Re: Anybody read the Rima and NSF concerns..?

[Guest guest]

Dear Liora,

I have just re-read all of your posts to this Forum and appreciate

your input and your helpful information - except for one thing: you

speculate, in writing and on a public Forum, about General Stubblebine

and me as being mind controlled and agents of disinformation. Do you

have any evidence, even a shred, that this is so? If not, do these

wild - and distracting, destructive - allegations either have any

meaning or further the cause of health freedom by even so much as an

iota? If you have any back up for your statements, please do let us

all know.

I would strongly suggest that you write to the person or source from

which this came and ask for any evidence or data to back it up before

you go slinging accusations like this around.

While you are writing that letter, I would also strongly suggest that

you write to the person who alleges that Natural Solutions Foundation

" bust on the scene " in 2005, etc.

I have a long history of acting as a social change agent, dating back

to when I was 14 years old, as a matter of fact, a full 50 years. The

person who usually articulates this inaccurate statement, and from

whom others take it, is a self-identified paranoid schizophrenic, rich

in fantasy and distortion, poor in facts and data, who attacks us on a

regular basis. I urge you, and anyone else interested in the matter,

to write to him directly in order to ask for the facts, data, reality,

not assertion, distortion and emotional vituperation, upon which any

of his allegations are based.

You will find, as everyone else who has done so has found, that there

is simply no basis - not a shred - to these attacks.

Why would he do that, other than distorted reality testing? Who

knows? Ad hominim attacks split movements and are very useful to

those who do not want the movement to be either powerful or focused.

Aspersions and allegations are typical tools of the powerful against

the " upstart " to distract and derail movements.

I do not know if this is the problem or just a deep inner lack of

peace and reality testing projected outward on a convenient target.

But before you spread information like this, actionable as it is,

please make sure that you have truth behind it, as you will find you

do not have in this situation.

I look forward to more of your informative, interesting and accurate

posts on this Forum, and hope that there will not be more unfounded

allegations and attacks.

In fact, whether the attacks strike at me or at someone else, they are

not part of the acceptable posting on this Forum. Please limit your

posts to helpful, not destructive, information.

Again, thank you those posts which are helpful and accurate.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

>

> I did not want to believe any of it, at first.� I've watched Dr.

Rima's videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems

passionate, knowledgeable,� and on our side.

>

> BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.� They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made

enemies out of scores of more experienced Health Freedom people.� The

facts as they present them diverge GREATLY from the real facts.� How

is this?

>

> I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a big fat check from the Dark Side.� There could be another

explanation for this.� IF you've read at all about government mind

control experiments, you'll know just how deeply and totally they can,

have, and currently DO-- control people.� They create memories, create

new identities, wipe away memories.� A'la Manchurian Candidate and the

TV show Alias.� A lot of that show was a very light version of what is

happening.�

>

> Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> beijing_organic_consumers

>

> NO CODEX!� Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!�

> NO NAU (North American Union)

> NO Trilateral Commission!

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Liora,

I have just re-read all of your posts to this Forum and appreciate

your input and your helpful information - except for one thing: you

speculate, in writing and on a public Forum, about General Stubblebine

and me as being mind controlled and agents of disinformation. Do you

have any evidence, even a shred, that this is so? If not, do these

wild - and distracting, destructive - allegations either have any

meaning or further the cause of health freedom by even so much as an

iota? If you have any back up for your statements, please do let us

all know.

I would strongly suggest that you write to the person or source from

which this came and ask for any evidence or data to back it up before

you go slinging accusations like this around.

While you are writing that letter, I would also strongly suggest that

you write to the person who alleges that Natural Solutions Foundation

" bust on the scene " in 2005, etc.

I have a long history of acting as a social change agent, dating back

to when I was 14 years old, as a matter of fact, a full 50 years. The

person who usually articulates this inaccurate statement, and from

whom others take it, is a self-identified paranoid schizophrenic, rich

in fantasy and distortion, poor in facts and data, who attacks us on a

regular basis. I urge you, and anyone else interested in the matter,

to write to him directly in order to ask for the facts, data, reality,

not assertion, distortion and emotional vituperation, upon which any

of his allegations are based.

You will find, as everyone else who has done so has found, that there

is simply no basis - not a shred - to these attacks.

