Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 I thought this was really wonderful. It is something for all of us to think about. So often we are consumed with negative feelings about someone and it may be part of what is keeping you from having what you want and need for yourselves. Try to think of how each thought you have is really affecting your life. Are you building fences or bridges? I care about you very much and I want you to be as happy as possible. You will find that the bridges you build in life may take you to the place where you can find the answers to your own questions. You never know who may be on the other side, waiting to help you reach your goals. Take care, Rashelle Once upon a time two brothers who lived on > > adjoining farms > > > fell into conflict. It was the first serious rift > > in 40 years of farming > > > side by side, sharing machinery, and trading labor > > and goods as > > > needed without a hitch. Then the long > > collaboration fell apart. It > > > began with a small misunderstanding and it grew > > into a major > > > difference, and finally it exploded into an > > exchange of bitter words > > > followed by weeks of silence. > > > > > > One morning there was a knock on 's door. He > > opened it to > > > find a man with a carpenter's toolbox. " I'm > > looking for a few days > > > work " he said. " Perhaps you would have a few small > > jobs here > > > and there. Could I help you? " > > > > > > " Yes, " said the older brother. " I do have a job > > for you. Look across > > > the creek at that farm. That's my neighbor, in > > fact, it's my younger > > > brother. Last week there was a meadow between us > > and he took > > > his bulldozer to the river levee and now there is > > a creek between us. > > > Well, he may have done this to spite me, but I'll > > go him one better. > > > See that pile of lumber curing by the barn? I want > > you to build me > > > a fence -- an 8-foot fence -- so I won't need to > > see his place anymore. > > > Cool him down, anyhow. " > > > > > > The carpenter said, " I think I understand the > > situation. Show me the > > > nails and the post-hole digger and I'll be able to > > do a job that pleases > > > you. " > > > > > > The older brother had to go to town for supplies, > > so he helped the > > > carpenter get the materials ready and then he was > > off for the day. > > > > > > The carpenter worked hard all that day measuring, > > sawing, nailing. > > > > > > About sunset when the farmer returned, the > > carpenter had just finished > > > his job. > > > > > > The farmer's eyes opened wide, his jaw dropped. > > > > > > There was no fence there at all. It was a bridge > > -- a bridge stretching > > > from one side of the creek to the other! A fine > > piece of work handrails > > > and all -- and the neighbor, his younger brother, > > was coming across, > > > his hand outstretched. > > > > > > " You are quite a fellow to build this bridge after > > all I've said and > > done. " > > > > > > The two brothers stood at each end of the bridge, > > and then they met in > > > the middle, taking each other's hand. They turned > > to see the carpenter > > > hoist his toolbox on his shoulder. " No, wait! Stay > > a few days. I've a lot > > > of other projects for you, " said the older > > brother. > > > > > > " I'd love to stay on, " the carpenter said, " but, I > > have many more bridges > > > to build. " > > > > > > Author unknown > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 Amen sister! God bless, Bonnie ***************************With God, ALL things are possible*************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 What an inspiring story! Thanks for sharing. Fw: ForgivenessFrom: " Rashelle Haines " <rashelle@...> I thought this was really wonderful. It is something for all of us to thinkabout. So often we are consumed with negative feelings about someone and itmay be part of what is keeping you from having what you want and need foryourselves. Try to think of how each thought you have is really affectingyour life. Are you building fences or bridges?I care about you very much and I want you to be as happy as possible. Youwill find that the bridges you build in life may take you to the place whereyou can find the answers to your own questions. You never know who may be onthe other side, waiting to help you reach your goals.Take care, RashelleOnce upon a time two brothers who lived on> > adjoining farms> > > fell into conflict. It was the first serious rift> > in 40 years of farming> > > side by side, sharing machinery, and trading labor> > and goods as> > > needed without a hitch. Then the long> > collaboration fell apart. It> > > began with a small misunderstanding and it grew> > into a major> > > difference, and finally it exploded into an> > exchange of bitter words> > > followed by weeks of silence.> > >> > > One morning there was a knock on 's door. He> > opened it to> > > find a man with a carpenter's toolbox. " I'm> > looking for a few days> > > work " he said. " Perhaps you would have a few small> > jobs here> > > and there. Could I help you? " > > >> > > " Yes, " said the older brother. " I do have a job> > for you. Look across> > > the creek at that farm. That's my neighbor, in> > fact, it's my younger> > > brother. Last week there was a meadow between us> > and he took> > > his bulldozer to the river levee and now there is> > a creek between us.