Re: **What they teach in Medical School...

[Guest guest]

HAHAHAHA! Just shows that these doctors are all morons because all of those

pat phrases are what they say about SSRIs, too. Makes me scared to go to a

doctor given how little they seem to know about most things, especially drugs.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

HAHAHAHA! Just shows that these doctors are all morons because all of those

pat phrases are what they say about SSRIs, too. Makes me scared to go to a

doctor given how little they seem to know about most things, especially drugs.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

HAHAHAHA! Just shows that these doctors are all morons because all of those

pat phrases are what they say about SSRIs, too. Makes me scared to go to a

doctor given how little they seem to know about most things, especially drugs.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

HAHAHAHA! Just shows that these doctors are all morons because all of those

pat phrases are what they say about SSRIs, too. Makes me scared to go to a

doctor given how little they seem to know about most things, especially drugs.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/02 9:31:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

nirenbergl@... writes:

> Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

> perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

>

I'm still thinking about it. This week DIA was shut down because of a

security breach. It was a day-long nightmare for travelers, stranding 15,000

of them while they seached for the woman who broke ranks and trotted off to

her gate without going through security. Now I read that Sky Marshals

rounded up someone on a Delta flight to Philly and pointed a gun at

passengers and I say to myself, " WHAT THE HELL? Do I need this aggravation,

especially since driving down the hill to Denver is a huge deal for me!! "

I'llhave it all figured out this weekend. I really want to go, but hubby is

scheduled to see a surgeon on the 14th and I don't know what will ensue from

that. Right now it's 50-50.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/02 9:31:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

nirenbergl@... writes:

> Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

> perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

>

I'm still thinking about it. This week DIA was shut down because of a

security breach. It was a day-long nightmare for travelers, stranding 15,000

of them while they seached for the woman who broke ranks and trotted off to

her gate without going through security. Now I read that Sky Marshals

rounded up someone on a Delta flight to Philly and pointed a gun at

passengers and I say to myself, " WHAT THE HELL? Do I need this aggravation,

especially since driving down the hill to Denver is a huge deal for me!! "

I'llhave it all figured out this weekend. I really want to go, but hubby is

scheduled to see a surgeon on the 14th and I don't know what will ensue from

that. Right now it's 50-50.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/02 9:31:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

nirenbergl@... writes:

> Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

> perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

>

I'm still thinking about it. This week DIA was shut down because of a

security breach. It was a day-long nightmare for travelers, stranding 15,000

of them while they seached for the woman who broke ranks and trotted off to

her gate without going through security. Now I read that Sky Marshals

rounded up someone on a Delta flight to Philly and pointed a gun at

passengers and I say to myself, " WHAT THE HELL? Do I need this aggravation,

especially since driving down the hill to Denver is a huge deal for me!! "

I'llhave it all figured out this weekend. I really want to go, but hubby is

scheduled to see a surgeon on the 14th and I don't know what will ensue from

that. Right now it's 50-50.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/02 9:31:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

nirenbergl@... writes:

> Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

> perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

>

I'm still thinking about it. This week DIA was shut down because of a

security breach. It was a day-long nightmare for travelers, stranding 15,000

of them while they seached for the woman who broke ranks and trotted off to

her gate without going through security. Now I read that Sky Marshals

rounded up someone on a Delta flight to Philly and pointed a gun at

passengers and I say to myself, " WHAT THE HELL? Do I need this aggravation,

especially since driving down the hill to Denver is a huge deal for me!! "

I'llhave it all figured out this weekend. I really want to go, but hubby is

scheduled to see a surgeon on the 14th and I don't know what will ensue from

that. Right now it's 50-50.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

My doctor made this comment about my reaction to Paxil: " Obviously, you were

always mentally ill otherwise you wouldn't have had such a severe reaction.

The illness was just lying dormant, waiting to be brought out. " This one

STILL floors me. What is he implying, that mental disorders are like

viruses, hiding out someplace, waiting for the right conditions to emerge?

And the right conditions being ingesting some addictive, mind-altering drug,

which the pharmas have convinced doctors is perfectly safe, without side

effects and withdrawals, and oh, the best part is that if your patient goes

whacko once they start taking the drug, it's really because they were cuckoo

in the first place. Oh, save me from this world!!!

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

My doctor made this comment about my reaction to Paxil: " Obviously, you were

always mentally ill otherwise you wouldn't have had such a severe reaction.

The illness was just lying dormant, waiting to be brought out. " This one

STILL floors me. What is he implying, that mental disorders are like

viruses, hiding out someplace, waiting for the right conditions to emerge?

And the right conditions being ingesting some addictive, mind-altering drug,

which the pharmas have convinced doctors is perfectly safe, without side

effects and withdrawals, and oh, the best part is that if your patient goes

whacko once they start taking the drug, it's really because they were cuckoo

in the first place. Oh, save me from this world!!!

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

My doctor made this comment about my reaction to Paxil: " Obviously, you were

always mentally ill otherwise you wouldn't have had such a severe reaction.

