Re: Anybody read the Rima and NSF concerns..?

[Guest guest]

Hullo Monika. I am not sticking up for anybody, but this subject came up some time ago, about these allegations, and both Ralph and Rima responded. I am sure they are very busy, but they say they monitor these posts closely. So I'm pretty certain, if they have anything more to add, they will do so. There can be a lot of bad press about anybody who is *visable* in our world. Or alot of good press. Another thing you will have to investigate and weigh, if your believe everything you read. There are a lot of good and worthy websites, about vaccinations/drugs and health freedoms, asking for donations. That is a thing you will have to decide, if you donate to any cause. As to people's character and background, we all have our own, if someone wanted to find out, or check, with intent to defame us, or applaud us. You can't do a 360 everytime you discover any new information, about people you have never met or even about the

vaccine story. Anything really. We all have to find our own truths. And our truths do not have to be anyone else's truths. And our truths are to do with our personal exposures to information and from life experiences and observations, to form opinions, values or truths from the mix. There are alot of people, in our group esp., who are seeking such information. And many with great info to offer. I respect all of them. All of you! Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

Hullo Monika. I am not sticking up for anybody, but this subject came up some time ago, about these allegations, and both Ralph and Rima responded. I am sure they are very busy, but they say they monitor these posts closely. So I'm pretty certain, if they have anything more to add, they will do so. There can be a lot of bad press about anybody who is *visable* in our world. Or alot of good press. Another thing you will have to investigate and weigh, if your believe everything you read. There are a lot of good and worthy websites, about vaccinations/drugs and health freedoms, asking for donations. That is a thing you will have to decide, if you donate to any cause. As to people's character and background, we all have our own, if someone wanted to find out, or check, with intent to defame us, or applaud us. You can't do a 360 everytime you discover any new information, about people you have never met or even about the

vaccine story. Anything really. We all have to find our own truths. And our truths do not have to be anyone else's truths. And our truths are to do with our personal exposures to information and from life experiences and observations, to form opinions, values or truths from the mix. There are alot of people, in our group esp., who are seeking such information. And many with great info to offer. I respect all of them. All of you! Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

can you link their response please?On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:31 PM, karla walsh <faerie1952@...> wrote:

Hullo Monika. I am not sticking up for anybody, but this subject came up some time ago, about these allegations, and both Ralph and Rima responded. I am sure they are very busy, but they say they monitor these posts closely. So I'm pretty certain, if they have anything more to add, they will do so. There can be a lot of bad press about anybody who is *visable* in our world. Or alot of good press. Another thing you will have to investigate and weigh, if your believe everything you read. There are a lot of good and worthy websites, about vaccinations/drugs and health freedoms, asking for donations. That is a thing you will have to decide, if you donate to any cause.

As to people's character and background, we all have our own, if someone wanted to find out, or check, with intent to defame us, or applaud us. You can't do a 360 everytime you discover any new information, about people you have never met or even about the

vaccine story. Anything really. We all have to find our own truths. And our truths do not have to be anyone else's truths. And our truths are to do with our personal exposures to information and from life experiences and observations, to form opinions, values or truths from the mix. There are alot of people, in our group esp., who are seeking such information. And many with great info to offer. I respect all of them. All of you!

Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

can you link their response please?On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:31 PM, karla walsh <faerie1952@...> wrote:

Hullo Monika. I am not sticking up for anybody, but this subject came up some time ago, about these allegations, and both Ralph and Rima responded. I am sure they are very busy, but they say they monitor these posts closely. So I'm pretty certain, if they have anything more to add, they will do so. There can be a lot of bad press about anybody who is *visable* in our world. Or alot of good press. Another thing you will have to investigate and weigh, if your believe everything you read. There are a lot of good and worthy websites, about vaccinations/drugs and health freedoms, asking for donations. That is a thing you will have to decide, if you donate to any cause.

As to people's character and background, we all have our own, if someone wanted to find out, or check, with intent to defame us, or applaud us. You can't do a 360 everytime you discover any new information, about people you have never met or even about the

vaccine story. Anything really. We all have to find our own truths. And our truths do not have to be anyone else's truths. And our truths are to do with our personal exposures to information and from life experiences and observations, to form opinions, values or truths from the mix. There are alot of people, in our group esp., who are seeking such information. And many with great info to offer. I respect all of them. All of you!

Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

You are absolutely right, Monika. I

don’t know what to believe about Rima and Stubblebine, but it doesn’t

look good. Everyone needs to follow these links for complete information.