Why would he do that, other than distorted reality testing? Who

knows? Ad hominim attacks split movements and are very useful to

those who do not want the movement to be either powerful or focused.

Aspersions and allegations are typical tools of the powerful against

the " upstart " to distract and derail movements.

I do not know if this is the problem or just a deep inner lack of

peace and reality testing projected outward on a convenient target.

But before you spread information like this, actionable as it is,

please make sure that you have truth behind it, as you will find you

do not have in this situation.

I look forward to more of your informative, interesting and accurate

posts on this Forum, and hope that there will not be more unfounded

allegations and attacks.

In fact, whether the attacks strike at me or at someone else, they are

not part of the acceptable posting on this Forum. Please limit your

posts to helpful, not destructive, information.

Again, thank you those posts which are helpful and accurate.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

>

> I did not want to believe any of it, at first.� I've watched Dr.

Rima's videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems

passionate, knowledgeable,� and on our side.

>

> BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.� They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made

enemies out of scores of more experienced Health Freedom people.� The

facts as they present them diverge GREATLY from the real facts.� How

is this?

>

> I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a big fat check from the Dark Side.� There could be another

explanation for this.� IF you've read at all about government mind

control experiments, you'll know just how deeply and totally they can,

have, and currently DO-- control people.� They create memories, create

new identities, wipe away memories.� A'la Manchurian Candidate and the

TV show Alias.� A lot of that show was a very light version of what is

happening.�

>

> Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> beijing_organic_consumers

>

> NO CODEX!� Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!�

> NO NAU (North American Union)

> NO Trilateral Commission!

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Liora,

I have just re-read all of your posts to this Forum and appreciate

your input and your helpful information - except for one thing: you

speculate, in writing and on a public Forum, about General Stubblebine

and me as being mind controlled and agents of disinformation. Do you

have any evidence, even a shred, that this is so? If not, do these

wild - and distracting, destructive - allegations either have any

meaning or further the cause of health freedom by even so much as an

iota? If you have any back up for your statements, please do let us

all know.

I would strongly suggest that you write to the person or source from

which this came and ask for any evidence or data to back it up before

you go slinging accusations like this around.

While you are writing that letter, I would also strongly suggest that

you write to the person who alleges that Natural Solutions Foundation

" bust on the scene " in 2005, etc.

I have a long history of acting as a social change agent, dating back

to when I was 14 years old, as a matter of fact, a full 50 years. The

person who usually articulates this inaccurate statement, and from

whom others take it, is a self-identified paranoid schizophrenic, rich

in fantasy and distortion, poor in facts and data, who attacks us on a

regular basis. I urge you, and anyone else interested in the matter,

to write to him directly in order to ask for the facts, data, reality,

not assertion, distortion and emotional vituperation, upon which any

of his allegations are based.

You will find, as everyone else who has done so has found, that there

is simply no basis - not a shred - to these attacks.

Why would he do that, other than distorted reality testing? Who

knows? Ad hominim attacks split movements and are very useful to

those who do not want the movement to be either powerful or focused.

Aspersions and allegations are typical tools of the powerful against

the " upstart " to distract and derail movements.

I do not know if this is the problem or just a deep inner lack of

peace and reality testing projected outward on a convenient target.

But before you spread information like this, actionable as it is,

please make sure that you have truth behind it, as you will find you

do not have in this situation.

I look forward to more of your informative, interesting and accurate

posts on this Forum, and hope that there will not be more unfounded

allegations and attacks.

In fact, whether the attacks strike at me or at someone else, they are

not part of the acceptable posting on this Forum. Please limit your

posts to helpful, not destructive, information.

Again, thank you those posts which are helpful and accurate.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

>

> I did not want to believe any of it, at first.� I've watched Dr.

Rima's videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems

passionate, knowledgeable,� and on our side.

>

> BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.� They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made

enemies out of scores of more experienced Health Freedom people.� The

facts as they present them diverge GREATLY from the real facts.� How

is this?

>

> I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a big fat check from the Dark Side.� There could be another

explanation for this.� IF you've read at all about government mind

control experiments, you'll know just how deeply and totally they can,

have, and currently DO-- control people.� They create memories, create

new identities, wipe away memories.� A'la Manchurian Candidate and the

TV show Alias.� A lot of that show was a very light version of what is

happening.�

>

> Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> beijing_organic_consumers

>

> NO CODEX!� Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!�

> NO NAU (North American Union)

> NO Trilateral Commission!