The illness was just lying dormant, waiting to be brought out. " This one

STILL floors me. What is he implying, that mental disorders are like

viruses, hiding out someplace, waiting for the right conditions to emerge?

And the right conditions being ingesting some addictive, mind-altering drug,

which the pharmas have convinced doctors is perfectly safe, without side

effects and withdrawals, and oh, the best part is that if your patient goes

whacko once they start taking the drug, it's really because they were cuckoo

in the first place. Oh, save me from this world!!!

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

My doctor made this comment about my reaction to Paxil: " Obviously, you were

always mentally ill otherwise you wouldn't have had such a severe reaction.

The illness was just lying dormant, waiting to be brought out. " This one

STILL floors me. What is he implying, that mental disorders are like

viruses, hiding out someplace, waiting for the right conditions to emerge?

And the right conditions being ingesting some addictive, mind-altering drug,

which the pharmas have convinced doctors is perfectly safe, without side

effects and withdrawals, and oh, the best part is that if your patient goes

whacko once they start taking the drug, it's really because they were cuckoo

in the first place. Oh, save me from this world!!!

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

Touche!

Hi Glitter - Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

copies... I'll take one! Your fan, Lynn

> HAHAHAHA! Just shows that these doctors are all morons

because all of those

> pat phrases are what they say about SSRIs, too. Makes me

scared to go to a

> doctor given how little they seem to know about most things,

especially drugs.

>

> Glitter, author of <A

HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

Touche!

Hi Glitter - Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

copies... I'll take one! Your fan, Lynn

> HAHAHAHA! Just shows that these doctors are all morons

because all of those

> pat phrases are what they say about SSRIs, too. Makes me

scared to go to a

> doctor given how little they seem to know about most things,

especially drugs.

>

> Glitter, author of <A

HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

Touche!

Hi Glitter - Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

copies... I'll take one! Your fan, Lynn

> HAHAHAHA! Just shows that these doctors are all morons

because all of those

> pat phrases are what they say about SSRIs, too. Makes me

scared to go to a

> doctor given how little they seem to know about most things,

especially drugs.

>

> Glitter, author of <A

HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

Touche!

Hi Glitter - Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

copies... I'll take one! Your fan, Lynn

> HAHAHAHA! Just shows that these doctors are all morons

because all of those

> pat phrases are what they say about SSRIs, too. Makes me

scared to go to a

> doctor given how little they seem to know about most things,

especially drugs.

>

> Glitter, author of <A

HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

Yes - I understand... but it would be wonderful if you were there.

Hope your hubby is ok... and, yes, flying these days/daze is a

nightmare like the rest of the world as we know it... coming

d-o-w-n.

> In a message dated 9/1/02 9:31:05 AM Mountain Daylight

Time,

> nirenbergl@y... writes:

>

>

> > Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

> > perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

> >

>

> I'm still thinking about it. This week DIA was shut down

because of a

> security breach. It was a day-long nightmare for travelers,

stranding 15,000

> of them while they seached for the woman who broke ranks

and trotted off to

> her gate without going through security. Now I read that Sky

Marshals

> rounded up someone on a Delta flight to Philly and pointed a

gun at

> passengers and I say to myself, " WHAT THE HELL? Do I need

this aggravation,

> especially since driving down the hill to Denver is a huge deal

for me!! "

> I'llhave it all figured out this weekend. I really want to go, but

hubby is

> scheduled to see a surgeon on the 14th and I don't know what

will ensue from

> that. Right now it's 50-50.

>

> Glitter, author of <A

HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes - I understand... but it would be wonderful if you were there.

Hope your hubby is ok... and, yes, flying these days/daze is a

nightmare like the rest of the world as we know it... coming

d-o-w-n.

> In a message dated 9/1/02 9:31:05 AM Mountain Daylight

Time,

> nirenbergl@y... writes:

>

>

> > Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

> > perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

> >

>

> I'm still thinking about it. This week DIA was shut down

because of a

> security breach. It was a day-long nightmare for travelers,

stranding 15,000

> of them while they seached for the woman who broke ranks

and trotted off to

> her gate without going through security. Now I read that Sky

Marshals

> rounded up someone on a Delta flight to Philly and pointed a

gun at

> passengers and I say to myself, " WHAT THE HELL? Do I need

this aggravation,

> especially since driving down the hill to Denver is a huge deal

for me!! "

> I'llhave it all figured out this weekend. I really want to go, but

hubby is

> scheduled to see a surgeon on the 14th and I don't know what

will ensue from

> that. Right now it's 50-50.

>

> Glitter, author of <A

HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes - I understand... but it would be wonderful if you were there.

Hope your hubby is ok... and, yes, flying these days/daze is a

nightmare like the rest of the world as we know it... coming

d-o-w-n.