In the 90s I worked for one of the

cooperative natural foods warehouses (buying clubs, for those who belonged) as

editor. Along with all the other warehouses (there were 9 spread across the

country at the time) coops encouraged their membership in a letter-writing and

calling campaign to prevent our supplements from being taken away. We buried them

with calls and letters, and we won. Now there is only one warehouse left,

Tucson ative. Who will give the call to begin writing now?

This first link (below) may show the way,

but still, who will organize us? I’m going to talk to Whole Foods to see

what they can do. I still have some ties, maybe. Perhaps we should all talk to

our health food store owners and get them to display this information. I haven’t

seen it around here. If I find out more, I’ll post the info here.

Here are the links that were so controversial.

I say let everyone see for themselves. This is difficult.

http://www.zeusinfoservice.com/Articles/NSF.htm

http://www.ymlp167.com/pubarchive_show_message_iframe.php?jham+493

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2007/04/08/natural_solutions_foundations_disinformation_should_be_ignored.htm

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htm

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of Monika Reign

Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:47

PM

no-forced-vaccination

Subject:

Anybody read the Rima and NSF concerns..?

Somebody just posted on

here mentioning Dr. Rima and her husband being

a fraud and trying to distract people truly and genuinely concerned

with natural health away from things they can actually do to help by

putting out misleading information.

Her husband has very heavy ties with military intelligence and they

are part of some submarine company.

Big Pharma has released foot soldiers of this sort to distract people

from things they can actually do.

So I was just wondering if anybody else read the links or did their

own research. It's really compelling... these other sites have been

around a lot longer, have rallied, petitioned, etc etc with noted and

documented success.

Anyway, I urge you to do some more information about this because

certain puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place that were missing before.

I'm also wondering why Dr. Rima never responded to this guy's post.

[Guest guest]

You are absolutely right, Monika. I

don’t know what to believe about Rima and Stubblebine, but it doesn’t

look good. Everyone needs to follow these links for complete information.

In the 90s I worked for one of the

cooperative natural foods warehouses (buying clubs, for those who belonged) as

editor. Along with all the other warehouses (there were 9 spread across the

country at the time) coops encouraged their membership in a letter-writing and

calling campaign to prevent our supplements from being taken away. We buried them

with calls and letters, and we won. Now there is only one warehouse left,

Tucson ative. Who will give the call to begin writing now?

This first link (below) may show the way,

but still, who will organize us? I’m going to talk to Whole Foods to see

what they can do. I still have some ties, maybe. Perhaps we should all talk to

our health food store owners and get them to display this information. I haven’t

seen it around here. If I find out more, I’ll post the info here.

Here are the links that were so controversial.

I say let everyone see for themselves. This is difficult.

http://www.zeusinfoservice.com/Articles/NSF.htm

http://www.ymlp167.com/pubarchive_show_message_iframe.php?jham+493

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2007/04/08/natural_solutions_foundations_disinformation_should_be_ignored.htm

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htm

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of Monika Reign

Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:47

PM

no-forced-vaccination

Subject:

Anybody read the Rima and NSF concerns..?

Somebody just posted on

here mentioning Dr. Rima and her husband being

a fraud and trying to distract people truly and genuinely concerned

with natural health away from things they can actually do to help by

putting out misleading information.

Her husband has very heavy ties with military intelligence and they

are part of some submarine company.

Big Pharma has released foot soldiers of this sort to distract people

from things they can actually do.

So I was just wondering if anybody else read the links or did their

own research. It's really compelling... these other sites have been

around a lot longer, have rallied, petitioned, etc etc with noted and

documented success.

Anyway, I urge you to do some more information about this because

certain puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place that were missing before.

I'm also wondering why Dr. Rima never responded to this guy's post.

[Guest guest]

Hullo OfTheBorg. Not to bring up old issues, but since I posted the information, and you asked, I will have to be responsible to try to answer. About mid May, a member first posted about this when they came upon certain information from another health freedom cite attack. Some particular info there was pretty bogas, esp what they said about who could attend CODEX meetings, and that Rima and the General did not attend them. On our main site is a picture of them attending at least one such Codex function, You can go to the main site page, and put buzz words into the Message search section, but with over 4,000 posts, with numerous same Subject title for things it no longer concerned, it is not a fun search. Easier if one has the actual post number/s. Post number # 2284 should be satisfactory. Or any other Subject line with that same subject title, that you may want to thumb thru. I apologize to our moderators, if this rehashes old issues or new controversy. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

Monika--My sense is that Dr. Rima has a great deal more important things to do than stoop to the level of the poster to whom you refer. I also believe parts of the post were slanderous and libelous; which may well have been the cause of the post having disappeared so quickly. I hope we won't get sidetracked by this effort to divide and conquer us. ~~Ruth/REU

Anybody read the Rima and NSF concerns..?

