Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Not sure whether this has already been posted Ingrid http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/04/26/vaccine-autism-question-divides-parents-scientists.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I am thinking he is forgetting possibly that the thyroid is not the only part of the body that uses iodine. in AlaskaOn Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM, maribob7 <myrv@...> wrote: I posted this on the OT site but meant to post it here. What does everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola??? " Iodine is Important but a New Study Shows Too Much Causes Problems " " 400 micrograms a day and more " as higher doses???? Note he's talking micrograms here, not milligrams. " In fact, I don't generally advise taking iodine supplements like Lugol's or Ioderol, because your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide). Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn't utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress. " http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/08/iodine-is-important-but-new-study-shows-too-much-causes-problems.aspx If you read the full article he even mentions Dr. Brownstein. I still will not quit taking Iodoral like I do though. It has really helped me. I've been taking it for a long time, and will probably continue for a long time. V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hi , If you listen to the interview Mercola posted with Dr. Brownstein along with this article, you will hear Mercola say he takes Iodoral daily. So this Mercola article is obviously not inline with what Mercola does himself. Perhaps someone on his staff wrote the article? The information in the article is totally false. I have found that sadly most of Dr. Mercola's articles in the last few years are because he selling one of his products. Maybe he has an iodine for sale? In any case, the article is bunk! Best, Kathleen moderator Dr. Mercola article I posted this on the OT site but meant to post it here. What does everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola???"Iodine is Important but a New Study Shows Too Much Causes Problems" "400 micrograms a day and more" as higher doses???? Note he's talking micrograms here, not milligrams."In fact, I don't generally advise taking iodine supplements like Lugol's or Ioderol, because your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide). Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn't utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress."http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/08/iodine-is-important-but-new-study-shows-too-much-causes-problems.aspxIf you read the full article he even mentions Dr. Brownstein. I still will not quit taking Iodoral like I do though. It has really helped me. I've been taking it for a long time, and will probably continue for a long time. V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Read the comment section which often put things in perspective. Many comments reflect the thinking in our group.Olushola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Oh I agree 100% . Dr. Mercola is way off base with this one. I have read Dr. Brownstein's book and advised many others I know to read it also. I was just wondering if someone would comment on his " your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide) " ....and the body not using iodine directly and causing oxidative stress. I do have some medical experience and I also have a holistic doctor that swears by Dr. Brownstein and has met w/him. I also at one time tried to contact Dr. Mercola about an article he had supposedly written that didn't make sense. I was completely blown off, but the article changed. LOL I too have lost respect for him. V > > > I posted this on the OT site but meant to post it here. > > > > What does everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola??? > > > > " Iodine is Important but a New Study Shows Too Much Causes Problems " > > > > " 400 micrograms a day and more " as higher doses???? Note he's talking > > micrograms here, not milligrams. > > > > " In fact, I don't generally advise taking iodine supplements like > > Lugol's or Ioderol, because your thyroid only transports iodine in its > > ionized form (i.e. iodide). Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into > > iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn't > > utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, > > which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress. " > > > > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/08/iodine-i > > s-important-but-new-study-shows-too-much-causes-problems.aspx > > > > If you read the full article he even mentions Dr. Brownstein. > > > > I still will not quit taking Iodoral like I do though. It has really > > helped me. I've been taking it for a long time, and will probably > > continue for a long time. > > > > V > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Owner: Buist, ND HC > > Moderators: Baker, Kathleen Blake, Donna Iler, Linn > > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > > IodineOT/ > > > > > > The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > > iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%2 > > 0-%20READ%20FIRST/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Mercola is just out to make a buck. Simple as that. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:54 AM, maribob7 <myrv@...> wrote: Oh I agree 100% . Dr. Mercola is way off base with this one. I have read Dr. Brownstein's book and advised many others I know to read it also. I was just wondering if someone would comment on his " your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide) " ....and the body not using iodine directly and causing oxidative stress. I do have some medical experience and I also have a holistic doctor that swears by Dr. Brownstein and has met w/him. I also at one time tried to contact Dr. Mercola about an article he had supposedly written that didn't make sense. I was completely blown off, but the article changed. LOL I too have lost respect for him. V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hi Kathleen, kind of hypocritical, isn't he. I wonder what dosage he takes of Iodoral, being the article stated that 400 micrograms a day was a higher dose. If that's the case he must split one Iodoral numerous times. I'm sure most must know that it takes 1000 micrograms to make one milligram. LOL V > > Hi , > If you listen to the interview Mercola posted with Dr. Brownstein along with this article, you will hear Mercola say he takes Iodoral daily. So this Mercola article is obviously not inline with what Mercola does himself. Perhaps someone on his staff wrote the article? The information in the article is totally false. I have found that sadly most of Dr. Mercola's articles in the last few years are because he selling one of his products. Maybe he has an iodine for sale? In any case, the article is bunk! > Best, > Kathleen > moderator > Dr. Mercola article > > > > I posted this on the OT site but meant to post it here. > > What does everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola??? > > " Iodine is Important but a New Study Shows Too Much Causes Problems " > > " 400 micrograms a day and more " as higher doses???? Note he's talking micrograms here, not milligrams. > > " In fact, I don't generally advise taking iodine supplements like Lugol's or Ioderol, because your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide). Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn't utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress. " > > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/08/iodine-is-importan\ t-but-new-study-shows-too-much-causes-problems.aspx<http://articles.mercola.com/\ sites/articles/archive/2012/02/08/iodine-is-important-but-new-study-shows-too-mu\ ch-causes-problems.aspx> > > If you read the full article he even mentions Dr. Brownstein. > > I still will not quit taking Iodoral like I do though. It has really helped me. I've been taking it for a long time, and will probably continue for a long time. > > V > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Great post and thank you for this...you didn't post your name. I was looking for someone with some chemistry background to correct or comment on this. My gut just told me there had to be a flaw in his reasoning somewhere. Thanks again. V > > I believe Dr. Mercola got the basic chemistry wrong here. > > The iodide form, I-, which carries one negative charge, is the reduced form (reduction means accepting negatively charged electrons). The iodine form, I2, which carries no charge, is the iodized form (oxidation means donating electrons). > > When the body has to " split I2 into two I- ions, " as Dr. M. puts it, it is reducing iodine into iodide, not oxidizing it, as he claims. > > It is true, however, that something else has to get oxidized (i.e., donate electrons) in order for I2 to get reduced (accepting electrons). Any reduction reaction is accompanied by an oxidation reaction and vice versa. That's why, in chemistry, these are more properly referred to as redox reactions. The two are always linked. > > This all seems basically irrelevant to me, even he had gotten the chemistry right. Redox reactions are a normal part of biology, required for life and neither good nor bad in themselves. It's the overall balance with other bodily processes that determines if they are healthy or unhealthy. > > And you can't determine that by reciting elementary chemistry, even if you get it right. > > > > What does everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola???... > > > > " In fact, I don't generally advise taking iodine supplements like Lugol's or Ioderol, because your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide). Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn't utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress. " > > > > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/08/iodine-is-importan\ t-but-new-study-shows-too-much-causes-problems.aspx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Sounds like he opened a can of worms....for himself that is. LOL V > > Read the comment section which often put things in perspective. Many > comments reflect the thinking in our group. > > Olushola > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hello Folks. > What does everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola??? Yes - this DOES relate closely to your query=> Back when I learned how cellular phones were just microwave transceivers, I found some ferrite beads to use on the wired earbuds, and they cost under $1 each, shipped. Within weeks a client of mine showed me her latest pride & joy - perfectly identical ferrite beads bought at Mercola's urging