> In a message dated 9/1/02 9:31:05 AM Mountain Daylight

Time,

> nirenbergl@y... writes:

>

>

> > Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

> > perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

> >

>

> I'm still thinking about it. This week DIA was shut down

because of a

> security breach. It was a day-long nightmare for travelers,

stranding 15,000

> of them while they seached for the woman who broke ranks

and trotted off to

> her gate without going through security. Now I read that Sky

Marshals

> rounded up someone on a Delta flight to Philly and pointed a

gun at

> passengers and I say to myself, " WHAT THE HELL? Do I need

this aggravation,

> especially since driving down the hill to Denver is a huge deal

for me!! "

> I'llhave it all figured out this weekend. I really want to go, but

hubby is

> scheduled to see a surgeon on the 14th and I don't know what

will ensue from

> that. Right now it's 50-50.

>

> Glitter, author of <A

HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes - I understand... but it would be wonderful if you were there.

Hope your hubby is ok... and, yes, flying these days/daze is a

nightmare like the rest of the world as we know it... coming

d-o-w-n.

> In a message dated 9/1/02 9:31:05 AM Mountain Daylight

Time,

> nirenbergl@y... writes:

>

>

> > Are you coming to the SSRI Symposium? If so,

> > perhaps you can sell your book there - with autographed

> >

>

> I'm still thinking about it. This week DIA was shut down

because of a

> security breach. It was a day-long nightmare for travelers,

stranding 15,000

> of them while they seached for the woman who broke ranks

and trotted off to

> her gate without going through security. Now I read that Sky

Marshals

> rounded up someone on a Delta flight to Philly and pointed a

gun at

> passengers and I say to myself, " WHAT THE HELL? Do I need

this aggravation,

> especially since driving down the hill to Denver is a huge deal

for me!! "

> I'llhave it all figured out this weekend. I really want to go, but

hubby is

> scheduled to see a surgeon on the 14th and I don't know what

will ensue from

> that. Right now it's 50-50.

>

> Glitter, author of <A

HREF= " www.xlibris.com/BlindReason.html " >Blind Reason</A>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

BY GEORGE, I THINK SHE'S GOT IT !!!!!

Do you guys realize the power of this type of writing? This is

exactly like all those stories and jokes going mindlessly around on the

internet all the live-long day. How many do YOU get?

Imagine everybody standing around a pond and throwing in little stones.

What do you see on the surface of the water?

I say everybody here should start writing and sending anecdotes

(evidence) around - just shoot them off into cyberspace (names and

dates changed to protect the innocent). Make up jokes. Just send it

off to your email lists, especially if they are huge.

With what's happening in Australia and Holland with Ritalin, and what

is happening here in the US with Paxil, the time is just right for some

wags like us to set a bunch of little cyber-fish free.......

Good God, we have the biggest library in the world, let's start letting

the information go free. It's the law of exponents.

Time to use the Internet - the way I see it, censorship is already

rampant - better use it while we can.

Jamo

> The Things Doctors Say -

>

> " This drug is perfectly safe. "

>

> " That's ridiculous, you haven't been on long enough. "

>

> " You have been off Xanax for a month now. Because of its short

> half life you

> could not possibly be still experiencing withdrawal symptoms. "

>

> " This must be due to some underlying psychological problem. I

> am going to

> switch you to Klonopin. "

>

> " You have a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's like being a

> diabetic.

>

> You will probably need this drug for the rest of your life. I think you

> need

> Paxil (Zoloft, Prozac – fill in the blanks) to handle your

> depression. "

>

> " I am the doctor here. "

>

> " You heard about this on the internet??? "

>

> " You haven't given it (the anti-depressant) enough time yet.

> Withdrawal

> symptoms should only last for a couple of weeks. You might feel

> a little

> " antsy " and like you have a bit of the flu for a few days. " (Actually

> said

> to me by an addiction doctor who knew I was undergoing a 6 day

> taper from

> Ativan) " And don't stop taking this medication, because if you

> need to start

> again later, it won't work anymore. " (He was talking about

> Seroxat, aka

> Paxil.)

>

> " Fourteen years?! I heard they used to use them a lot before the

> newer drugs

> came along. " (Young UK Casualty doctor)

>

> " The worst of the withdrawals should be over in about three

> days. If you're

> no better in a week, see your GP and he'll give you something. In

> the

> meantime get some sleep, you look terrible. " (Same young UK

> Casualty doctor)

>

> " I could give you a shot of Valium but I can tell you wouldn't thank

> me. "

> (ditto)

>

> " You're having a difficult time because you are too sensitive to

> medication! "

>

> What my doctor says whenever she tries to convince me SSRIs

> are safe and I

> disagree with her: " Well, there have been studies. "

>

> " Take two, they're small. "

>

> " So, you say you are feeling better after tapering Xanax...the

> Xanax wasn't

> making you feel bad to begin with...you have simply " re-wired "

> your brain. "

>

> " People with anxiety disorders cannot become dependent upon

> benzodiazepines. "

>

> " You cannot possibly be addicted to Xanax...you never escalate

> your dose and

> you do not indulge in drug-seeking behavior. "

>

> " The withdrawal will be over within two weeks, tops. "

>

> " You are feeling agitated; restless and you can't sit still or

> concentrate?