Somebody just posted on here mentioning Dr. Rima and her husband beinga fraud and trying to distract people truly and genuinely concernedwith natural health away from things they can actually do to help byputting out misleading information.Her husband has very heavy ties with military intelligence and theyare part of some submarine company.Big Pharma has released foot soldiers of this sort to distract peoplefrom things they can actually do.So I was just wondering if anybody else read the links or did theirown research. It's really compelling... these other sites have beenaround a lot longer, have rallied, petitioned, etc etc with noted anddocumented success. Anyway, I urge you to do some more information about this becausecertain puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place that were missing before.I'm also wondering why Dr. Rima never responded to this guy's post.

[Guest guest]

Monika--My sense is that Dr. Rima has a great deal more important things to do than stoop to the level of the poster to whom you refer. I also believe parts of the post were slanderous and libelous; which may well have been the cause of the post having disappeared so quickly. I hope we won't get sidetracked by this effort to divide and conquer us. ~~Ruth/REU

Anybody read the Rima and NSF concerns..?

Somebody just posted on here mentioning Dr. Rima and her husband beinga fraud and trying to distract people truly and genuinely concernedwith natural health away from things they can actually do to help byputting out misleading information.Her husband has very heavy ties with military intelligence and theyare part of some submarine company.Big Pharma has released foot soldiers of this sort to distract peoplefrom things they can actually do.So I was just wondering if anybody else read the links or did theirown research. It's really compelling... these other sites have beenaround a lot longer, have rallied, petitioned, etc etc with noted anddocumented success. Anyway, I urge you to do some more information about this becausecertain puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place that were missing before.I'm also wondering why Dr. Rima never responded to this guy's post.

[Guest guest]

Monika--My sense is that Dr. Rima has a great deal more important things to do than stoop to the level of the poster to whom you refer. I also believe parts of the post were slanderous and libelous; which may well have been the cause of the post having disappeared so quickly. I hope we won't get sidetracked by this effort to divide and conquer us. ~~Ruth/REU

Anybody read the Rima and NSF concerns..?

Somebody just posted on here mentioning Dr. Rima and her husband beinga fraud and trying to distract people truly and genuinely concernedwith natural health away from things they can actually do to help byputting out misleading information.Her husband has very heavy ties with military intelligence and theyare part of some submarine company.Big Pharma has released foot soldiers of this sort to distract peoplefrom things they can actually do.So I was just wondering if anybody else read the links or did theirown research. It's really compelling... these other sites have beenaround a lot longer, have rallied, petitioned, etc etc with noted anddocumented success. Anyway, I urge you to do some more information about this becausecertain puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place that were missing before.I'm also wondering why Dr. Rima never responded to this guy's post.

[Guest guest]

Monika--My sense is that Dr. Rima has a great deal more important things to do than stoop to the level of the poster to whom you refer. I also believe parts of the post were slanderous and libelous; which may well have been the cause of the post having disappeared so quickly. I hope we won't get sidetracked by this effort to divide and conquer us. ~~Ruth/REU

Anybody read the Rima and NSF concerns..?

Somebody just posted on here mentioning Dr. Rima and her husband beinga fraud and trying to distract people truly and genuinely concernedwith natural health away from things they can actually do to help byputting out misleading information.Her husband has very heavy ties with military intelligence and theyare part of some submarine company.Big Pharma has released foot soldiers of this sort to distract peoplefrom things they can actually do.So I was just wondering if anybody else read the links or did theirown research. It's really compelling... these other sites have beenaround a lot longer, have rallied, petitioned, etc etc with noted anddocumented success. Anyway, I urge you to do some more information about this becausecertain puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place that were missing before.I'm also wondering why Dr. Rima never responded to this guy's post.

[Guest guest]

I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr. Rima's videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate, knowledgeable, and on our side.BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not add up. They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as they present them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or getting a big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another explanation for this. IF you've read at all about government mind control experiments, you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and currently DO-- control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe

away memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot of that show was a very light version of what is happening. Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU (North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission!

