Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 At 07:30 PM 5/30/2002 -0400, you wrote: >So, so right! I'm a graduate student in nutrition at a school with an ADA >approved curriculum and at pot lucks, most of the people bring some sort of >concoction made with white flour, hydrogenated fat, and sugar -- I kid you >not. These are dietitians who earn money giving sick people advice on how to >eat!! Liz: My son is tube fed, and the (very expensive) canned formula the dieticians prescribed for him was made of canola oil, Karo syrup, and soy powder. I kid you not: that's what they consider to be a good diet -- no fiber, no live food, no antioxidants except a few vitamins. I make up my own now, in the blender, and it's far from perfect (it's hard to get that many calories in the amount of volume he can tolerate). But when we go to the hospital for some work-up or the other, the docs recognize our name -- " Oh, you are the people that do the thing with the rice! " . Apparently, for all the tube-feeding they deal with, NO ONE questions the dieticians or the formula or tries to feed the kids " real food " . Anyway, he's getting coconut oil and probiotics now and his constant nasal problems just cleared right up. Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Are you making the infant formula described in NT? I need to supplement and am using a lact-aid so I need a formula that won't clog the tubes. Do you melt the coconut oil before blending it? Does it clump at all? Astrid ----- Original Message ----- From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> < > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:49 PM Subject: Re: diabetes epidemic > At 07:30 PM 5/30/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >So, so right! I'm a graduate student in nutrition at a school with an ADA > >approved curriculum and at pot lucks, most of the people bring some sort of > >concoction made with white flour, hydrogenated fat, and sugar -- I kid you > >not. These are dietitians who earn money giving sick people advice on how to > >eat!! > > Liz: > > My son is tube fed, and the (very expensive) canned formula the dieticians prescribed for him was made of canola oil, Karo syrup, and soy powder. I kid you not: that's what they consider to be a good diet -- no fiber, no live food, no antioxidants except a few vitamins. I make up my own now, in the blender, and it's far from perfect (it's hard to get that many calories in the amount of volume he can tolerate). But when we go to the hospital for some work-up or the other, the docs recognize our name -- " Oh, you are the people that do the thing with the rice! " . Apparently, for all the tube-feeding they deal with, NO ONE questions the dieticians or the formula or tries to feed the kids " real food " . > > Anyway, he's getting coconut oil and probiotics now and his constant nasal problems just cleared right up. > > > > Heidi Schuppenhauer > Trillium Custom Software Inc. > heidis@... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 At 10:48 AM 5/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Are you making the infant formula described in NT? I need to supplement and >am using a lact-aid so I need a formula that won't clog the tubes. Do you >melt the coconut oil before blending it? Does it clump at all? >Astrid 1. I don't make the formula in NT. For one thing, he's not a baby at this point (he's 5). Also, caloric intake is an issue as he doesn't gain weight easily and can't have much volume. And, the doctors were concerned about the digestibility of foods (he throws up easily). And, I didn't discover NT until we had already been making formula. But it's impacted our choices, esp. in adding Coconut oil. He was on " microlipids " , which are easily-digestible fats, but I substituted coconut oil and it works great. He's had no sign of digestive upset, in fact, he's been much more stable. 2. It's still in process. I'm trying to start adding real meat (we are now, hamburger at this point. Liver would be a good option, but I'm not sure how much I really want to give a little kid, since too much iron can be an issue for youngsters). 3. The only way I've been able to blend it is in a Vitamix, and going for a LONG time. I use rice, flax, coconut, coconut oil, vitamins, bananas and other fruit, sodium/potassium salt, calcium. And some sort of sugar and protein (that's what we are experimenting with). It's not ideal, but he's doing ok. I figured most people do ok on rice (See, , I'm really not a grain hater in general), meat might be a little hard to digest since he never had it. He's allergic to eggs and didn't do well with dairy, but I've been trying yogurt and that seems ok. It doesn't clump: if you run the Vitamix long enough it homogenizes into a kind of thick cream (I made some with a little more sweet and made ice cream out of it, came out pretty good!). Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Dear Liz, Keep it up. I'm afraid dietetics students, and teachers, and dietitians, are a timid lot, who find it hard to go against the grain. The proprietor of our local Health Food Market is very much into Nourishing Traditions, and she told me ( a retired dietitian) that several dietitians have told her they are sympathetic to the ideas in NT, but they don't dare say anything for fear of losing their jobs. I hope you can keep up with the presentations to your classmates. You may have more influence that you'll ever know. Where are you going to school? Peace, Kris , gardening in northwest Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ecmillerreid@...> < > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 7:30 PM Subject: diabetes epidemic > > In a message dated 5/30/02 12:22:57 AM, > writes: > > << I'm more optimistic. Atkins and most other popular low- or > moderate-carbohydrate diets aren't optimal, but there's no denying that they > work. People who have tried and failed at dozens of low-fat diets are > finding that they can keep the weight off with low-carbohydrate diets and be > healthier than they've ever been in their adult lives. The " experts " will > begin finding more and more that their vague threats of long-term kidney > damage, osteoperosis, heart disease, and their various and sundry other > bugbears just can't compare with a friend or relative who managed to lose > 100 pounds and keep it off with Atkins or Sugar-Busters or what-have-you. In > the end, the people's supposedly reckless disregard for the " experts' " > advice regarding their long-term health in favor of looking good now--and > without eating tofu--will be their salvation. >> > > I sure hope you're right that people will catch on --but the numbers are not > encouraging. Perhaps we need to get louder and more aggressive in our > approach. > > As they say, old scientists don't accept new theories--they just die and get > replaced by those who never learned the old theories. If they're taking > their own dietary advice, we won't have long to wait. > > So, so right! I'm a graduate student in nutrition at a school with an ADA > approved curriculum and at pot lucks, most of the people bring some sort of > concoction made with white flour, hydrogenated fat, and sugar -- I kid you > not. These are dietitians who earn money giving sick people advice on how to > eat!! (By the way, I told my department in no unceertain terms, I had no > desire to be an RD.) I did a presentation on the benefits of coconut > recently. I passed round some samples and my professor pushed the plate away > as if I had handed her poison -- I had to continually remind my fellow > students that millions of folks eat coconut everyday and not only do they not > keep over and die, but are actually healthier. But you could clearly see the > hesitation and fear in their faces as they nimbled on all that 'nasty' > saturated fat. These people are not ready for Sally, that's for sure. I'm > beginning to wonder if having initials after my name is worth it. > > Namaste, Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 At 11:03 PM 6/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Liz, > >Keep it up. I'm afraid dietetics students, and teachers, and dietitians, are >a timid lot, who find it hard to go against the grain. The proprietor of our >local Health Food Market is very much into Nourishing Traditions, and she >told me ( a retired dietitian) that several dietitians have told her they >are sympathetic to the ideas in NT, but they don't dare say anything for >fear of losing their jobs. I hope you can keep up with the presentations to >your classmates. You may have more influence that you'll ever know. Where >are you going to school? > >Peace, >Kris , gardening in northwest Ohio It is almost like the story of the Emperor's New Clothes. (by Hans Christian ) One of these will there be a sudden collapse, sort of a Berlin Wall of Politically Correct Nutrition coming down? I was on a follow up visit for my cataract surgery at the eye center at a major university medical school just two weeks ago. My doctor is on maternity leave. This new young doctor said to me: " Gee you are so young to have a cataracts. " I said: " yes, can you explain that? He said: " Well it just happens to some people. I said: " sure, full time life guards, tug boat captains, outdoor workers, anyone with a lot of sun exposure. But I've worked in an office for 20 years. I don't even have a window. I had one doctor at another place tell me that just 10 to 15 years ago cataracts in people my age was extremely rare, but now there is a very big increase in young people, some as young as 30 getting cataracts. " The he said: " Well, maybe it was something in your diet. " Then I said: " Yah, you are killing people with those low fat diets. " Doctor: Nervous quiet laughter, almost like he was bitting his tongue not to say anything. If you never heard the story of the Emperor's New Clothes click here: http://www.deoxy.org/emperors.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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