> I am changing your diagnosis to manic depression. "

>

> " Why do you even bother to read that internet trash and upset

> yourself? "

>

> " You will never be able to function without Xanax. You cannot

> handle

> absolute reality. "

>

> " Stop this nonsense (while in withdrawal from a benzo), if not the

> men in

> the white coats are coming to get you. "

>

> " And so what!!! Who cares if you are addicted to it? It's a small

> price to

> pay. By the time you need to take higher dosages you will be too

> old to come

> off and die addicted. If it bothers you, hang a picture of your

> mother in

> the garage and throw tomatoes at her. "

>

> " It's impossible to get addicted to something that your body really

> needs. "

>

> " Be careful about listening to people on the internet. Anyone with

> a

> keyboard can post there. "

>

> On Xanax: " Don't worry about addiction, because you are on such

> a low dose

> for your size and weight, addiction will never be an issue. "

>

> " If you take it every day on schedule you won't have to worry about

> addiction. "

>

> " Yes, I might have heard some depression could be possible,

> so I'm going to

> write you a prescription.... "

>

> " I can't help you if you don't take your medicine. "

>

> About tapering and looking down on me: " You only take 1mg. No,

> sorry, no

> idea about withdrawal.... "

>

> " This is the perfect drug for you....it's not addictive. "

>

> " All that's wrong with you is your nerves! " (said in an angry tone

> from the

> same doc who put her on Xanax, while she was in ER)

>

> " It's just like diabetics need insulin...blah, blah. " (same doc in

> ER)

>

> " The withdrawal is over! " (said by psych after detoxing her off

> Xanax cold

> turkey and then off Klonopin in six weeks)

>

> " What you have is deep depression. " (same psych)

>

> " I never heard of such a thing!!! " (after I told another psych about

> one of

> Dr. Ashton's articles that there is such a thing as protracted

> withdrawal)

>

> " Well maybe you should just take her to that doctor in California

> [he meant

> England]. " (same psych)

>

> " Some people just have to take a little all the time. " (3rd psych)

>

> " That's very SLOW. " (referring to taking my mom off about

> 1.25mgs of Ativan

> in TWO weeks)

>

> " It can't be from withdrawal, it's been 2 weeks. He must have

> developed a

> seizure disorder. "

>

> " You could take it (this small amount) for 50 years and never get

> addicted. "

>

> " I'm not convinced this could be withdrawal. It is out of your

> system. You

> have underlying depression that needs to be treated. Why not go

> on 60mg

> Celexa? "

>

> " I've never heard anything like it. I've never heard of anyone

> having so

> much trouble with benzodiazepines! Most people just have the

> *jitters* for

> about two weeks and that's it. "

>

> " You can't quit now, I have 6 more payments to make on my

> Mercedes

> Benzo...uh...I mean Benz. Hey...you look depressed, I can fix

> that! "

>

> " Take two of these and call me next week when you wake up. "

>

> " The reason you're feeling blue is because you took the yellow

> one with the

> green. "

>

> " Your problem is because you were born in the blitz. "

>

> " Your problem is because you were born in a thunderstorm. "

>

> " These pills are OK, it's only the blue ones that are addictive. "

>

> " Get down on your knees and pray, you're an alcoholic. "

>

> " You'll never see an addict wake up in the night with withdrawal. "

>

> " You will take Valium for the rest of your or I will not treat you. "

>

> " If you don't agree to ECT I will put you on a section. "

>

> " You have been abused by hospitals and the drug companies,

> sue the

> bastards. "

>

> " Go away, I'm striking you off my patients list. I don't want addicts

> on

> my register. "

>

> Patient to doctor:

>

> " I'm no longer frightened of hell because I've been there. "

>

> " It's funny I had a dream last night about the devil and he looked

> exactly

> like you. "

[Guest guest]

BY GEORGE, I THINK SHE'S GOT IT !!!!!

Do you guys realize the power of this type of writing? This is

exactly like all those stories and jokes going mindlessly around on the

internet all the live-long day. How many do YOU get?

Imagine everybody standing around a pond and throwing in little stones.

What do you see on the surface of the water?

I say everybody here should start writing and sending anecdotes

(evidence) around - just shoot them off into cyberspace (names and

dates changed to protect the innocent). Make up jokes. Just send it

off to your email lists, especially if they are huge.

With what's happening in Australia and Holland with Ritalin, and what

is happening here in the US with Paxil, the time is just right for some

wags like us to set a bunch of little cyber-fish free.......

Good God, we have the biggest library in the world, let's start letting

the information go free. It's the law of exponents.

Time to use the Internet - the way I see it, censorship is already

rampant - better use it while we can.

Jamo

> The Things Doctors Say -

>

> " This drug is perfectly safe. "

>

> " That's ridiculous, you haven't been on long enough. "

>

> " You have been off Xanax for a month now. Because of its short

> half life you

> could not possibly be still experiencing withdrawal symptoms. "

>

> " This must be due to some underlying psychological problem. I

> am going to

> switch you to Klonopin. "

>

> " You have a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's like being a

> diabetic.