through his (advertising) 'newsletter', so I looked, and saw this: http://products.mercola.com/ferrite-beads/ I have nothing against folks making a living - but those ferrite beads I got came to me from a profit-making company - for $1; charging $10 each is simply shameful. THAT is exactly when I realized what a shameless profiteer Mercola is, and I quit believing anything attributed to him. So: > I still will not quit taking Iodoral like I do though. It has really helped me. I've been taking it for a long time, and will probably continue for a long time. It seems wise to me not to change one's life based upon such info. Right now I've made huge health gains which I mostly credit to my usage of Lugol's & companion nutrients, and I too have no intentions of changing based upon such info. Best Wishes to All ! mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-illness-strikes-media-iodophob\ ia.html Thursday, January 19, 2012 A New Illness Strikes: Media-Iodophobia Folks, a new illness is rampaging the country. It causes extreme anxiety and fear. What is the name of this illness? Media-iodophobia. Media-iodophobia occurs when the news media erroneously reports the results of a medical article which causes anxiety and fear in the lay public. I knew when I saw the headline in the Reuters article yesterday that I would be busy answering questions about the study. The headline read, " How much iodine is too much? " Even my publisher (whom I enjoy writing for) reported on the study today with the headline, " Too much iodine hurts thyroid function. " Does too much iodine hurt thyroid function? To answer the question, I pulled the article and dissected it. The scientists studied 256 normal-thyroid adults in a four week, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized controlled trial.(1) The patients were randomly assigned to 12 intervention groups with iodine supplemented at doses ranging from 0-2mg/day. The researchers studied the effects of the differing doses of iodine by measuring thyroid function, thyroid size, and urinary iodine. The authors found that, as compared with the placebo group, all the iodine- supplemented groups responded with significantly increased urinary iodine excretion. Furthermore, the thyroid size decreased in the iodine-supplemented groups. These effects are exactly what you would expect when supplementing with iodine. In fact, a decreased thyroid size is a good sign as iodine helps improve the architecture of the thyroid gland. The scientists also studied the thyroid function in the different treatment groups. They found that the subjects treated with higher amounts of iodine had slightly elevated TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) levels. They termed the subjects who had increased TSH levels as suffering from subclinical hypothyroidism. They concluded, " This study showed that subclinical hypothyroidism appeared in the participants who {ingested 800ug iodine per day}… Thus we caution against a total daily iodine intake that exceeds 800ug/day… " This conclusion is the genesis of media-iodophobia as most people do not read research articles and just read the summary. The conclusion of the article makes it clear that the researchers were also suffering from iodophobia—medical iodophobia. Medical iodophobia is a term coined by my mentor, Dr. Guy Abraham. Unfortunately, in this case, medical iodophobia leads to media-iodophobia. How did I come up with these diagnoses? The authors of the study concluded that the slightly elevated TSH confers a diagnosis of subclinical hypothyroidism. Nothing could be further from the truth. Does iodine cause the TSH to rise? The answer is " yes " . Does the elevated TSH mean the thyroid gland is failing? The answer to this question is " no " . It is well known, or should be well known, that iodine is transported into the cell by a transport molecule known as sodium-iodide symporter (NIS). NIS is stimulated by TSH.(2) Therefore, when iodine supplementation is begun, one of the first effects seen is a slight elevation of TSH as the body is trying to produce transport molecules (NIS) to move iodine into the cell. After iodine supplementation begins, it is normal and expected for TSH to elevate slightly. I have been lecturing to doctors and lay people alike about this concept for nearly 10 years. In fact, I have written about this important concept in my book, Iodine: Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It, 4th Edition. In this study, subclinical hypothyroidism should not be the correct diagnosis if the other thyroid function tests (T3 and T4 levels) remain normal. In a true hypothyroid condition, TSH will increase and T3 and T4 levels will fall below the reference range. I have been teaching doctors how to properly use and monitor iodine supplementation in their practice. My experience has shown that many patients do experience a transient increase in TSH levels while maintaining normal levels of the other thyroid hormones—T3 and T4. Furthermore, a vast majority of patients feel significantly better with iodine therapy. In this article, the researchers did not report symptomatic changes with iodine therapy. The proper conclusion of this study should have read, " This study showed, as expected that iodine therapy resulted in a slightly elevated TSH. This would indicate that the subjects were properly producing NIS in order to transport iodine into the cell. Furthermore, as expected, iodine therapy appeared to improve the architecture of the thyroid gland by decreasing the thyroid gland volume as observed by ultrasonography measurement. " I have been using iodine effectively in my practice for nearly 10 years. More information about iodine can be found in my book and my newsletters. Please go to www.drbrownstein.com for more information. (1) J Bioenerg Biomembr. 