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Liora,

I have just re-read all of your posts to this Forum and appreciate

your input and your helpful information - except for one thing: you

speculate, in writing and on a public Forum, about General Stubblebine

and me as being mind controlled and agents of disinformation. Do you

have any evidence, even a shred, that this is so? If not, do these

wild - and distracting, destructive - allegations either have any

meaning or further the cause of health freedom by even so much as an

iota? If you have any back up for your statements, please do let us

all know.

I would strongly suggest that you write to the person or source from

which this came and ask for any evidence or data to back it up before

you go slinging accusations like this around.

While you are writing that letter, I would also strongly suggest that

you write to the person who alleges that Natural Solutions Foundation

" bust on the scene " in 2005, etc.

I have a long history of acting as a social change agent, dating back

to when I was 14 years old, as a matter of fact, a full 50 years. The

person who usually articulates this inaccurate statement, and from

whom others take it, is a self-identified paranoid schizophrenic, rich

in fantasy and distortion, poor in facts and data, who attacks us on a

regular basis. I urge you, and anyone else interested in the matter,

to write to him directly in order to ask for the facts, data, reality,

not assertion, distortion and emotional vituperation, upon which any

of his allegations are based.

You will find, as everyone else who has done so has found, that there

is simply no basis - not a shred - to these attacks.

Why would he do that, other than distorted reality testing? Who

knows? Ad hominim attacks split movements and are very useful to

those who do not want the movement to be either powerful or focused.

Aspersions and allegations are typical tools of the powerful against

the " upstart " to distract and derail movements.

I do not know if this is the problem or just a deep inner lack of

peace and reality testing projected outward on a convenient target.

But before you spread information like this, actionable as it is,

please make sure that you have truth behind it, as you will find you

do not have in this situation.

I look forward to more of your informative, interesting and accurate

posts on this Forum, and hope that there will not be more unfounded

allegations and attacks.

In fact, whether the attacks strike at me or at someone else, they are

not part of the acceptable posting on this Forum. Please limit your

posts to helpful, not destructive, information.

Again, thank you those posts which are helpful and accurate.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

>

> I did not want to believe any of it, at first.� I've watched Dr.

Rima's videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems

passionate, knowledgeable,� and on our side.

>

> BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.� They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made

enemies out of scores of more experienced Health Freedom people.� The

facts as they present them diverge GREATLY from the real facts.� How

is this?

>

> I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a big fat check from the Dark Side.� There could be another

explanation for this.� IF you've read at all about government mind

control experiments, you'll know just how deeply and totally they can,

have, and currently DO-- control people.� They create memories, create

new identities, wipe away memories.� A'la Manchurian Candidate and the

TV show Alias.� A lot of that show was a very light version of what is

happening.�

>

> Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

>

> Liora Pearlman

> Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> beijing_organic_consumers

>

> NO CODEX!� Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!�

> NO NAU (North American Union)

> NO Trilateral Commission!

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I have written to those posting negative, vituperative and

inappropriate information and asked them not to do so again, in one

case, and informed someone who was posting here, but was not a member

of the Forum that such lurking was not permitted.

I hope that will help resotre the tone of positive, helpful

informaiton and support that has so far characterized this

extraordinary FOrum.

Thanks for identifying the problem. If there are any more problems,

please let me know.

Thanks.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

> > Hi Liora,

> >

> > In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am

sitting in the

> > middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some

> > camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are

thousands of

> > other like-minded people across the globe

> >

> > Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one

associates with as

> > " one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep " .

Secondly,

> > always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly

gain from it.

> > For example, you state " But when you look at some of the other

evidence... "

> > and " the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real

facts " . I

> > personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence

unless

> > such " evidence " is substantiated by documentary proof thereof.

Anybody can

> > present alleged facts and my response is always " show me

evidence " . For

> > instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and

vilifying

> > others is casting doubt on the other person's professional

integrity and

> > credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. " she is ONLY a

psychologist,

> > she does NOT have a medical degree " . Instead of swallowing that

nonsense

> > hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in

it first?

> > For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and

> > impeccable credentials.

> > http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

> >

> > In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem

from the

> > Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a " quack " and

> > " vitamin salesman " in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin

therapy

> > for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is

not a

> > " real " doctor.

