Re: Silver Toxicity - How much is harmful?

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Food From Afar wrote:

> I, personally, do not use colloidal silver at this time though I am not yet

> 100% opposed to its use. The idea of purposefully ingesting heavy metals

> doesn't appeal to me.

>

> ine in SC

Then I guess you avoid supplements and foods that contain copper, zinc, iron,

chromium, etc. They are also called heavy metals.

Roman

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Heavy metals in organic foods I don't mind at all. I believe God put them

in there for a reason. Love that chromium in green bell peppers! The

few micrograms of heavy metals in multivitamins, which all fall well below

the RDA, also don't bother me as much. However, ingesting large volumes of

any material that can be stored in our bodies to toxic levels without a

quantitative measure of what is actually being ingested gives me room for

pause. The only supplement I've used in excessive amounts is Liquid Liver

Extract from Enzymatic Therapies to up my iron during pregnancy so we could

continue with our midwife and homebirth plans. None of the herbal iron

preparations helped at all and I didn't know about NT and the liver shakes

and stuff back then. I do have a local source for grassfed beef liver, so

that will come in handy if I ever am blessed again. Kind of doubtful though

since I am almost 43, my youngest is over 2, and there is no sign of another

pregnancy. Maybe after I'm really past my childbearing years, the idea

of CS won't phase me as much.

ine in SC

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--- In @y..., " Food From Afar " <foodfromafar@c...>

wrote:

> Heavy metals in organic foods I don't mind at all. I believe God

put them

> in there for a reason.

Maybe after I'm really past my childbearing years, the idea

> of CS won't phase me as much.

>

> ine in SC

****i'm no scientist but i think your mistaken about CS - it's NOT a

heavy metal. i know of people who put it in their pet's water daily,

treat numerous health issues with it and have absolutely no problem.

there are lots and lots of folks in the pet holistic health community

who use true *colloidal* silver liberally with their pets and report

numerous benefits. these are people who've researched it quite

thoroughly, know the difference between *silver* and *colloidal

silver* and make their own CS. i use it from time to time with my dog

who get's mucousy. it usually clears up within a few days of giving

her CS.

Silver, btw, can cause argryia, but there is no evidence that

*colloidal silver* has done this, from what i've read. and i

certainly don't believe that Rosemary s actually took

*colloidal* silver, but rather silver.

suze

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Food From Afar wrote:

> Any discussion on silver ingestion toxicity would be incomplete without

> including the URL to Rosemary s website. Rosemary has argyria from

> using silver nosedrops for several years back in the early 1950s. She

> presents the " other side " of the story.

> http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

>

Those who have studies the use of colloidal silver are of an opinion that

there's absolutely no evidence that electrically produced, uncontaminated

colloidal silver is toxic to us in any way. All negative side effects reported

have been caused by various silver comounds, not true colloidal silver.

Roman

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Hi, Suze!

To me, silver is silver whether in colloidal state or not. The chemical

composition doesn't change - it's just molecules of silver either way. I

posted an article that listed 3 recent cases caused by modern CS products.

One was listed as containing the silver protein, but I believe the others

were just two of the many brands of CS that were sold. I really think these

folks took way too much CS than they should have and it was probably

formulated incorrectly and that's why they got argyria. However, you know

how people are - if a little bit is good, a lot is better - and I believe

people ought to know if there are risks associated with any treatment

natural or otherwise. Many CS sellers say there are absolutely no side

effects and to prove their point they all quote parts of the same article

over and over saying there are no modern cases of argyria linked to CS use.

Of course, since CS has only been a health food fad for about a decade or

less, I believe cases of silver accumulated over time and manifested as

argyria may just now be beginning to show up. Some people just get gray

gingiva or gray nail beds and may not evem recognize it as localized

argyria.

I know Rosemary s didn't take a modern CS product which are probably a

lot safer than what she took. The silver nosedrops probably had a much

higher concentration and were possibly even a silver salt which is even more

toxic. However, having lived a life completely altered by her use of silver

nose drops for just 3 years, I can understand why she would want to warn

others of this possible side effect of silver accumulation regardless of the

source of the silver they were taking. I do believe Rosemary s is a

real person.

I think Dr. Bruce Marx, N.D., who is a proponent of CS use, is correct that

true scientific research needs to be done to establish parameters for CS

use. http://www.silverfacts.org/pages/marx.html

I know for some the small risk of acquiring argyria may be worth the

benefits they obtain from CS use. I was reading a testimony by a woman with

chronic Lyme disease which antibiotics wasn't touching. The only way she

can stay mostly symptom free is to use CS in a daily maintenance dose and

take more if she has any flare up. She may not mind possibly turning gray

in 5 or 10 years as long as she remains able to function relatively

normally. Another good use of CS may be in the treatment of the

" superbugs " - strains of antibiotic resistant bacterias - developing today.

I personally would rather be alive and gray from CS treatment than die from

an infection with an antibiotic resistant bacteria like MRSA:

methicillin/oxacillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus, VRE:

vancomycin-resistant enterococci, ESBLs - extended-spectrum beta-lactamases

(which are resistant to cephalosporins and monobactams) or PRSP -

penicillin-resistant Streptococcus pneumoniae or even worse, food-borne

antibiotic resistant bugs like Salmonella or E. coli. That's why the FDA is

finally slowly creeping in the direction to get antibiotics out of animal

feed.

The Rise of Antibiotic-Resistant Infections by Ricki , Ph.D.

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/795_antibio.html

Well, I'm off on another rabbit trail.... ine in SC