[Guest guest]

I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr. Rima's videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate, knowledgeable, and on our side.BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not add up. They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as they present them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or getting a big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another explanation for this. IF you've read at all about government mind control experiments, you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and currently DO-- control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe

away memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot of that show was a very light version of what is happening. Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU (North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission!

[Guest guest]

Hi Liora,

In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am sitting in the middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are thousands of other like-minded people across the globe

Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one associates with as "one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep". Secondly, always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly gain from it. For example, you state "But when you look at some of the other evidence..." and "the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real facts". I personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence unless such "evidence" is substantiated by documentary proof thereof. Anybody can present alleged facts and my response is always "show me evidence". For instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and vilifying others is casting doubt on the other person's professional integrity and credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. "she is ONLY a psychologist, she does NOT have a medical degree". Instead of swallowing that nonsense hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in it first?

For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and impeccable credentials.

http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem from the Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a "quack" and "vitamin salesman" in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin therapy for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is not a "real" doctor.

And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket No. 2006D- 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be construed as FDA "saber rattling" as Hammell does has lost all credibility in any event.

Ingrid

I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr. Rima's videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate, knowledgeable, and on our side.BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not add up. They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as they present them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or getting a big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another explanation for this. IF you've read at all about government mind control experiments, you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and currently DO-- control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe away memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot of that show was a very light version of what is happening. Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU (North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission! __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Liora,

In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am sitting in the middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are thousands of other like-minded people across the globe

Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one associates with as "one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep". Secondly, always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly gain from it. For example, you state "But when you look at some of the other evidence..." and "the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real facts". I personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence unless such "evidence" is substantiated by documentary proof thereof. Anybody can present alleged facts and my response is always "show me evidence". For instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and vilifying others is casting doubt on the other person's professional integrity and credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. "she is ONLY a psychologist, she does NOT have a medical degree". Instead of swallowing that nonsense hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in it first?

For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and impeccable credentials.

http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem from the Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a "quack" and "vitamin salesman" in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin therapy for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is not a "real" doctor.

And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket No. 2006D- 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be construed as FDA "saber rattling" as Hammell does has lost all credibility in any event.

Ingrid

I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr. Rima's videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate, knowledgeable, and on our side.BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not add up. They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as they present them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or getting a big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another explanation for this. IF you've read at all about government mind control experiments, you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and currently DO-- control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe away memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot of that show was a very light version of what is happening. Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU (North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission! __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

[Guest guest]

All I can say is HOLY CRUD! WHAT has happened to our forum? We've

been hijacked! Until recently, this was an invaluable source of

information on the topics of vaccine education and awareness. Even

though the information sometimes presented here was heavy and not fun,

this forum always had a positive feel about it. It's now become such

a negative " place to be " that I almost cringe when I see the

" no-forced-vaccination " tag on an email. I'm beginning to wonder if I

should open it, and usually continue on to other emails. The last

couple of weeks has been nothing but a mud slinging fest spurred by

hate. There seems to be less and less like-mindedness here... Is

there any way to get some control back so that we can get back to the

business at hand (that being vaccine education/reform)? Dr. Rima or

anyone? Does anyone have the authority to moderate this forum that

can and is willing to get it back in control?

Before you slam me, I'm not saying we can't discuss God and his role

in all this, because I do think that faith is a HUGE aspect of this

fight. Without our faith, we have not much else... but good grief!

All the rest of the mud slinging? PLEASE!

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1@...> wrote:

> Hi Liora,

>

> In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am sitting in the

> middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some

> camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are thousands of

> other like-minded people across the globe

>

> Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one associates with as

> " one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep " . Secondly,

> always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly gain from it.

> For example, you state " But when you look at some of the other evidence... "

> and " the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real facts " . I

> personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence unless

> such " evidence " is substantiated by documentary proof thereof. Anybody can

> present alleged facts and my response is always " show me evidence " . For

> instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and vilifying

> others is casting doubt on the other person's professional integrity and

> credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. " she is ONLY a psychologist,

> she does NOT have a medical degree " . Instead of swallowing that nonsense

> hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in it first?

> For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and

> impeccable credentials.

> http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

>

> In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem from the

> Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a " quack " and

> " vitamin salesman " in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin therapy

> for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is not a

> " real " doctor.

>

> And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket No. 2006D-

> 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be

> construed as FDA " saber rattling " as Hammell does has lost all credibility

> in any event.