> > > Well, he may have done this to spite me, but I'll> > go him one better.> > > See that pile of lumber curing by the barn? I want> > you to build me> > > a fence -- an 8-foot fence -- so I won't need to> > see his place anymore.> > > Cool him down, anyhow. " > > >> > > The carpenter said, " I think I understand the> > situation. Show me the> > > nails and the post-hole digger and I'll be able to> > do a job that pleases> > > you. " > > >> > > The older brother had to go to town for supplies,> > so he helped the> > > carpenter get the materials ready and then he was> > off for the day.> > >> > > The carpenter worked hard all that day measuring,> > sawing, nailing.> > >> > > About sunset when the farmer returned, the> > carpenter had just finished> > > his job.> > >> > > The farmer's eyes opened wide, his jaw dropped.> > >> > > There was no fence there at all. It was a bridge> > -- a bridge stretching> > > from one side of the creek to the other! A fine> > piece of work handrails> > > and all -- and the neighbor, his younger brother,> > was coming across,> > > his hand outstretched.> > >> > > " You are quite a fellow to build this bridge after> > all I've said and> > done. " > > >> > > The two brothers stood at each end of the bridge,> > and then they met in> > > the middle, taking each other's hand. They turned> > to see the carpenter> > > hoist his toolbox on his shoulder. " No, wait! Stay> > a few days. I've a lot> > > of other projects for you, " said the older> > brother.> > >> > > " I'd love to stay on, " the carpenter said, " but, I> > have many more bridges> > > to build. " > > >> > > Author unknown> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Yes...It is really hard to forgive people who have offended us in so many ways and even over so many years; but it is true that " bitterness " and " unforgiveness " have been known to even cause diseases of the heart and the stomach..The greatest teacher who ever " set foot " on this diseased planet taught us that to love one another and to forgive one another was the way to health and happiness.. melville ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] Re: Update on My Health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 Hi Mel, Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/3/forgiveness.htm God bless and kind regards, Trudy Message: 6 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:02:55 -0800 From: " Mel " <jonah@...> Subject: Re: Re: FORGIVENESS Yes...It is really hard to forgive people who have offended us in so many ways and even over so many years; but it is true that " bitterness " and " unforgiveness " have been known to even cause diseases of the heart and the stomach..The greatest teacher who ever " set foot " on this diseased planet taught us that to love one another and to forgive one another was the way to health and happiness.. melville ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 And may I add " Thankfulness " ? HELEN > Hi Mel, > > Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. > > http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/3/forgiveness.htm > > God bless and kind regards, > Trudy > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:02:55 -0800 > From: " Mel " <jonah@n...> > Subject: Re: Re: FORGIVENESS > > Yes...It is really hard to forgive people who have offended us in so many ways and even over so many years; but it is true that " bitterness " and " unforgiveness " have been known to even cause diseases of the heart and the stomach..The greatest teacher who ever " set foot " on this diseased planet taught us that to love one another and to forgive one another was the way to health and happiness.. > melville ;-) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 LXXXIV Indeed, indeed, Repentance oft before I swore -- but was I sober when I swore? And then, and then came Spring, and Rose-in-hand My thread-bare Penitence apieces tore Entire poem at <http://www.nccabq.com/~neil/rubaiyat.html> On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 03:01 AM, Trudy Newman wrote: > Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 LIII I sent my Soul through the Invisible, Some letter of that After-life to spell: And after many days my Soul return'd And said, " Behold, Myself am Heav'n and Hell. " LIV Heav'n but the Vision of fulfill'd Desire, And Hell the Shadow of a Soul on fire, Cast on the Darkness into which Ourselves, So late emerg'd from, shall so soon expire. LV While the Rose blows along the River Brink, With old Khayyam and ruby vintage drink: And when the Angel with his darker Draught Draws up to Thee -- take that, and do not shrink. LVI And fear not lest Existence closing your Account, should lose, or know the type no more; The Eternal Saki from the Bowl has pour'd Millions of Bubbles like us, and will pour. LVII When You and I behind the Veil are past, Oh but the long long while the World shall last, Which of our Coming and Departure heeds As much as Ocean of a pebble-cast. LVIII 'Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays: Hither and thither moves, and mates, and slays, And one by one back in the Closet lays. LVIX The Ball no Question makes of Ayes and Noes, But Right or