Balance

[Guest guest]

I wonder if the crappy eating and overtraining go hand in hand for numerous

reasons. One, the most obvious, would be that it would be easier to overtrain

if your body isn't getting the right nutrients to help you recover.

Another could be that people who overtrain do so because they aren't seeing the

results they desire so they think more is better. To help make progress they

probably take lots of meal replacement shakes and protein bars throughout the

day which is crappy eating.

I guess these two reasons could be interlinked as well.

crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

Thanks for the update. What I notice with people who switch over to

eating healthy is there does seem to be a period of weight gain as if

the body is trying to adjust to having proper nutrients, like it's

hoarding them for a future time where the person will return to

unhealthy food. I think the body gets the picture and then there is

weight loss/gain (whatever is desired) and then people can make small

changes and update their diet. I think cravings are an important

clue, I'm not saying to what, just that they are an important clue. I

knew this one heavy guy who made changes and it took almost a year to

see changes and then he dropped some weight in a timely fashion. He

was also over-training which is the commonest of mistakes in the gym

and it seems crappy eating and overtraining go hand in hand which is

ironic, don't you think.

>

> Well, I figured it's time for an update on my progress. In case

some

> of you have forgotten, I was a raw vegan for a period of time and

lost

> too much weight and couldn't put any muscle or weight back on with

the

> raw vegan diet so did a bunch of research and found the WAPF site

and

> did the reading there, bought a few books and jumped into that with

> both feet. Unfortunately, I didn't monitor calories and ended up

> putting on over 20 pounds over the course of 5 months, most of which

> wasn't muscle.

>

> From there I continued to follow the WAPF principles but in a low

> carbohydrate protocol WHILE monitoring caloric intake. This

> definitely helped me, and my shape began to improve with a loss of

fat

> along with muscle gain. As I combined two principles at once I'm

not

> sure which was the most help - tracking calories so as not to

overeat

> and going low carbohydrate.

>

> I'm at the point now where I still have a few pounds to lose but I

> really miss the fruits I used to eat regularly. I'm going to keep

my

> fat and protein intake high but add in fruits here and there as

well.

> With the low carbohydrate diet, I ate vegetables and did have some

> fruit but ONLY post-workout. Most of my meals were meats, eggs,

fish

> with a small salad if anything. I did keep drinking raw milk

despite

> what was recommended by the low carbohydrate bodybuilding groups

> because of health reasons.

>

> It always seems to come back to balance. One extreme was the raw

> vegan and the other was the low carbohydrate. The Weston A. Price

> eating style was balanced but since I didn't monitor calories and

> ended up eating way more than I was supposed to, that ended up being

> extreme as well, but calorie-wise and not macro-nutrient wise.

>

> Just thought I'd let everyone know where I am today and my thinking

> behind it. Any thoughts or opinions on this would be appreciated!

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I definitely think it's the " more is better " style of thinking that

affects a lot of people and the " calorie in vs. calorie out " style of

thinking which doesn't take into account how much it costs your body

to deal with 300 calories of sugar cookies vs. 300 calories from

fish, let's say, where the fish is actually nourishing your body. So

they will go on the stairmaster until the little calorie ticker says

300 calories and think they're fine. I know b/c I used to do this a

long time ago, lol. The worst part is I used to have so much muscle

mass and definition, I got compliments on my body all the time. It's

amazing how the body could put that muscle on while I was eating such

crap. All that muscle ended up just disguising the real trouble I was

in! I'm amazed when I think about it.

> >

> > Well, I figured it's time for an update on my progress. In case

> some

> > of you have forgotten, I was a raw vegan for a period of time

and

> lost

> > too much weight and couldn't put any muscle or weight back on

with

> the

> > raw vegan diet so did a bunch of research and found the WAPF

site

> and

> > did the reading there, bought a few books and jumped into that

with

> > both feet. Unfortunately, I didn't monitor calories and ended up

> > putting on over 20 pounds over the course of 5 months, most of

which

> > wasn't muscle.

> >

> > From there I continued to follow the WAPF principles but in a low

> > carbohydrate protocol WHILE monitoring caloric intake. This

> > definitely helped me, and my shape began to improve with a loss

of

> fat

> > along with muscle gain. As I combined two principles at once

I'm

> not

> > sure which was the most help - tracking calories so as not to

> overeat

> > and going low carbohydrate.

> >

> > I'm at the point now where I still have a few pounds to lose but

I

> > really miss the fruits I used to eat regularly. I'm going to

keep

> my

> > fat and protein intake high but add in fruits here and there as

> well.

> > With the low carbohydrate diet, I ate vegetables and did have

some

> > fruit but ONLY post-workout. Most of my meals were meats, eggs,

> fish

> > with a small salad if anything. I did keep drinking raw milk

> despite

> > what was recommended by the low carbohydrate bodybuilding groups

> > because of health reasons.

> >

> > It always seems to come back to balance. One extreme was the raw

> > vegan and the other was the low carbohydrate. The Weston A.