>

> Ingrid

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr. Rima's

> videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate,

> knowledgeable, and on our side.

>

> BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not add up.

> They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of

> scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as they present

> them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?

>

> I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or getting a

> big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another explanation for

> this. IF you've read at all about government mind control experiments,

> you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and currently DO--

> control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe away

> memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot of that

> show was a very light version of what is happening.

>

> Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> beijing_organic_consumers

>

> NO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!

> NO NAU (North American Union)

> NO Trilateral Commission!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature

> database 3267 (20080714) __________

>

> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>

> http://www.eset.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

All I can say is HOLY CRUD! WHAT has happened to our forum? We've

been hijacked! Until recently, this was an invaluable source of

information on the topics of vaccine education and awareness. Even

though the information sometimes presented here was heavy and not fun,

this forum always had a positive feel about it. It's now become such

a negative " place to be " that I almost cringe when I see the

" no-forced-vaccination " tag on an email. I'm beginning to wonder if I

should open it, and usually continue on to other emails. The last

couple of weeks has been nothing but a mud slinging fest spurred by

hate. There seems to be less and less like-mindedness here... Is

there any way to get some control back so that we can get back to the

business at hand (that being vaccine education/reform)? Dr. Rima or

anyone? Does anyone have the authority to moderate this forum that

can and is willing to get it back in control?

Before you slam me, I'm not saying we can't discuss God and his role

in all this, because I do think that faith is a HUGE aspect of this

fight. Without our faith, we have not much else... but good grief!

All the rest of the mud slinging? PLEASE!

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1@...> wrote:

> Hi Liora,

>

> In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am sitting in the

> middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some

> camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are thousands of

> other like-minded people across the globe

>

> Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one associates with as

> " one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep " . Secondly,

> always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly gain from it.

> For example, you state " But when you look at some of the other evidence... "

> and " the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real facts " . I

> personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence unless

> such " evidence " is substantiated by documentary proof thereof. Anybody can

> present alleged facts and my response is always " show me evidence " . For

> instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and vilifying

> others is casting doubt on the other person's professional integrity and

> credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. " she is ONLY a psychologist,

> she does NOT have a medical degree " . Instead of swallowing that nonsense

> hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in it first?

> For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and

> impeccable credentials.

> http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

>

> In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem from the

> Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a " quack " and

> " vitamin salesman " in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin therapy

> for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is not a

> " real " doctor.

>

> And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket No. 2006D-

> 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be

> construed as FDA " saber rattling " as Hammell does has lost all credibility

> in any event.

>

> Ingrid

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr. Rima's

> videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate,

> knowledgeable, and on our side.

>

> BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not add up.

> They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of

> scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as they present

> them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?

>

> I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or getting a

> big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another explanation for

> this. IF you've read at all about government mind control experiments,

> you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and currently DO--

> control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe away

> memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot of that

> show was a very light version of what is happening.

>

> Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> beijing_organic_consumers

>

> NO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!

> NO NAU (North American Union)

> NO Trilateral Commission!

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> database 3267 (20080714) __________

>

> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

hi, IngridYou are very right about at least one thing...the "only a psychologist" bit IS totally false.I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is, with an MD beside her name) for a very long time. I don't know what to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions floating around. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU

(North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission!

[Guest guest]

hi, IngridYou are very right about at least one thing...the "only a psychologist" bit IS totally false.I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is, with an MD beside her name) for a very long time. I don't know what to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions floating around. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU

(North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission!

[Guest guest]

The negativity on the forum strikes me as evidence of several things:

1. We are strikingly effective so it behooves the other side to sow

dissent. Do not let them - this is a favorite and time-tested tactic

because usually people allow it to succeed. By now we should know

that the other side will stoop to anything, and scruple at nothing, to

get what they want: sheepish acquiescence to what we are told to do

without questioning whether it is good for us, good for them or, in

rare cases, good for both parties to the deal. If you are battling

with your own allies, such questions get lost in the heat of rhetoric.

When someone is negative, I suggest that we do not respond except to

write to me at my private email, releyes@..., and to Ralph

Fucetola at his, ralph.fucetola@... and alert us to the problem.

We will deal with it, I promise you. This forum is too positive and

too productive to allow either poor judgment or agents provocateurs to

damage it.