> >

> > And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket

No. 2006D-

> > 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be

> > construed as FDA " saber rattling " as Hammell does has lost all

credibility

> > in any event.

> >

> > Ingrid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr.

Rima's

> > videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate,

> > knowledgeable, and on our side.

> >

> > BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.

> > They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of

> > scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as

they present

> > them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?

> >

> > I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a

> > big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another

explanation for

> > this. IF you've read at all about government mind control

experiments,

> > you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and

currently DO--

> > control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe

away

> > memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot

of that

> > show was a very light version of what is happening.

> >

> > Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

> >

> > Liora Pearlman

> > Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> > beijing_organic_consumers

> >

> > NO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!

> > NO NAU (North American Union)

> > NO Trilateral Commission!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

signature

> > database 3267 (20080714) __________

> >

> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

> >

> > http://www.eset.com

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I have written to those posting negative, vituperative and

inappropriate information and asked them not to do so again, in one

case, and informed someone who was posting here, but was not a member

of the Forum that such lurking was not permitted.

I hope that will help resotre the tone of positive, helpful

informaiton and support that has so far characterized this

extraordinary FOrum.

Thanks for identifying the problem. If there are any more problems,

please let me know.

Thanks.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

> > Hi Liora,

> >

> > In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am

sitting in the

> > middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some

> > camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are

thousands of

> > other like-minded people across the globe

> >

> > Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one

associates with as

> > " one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep " .

Secondly,

> > always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly

gain from it.

> > For example, you state " But when you look at some of the other

evidence... "

> > and " the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real

facts " . I

> > personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence

unless

> > such " evidence " is substantiated by documentary proof thereof.

Anybody can

> > present alleged facts and my response is always " show me

evidence " . For

> > instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and

vilifying

> > others is casting doubt on the other person's professional

integrity and

> > credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. " she is ONLY a

psychologist,

> > she does NOT have a medical degree " . Instead of swallowing that

nonsense

> > hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in

it first?

> > For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and

> > impeccable credentials.

> > http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

> >

> > In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem

from the

> > Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a " quack " and

> > " vitamin salesman " in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin

therapy

> > for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is

not a

> > " real " doctor.

> >

> > And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket

No. 2006D-

> > 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be

> > construed as FDA " saber rattling " as Hammell does has lost all

credibility

> > in any event.

> >

> > Ingrid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr.

Rima's

> > videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate,

> > knowledgeable, and on our side.

> >

> > BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.

> > They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of

> > scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as

they present

> > them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?

> >

> > I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a

> > big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another

explanation for

> > this. IF you've read at all about government mind control

experiments,

> > you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and

currently DO--

> > control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe

away

> > memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot

of that

> > show was a very light version of what is happening.

> >

> > Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

> >

> > Liora Pearlman

> > Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> > beijing_organic_consumers

> >

> > NO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!

> > NO NAU (North American Union)

> > NO Trilateral Commission!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

signature

> > database 3267 (20080714) __________

> >

> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

> >

> > http://www.eset.com

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I have written to those posting negative, vituperative and

inappropriate information and asked them not to do so again, in one

case, and informed someone who was posting here, but was not a member

of the Forum that such lurking was not permitted.

I hope that will help resotre the tone of positive, helpful

informaiton and support that has so far characterized this

extraordinary FOrum.

Thanks for identifying the problem. If there are any more problems,

please let me know.

Thanks.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

> > Hi Liora,

> >

> > In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am

sitting in the

> > middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some

> > camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are

thousands of

> > other like-minded people across the globe

> >

> > Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one

associates with as

> > " one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep " .

Secondly,

> > always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly

gain from it.

> > For example, you state " But when you look at some of the other

evidence... "

> > and " the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real

facts " . I

> > personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence

unless

> > such " evidence " is substantiated by documentary proof thereof.

Anybody can

> > present alleged facts and my response is always " show me

evidence " . For

> > instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and

vilifying

> > others is casting doubt on the other person's professional

integrity and

> > credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. " she is ONLY a

psychologist,

> > she does NOT have a medical degree " . Instead of swallowing that

nonsense

> > hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in

it first?

> > For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and

> > impeccable credentials.

> > http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

> >

> > In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem

from the

> > Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a " quack " and

> > " vitamin salesman " in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin

therapy

> > for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is

not a

> > " real " doctor.