>

> You will probably need this drug for the rest of your life. I think you

> need

> Paxil (Zoloft, Prozac – fill in the blanks) to handle your

> depression. "

>

> " I am the doctor here. "

>

> " You heard about this on the internet??? "

>

> " You haven't given it (the anti-depressant) enough time yet.

> Withdrawal

> symptoms should only last for a couple of weeks. You might feel

> a little

> " antsy " and like you have a bit of the flu for a few days. " (Actually

> said

> to me by an addiction doctor who knew I was undergoing a 6 day

> taper from

> Ativan) " And don't stop taking this medication, because if you

> need to start

> again later, it won't work anymore. " (He was talking about

> Seroxat, aka

> Paxil.)

>

> " Fourteen years?! I heard they used to use them a lot before the

> newer drugs

> came along. " (Young UK Casualty doctor)

>

> " The worst of the withdrawals should be over in about three

> days. If you're

> no better in a week, see your GP and he'll give you something. In

> the

> meantime get some sleep, you look terrible. " (Same young UK

> Casualty doctor)

>

> " I could give you a shot of Valium but I can tell you wouldn't thank

> me. "

> (ditto)

>

> " You're having a difficult time because you are too sensitive to

> medication! "

>

> What my doctor says whenever she tries to convince me SSRIs

> are safe and I

> disagree with her: " Well, there have been studies. "

>

> " Take two, they're small. "

>

> " So, you say you are feeling better after tapering Xanax...the

> Xanax wasn't

> making you feel bad to begin with...you have simply " re-wired "

> your brain. "

>

> " People with anxiety disorders cannot become dependent upon

> benzodiazepines. "

>

> " You cannot possibly be addicted to Xanax...you never escalate

> your dose and

> you do not indulge in drug-seeking behavior. "

>

> " The withdrawal will be over within two weeks, tops. "

>

> " You are feeling agitated; restless and you can't sit still or

> concentrate?

> I am changing your diagnosis to manic depression. "

>

> " Why do you even bother to read that internet trash and upset

> yourself? "

>

> " You will never be able to function without Xanax. You cannot

> handle

> absolute reality. "

>

> " Stop this nonsense (while in withdrawal from a benzo), if not the

> men in

> the white coats are coming to get you. "

>

> " And so what!!! Who cares if you are addicted to it? It's a small

> price to

> pay. By the time you need to take higher dosages you will be too

> old to come

> off and die addicted. If it bothers you, hang a picture of your

> mother in

> the garage and throw tomatoes at her. "

>

> " It's impossible to get addicted to something that your body really

> needs. "

>

> " Be careful about listening to people on the internet. Anyone with

> a

> keyboard can post there. "

>

> On Xanax: " Don't worry about addiction, because you are on such

> a low dose

> for your size and weight, addiction will never be an issue. "

>

> " If you take it every day on schedule you won't have to worry about

> addiction. "

>

> " Yes, I might have heard some depression could be possible,

> so I'm going to

> write you a prescription.... "

>

> " I can't help you if you don't take your medicine. "

>

> About tapering and looking down on me: " You only take 1mg. No,

> sorry, no

> idea about withdrawal.... "

>

> " This is the perfect drug for you....it's not addictive. "

>

> " All that's wrong with you is your nerves! " (said in an angry tone

> from the

> same doc who put her on Xanax, while she was in ER)

>

> " It's just like diabetics need insulin...blah, blah. " (same doc in

> ER)

>

> " The withdrawal is over! " (said by psych after detoxing her off

> Xanax cold

> turkey and then off Klonopin in six weeks)

>

> " What you have is deep depression. " (same psych)

>

> " I never heard of such a thing!!! " (after I told another psych about

> one of

> Dr. Ashton's articles that there is such a thing as protracted

> withdrawal)

>

> " Well maybe you should just take her to that doctor in California

> [he meant

> England]. " (same psych)

>

> " Some people just have to take a little all the time. " (3rd psych)

>

> " That's very SLOW. " (referring to taking my mom off about

> 1.25mgs of Ativan

> in TWO weeks)

>

> " It can't be from withdrawal, it's been 2 weeks. He must have

> developed a

> seizure disorder. "

>

> " You could take it (this small amount) for 50 years and never get

> addicted. "

>

> " I'm not convinced this could be withdrawal. It is out of your

> system. You

> have underlying depression that needs to be treated. Why not go

> on 60mg

> Celexa? "

>

> " I've never heard anything like it. I've never heard of anyone

> having so

> much trouble with benzodiazepines! Most people just have the

> *jitters* for

> about two weeks and that's it. "

>

> " You can't quit now, I have 6 more payments to make on my

> Mercedes

> Benzo...uh...I mean Benz. Hey...you look depressed, I can fix

> that! "

>

> " Take two of these and call me next week when you wake up. "

>

> " The reason you're feeling blue is because you took the yellow

> one with the

> green. "

>

> " Your problem is because you were born in the blitz. "