Price

> > eating style was balanced but since I didn't monitor calories and

> > ended up eating way more than I was supposed to, that ended up

being

> > extreme as well, but calorie-wise and not macro-nutrient wise.

> >

> > Just thought I'd let everyone know where I am today and my

thinking

> > behind it. Any thoughts or opinions on this would be

appreciated!

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

...I used to have so much muscle

> mass and definition, I got compliments on my body all the time. It's

> amazing how the body could put that muscle on...All that muscle...

Crayfish,

That's hot--got any pics?

tb

[Guest guest]

cold shower DD7? heehee (I am feeling so silly tonight)

On 4/10/07, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Crayfish,

> That's hot--got any pics?

> tb

>

>

>

>

>

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Full moon tonight ladies???

downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

...I used to have so much muscle

> mass and definition, I got compliments on my body all the time. It's

> amazing how the body could put that muscle on...All that muscle...

Crayfish,

That's hot--got any pics?

tb

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Cool, me too, thank god there are normal people out there, B$ all you go off on

me, this is a semi-joke...

like a little bit of comaradarie around here....

HippeeSandee

Siemens <mandamom2many@...> wrote:

cold shower DD7? heehee (I am feeling so silly tonight)

On 4/10/07, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Crayfish,

> That's hot--got any pics?

> tb

>

>

>

>

>

--

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No fear, only faith; no guilt, only grace; no pride, only praise; no claim,

only Christ

[Guest guest]

Alright,i have been trying like heck to follow the south beach

program..Itried the atkins for a week and the bowels just weren't flowin

properly,which is

completely against my religion..so now the SB diet...Two years ago i find out I

am Celiac,so I quit eating all the stuff necessary and have always been quite

organic and avoided all the yuck foods for the most part..And now with and

extra 10 pounds,I cannot fit into my clothes,so rather than buy all new duds..I

am gonna lose this weight!HA!.So Atkins for a week,now I started the Sb for a

week and was doing great( lost 7 pounds) and then Easter hit,So for that

evening I left the plan and ate the wrong foods even for a Celiac and now since

Monday, I am back on track and starving again..I wanted to attack the

strawberries in the frig and eat a bowl of rice cereal so bad this

morning.But,being the

stick to it girl i am eating organic eggs with feta,tomatoes and

spinach..AAAAAAHH!..So HELP..I walk and work out with weights,but am just so

frustrated at

this point I would love anothers opinion..Anyone for a challenge?Dee

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[Guest guest]

If I had any pics, I swear I'd post them. I would use one as a little

thumbnail pic for when I signed on here. I never took any pics around

that time, it's like I was allergic to cameras or something. But

sometimes I think it's for the better, I don't want to be one of

those people who are hanging onto pictures of themselves from years

ago, not accepting where they are at now which is what I would

probably do!

> >

> >

> >

> > Crayfish,

> > That's hot--got any pics?

> > tb

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> *~ Siemens~*

>

> Mama to 3 wonderful blessings, Married to 1 wonderful man!

>

> No fear, only faith; no guilt, only grace; no pride, only praise;

no claim,

> only Christ

>

>

[Guest guest]

You sound very disciplined, so I think the weight will come off, know

that. The reason why is b/c I swear the body knows when you are

trying to lose the ten lbs that will make you so happy and it holds

onto them and then when you are not trying so hard, it comes off.

Sorry to get a little metaphysical but maybe it breaks down into not

releasing cortisol from stressing out.

When I lived in Spain I walked everywhere (like it would add up to

two hours but throughout the day) and I got really, really skinny

eating Mcs every day (this was before weston price) and when I

came back I suggested to my clients to walk not once a day but go for

multiple times throughout the day i.e. two fifteen minute walks.

There was just something that made sense about it to me and lo and

behold a book came out months later called The Spark that gave the

physiology behind this very suggestion. Maybe that could help you.

Also doing different cardio stuff along with the weights, like

swimming one day, biking another, rebounding another being super

careful not to over train. That helps a lot of people.

>

> Alright,i have been trying like heck to follow the south beach

> program..Itried the atkins for a week and the bowels just weren't

flowin properly,which is

> completely against my religion..so now the SB diet...Two years ago

i find out I

> am Celiac,so I quit eating all the stuff necessary and have always

been quite

> organic and avoided all the yuck foods for the most part..And now

with and

> extra 10 pounds,I cannot fit into my clothes,so rather than buy all

new duds..I

> am gonna lose this weight!HA!.So Atkins for a week,now I started

the Sb for a

> week and was doing great( lost 7 pounds) and then Easter hit,So for

that

> evening I left the plan and ate the wrong foods even for a Celiac

and now since

> Monday, I am back on track and starving again..I wanted to attack

the

> strawberries in the frig and eat a bowl of rice cereal so bad this

morning.But,being the

> stick to it girl i am eating organic eggs with feta,tomatoes and

> spinach..AAAAAAHH!..So HELP..I walk and work out with weights,but

am just so frustrated at

> this point I would love anothers opinion..Anyone for a challenge?Dee

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

.... I don't want to be one of

> those people who are hanging onto pictures of themselves from years

> ago, not accepting where they are at now which is what I would

> probably do!