> >

> > And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket

No. 2006D-

> > 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be

> > construed as FDA " saber rattling " as Hammell does has lost all

credibility

> > in any event.

> >

> > Ingrid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr.

Rima's

> > videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate,

> > knowledgeable, and on our side.

> >

> > BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.

> > They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of

> > scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as

they present

> > them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?

> >

> > I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a

> > big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another

explanation for

> > this. IF you've read at all about government mind control

experiments,

> > you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and

currently DO--

> > control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe

away

> > memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot

of that

> > show was a very light version of what is happening.

> >

> > Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

> >

> > Liora Pearlman

> > Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> > beijing_organic_consumers

> >

> > NO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!

> > NO NAU (North American Union)

> > NO Trilateral Commission!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

signature

> > database 3267 (20080714) __________

> >

> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

> >

> > http://www.eset.com

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I have written to those posting negative, vituperative and

inappropriate information and asked them not to do so again, in one

case, and informed someone who was posting here, but was not a member

of the Forum that such lurking was not permitted.

I hope that will help resotre the tone of positive, helpful

informaiton and support that has so far characterized this

extraordinary FOrum.

Thanks for identifying the problem. If there are any more problems,

please let me know.

Thanks.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

> > Hi Liora,

> >

> > In response to your previous mail - given the fact that I am

sitting in the

> > middle of Africa, it would be nay impossible to haul me off to some

> > camp merely because my name is associated with Dr. Rima as are

thousands of

> > other like-minded people across the globe

> >

> > Firstly, it it always prudent to check out the people one

associates with as

> > " one's own ethics and morals are judged by the company you keep " .

Secondly,

> > always ask yourself what those vilifying others could possibly

gain from it.

> > For example, you state " But when you look at some of the other

evidence... "

> > and " the facts as they present them diverge greatly from the real

facts " . I

> > personally never accept any statements made by someone as evidence

unless

> > such " evidence " is substantiated by documentary proof thereof.

Anybody can

> > present alleged facts and my response is always " show me

evidence " . For

> > instance, the favorite mode of attack of those belittling and

vilifying

> > others is casting doubt on the other person's professional

integrity and

> > credentials, as happened in Rima's case, e.g. " she is ONLY a

psychologist,

> > she does NOT have a medical degree " . Instead of swallowing that

nonsense

> > hook, line and sinker - why not find out if there is any truth in

it first?

> > For example, here you can find out Dr. Rima's professional history and

> > impeccable credentials.

> > http://www.magnetfoundation.org/book/export/html/68

> >

> > In a way it's almost hilarious that such derogative remarks stem

from the

> > Dr. Rath Foundation given the fact that he is labeled as a " quack " and

> > " vitamin salesman " in South Africa and those opposing his vitamin

therapy

> > for HIV positive people also make similar claims, i.e. that he is

not a

> > " real " doctor.

> >

> > And last but not least, someone proclaiming that the FDA Docket

No. 2006D-

> > 0480 which would regulate juices and vitamins as drugs should only be

> > construed as FDA " saber rattling " as Hammell does has lost all

credibility

> > in any event.

> >

> > Ingrid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not want to believe any of it, at first. I've watched Dr.

Rima's

> > videos, been a fan a long time, and she certainly seems passionate,

> > knowledgeable, and on our side.

> >

> > BUT when you look at some of the other evidence...it just does not

add up.

> > They burst onto the scene in 2005, and immediately made enemies out of

> > scores of more experienced Health Freedom people. The facts as

they present

> > them diverge GREATLY from the real facts. How is this?

> >

> > I'm not saying they're necessarily deceiving people on purpose, or

getting a

> > big fat check from the Dark Side. There could be another

explanation for

> > this. IF you've read at all about government mind control

experiments,

> > you'll know just how deeply and totally they can, have, and

currently DO--

> > control people. They create memories, create new identities, wipe

away

> > memories. A'la Manchurian Candidate and the TV show Alias. A lot

of that

> > show was a very light version of what is happening.

> >

> > Makes me wonder if they might be pawns themselves in this larger game.

> >

> > Liora Pearlman

> > Moderator, Beijing Organic Consumers' Association (BOCA)

> > beijing_organic_consumers

> >

> > NO CODEX! Look up on YouTube & Educate yourself!