2. Yes, I am an MD and a fully qualified psychiatrist. You can check

out my CV on our home page under About Us and find my license

information on line, too. I was graduated in 1970 from the Albert

Einstein College of Medicine. I did residency training for 3 years

and the a fellowship for 2 more. As inaccurate as that preposterous

statement about me is (that I am ONLY a psychologist), each of the

allegations and slurs slung at us by the author of that piece is

similarly inaccurate.

We get that all the time. They are a disinformation tactic: we are

effective, efficient and have created the largest and most meaningful

health freedom organization in the world. Why wouldn't people who do

not want Health Freedom to be a reality in our lives fling accusations

about us around? Ad Hominim arguments are a favorite technique of the

order and its agents.

Jealousy, Ego and Turf are powerful forces, too.

We do not dignify these attacks by responding to them. We just keep

working, and working and working.

As Ralph said, you can never prove a negative. That is why these

allegations are negative.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

-- In no-forced-vaccination , " Roberg "

<trinnea@...> wrote:

>

> All I can say is HOLY CRUD! WHAT has happened to our forum? We've

> been hijacked! Until recently, this was an invaluable source of

> information on the topics of vaccine education and awareness. Even

> though the information sometimes presented here was heavy and not fun,

> this forum always had a positive feel about it. It's now become such

> a negative " place to be " that I almost cringe when I see the

> " no-forced-vaccination " tag on an email. I'm beginning to wonder if I

> should open it, and usually continue on to other emails. The last

> couple of weeks has been nothing but a mud slinging fest spurred by

> hate. There seems to be less and less like-mindedness here... Is

> there any way to get some control back so that we can get back to the

> business at hand (that being vaccine education/reform)? Dr. Rima or

> anyone? Does anyone have the authority to moderate this forum that

> can and is willing to get it back in control?

>

> Before you slam me, I'm not saying we can't discuss God and his role

> in all this, because I do think that faith is a HUGE aspect of this

> fight. Without our faith, we have not much else... but good grief!

> All the rest of the mud slinging? PLEASE!

>

>

>

>

>

> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1@...> wrote:

> > Hi Liora,

> >

> > In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am

sitting in the

> > middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some

> > camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are

thousands of

> > other like-minded people across the globe

> >

> > Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one

associates with as

> > " one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep " .

Secondly,

> > always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly

gain from it.

> > For example, you state " But when you look at some of the other

evidence... "

> > and " the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real

facts " . I

> > personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence

unless

> > such " evidence " is substantiated by documentary proof thereof.

Anybody can

> > present alleged facts and my response is always " show me

evidence " . For

> > instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and

vilifying

> > others is casting doubt on the other person's professional

integrity and

> > credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. " she is ONLY a

psychologist,

> > she does NOT have a medical degree " . Instead of swallowing that

nonsense

> > hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in

it first?

> > For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and

> > impeccable credentials.

> > http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

> >

> > In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem

from the

> > Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a " quack " and

> > " vitamin salesman " in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin

therapy

> > for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is

not a

> > " real " doctor.

> >

> > And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket

No. 2006D-

> > 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be

> > construed as FDA " saber rattling " as Hammell does has lost all

credibility

> > in any event.

> >

> > Ingrid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr.

Rima's

> > videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate,

> > knowledgeable, and on our side.

> >

> > BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.

> > They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of

> > scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as

they present

> > them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?

> >

> > I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a

> > big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another

explanation for

> > this. IF you've read at all about government mind control

experiments,

> > you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and

currently DO--

> > control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe

away

> > memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot

of that

> > show was a very light version of what is happening.

> >

> > Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

> >

> > Liora Pearlman

> > Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> > beijing_organic_consumers

> >

> > NO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!

> > NO NAU (North American Union)

> > NO Trilateral Commission!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

signature

> > database 3267 (20080714) __________

> >

> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

> >

> > http://www.eset.com

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The negativity on the forum strikes me as evidence of several things:

1. We are strikingly effective so it behooves the other side to sow

dissent. Do not let them - this is a favorite and time-tested tactic

because usually people allow it to succeed. By now we should know

that the other side will stoop to anything, and scruple at nothing, to

get what they want: sheepish acquiescence to what we are told to do

without questioning whether it is good for us, good for them or, in

rare cases, good for both parties to the deal. If you are battling

with your own allies, such questions get lost in the heat of rhetoric.

When someone is negative, I suggest that we do not respond except to

write to me at my private email, releyes@..., and to Ralph

Fucetola at his, ralph.fucetola@... and alert us to the problem.

We will deal with it, I promise you. This forum is too positive and

too productive to allow either poor judgment or agents provocateurs to

damage it.