>

> " Your problem is because you were born in a thunderstorm. "

>

> " These pills are OK, it's only the blue ones that are addictive. "

>

> " Get down on your knees and pray, you're an alcoholic. "

>

> " You'll never see an addict wake up in the night with withdrawal. "

>

> " You will take Valium for the rest of your or I will not treat you. "

>

> " If you don't agree to ECT I will put you on a section. "

>

> " You have been abused by hospitals and the drug companies,

> sue the

> bastards. "

>

> " Go away, I'm striking you off my patients list. I don't want addicts

> on

> my register. "

>

> Patient to doctor:

>

> " I'm no longer frightened of hell because I've been there. "

>

> " It's funny I had a dream last night about the devil and he looked

> exactly

> like you. "

[Guest guest]

BY GEORGE, I THINK SHE'S GOT IT !!!!!

Do you guys realize the power of this type of writing? This is

exactly like all those stories and jokes going mindlessly around on the

internet all the live-long day. How many do YOU get?

Imagine everybody standing around a pond and throwing in little stones.

What do you see on the surface of the water?

I say everybody here should start writing and sending anecdotes

(evidence) around - just shoot them off into cyberspace (names and

dates changed to protect the innocent). Make up jokes. Just send it

off to your email lists, especially if they are huge.

With what's happening in Australia and Holland with Ritalin, and what

is happening here in the US with Paxil, the time is just right for some

wags like us to set a bunch of little cyber-fish free.......

Good God, we have the biggest library in the world, let's start letting

the information go free. It's the law of exponents.

Time to use the Internet - the way I see it, censorship is already

rampant - better use it while we can.

Jamo

> The Things Doctors Say -

>

> " This drug is perfectly safe. "

>

> " That's ridiculous, you haven't been on long enough. "

>

> " You have been off Xanax for a month now. Because of its short

> half life you

> could not possibly be still experiencing withdrawal symptoms. "

>

> " This must be due to some underlying psychological problem. I

> am going to

> switch you to Klonopin. "

>

> " You have a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's like being a

> diabetic.

>

> You will probably need this drug for the rest of your life. I think you

> need

> Paxil (Zoloft, Prozac – fill in the blanks) to handle your

> depression. "

>

> " I am the doctor here. "

>

> " You heard about this on the internet??? "

>

> " You haven't given it (the anti-depressant) enough time yet.

> Withdrawal

> symptoms should only last for a couple of weeks. You might feel

> a little

> " antsy " and like you have a bit of the flu for a few days. " (Actually

> said

> to me by an addiction doctor who knew I was undergoing a 6 day

> taper from

> Ativan) " And don't stop taking this medication, because if you

> need to start

> again later, it won't work anymore. " (He was talking about

> Seroxat, aka

> Paxil.)

>

> " Fourteen years?! I heard they used to use them a lot before the

> newer drugs

> came along. " (Young UK Casualty doctor)

>

> " The worst of the withdrawals should be over in about three

> days. If you're

> no better in a week, see your GP and he'll give you something. In

> the

> meantime get some sleep, you look terrible. " (Same young UK

> Casualty doctor)

>

> " I could give you a shot of Valium but I can tell you wouldn't thank

> me. "

> (ditto)

>

> " You're having a difficult time because you are too sensitive to

> medication! "

>

> What my doctor says whenever she tries to convince me SSRIs

> are safe and I

> disagree with her: " Well, there have been studies. "

>

> " Take two, they're small. "

>

> " So, you say you are feeling better after tapering Xanax...the

> Xanax wasn't

> making you feel bad to begin with...you have simply " re-wired "

> your brain. "

>

> " People with anxiety disorders cannot become dependent upon

> benzodiazepines. "

>

> " You cannot possibly be addicted to Xanax...you never escalate

> your dose and

> you do not indulge in drug-seeking behavior. "

>

> " The withdrawal will be over within two weeks, tops. "

>

> " You are feeling agitated; restless and you can't sit still or

> concentrate?

> I am changing your diagnosis to manic depression. "

>

> " Why do you even bother to read that internet trash and upset

> yourself? "

>

> " You will never be able to function without Xanax. You cannot

> handle

> absolute reality. "

>

> " Stop this nonsense (while in withdrawal from a benzo), if not the

> men in

> the white coats are coming to get you. "

>

> " And so what!!! Who cares if you are addicted to it? It's a small

> price to

> pay. By the time you need to take higher dosages you will be too

> old to come

> off and die addicted. If it bothers you, hang a picture of your

> mother in

> the garage and throw tomatoes at her. "

>

> " It's impossible to get addicted to something that your body really

> needs. "

>

> " Be careful about listening to people on the internet. Anyone with

> a

> keyboard can post there. "

>

> On Xanax: " Don't worry about addiction, because you are on such

> a low dose

> for your size and weight, addiction will never be an issue. "

>

> " If you take it every day on schedule you won't have to worry about

> addiction. "

>

> " Yes, I might have heard some depression could be possible,

> so I'm going to

> write you a prescription.... "