> > NO NAU (North American Union)

> > NO Trilateral Commission!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hacking, perhaps, might explain how someone not a member could post to the

group.

No, of course Karla did not get banned.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

Dear Dr. Rima,

Thank you for your reply. I was wondering also, did Karla get banned

from our group? She seems to be having trouble posting and seeing

posts today, so I told her I'd check on her behalf.

Also wondering how someone who is not a member can actually post to our

forum? That seems odd to me.

Thanks again,

>

> Dear ,

> I have written to those posting negative, vituperative and

> inappropriate information and asked them not to do so again, in one

> case, and informed someone who was posting here, but was not a member

> of the Forum that such lurking was not permitted.

> I hope that will help resotre the tone of positive, helpful

> informaiton and support that has so far characterized this

> extraordinary FOrum.

> Thanks for identifying the problem. If there are any more problems,

> please let me know.

> Thanks.

> Yours in health and freedom,

> Dr. Rima

[Guest guest]

Hacking, perhaps, might explain how someone not a member could post to the

group.

No, of course Karla did not get banned.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

Dear Dr. Rima,

Thank you for your reply. I was wondering also, did Karla get banned

from our group? She seems to be having trouble posting and seeing

posts today, so I told her I'd check on her behalf.

Also wondering how someone who is not a member can actually post to our

forum? That seems odd to me.

Thanks again,

>

> Dear ,

> I have written to those posting negative, vituperative and

> inappropriate information and asked them not to do so again, in one

> case, and informed someone who was posting here, but was not a member

> of the Forum that such lurking was not permitted.

> I hope that will help resotre the tone of positive, helpful

> informaiton and support that has so far characterized this

> extraordinary FOrum.

> Thanks for identifying the problem. If there are any more problems,

> please let me know.

> Thanks.

> Yours in health and freedom,

> Dr. Rima

[Guest guest]

Hacking, perhaps, might explain how someone not a member could post to the

group.

No, of course Karla did not get banned.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

Dear Dr. Rima,

Thank you for your reply. I was wondering also, did Karla get banned

from our group? She seems to be having trouble posting and seeing

posts today, so I told her I'd check on her behalf.

Also wondering how someone who is not a member can actually post to our

forum? That seems odd to me.

Thanks again,

>

> Dear ,

> I have written to those posting negative, vituperative and

> inappropriate information and asked them not to do so again, in one

> case, and informed someone who was posting here, but was not a member

> of the Forum that such lurking was not permitted.

> I hope that will help resotre the tone of positive, helpful

> informaiton and support that has so far characterized this

> extraordinary FOrum.

> Thanks for identifying the problem. If there are any more problems,

> please let me know.

> Thanks.

> Yours in health and freedom,

> Dr. Rima

[Guest guest]

Hacking, perhaps, might explain how someone not a member could post to the

group.

No, of course Karla did not get banned.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

Dear Dr. Rima,

Thank you for your reply. I was wondering also, did Karla get banned

from our group? She seems to be having trouble posting and seeing

posts today, so I told her I'd check on her behalf.

Also wondering how someone who is not a member can actually post to our

forum? That seems odd to me.

Thanks again,

>

> Dear ,

> I have written to those posting negative, vituperative and

> inappropriate information and asked them not to do so again, in one

> case, and informed someone who was posting here, but was not a member

> of the Forum that such lurking was not permitted.

> I hope that will help resotre the tone of positive, helpful

> informaiton and support that has so far characterized this

> extraordinary FOrum.

> Thanks for identifying the problem. If there are any more problems,

> please let me know.

> Thanks.

> Yours in health and freedom,

> Dr. Rima

[Guest guest]

IMO, the credentials of Dr. Rima, or anyone else, has little to do with

our actual purpose here (or supposed actual purpose), that being the

issue of keeping vaccinations and drugs from being forced on us. What

IS important is working together, as a whole, to defeat new legislation

and change old laws that are counter productive to our cause. We do

that by creating awareness and educating everyone that we can. Dr.

Rima could be an uneducated pauper living in a hut in Timbuktu, as far

as I'm concerned, as long as she's on our side and helping us further

our cause.

Want to donate to NSF? Then donate! Don't want to donate to NSF?

Then don't! But don't lose sight of the big picture -- we HAVE to stop

poisoning our children, and we HAVE to stop government from working to

force poison on our children.