1998 Apr;30(2):195-206 > > I posted this on the OT site but meant to post it here. > > What does everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola??? > > " Iodine is Important but a New Study Shows Too Much Causes Problems " > > " 400 micrograms a day and more " as higher doses???? Note he's talking micrograms here, not milligrams. > > " In fact, I don't generally advise taking iodine supplements like Lugol's or Ioderol, because your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide). Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn't utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress. " > > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/08/iodine-is-importan\ t-but-new-study-shows-too-much-causes-problems.aspx > > If you read the full article he even mentions Dr. Brownstein. > > I still will not quit taking Iodoral like I do though. It has really helped me. I've been taking it for a long time, and will probably continue for a long time. > > V > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 The statements about ionized form blah blah are wrong. They seem to be based somehow in the debunked-but-still-taught-in-med-schools Wolff-Chaikoff Effect. But when I said the article was bunk, I meant, every part of it. --V On 10 Feb 2012 at 15:54, maribob7 wrote: > Oh I agree 100% . Dr. Mercola is way off base with this one. I > have read Dr. Brownstein's book and advised many others I know to read > it also. I was just wondering if someone would comment on his " your > thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. > iodide) " ....and the body not using iodine directly and causing > oxidative stress. I do have some medical experience and I also have a > holistic doctor that swears by Dr. Brownstein and has met w/him. I > also at one time tried to contact Dr. Mercola about an article he had > supposedly written that didn't make sense. I was completely blown off, > but the article changed. LOL I too have lost respect for him. V > > > > > > I posted > this on the OT site but meant to post it here. > > > > What does > everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola??? > > > > > " Iodine is Important but a New Study Shows Too Much Causes Problems " > > > > > " 400 micrograms a day and more " as higher doses???? Note he's > talking > > micrograms here, not milligrams. > > > > " In fact, I don't > generally advise taking iodine supplements like > > Lugol's or > Ioderol, because your thyroid only transports iodine in its > > > ionized form (i.e. iodide). Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into > > > iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn't > > > utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, > > > which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress. " > > > > > > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/08/iodine-i > > > s-important-but-new-study-shows-too-much-causes-problems.aspx > > > > > If you read the full article he even mentions Dr. Brownstein. > > > > > I still will not quit taking Iodoral like I do though. It has > really > > helped me. I've been taking it for a long time, and will > probably > > continue for a long time. > > > > V > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Owner: > Buist, ND HC > > Moderators: Baker, Kathleen Blake, Donna > Iler, Linn > > > > All off topic posts should go to the > IodineOT group > > IodineOT/ > > > > > > > The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > > > iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%2 > > > 0-%20READ%20FIRST/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Where did you order your beads? Re: Dr. Mercola article > >Hello Folks. > >> What does everyone think of this iodine article by Dr. Mercola??? > >Yes - this DOES relate closely to your query=> >Back when I learned how cellular phones were just microwave transceivers, I found some ferrite beads to use on the wired earbuds, and they cost under $1 each, shipped. > >Within weeks a client of mine showed me her latest pride & joy - perfectly identical ferrite beads bought at Mercola's urging through his (advertising) 'newsletter', so I looked, and saw this: >http://products.mercola.com/ferrite-beads/ > >I have nothing against folks making a living - but those ferrite beads I got came to me from a profit-making company - for $1; charging $10 each is simply shameful. > >THAT is exactly when I realized what a shameless profiteer Mercola is, and I quit believing anything attributed to him. > >So: >> I still will not quit taking Iodoral like I do though. It has really helped me. I've been taking it for a long time, and will probably continue for a long time. > >It seems wise to me not to change one's life based upon such info. > >Right now I've made huge health gains which I mostly credit to my usage of Lugol's & companion nutrients, and I too have no intentions of changing based upon such info. > >Best Wishes to All ! > >mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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