>

> " I can't help you if you don't take your medicine. "

>

> About tapering and looking down on me: " You only take 1mg. No,

> sorry, no

> idea about withdrawal.... "

>

> " This is the perfect drug for you....it's not addictive. "

>

> " All that's wrong with you is your nerves! " (said in an angry tone

> from the

> same doc who put her on Xanax, while she was in ER)

>

> " It's just like diabetics need insulin...blah, blah. " (same doc in

> ER)

>

> " The withdrawal is over! " (said by psych after detoxing her off

> Xanax cold

> turkey and then off Klonopin in six weeks)

>

> " What you have is deep depression. " (same psych)

>

> " I never heard of such a thing!!! " (after I told another psych about

> one of

> Dr. Ashton's articles that there is such a thing as protracted

> withdrawal)

>

> " Well maybe you should just take her to that doctor in California

> [he meant

> England]. " (same psych)

>

> " Some people just have to take a little all the time. " (3rd psych)

>

> " That's very SLOW. " (referring to taking my mom off about

> 1.25mgs of Ativan

> in TWO weeks)

>

> " It can't be from withdrawal, it's been 2 weeks. He must have

> developed a

> seizure disorder. "

>

> " You could take it (this small amount) for 50 years and never get

> addicted. "

>

> " I'm not convinced this could be withdrawal. It is out of your

> system. You

> have underlying depression that needs to be treated. Why not go

> on 60mg

> Celexa? "

>

> " I've never heard anything like it. I've never heard of anyone

> having so

> much trouble with benzodiazepines! Most people just have the

> *jitters* for

> about two weeks and that's it. "

>

> " You can't quit now, I have 6 more payments to make on my

> Mercedes

> Benzo...uh...I mean Benz. Hey...you look depressed, I can fix

> that! "

>

> " Take two of these and call me next week when you wake up. "

>

> " The reason you're feeling blue is because you took the yellow

> one with the

> green. "

>

> " Your problem is because you were born in the blitz. "

>

> " Your problem is because you were born in a thunderstorm. "

>

> " These pills are OK, it's only the blue ones that are addictive. "

>

> " Get down on your knees and pray, you're an alcoholic. "

>

> " You'll never see an addict wake up in the night with withdrawal. "

>

> " You will take Valium for the rest of your or I will not treat you. "

>

> " If you don't agree to ECT I will put you on a section. "

>

> " You have been abused by hospitals and the drug companies,

> sue the

> bastards. "

>

> " Go away, I'm striking you off my patients list. I don't want addicts

> on

> my register. "

>

> Patient to doctor:

>

> " I'm no longer frightened of hell because I've been there. "

>

> " It's funny I had a dream last night about the devil and he looked

> exactly

> like you. "

[Guest guest]

BY GEORGE, I THINK SHE'S GOT IT !!!!!

Do you guys realize the power of this type of writing? This is

exactly like all those stories and jokes going mindlessly around on the

internet all the live-long day. How many do YOU get?

Imagine everybody standing around a pond and throwing in little stones.

What do you see on the surface of the water?

I say everybody here should start writing and sending anecdotes

(evidence) around - just shoot them off into cyberspace (names and

dates changed to protect the innocent). Make up jokes. Just send it

off to your email lists, especially if they are huge.

With what's happening in Australia and Holland with Ritalin, and what

is happening here in the US with Paxil, the time is just right for some

wags like us to set a bunch of little cyber-fish free.......

Good God, we have the biggest library in the world, let's start letting

the information go free. It's the law of exponents.

Time to use the Internet - the way I see it, censorship is already

rampant - better use it while we can.

Jamo

> The Things Doctors Say -

>

> " This drug is perfectly safe. "

>

> " That's ridiculous, you haven't been on long enough. "

>

> " You have been off Xanax for a month now. Because of its short

> half life you

> could not possibly be still experiencing withdrawal symptoms. "

>

> " This must be due to some underlying psychological problem. I

> am going to

> switch you to Klonopin. "

>

> " You have a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's like being a

> diabetic.

>

> You will probably need this drug for the rest of your life. I think you

> need

> Paxil (Zoloft, Prozac – fill in the blanks) to handle your

> depression. "

>

> " I am the doctor here. "

>

> " You heard about this on the internet??? "

>

> " You haven't given it (the anti-depressant) enough time yet.

> Withdrawal

> symptoms should only last for a couple of weeks. You might feel

> a little

> " antsy " and like you have a bit of the flu for a few days. " (Actually

> said

> to me by an addiction doctor who knew I was undergoing a 6 day

> taper from

> Ativan) " And don't stop taking this medication, because if you

> need to start

> again later, it won't work anymore. " (He was talking about

> Seroxat, aka

> Paxil.)

