doctor

> that I do not want my daughter vaccinated, maybe a good fact sheet to

> print out or some choice wording to express my concerns. I have looked

> at so much information that it is difficult to choose a couple of

> talking points to convey my thoughts, especially to a pediatrician who

> is prepared for these encounters. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

>

October 22, 2008

I also think it's traumatic for babies to experience these visits. It violates their bodies. They suddenly have a strange people prodding and poking them, undressing them, touching them, inspecting them without their consent, and it's obvious that they dislike these visits. It's traumatic and seems like it violates them.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Brandegee <lightspirals@...> wrote:

Well said everyone! And yes Ingrid, well-visits are basically a trap

for vaccination schedules. If your child is not sick and progressing,

then why do it? You can always do the weight/height charting at home

- and probably have more fun

Liz

>

> Is there any particular reason for taking your child for a " well visit " ,

> which is merely another ploy for pushing toxic vaccinations on insecure

> young mothers. Surely, you as her mom are the best judge of whether your

> child is developing normally, you don't need a " professional " to

weigh and

> measure your child (you can do that yourself!) or a reassuring pat

on the

> back confirming that you are a " good li'l mom " . You already KNOW

that! There

> is absolutely no need whatsoever to express anything

" diplomatically " to the

> good doc. YOU are the ultimate decision-maker when it comes to the

health

> and well-being of your child, you have the RIGHT to decide whether

or not to

> vaccinate your child. Period! If the " learned " friend doesn't like

it - too

> bad. Tell him to take a hike and find another doctor.

> Please folks, develop a backbone and exercise your rights and above all

> don't allow yourself to be intimidated!

>

> By the way, my UNVACCINATED grandchildren in California (6 years and 19

> months old) haven't been taken to any " well visit " since the day

they were

> born.

> Referring to your previous mail, Karla, regarding the school

physical - when

> my daughter enroled in school recently, she handed them the

> vaccination exemption and also crossed out the " physical

examination " clause

> and wrote in bold letters underneath " NOT WITHOUT MY PRIOR CONSENT " .

>

> Ingrid

>

> I am taking my daughter to her 4 month " well visit " on friday. I am

> looking for ideas to concisely and diplomaticaly express to the doctor

> that I do not want my daughter vaccinated, maybe a good fact sheet to

> print out or some choice wording to express my concerns. I have looked

> at so much information that it is difficult to choose a couple of

> talking points to convey my thoughts, especially to a pediatrician who

> is prepared for these encounters. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 22, 2008

Holy jeez, why not just NOT go to this well-baby visit? Really now, do you want to take the chances of her trying to call social services or something ridiculous like that? On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Cori <soapdiva@...> wrote: