Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 At 07:40 PM 5/30/2002 -0400, you wrote: ><< What didn't ring true to me was the claim that Hawaiians were mainly >vegetarians (? with all those fish swimming around?). I sometimes wonder (if >in fact the story is true) >> >Not only fish, but I believe they're big on pork as well. Did this gentleman >you're referring to do any published studies. If the people he says were >cured of diabetes lost weight that also could account for their improvement. >Also, it the diet kept the people away from SAD food such as white flour, >sugar and bad fats, that would help a lot too. The key may be -- " traditional >diet " > >Namaste, Liz Liz: They weight (or so it is said) -- it is primarily a weight-loss diet. The diet's focus (per the book I read) was mainly to go to " low caloric-density foods " , which would be your fruits and vegies, with poi as the main starch, and protein twice a week, and no processed foods, and the foods in the book were really pretty good. He did refer to studies, but I didn't look them up. That was the book, which mentioned his work with poorer Hawaiians and the need for a cheap, healthy diet, which I also think is a great idea (except for the " organic food " part, an NT no-processed-food diet should be cheaper than most SAD diets). And he stressed that early Hawaiians were basically vegetarian. Now THAT part seems odd to me. I bought the book in paperback for not very much. But then came the " diet pack " for $125 so now I'm not sure what it's all about. Anyway, I can't go long without protein so I never tried it. But it DID get me thinking about " caloric density " and processed foods, and that was the beginning of a long journey to get rid of the processed stuff. If you are curious, one write up is at: http://kalama.doe.hawaii.edu/~normanc/wcchc/diet/diet.html And a comment on it: http://starbulletin.com/97/01/22/news/kokualine.html To quote part of it: Reversal of serious illness and weight loss without limiting calories was demonstrated by a non-calorie restricted traditional Hawaiian diet at the Waianae Coast Comprehensive Health Center in Hawaii. An average weight loss of 17.1 pounds per person was noted along with reversal heart disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes in a study involving 19 Native-Hawaiian adults over a period of just three weeks. This was even more remarkable because Hawaiians have among the highest rates of obesity and death from these diseases in the nation. The results of this study was published in the world's leading nutrition journal, the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, by Terry Shintani, M.D., M.P.H., Hawaiian nutritionist , M.S., R.D., Helen Kanawaliwali O'Connor, C.H.W., and Sheila Beckham, M.P.H., R.D.C. in the June 1991 edition. In this program, known as the Waianae Diet Program (WDP), Native-Hawaiians were placed on a diet consisting of exclusively Native-Hawaiian foods (available before Western contact) for a period of 21 days. They were allowed to eat as much as they wanted with the exception of some restriction on the quantity of animal protein. Results indicated an average weight loss of 17.1 pounds over 21 days. In addition, cholesterol fell 14.1% from an average of 222.3 mg/dl to an average of 191 mg/dl, with a slight improvement in HDL to cholesterol ration. Triglycerides, a risk factor for heart disease improved as well, falling from an average of 211.3 to 163 mg/dl. Blood sugar control improved in all seven individuals with diabetes on the program with the overall blood sugar level decreasing from 161.9 to 123.4 mg/dl. One individual who was on 60 units of insulin per day no longer needs any diabetes medication one year later. There was no increase in exercise on the program and analysis of ! the intake revealed that the participants ate more food on the diet but ingested fewer calories. Composition of the diet The Waianae Diet was intended to reflect what Hawaiians ate in ancient times. It was very low in fat (7-12%), high in starches (75-80%) and moderate in protein (12-15%). This is in sharp contrast to the high fat Standard American Diet. The S.A.D. has 400% more fat than the Hawaiian diet. Is it any wonder that high fat diets make high fat people? ============= 12-15% protein seems higher than what I read in the book, unless they were using soy protein (which doesn't strike me as very native). Also I'd think that native Hawaiians would be eating a lot of coconut, which isn't very low fat. Here is part of what I keep thinking about: The Hawaiians, and the Native Americans, and the Samoans, and the Africans, have all done extremely poorly when exposed to the SAD diet, as the website points out. Their rates of obesity and diabetes are even worse than the average Americans. But somehow the Asians that have migrated here seem to be doing ok. Is it because they stick more to their original diets? I've known 2nd and 3rd generation Japanese and Koreans and Chinese and they were all in much better shape than the Northern European stock (and seemingly never on a diet). But I can't say that they were avoiding junk food either. It's a mystery ... maybe because the Asian diet has included a lot of starch for a long time and they handle it better? Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 > ><< What didn't ring true to me was the claim that Hawaiians were mainly > >vegetarians (? with all those fish swimming around?). I sometimes wonder (if > >in fact the story is true) >> > >Not only fish, but I believe they're big on pork as well. Did this gentleman > >you're referring to do any published studies. If the people he says were > >cured of diabetes lost weight that also could account for their improvement. > >Also, it the diet kept the people away from SAD food such as white flour, > >sugar and bad fats, that would help a lot too. The key may be -- " traditional > >diet " > > > >Namaste, Liz > > Liz: > > They weight (or so it is said) -- it is primarily a weight-loss diet. The diet's focus (per the book I read) was mainly to go to " low caloric-density foods " , which would be your fruits and vegies, with poi as the main starch, and protein twice a week, and no processed foods, and the foods in the book were really pretty good. He did refer to studies, but I didn't look them up. That was the book, which mentioned his work with poorer Hawaiians and the need for a cheap, healthy diet, which I also think is a great idea (except for the " organic food " part, an NT no-processed-food diet should be cheaper than most SAD diets). > > And he stressed that early Hawaiians were basically vegetarian. Now THAT part seems odd to me. I bought the book in paperback for not very much. But then came the " diet pack " for $125 so now I'm not sure what it's all about. > > Anyway, I can't go long without protein so I never tried it. But it DID get me thinking about " caloric density " and processed foods, and that was the beginning of a long journey to get rid of the processed stuff. > > If you are curious, one write up is at: > > http://kalama.doe.hawaii.edu/~normanc/wcchc/diet/diet.html > > And a comment on it: > > http://starbulletin.com/97/01/22/news/kokualine.html > > To quote part of it: > > Reversal of serious illness and weight loss without limiting calories was demonstrated by a non-calorie restricted traditional Hawaiian diet at the Waianae Coast Comprehensive Health Center in Hawaii. An average weight loss of 17.1 pounds per person was noted along with reversal heart disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes in a study involving 19 Native-Hawaiian adults over a period of just three weeks. This was even more remarkable because Hawaiians have among the highest rates of obesity and death from these diseases in the nation. The results of this study was published in the world's leading nutrition journal, the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, by Terry Shintani, M.D., M.P.H., Hawaiian nutritionist , M.S., R.D., Helen Kanawaliwali O'Connor, C.H.W., and Sheila Beckham, M.P.H., R.D.C. in the June 1991 edition. > > In this program, known as the Waianae Diet Program (WDP), Native- Hawaiians were placed on a diet consisting of exclusively Native- Hawaiian foods (available before Western contact) for a period of 21 days. They were allowed to eat as much as they wanted with the exception of some restriction on the quantity of animal protein. Results indicated an average weight loss of 17.1 pounds over 21 days. In addition, cholesterol fell 14.1% from an average of 222.3 mg/dl to an average of 191 mg/dl, with a slight improvement in HDL to cholesterol ration. Triglycerides, a risk factor for heart disease improved as well, falling from an average of 211.3 to 163 mg/dl. Blood sugar control improved in all seven individuals with diabetes on the program with the overall blood sugar level decreasing from 161.9 to 123.4 mg/dl. One individual who was on 60 units of insulin per day no longer needs any diabetes medication one year later. There was no increase in exercise on the program and analysis of ! > the > intake revealed that the participants ate more food on the diet but ingested fewer calories. > > Composition of the diet > > The Waianae Diet was intended to reflect what Hawaiians ate in ancient times. It was very low in fat (7-12%), high in starches (75- 80%) and moderate in protein (12-15%). This is in sharp contrast to the high fat Standard American Diet. The S.A.D. has 400% more fat than the Hawaiian diet. Is it any wonder that high fat diets make high fat people? > > ============= > > 12-15% protein seems higher than what I read in the book, unless they were using soy protein (which doesn't strike me as very native). Also I'd think that native Hawaiians would be eating a lot of coconut, which isn't very low fat. > > Here is part of what I keep thinking about: > > The Hawaiians, and the Native Americans, and the Samoans, and the Africans, have all done extremely poorly when exposed to the SAD diet, as the website points out. Their rates of obesity and diabetes are even worse than the average Americans. But somehow the Asians that have migrated here seem to be doing ok. Is it because they stick more to their original diets? I've known 2nd and 3rd generation Japanese and Koreans and Chinese and they were all in much better shape than the Northern European stock (and seemingly never on a diet). But I can't say that they were avoiding junk food either. It's a mystery ... maybe because the Asian diet has included a lot of starch for a long time and they handle it better? > > > > Heidi Schuppenhauer > Trillium Custom Software Inc. > heidis@t... Hi Heidi, The Asian peoples have a longer intestinal tract which helps them to digest the starchs. I read this in NT. Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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