>

> " Fourteen years?! I heard they used to use them a lot before the

> newer drugs

> came along. " (Young UK Casualty doctor)

>

> " The worst of the withdrawals should be over in about three

> days. If you're

> no better in a week, see your GP and he'll give you something. In

> the

> meantime get some sleep, you look terrible. " (Same young UK

> Casualty doctor)

>

> " I could give you a shot of Valium but I can tell you wouldn't thank

> me. "

> (ditto)

>

> " You're having a difficult time because you are too sensitive to

> medication! "

>

> What my doctor says whenever she tries to convince me SSRIs

> are safe and I

> disagree with her: " Well, there have been studies. "

>

> " Take two, they're small. "

>

> " So, you say you are feeling better after tapering Xanax...the

> Xanax wasn't

> making you feel bad to begin with...you have simply " re-wired "

> your brain. "

>

> " People with anxiety disorders cannot become dependent upon

> benzodiazepines. "

>

> " You cannot possibly be addicted to Xanax...you never escalate

> your dose and

> you do not indulge in drug-seeking behavior. "

>

> " The withdrawal will be over within two weeks, tops. "

>

> " You are feeling agitated; restless and you can't sit still or

> concentrate?

> I am changing your diagnosis to manic depression. "

>

> " Why do you even bother to read that internet trash and upset

> yourself? "

>

> " You will never be able to function without Xanax. You cannot

> handle

> absolute reality. "

>

> " Stop this nonsense (while in withdrawal from a benzo), if not the

> men in

> the white coats are coming to get you. "

>

> " And so what!!! Who cares if you are addicted to it? It's a small

> price to

> pay. By the time you need to take higher dosages you will be too

> old to come

> off and die addicted. If it bothers you, hang a picture of your

> mother in

> the garage and throw tomatoes at her. "

>

> " It's impossible to get addicted to something that your body really

> needs. "

>

> " Be careful about listening to people on the internet. Anyone with

> a

> keyboard can post there. "

>

> On Xanax: " Don't worry about addiction, because you are on such

> a low dose

> for your size and weight, addiction will never be an issue. "

>

> " If you take it every day on schedule you won't have to worry about

> addiction. "

>

> " Yes, I might have heard some depression could be possible,

> so I'm going to

> write you a prescription.... "

>

> " I can't help you if you don't take your medicine. "

>

> About tapering and looking down on me: " You only take 1mg. No,

> sorry, no

> idea about withdrawal.... "

>

> " This is the perfect drug for you....it's not addictive. "

>

> " All that's wrong with you is your nerves! " (said in an angry tone

> from the

> same doc who put her on Xanax, while she was in ER)

>

> " It's just like diabetics need insulin...blah, blah. " (same doc in

> ER)

>

> " The withdrawal is over! " (said by psych after detoxing her off

> Xanax cold

> turkey and then off Klonopin in six weeks)

>

> " What you have is deep depression. " (same psych)

>

> " I never heard of such a thing!!! " (after I told another psych about

> one of

> Dr. Ashton's articles that there is such a thing as protracted

> withdrawal)

>

> " Well maybe you should just take her to that doctor in California

> [he meant

> England]. " (same psych)

>

> " Some people just have to take a little all the time. " (3rd psych)

>

> " That's very SLOW. " (referring to taking my mom off about

> 1.25mgs of Ativan

> in TWO weeks)

>

> " It can't be from withdrawal, it's been 2 weeks. He must have

> developed a

> seizure disorder. "

>

> " You could take it (this small amount) for 50 years and never get

> addicted. "

>

> " I'm not convinced this could be withdrawal. It is out of your

> system. You

> have underlying depression that needs to be treated. Why not go

> on 60mg

> Celexa? "

>

> " I've never heard anything like it. I've never heard of anyone

> having so

> much trouble with benzodiazepines! Most people just have the

> *jitters* for

> about two weeks and that's it. "

>

> " You can't quit now, I have 6 more payments to make on my

> Mercedes

> Benzo...uh...I mean Benz. Hey...you look depressed, I can fix

> that! "

>

> " Take two of these and call me next week when you wake up. "

>

> " The reason you're feeling blue is because you took the yellow

> one with the

> green. "

>

> " Your problem is because you were born in the blitz. "

>

> " Your problem is because you were born in a thunderstorm. "

>

> " These pills are OK, it's only the blue ones that are addictive. "

>

> " Get down on your knees and pray, you're an alcoholic. "

>

> " You'll never see an addict wake up in the night with withdrawal. "

>

> " You will take Valium for the rest of your or I will not treat you. "

>

> " If you don't agree to ECT I will put you on a section. "

>

> " You have been abused by hospitals and the drug companies,

> sue the

> bastards. "

>

> " Go away, I'm striking you off my patients list. I don't want addicts

> on

> my register. "

>

> Patient to doctor:

>

> " I'm no longer frightened of hell because I've been there. "

>

> " It's funny I had a dream last night about the devil and he looked

> exactly

> like you. "

[Guest guest]

on 1/9/02 10:45 AM, glitterari@... at glitterari@... wrote:

> Makes me scared to go to a

> doctor given how little they seem to know about most things, especially drugs.

Doctors expect to be treated like God.

If God knew only as much as medical doctors do, we would be in even worse

trouble :)k