Shine the mirror up, baby. You're lovely.

tb

[Guest guest]

>

And now with and

> extra 10 pounds,I cannot fit into my clothes,so rather than buy all

new duds..I

> am gonna lose this weight!HA!.>

>

Hi Dee! The concept of balance is something I'm trying to attain in my

own life (I've been underweight) along with eating a WAP diet for

health. You might want to check out two excellent books: " The Body

Myth " by Margo Maine and " Women Afraid to Eat " by Francie Berg.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

I am sure it's our eyes that causing balance problem, have you tried

standing without holding on to something and close your eyes? you'll

start to lean over and lose balance without knowing it. I get bad

balance and fall while walking in dark room or outside even with eyes

open.

Dennis

P.S. it was your brothers post I heard about your bday

[Guest guest]

My impression is that my very poor balance is caused by the atrophy of muscles,

especially in my feet. The muscles in my feet are just about gone, so I feel

like I'm walking on bones, which don't provide a firm platform to stand on, so

I'm easily thrown " off balance " . And having inadequate muscles in my ankles

means I can easily turn my ankle and go down. AFOs help, but I still have to

watch every step with great care. Of course with eyes closed, I have no visual

clues to help me remain upright.

Ruth

[Guest guest]

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception

and

http://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/proprioception/

and

http://physicaltherapy.about.com/od/balanceexercises/Exercises_to_Improv

e_Balance.htm

[Guest guest]

Me too.....

Geri

[Guest guest]

I think the two work together. Impaired feeling (including perception

of position in space), muscle atrophy and the interplay between

vision and balance all make us a bit unsteady. I have read a few

sources that say impaired balance and hearing deficits can be part of

CMT. My dad and both sisters have hearing loss. My sisters and I all

have balance problems. Two of us were diagnosed with Meniere's

disease before I was tested for CMT. My biggest problem is " stillness

sickness " if you will. I keep moving after getting off boats, planes,

etc. Weird.

Holli

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have same problem. Hearing is excellent (sometimes too good!)

When my husband goes to sleep before me and it is dark in the room, I get very

shaky and balance is waaaay off. Also, when my son was younger I remember going

on a merry go round in the mall, and when we got off, I was so nauseous and had

to sit for an hour to regain balance. I can do rollercoasters, as long as they

don't go round and round.

I think feeling like you are still moving after getting off of planes and boats

is fairly normal, that is why they call it " sea legs " I seem to have sea legs

all the time!

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Hello,

The first time I went on a cruise ship I had a hard time walking on shore.

The sidewalks were moving up and down like waves. When I got home it took

about a week to feel normal again. Sleeping on my water bed helped.

Kay

[Guest guest]

Kay, I like that feeling though after getting off a boat. It almost makes

you " find your feet " for balance.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Read about the new shoe....ishoe 3G...look it up interesting!

Geri

[Guest guest]

Another cause for poor balance, especially among those who aren't young, is

poor muscle tone. When muscles become weaker, we have more trouble keeping our

balance. Strong muscles are more likely to do this without our making any

conscious effort. Physical trainers often emphasize developing muscles

specifically for balance.

Harper

In a message dated 7/27/08 12:12:55 PM, reading_mother@... writes:

>

> I just read the list of meds from your post and I was amazed at how many of

> them I take. I have had trouble with balance for years but it is getting a

> lot worse recently. I will have to talk to my doctor about some of the meds I

> am taking when I see her on Friday.

> Thanks for the information it was informative not only to me but also to my

> mom. She takes some of these meds and it would explain why she sometimes has

> trouble.

>

> the WV hillbilly

>

>

>

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Ed in Kingston Tennessee,

Sorry to hear about the job situation. Hope thing pick up soon. Meanwhile with

all the time you have, you might want to meet with a physical therapist who may

be able to provide you with some exercises to help with balance, coordination,

etc. The ones I do in aquatics are a combination of hand/eye tracking with a

foam float and martial arts hand/arm/body positioning, believe it or not!

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

To Ed in TN.

My balance was terrible and I was falling a lot until, on the advice of my

Neurologist, I started to take Alpha Lipoic Acid capsules. I take 600 mg. a

day. I feel this has definitely helped because I haven't fallen in the last

three 6 years. I use a cane when I am out of the house - in the house I " wall

surf " . I also use a rollerator when I go to malls etc (more stability than a

cane). Check with your Dr. about the Alpha Lipoic Acid. Definitely works for

me.

June in Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed,

Pilates has helped me enormously with balance! The trick is to find a pilates

trainer who is also a physicl therapist so they don't work you in the wrong way.

Good luck

Penny

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed,

Try Vitamin C and Citicoline. My balance is awful and without vitamin C,or

Citicoline it's worse.