2. Yes, I am an MD and a fully qualified psychiatrist. You can check

out my CV on our home page under About Us and find my license

information on line, too. I was graduated in 1970 from the Albert

Einstein College of Medicine. I did residency training for 3 years

and the a fellowship for 2 more. As inaccurate as that preposterous

statement about me is (that I am ONLY a psychologist), each of the

allegations and slurs slung at us by the author of that piece is

similarly inaccurate.

We get that all the time. They are a disinformation tactic: we are

effective, efficient and have created the largest and most meaningful

health freedom organization in the world. Why wouldn't people who do

not want Health Freedom to be a reality in our lives fling accusations

about us around? Ad Hominim arguments are a favorite technique of the

order and its agents.

Jealousy, Ego and Turf are powerful forces, too.

We do not dignify these attacks by responding to them. We just keep

working, and working and working.

As Ralph said, you can never prove a negative. That is why these

allegations are negative.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

-- In no-forced-vaccination , " Roberg "

<trinnea@...> wrote:

>

> All I can say is HOLY CRUD! WHAT has happened to our forum? We've

> been hijacked! Until recently, this was an invaluable source of

> information on the topics of vaccine education and awareness. Even

> though the information sometimes presented here was heavy and not fun,

> this forum always had a positive feel about it. It's now become such

> a negative " place to be " that I almost cringe when I see the

> " no-forced-vaccination " tag on an email. I'm beginning to wonder if I

> should open it, and usually continue on to other emails. The last

> couple of weeks has been nothing but a mud slinging fest spurred by

> hate. There seems to be less and less like-mindedness here... Is

> there any way to get some control back so that we can get back to the

> business at hand (that being vaccine education/reform)? Dr. Rima or

> anyone? Does anyone have the authority to moderate this forum that

> can and is willing to get it back in control?

>

> Before you slam me, I'm not saying we can't discuss God and his role

> in all this, because I do think that faith is a HUGE aspect of this

> fight. Without our faith, we have not much else... but good grief!

> All the rest of the mud slinging? PLEASE!

>

>

>

>

>

> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1@...> wrote:

> > Hi Liora,

> >

> > In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am

sitting in the

> > middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some

> > camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are

thousands of

> > other like-minded people across the globe

> >

> > Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one

associates with as

> > " one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep " .

Secondly,

> > always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly

gain from it.

> > For example, you state " But when you look at some of the other

evidence... "

> > and " the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real

facts " . I

> > personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence

unless

> > such " evidence " is substantiated by documentary proof thereof.

Anybody can

> > present alleged facts and my response is always " show me

evidence " . For

> > instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and

vilifying

> > others is casting doubt on the other person's professional

integrity and

> > credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. " she is ONLY a

psychologist,

> > she does NOT have a medical degree " . Instead of swallowing that

nonsense

> > hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in

it first?

> > For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and

> > impeccable credentials.

> > http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

> >

> > In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem

from the

> > Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a " quack " and

> > " vitamin salesman " in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin

therapy

> > for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is

not a

> > " real " doctor.

> >

> > And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket

No. 2006D-

> > 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be

> > construed as FDA " saber rattling " as Hammell does has lost all

credibility

> > in any event.

> >

> > Ingrid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr.

Rima's

> > videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate,

> > knowledgeable, and on our side.

> >

> > BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.

> > They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of

> > scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as

they present

> > them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?

> >

> > I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a

> > big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another

explanation for

> > this. IF you've read at all about government mind control

experiments,

> > you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and

currently DO--

> > control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe

away

> > memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot

of that

> > show was a very light version of what is happening.

> >

> > Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

> >

> > Liora Pearlman

> > Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> > beijing_organic_consumers

> >

> > NO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!

> > NO NAU (North American Union)

> > NO Trilateral Commission!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

signature

> > database 3267 (20080714) __________

> >

> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

> >

> > http://www.eset.com

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Liora,

I don't know how the education systems work in other countries. I was born and educated in Europe (Germany) and have been living in South Africa since 1971 where my two kids were born and educated. Both in Europe and South Africa, the prerequisite for practising psychiatry is a PhD in the medical field. My daughter, for instance, would strongly object if a nitwit would come along claiming that she has "only" a BSc degree in clinical psychology which she obtained simultaneously with her BSc degree in genetics and then chose to pursue her career path in genetics and obtained her BSc Honours in molecular genetics and BSc Master degree in genetics - long, long years of intensive studies.