Left, as strikes the Player goes; And he that toss'd Thee down into the Field, He knows about it all -- He knows -- HE knows! LX The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it Entire poem at <http://www.nccabq.com/~neil/rubaiyat.html> On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 03:21 AM, Helen wrote: > And may I add " Thankfulness " ? > > HELEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 Quuite right Trudy... mel [ ] Re: FORGIVENESS Hi Mel, Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/3/forgiveness.htm God bless and kind regards, Trudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 You certainly may.. mel ;-) [ ] Re: FORGIVENESS And may I add " Thankfulness " ? HELEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 Hi Helen, I'm confused. Are you suggesting that abused patients are to be thankful for being abused? Pam had mentioned what she has been through with the medical profession. Mel had suggested the importance of forgiveness in healing. I was simply trying to point out that the doctors also have a responsibility. There is a real problem within the medical profession of doctor error and cover-up. Doctors often refuse to take responsibility for their mistakes, and will often go to great lengths to cover-up their errors and even blame the patient. This does great damage to the sick patient. Rather than adding to a patient's suffering, doctors need to come clean on their errors and make the necessary apologies. Even God calls us to take responsibility for our sin: Repentance. Did you read the link that I sent? http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/3/forgiveness.htm I do not ascribe to Agnes' notion that a victim is responsible for the abuse that has been heaped upon them (as is taught in New Age ideology). I find this teaching of blame the victim or kick the sick very cruel. And, Neil, I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. It seems that you are always just trying to be contrary, so I won't bother even trying to understand your response. I hope the above explanation will put my previous comments in context. Kind regards, Trudy From: <http://edit./config/send_webmesg?.intl=us & .target=zhebee> " Helen " <zhebee@y... < /post?protectID=2320151922540561980150\ 97175004176063071179066034>> Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:21 am Subject: Re: FORGIVENESS And may I add " Thankfulness " ? HELEN > Hi Mel, > > Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. > > http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/3/forgiveness.htm > > God bless and kind regards, > Trudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 Right on truthful Trudy; Actually when I saw " thankfulness " ; I was thinking that we are to thank the Lord for our life and our " eventual " healing that may not be visible now; but we walk by " faith " ; believing that we shall receive the healing that we pray for.. melville ;-) MAT:021:021 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.022 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. This is basically how I pray; believing that I shall receive the healing...The " mountain " is whatever disease (like a tumour) that we might have.. I would like to note here that contrary to what a certain individual is claiming; the use of scriptures is a " known " method of healing by increasing the faith of certain readers; and not any attempt to brag about one's Christanity..Healing is what this group is all about and not talk of war of conspiracy; or of displaying poetry that makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with health; but with innefectual; pseudo intellectual diarreah.. melville ;-) Re: FORGIVENESS And may I add " Thankfulness " ? HELEN > Hi Mel, > > Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. > > http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/3/forgiveness.htm > > God bless and kind regards, > Trudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Hello Trudy First let me say that doctors are wrong to do any kind of abuse and Pam is right to expose them. I think she should put their names on this forum. About thankfulness....You said, " Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. " Someone else said that Forgiveness was important so I decided to add Thankfulness. That was really all I had in mind. I did not have in mind that Pam should be thankful for abuse.....but now you made me think about that. ) I know you are going to think I am mean to say this but yes, Pam should be thankful for the abuse (I really hate to say that knowing it will make her angry or sad but please hear me out). But it is not up to me to decide that for her. I need to take the log out of my own eye first at all times. It is only when we are " thankful...for all things " , that we can forgive and let go of the burden. Thanking God is faith in Him. Being thankful implies being happy. It is thought that our emotions dictate our physical well-being to some extent. Being thankful probably means you have forgiven whoever you need to forgive. " ALL things work together for good..... " , the Bible tells us. (emphasis mine). Where Pam is concerned, the doctors' abuse will " work together for good " (but probably not for the doctors). God said it and so it is. The " work(ing) together for