Just my 2 cents!

>

> hi, Ingrid

>

> You are very right about at least one thing...the " only a

psychologist " bit IS totally false.

>

> I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is,

with an MD beside her name) for a very long time.   I don't know what

to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into

for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions

floating around. 

[Guest guest]

IMO, the credentials of Dr. Rima, or anyone else, has little to do with

our actual purpose here (or supposed actual purpose), that being the

issue of keeping vaccinations and drugs from being forced on us. What

IS important is working together, as a whole, to defeat new legislation

and change old laws that are counter productive to our cause. We do

that by creating awareness and educating everyone that we can. Dr.

Rima could be an uneducated pauper living in a hut in Timbuktu, as far

as I'm concerned, as long as she's on our side and helping us further

our cause.

Want to donate to NSF? Then donate! Don't want to donate to NSF?

Then don't! But don't lose sight of the big picture -- we HAVE to stop

poisoning our children, and we HAVE to stop government from working to

force poison on our children.

Just my 2 cents!

>

> hi, Ingrid

>

> You are very right about at least one thing...the " only a

psychologist " bit IS totally false.

>

> I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is,

with an MD beside her name) for a very long time.   I don't know what

to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into

for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions

floating around. 

[Guest guest]

IMO, the credentials of Dr. Rima, or anyone else, has little to do with

our actual purpose here (or supposed actual purpose), that being the

issue of keeping vaccinations and drugs from being forced on us. What

IS important is working together, as a whole, to defeat new legislation

and change old laws that are counter productive to our cause. We do

that by creating awareness and educating everyone that we can. Dr.

Rima could be an uneducated pauper living in a hut in Timbuktu, as far

as I'm concerned, as long as she's on our side and helping us further

our cause.

Want to donate to NSF? Then donate! Don't want to donate to NSF?

Then don't! But don't lose sight of the big picture -- we HAVE to stop

poisoning our children, and we HAVE to stop government from working to

force poison on our children.

Just my 2 cents!

>

> hi, Ingrid

>

> You are very right about at least one thing...the " only a

psychologist " bit IS totally false.

>

> I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is,

with an MD beside her name) for a very long time.   I don't know what

to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into

for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions

floating around. 

[Guest guest]

IMO, the credentials of Dr. Rima, or anyone else, has little to do with

our actual purpose here (or supposed actual purpose), that being the

issue of keeping vaccinations and drugs from being forced on us. What

IS important is working together, as a whole, to defeat new legislation

and change old laws that are counter productive to our cause. We do

that by creating awareness and educating everyone that we can. Dr.

Rima could be an uneducated pauper living in a hut in Timbuktu, as far

as I'm concerned, as long as she's on our side and helping us further

our cause.

Want to donate to NSF? Then donate! Don't want to donate to NSF?

Then don't! But don't lose sight of the big picture -- we HAVE to stop

poisoning our children, and we HAVE to stop government from working to

force poison on our children.

Just my 2 cents!

>

> hi, Ingrid

>

> You are very right about at least one thing...the " only a

psychologist " bit IS totally false.

>

> I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is,

with an MD beside her name) for a very long time.   I don't know what

to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking into

for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird questions

floating around. 

[Guest guest]

I agree, let's clarify what can actually, practically be done in the

big picture. Also, I'd like to know what constitutes OT and what

does not. I know the 'mission statement' and understand it well, but

what does that actually translate into that is do-able?

Thank you,

Liz

> >

> > hi, Ingrid

> >

> > You are very right about at least one thing...the " only a

> psychologist " bit IS totally false.

> >

> > I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is,

> with an MD beside her name) for a very long time.   I don't know

what

> to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking

into

> for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird

questions

> floating around. 

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, let's clarify what can actually, practically be done in the

big picture. Also, I'd like to know what constitutes OT and what

does not. I know the 'mission statement' and understand it well, but

what does that actually translate into that is do-able?

Thank you,

Liz

> >

> > hi, Ingrid

> >

> > You are very right about at least one thing...the " only a

> psychologist " bit IS totally false.

> >

> > I know Dr. Rima's credentials and she is a psychiatrist (that is,

> with an MD beside her name) for a very long time.   I don't know

what

> to think in the final analysis, but it's worth everyone looking

into

> for themselves as you've gotta admit there are a few weird

questions

> floating around. 

>