The attempted character assassinations of Dr. Rima have been floating around for quite a while and the fact that one of the "juicy" titbits proves to be totally false as you admitted yourself should likewise disqualify the other nonsensical utterances . And as already pointed out in my previous mail - always look at the instigator(s) behind this well-orchestrated smear campaign and what these people could possibly gain from it. To draw a comparison - I always keep telling people not to be so naive to believe that one morning Monsanto's CEO walk up with the pressing urge to feed the poor and hungry in Africa.

Compared to Rima and Ralph, I am only a small player, but boy have I been attacked and ridiculed, e.g. one moron accused me of dabbling in snake oil I always take it as a huge compliment since it proves that the pharma and biotech mafiosi must feel extremely threatened by my "truth and information" campaign - and quite rightly so because in my own small community people started to listen with the result that they stopped vaccinating and eat organic PLUS they in turn are now spreading all the information I printed out for them in their various church and other groups. Such a lovely domino effect!

Rima is by no means the only one under attack, the same happened to Mike .

http://lib.store..net/lib/realityzone/UFNNewsTargetattack.htm

Ingrid

hi, IngridYou are very right about at least one thing...the "only a psychologist" bit IS totally false.I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is, with an MD beside her name) for a very long time. I don't know what to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions floating around. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU (North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission! __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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[Guest guest]

Hi Liora,

I don't know how the education systems work in other countries. I was born and educated in Europe (Germany) and have been living in South Africa since 1971 where my two kids were born and educated. Both in Europe and South Africa, the prerequisite for practising psychiatry is a PhD in the medical field. My daughter, for instance, would strongly object if a nitwit would come along claiming that she has "only" a BSc degree in clinical psychology which she obtained simultaneously with her BSc degree in genetics and then chose to pursue her career path in genetics and obtained her BSc Honours in molecular genetics and BSc Master degree in genetics - long, long years of intensive studies.

The attempted character assassinations of Dr. Rima have been floating around for quite a while and the fact that one of the "juicy" titbits proves to be totally false as you admitted yourself should likewise disqualify the other nonsensical utterances . And as already pointed out in my previous mail - always look at the instigator(s) behind this well-orchestrated smear campaign and what these people could possibly gain from it. To draw a comparison - I always keep telling people not to be so naive to believe that one morning Monsanto's CEO walk up with the pressing urge to feed the poor and hungry in Africa.

Compared to Rima and Ralph, I am only a small player, but boy have I been attacked and ridiculed, e.g. one moron accused me of dabbling in snake oil I always take it as a huge compliment since it proves that the pharma and biotech mafiosi must feel extremely threatened by my "truth and information" campaign - and quite rightly so because in my own small community people started to listen with the result that they stopped vaccinating and eat organic PLUS they in turn are now spreading all the information I printed out for them in their various church and other groups. Such a lovely domino effect!

Rima is by no means the only one under attack, the same happened to Mike .

http://lib.store..net/lib/realityzone/UFNNewsTargetattack.htm

Ingrid

hi, IngridYou are very right about at least one thing...the "only a psychologist" bit IS totally false.I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is, with an MD beside her name) for a very long time. I don't know what to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions floating around. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU (North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission! __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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[Guest guest]

In the same context, it might interest you that two of the most eminent scientists whose research papers I have studied intensively, Dr. Mae Wan Ho and Prof. Joe Cummins, have been accused of "being communists" and "having blood on their hands" by the biotech mafiosi in the U.S. So Rima, Ralph and all of us fighting the genocide exercises of the pharma and biotech cartel are in good company

Ingrid

hi, IngridYou are very right about at least one thing...the "only a psychologist" bit IS totally false.I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is, with an MD beside her name) for a very long time. I don't know what to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions floating around. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU (North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission! __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com

[Guest guest]

In the same context, it might interest you that two of the most eminent scientists whose research papers I have studied intensively, Dr. Mae Wan Ho and Prof. Joe Cummins, have been accused of "being communists" and "having blood on their hands" by the biotech mafiosi in the U.S. So Rima, Ralph and all of us fighting the genocide exercises of the pharma and biotech cartel are in good company

Ingrid

hi, IngridYou are very right about at least one thing...the "only a psychologist" bit IS totally false.I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is, with an MD beside her name) for a very long time. I don't know what to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions floating around. Liora Pearlman Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA) beijing_organic_consumersNO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself! NO NAU (North American Union)NO Trilateral Commission! __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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