good " is something to be thankful for even if we don't see it yet. I do not say this out of meanness but the opposite. And Pam will let it happen when she is ready to do that; it is not for us to push her. So let's all be thankful for everything concerning Pam until she is able to be thankful too and then we will all rejoice together. But for now it has to be you and me and anyone else. I suffer from depression from time to time, and it is only when I finally think to thank Him even for the depression, that the depression lifts. Thankfulness is such a pretty word. We are all praying for you, Pam. May God bless and heal you! HELEN > Hi Helen, > > I'm confused. Are you suggesting that abused patients are to be > thankful for being abused? > > Pam had mentioned what she has been through with the medical profession. > Mel had suggested the importance of forgiveness in healing. I was > simply trying to point out that the doctors also have a responsibility. > There is a real problem within the medical profession of doctor error > and cover-up. Doctors often refuse to take responsibility for their > mistakes, and will often go to great lengths to cover-up their errors > and even blame the patient. This does great damage to the sick patient. > Rather than adding to a patient's suffering, doctors need to come clean > on their errors and make the necessary apologies. Even God calls us to > take responsibility for our sin: Repentance. > > Did you read the link that I sent? > http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/3/forgiveness.htm > > I do not ascribe to Agnes' notion that a victim is responsible for the > abuse that has been heaped upon them (as is taught in New Age ideology). > I find this teaching of blame the victim or kick the sick very cruel. > > And, Neil, I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. It seems that > you are always just trying to be contrary, so I won't bother even trying > to understand your response. > > I hope the above explanation will put my previous comments in context. > > Kind regards, > Trudy > > From: > <http://edit./config/send_webmesg?.intl=us & .target=zhebee> > " Helen " <zhebee@y... > < /post? protectID=232015192254056198015097175004176063071179066034>> > > Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:21 am > Subject: Re: FORGIVENESS > > And may I add " Thankfulness " ? > > HELEN > > > Hi Mel, > > > > Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. > > > > http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/3/forgiveness.htm > > > > God bless and kind regards, > > Trudy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 Hi Helen, I really appreciate your dialoging with me on this. We are in full agreement that it is sin for doctors to abuse their power and their patients. When a doctor refuses to take responsibility for his errors through denial or cover-up it is sin, and the doctor is doing the bidding of Satan. It seems that a lot of doctors' consciences are seared and that many of them think that God will just wink at their iniquity. (That is, of course, providing the doctor even acknowledges God.) Helen, I must part company with you when you write, " Pam should be thankful for the abuse. " You are correct that I do think that it is mean. We must be careful not to call evil good, and good evil (Isaiah 5:20). First of all, we must remember that the fall was real and that evilness and sickness are consequences of our fallen condition. Christians are called to stand strong against sin and evil calling sinners to repent of their sin and to warn of the certainty of God's Judgment (Romans 2:5). Jesus Christ paid the price for our sins by His death, and sinners are called to put their faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9, I 3:18). For the believer, Jesus warned us that in this world we would have tribulation: We are encouraged to be of good cheer being mindful that He has overcome the world ( 3:16). When a brother or sister is going through fiery trials, believers must show compassion and be careful not to add to a person's sorrow (Job 6:14). Believers are called to weep with those who weep (Romans 12:15) and to bear one anothers burdens so to fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2). We are called to help and comfort those who are oppressed. When we do nothing to help the oppressed, we are joining forces with the oppressor. Because God is just, we must uphold justice. Those who are going through fiery trials need not be ashamed, because the Lord will execute righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed (Psalm 103:6). When believers face hardship and discouragement, we must not lose sight of the big picture. This life is not a Sunday School picnic, but we are involved in a spiritual war. We must remember that God is in control and that He is fighting the battle for us. When Christ returns the wicked will be punished. Until then, believers must stand strong and be faithful. The Lord will reward the faithful by letting us enter His eternal kingdom, where there will be no more death, sorrow, tears or pain. God shall wipe away all tears from our eyes (Revelation 21:4). While we are not called to be thankful for the abuse (which is evil), we can be confident that despite the abuse, all things will work together for good, to those who love God and who are called according to His purpose (Romans 8:28). It is in God's divine sovereignty, that God can use the evil actions of others to fulfill His ultimate plan, that we can give thanks. Remember how ph was hated by his brothers and sold into slavery? Through a series of events ph became the governor of Egypt and was able to save his family's life. In speaking to his brothers later, ph observed, " But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. " (Genesis 50:20) Helen, as you say, let's continue to surround Pam with our prayers. Believers are also called to pray for our enemies, so let's remember her doctors, as well. Perhaps the Lord will have mercy upon them and bring them from darkness into light. God is still in the miracle working business! ...I know, because He saved me! ;-) Your sister in Christ, Trudy Message: 19 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:17:39 -0000 From: " Helen " <zhebee@...> Subject: Re: FORGIVENESS Hello Trudy First let me say that doctors are wrong to do any kind of abuse and Pam is right to expose them. I think she should put their names on this forum. About thankfulness....You said, " Repentance of sin is also an important part of the healing process. " Someone else said that Forgiveness was important so I decided to add Thankfulness. That was really all I had in mind. I did not have in mind that Pam should be thankful for abuse.....but now you made me think about that. ) I know you are going to think I am mean to say this but yes, Pam should be thankful for the abuse (I really hate to say that knowing it will make her angry or sad but please hear me out). But it is not up to me to decide that for her. I need to take the log out of my own eye first at all times. It is only when we are " thankful...for all things " , that we can forgive and let go of the burden. Thanking God is faith in Him. Being thankful implies being happy. It is thought that our emotions dictate our physical well-being to some extent. Being thankful probably means you have forgiven whoever you need to forgive. " ALL things work together for good..... " , the Bible tells us. (emphasis mine). Where Pam is concerned, the doctors' abuse will " work together for good " (but probably not for the doctors). God said it and so it is. The " work(ing) together for good " is something to be thankful for even if we don't see it yet. I do not say this out of meanness but the opposite. And Pam will let it happen when she is ready to do that; it is not for us to push her. So let's all be thankful for everything concerning Pam until she is able to be thankful too and then we will all rejoice together. But for now it has to be you and me and anyone else. I suffer from depression from time to time, and it is only when I finally think to thank Him even for the depression, that the depression lifts. Thankfulness is such a pretty word. We are all praying for you, Pam. May God bless and heal you! HELEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 " Pam should be thankful for the abuse. " You are correct that I do think that it is mean. We must be careful not to call evil good, and good evil (Isaiah 5:20). I think she was meaning that when we see the good in the bad then the bad becomes good or something like that. Meaning that when we see that all things come from God (life or the universe or whatever you want to call it) then we can transcend the hurts more easily. For me, for instance, when I am suffering deeply over something and crying, instead of letting it turn to self-pity or negative emotion I get into that prayer space and thank God that I even have a heart that can suffer. It seems to help a lot. First of all, we must remember that the fall was real and that evilness and sickness are consequences of our fallen condition. Christians are called to stand strong against sin and evil calling sinners to repent of their sin and to warn of the certainty of God's Judgment (Romans 2:5). Jesus Christ paid the price for our sins by His death, and sinners are called to put their faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9, I 3:18). I believe there will be a day when finally all this insanity and evil will be seen for what it is. The bibles are first rate and popular slick handbooks on terrorism, explains a lot of history and current events. I almost would call the bible (old one) the original cancer, mistake, sin, evil or whatever.....and all that stands on that root rotten...Koran and new bible..... Cancer in society, separation is the sin, and bibles maximize it unfortunetly. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 Re: [ ] Re: FORGIVENESS Melville writes... I'm sorry Mark; that you feel this way..You obviously have never read the Bible in it's entirey or you'd never make statements such as this...There is the possibility that you have scanned the scriptures or as some " liberal " scholars have even attended a seminary; but because of the hardness of your heart; the eyes of your understanding have never been opened; and this accounts for your animosity towards Christianity.. <<I believe there will be a day when finally all this insanity and evil will be seen for what it is. The bibles are first rate and popular slick handbooks on terrorism, explains a lot of history and current events. I almost would call the bible (old one) the original cancer, mistake, sin, evil or whatever.....and all that stands on that root rotten...Koran and new bible..... Cancer in society, separation is the sin, and bibles maximize it unfortunetly>>. Mark It really shows your ignorance..I'm not into entering into achrimonious discussion which you and neil are trying to start; but the fact that you equate the Bible and Koran as being equal; and even implying that the " god " of the Koran and the God of the Bible are somehow the same shows that you don't know what you're talking about..Obviously your religion is somewhat the same as neil's.even though you differ..You're just another " denomination " .. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will notice that when the scriptures are used; it is in relationship to " healing " ; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- whereas your remarks are aimed at heaping coals upon a simmering hatred of Christianity which you feel because of the underlying sin in your life that causes you to flee from the light and the wrath of God to come upon your likes.. The so-called " old bible " is an accurate historical record; as is the " new " ; that shows the ongoing wickedness and sinfullness of humankind (which includes Christians) who even though they knew God; refused to give him Glory; which is what you're doing.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There's a price to pay for that; and Christ paid it.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive His forgiveness and live..If you don't repent; you and " Legion " will spend eternity in hell muttering something incoherent about nothingness..I'm not entering into anymore discussion on this issue, as I've said enough and have no need to prove myself nor my intellect..Your eternal destination is determined by your relationship with God; whether you " like " Him or not..What you and neil think of me or other Christians; means nothing..You needn't be a biblical scholar nor a cancer scientists to interpret the passage below.. PSALMS2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.010 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: BE INSTRUCTED; YE JUDGES OF THE EARTH...011 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.012 KISS THE SON, LEST HE BE ANGRY, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 You obviously have never read the Bible in it's entirey or you'd never make statements such as this...There is the possibility that you have scanned the scriptures or as some " liberal " scholars have even attended a seminary; but because of the hardness of your heart; the eyes of your understanding have never been opened; and this accounts for your animosity towards Christianity.. I was raised Jewish but turned to Christ at twenty five when I finally opened up to God. I still say the lords prayer everyday...and talk to God, my basic prayer affirmation everyday is " good things are coming in my life, God is coming in my life. " My relationship to God has nothing to do with my animosity towards Christianity....the same goes with Jesus.... It really shows your ignorance. I am glad I do not even know personally who is saying this but I am afraid for your own ignorance. Understand and believe that I have written much on these subjects and know of that which I speak. Calling me on my ignorance shows your ignorance of what I know, think and have written. .I'm not into entering into achrimonious discussion which you and neil are trying to start; I can finish it if others do not continue but the fact that you equate the Bible and Koran as being equal; and even implying that the " god " of the Koran and the God of the Bible are somehow the same THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD NO MATTER WHAT NAME YOU CALL GOD BY DON'T YOU KNOW THAT???????? So we have some religious zealots in the group. What do we do now? Anyone intersted in talking about cancer? And talking about ignorance, would you think that God is so ignorant that he can write only one or two books? You think that God is stupid or something? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 I recently came across a quote from Jack Kornfield about forgiveness. It really brought a moment of awakening to my mind, which is why it is posted on the side of my monitor now. " Forgiveness means giving up all hope of a better past. " Such a simple statement for such a complex awareness......that the hope for a better past can contaminate our now, and therefore our future. I have only recently learned EFT, but it seems a tool perfectly designed for reaching the state of having released the past. Kind Regards, Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Dear Deanna, Welcome to the discussion. This quote is a very appropriate connector to how EFT offers emotional freedom. Thanks for sharing and I am going to adopt it as well! Blessings, Nels > I recently came across a quote from Jack Kornfield about forgiveness. It > really brought a moment of awakening to my mind, which is why it is posted > on the side of my monitor now. > > " Forgiveness means giving up all hope of a better past. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Given the forgiveness discussions, over the last few days, perhaps it is synchronicity that this appear today from Steve Groodier. We sometimes really beat up on ourselves.Steve's good a good newsletter. This is YOUR LIFE SUPPORT SYSTEM, a free newsletter sharing life, love and laughter, published by Steve Goodier. http://www.lifesupportsystem.com FORGET THE DUCK! Hoefler, in his book WILL DAYLIGHT COME?, tells about two young children visiting their grandparents for the summer. ny was given his first slingshot. He practiced shooting in the woods, but missed everything he aimed at. As he returned to Grandma's back yard, however, he spied her pet duck. It wasn't the only duck she kept, but it was her favorite. On an impulse he took aim and let it fly. This time he didn't miss. His stone struck and killed the duck. The boy panicked. He didn't mean to hurt the bird -- he was even sure he'd miss! But he had killed it. His panic grew to desperation and he hid the duck in the woodpile, only to look up and see his sister. Sally had seen it all, but she said nothing to her grandparents. After lunch that day Grandma said, " Sally, let's wash the dishes. " Sally said, " ny told me he wanted to help in the kitchen today. Didn't you ny? " She whispered to him, " Remember the duck. " So ny did the dishes. Later Grandpa asked if the children wanted to go fishing. Grandma said, " I'm sorry, but I need Sally to help make supper. " Sally smiled and said, " That's all taken care of, ny wants to do it. " Again she whispered, " Remember the duck. " ny stayed while Sally went fishing. ny did both his chores and Sally's for several days, and could stand it no longer. He confessed to Grandma that he'd killed the duck. She said, " I know ny. " She gave him a big hug and added, " I was standing at the window and saw the whole thing. But because I love you, I forgave you. I just wondered how long you would let Sally make a slave of you. " His grandmother was more ready to forgive then he was even to ask for forgiveness. The arms of many people, and I believe God, are open wide, waiting for us to experience a warm embrace of acceptance. But a disturbing inner voice often whispers, " Remember the duck. Remember the duck. " Some people live their whole lives enslaved by that voice that says, " Remember the duck. " They never let themselves be forgiven! They don't know the meaning of deep peace. They are seldom free of guilt and feel as if happiness only comes to others more deserving. What does it matter if the whole world were to love us, and accept us in spite of our failings, if we persist in feeling badly? Are you sick of feeling sick about the mistakes of your past? Maybe it's time to forget the duck! After you've done all you can to rectify the past, then it's time to put it down. Forget the duck! After all...you, too, deserve to be happy. By Steve Goodier © 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 TO,mukul chaudhri "FORGIVENESS & LOVE" Sir, FORGIVENESS:- This is applied to whom 1) A person commits fraud and mischief to another person knowingly or unknowingly. Unless a human/person do not have the feeling of revenge from the person who has committed fraud/mischief, feeling of forgiveness cannot arrive. So Forgiveness is related with the revenge. If a man donot have this feeling of revenge one can not a human,ONLY GOD DONOT HAVE FEELING OF REVENGE. To have the feeling or nature of Forgiveness, God has become human several times like-RAM/KRISHNA/SAIBABA/GAUTAM BUDHA/MAHAVIR/ CHIRST/PAIGAMBER SHAEB/GURU NANAK SHAEB . Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 This brings up an interesting subject. I have often been accused by non-Aspies and Aspies alike of being able to " read their minds. " I can tell what is going on in people's minds sometimes. My mother for instance also confessed a year or two ago that she regrets some things she has done while raising us. I " knew " beforehand that she felt this way which is why I never held all the pahst against her. My sister did not " know " what I knew and so fought with my mother endlessly until my mother confessed and professed her feelings. My dad on the other hand holds no remorse for anything he has ever done to me or my sis. I have always felt this and eventually he stated this openly. Can any of the rest of you " see " the emotional/mental insides of people like I can? The down side of this is that A) Sometimes I will seem prejudicial, and People hate me when it is later proven out that my perceptions about someone turned out to be correct. Tom Administrator I went with my Mom to her Dr.'s appt yesterday and felt relief to learn that her cancer was caught very early. We sat and talked when we got back to her house about various things like we have in the past. Even though she was a tyrant when I was small and hurt all of my brothers and sisters, I always felt that honor you father and mother applied. To my surprise she began to explain her feelings of guilt for the way she treated us and said that she felt she could either continue to crucify herself mentally for the past or ask for forgiveness. Nothing but nothing could have shocked me more, not even her recent cancer diagnosis. I always thought she had no regrets for her actions and an apology would be out of the question. Never say never, there is always hope I guess, this proves it to me. Maybe a brush with death gives somes people the opportunity to say what has been in there hearts and overrules pride. Wow, what a week! Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 My Mom and I are too alike in some ways that I might have missed what was going on inside. For the most part I do read people, mostly through body language. When I was young it was cruical for survival to know when a storm was brewing and climb to the top of a tall tree...my hideaway. I mostly only can do this with people I know well but have instant inside gut feeling when it comes to news of missing persons, death etc. We've talked about dreams before and I think the subconsious can reveal alot. I wish I could read people like you..have an instict to whether their intentions were good or bad. I miss it most times but my husband has that ability and has warned me in the past. Now I know to listen to him because of the numerous occasions he's been dead on. Kim > > This brings up an interesting subject. > > I have often been accused by non-Aspies and Aspies alike of being > able to " read their minds. " > > I can tell what is going on in people's minds sometimes. My mother > for instance also confessed a year or two ago that she regrets some > things she has done while raising us. I " knew " beforehand that she > felt this way which is why I never held all the pahst against her. > > My sister did not " know " what I knew and so fought with my mother > endlessly until my mother confessed and professed her feelings. > > My dad on the other hand holds no remorse for anything he has ever > done to me or my sis. I have always felt this and eventually he > stated this openly. > > Can any of the rest of you " see " the emotional/mental insides of > people like I can? > > The down side of this is that > > A) Sometimes I will seem prejudicial, and > People hate me when it is later proven out that my perceptions > about someone turned out to be correct. > > Tom > Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Tom wrote: > Can any of the rest of you " see " the > emotional/mental insides of > people like I can? > > The down side of this is that > > A) Sometimes I will seem prejudicial, and > People hate me when it is later proven out that > my perceptions > about someone turned out to be correct. I can sense things about some people when I am near them. A few years ago our church came under another church [but now no longer is] and the pastor would visit our church from time to time and preach. He dressed nicely and acted very polite. I instantly disliked him. I sensed he was arrogant and callous, and that he felt he was above others. Just recently I found out how true my perception of him was when my husband and I were discussing him with a pastor from another church. This pastor had also been associated with his church and they came to a parting of the ways a few years ago. We were asking the circumstances behind the split [as we were considering going to church there and wanted his side of the story], and he gave me an earful of what this man had done behind the scenes. He was worse than I thought. Yeah, sometimes I get in trouble for being able to " see " these things. Many times I would tell my husband not to trust this one or that, or I would dislike someone everyone elsed liked. This would often result in my getting accused of being paranoid and other things. Eventually I get vindicated when the person shows their true colors. Take care, Gail :-) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 It's interesting that you should bring this up as an example. My church just had an identical situation. We actually asked my pastor to leave the church because we felt he was deviating from the dictates of our denomination. I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning and was criticized for this. I did say at the time that I had never felt such negative feelings about any of our pastors before, but this comment was ignored then, and no one now remembered me making that statement. Tom Administrator Re: Re: Forgiveness I can sense things about some people when I am near them. A few years ago our church came under another church [but now no longer is] and the pastor would visit our church from time to time and preach. He dressed nicely and acted very polite. I instantly disliked him. I sensed he was arrogant and callous, and that he felt he was above others. Just recently I found out how true my perception of him was when my husband and I were discussing him with a pastor from another church. This pastor had also been associated with his church and they came to a parting of the ways a few years ago. We were asking the circumstances behind the split [as we were considering going to church there and wanted his side of the story], and he gave me an earful of what this man had done behind the scenes. He was worse than I thought. Yeah, sometimes I get in trouble for being able to " see " these things. Many times I would tell my husband not to trust this one or that, or I would dislike someone everyone elsed liked. This would often result in my getting accused of being paranoid and other things. Eventually I get vindicated when the person shows their true colors. Take care, Gail :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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