acid/alkali balance, was Lots of calcium, was Re: leg cramps

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

>They basically say that low-level acidosis

>is a BIG problem and makes for sickly animals, not to the point they die,

>but they get health problems. And the diet they are feeding the cows is

>pretty much what Americans like to eat.

Yes, but the problem of acidosis in meat cattle is quite different from

whatever acid/alkaline issue there may be in humans. Grains upset the

fermentative bacteria in cows' digestive tracts. We have completely

different digestive systems, and while I'd say people should avoid grains

as much as possible (and pre-treat them optimally whenever it's absolutely

necessary to rely on them) it's not for the same reasons. So I wouldn't

assume that the problem of grain-caused acidosis in cows means we humans

have a similar problem, let alone that we need to address it similarly.

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[Guest guest]

At 05:31 PM 5/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Yes, but the problem of acidosis in meat cattle is quite different from

>whatever acid/alkaline issue there may be in humans. Grains upset the

>fermentative bacteria in cows' digestive tracts. We have completely

>different digestive systems, and while I'd say people should avoid grains

>as much as possible (and pre-treat them optimally whenever it's absolutely

>necessary to rely on them) it's not for the same reasons. So I wouldn't

>assume that the problem of grain-caused acidosis in cows means we humans

>have a similar problem, let alone that we need to address it similarly.

>

>

>-

I agree we shouldn't rely on the connection, cows ARE obviously different.

But it's intriguing. For one thing, the symptoms of cow acidosis are a lot

like the ones I get if I eat too many grains of any type. For another

thing, a lot of people are saying there is a bacterial problem with people

eating too many grains -- and the acid/base people are saying that grains

cause human blood to go acid. I don't think it's exactly the SAME problem,

but there may be a parallel: humans eat too much grain, they get too many

of the wrong bacteria, and they get acid blood: the same issues, probably

different mechanisms?

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

I've been trying to find out about the urine and saliva ph testing so I can

follow your conversations but I can't seem to find it on the link below?

I'd like to test for calcium but am not sure how.

Astrid

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Subject: acid/alkali balance, was Lots of calcium, was

Re: leg cramps

> LOL Sheila! I think you mean me, not Larry!

>

> I am not convinced about the acid/alkali business being necessary

> for optimum health either. I really do believe our bodies are

> marvelous systems of interrelated systems, themselves based on

> more inscrutable systems.

>

> On the other hand I love messing around with stuff. Hey, I

> think I came to this planet for the entertainment anyway!

>

> The acid/alkali thing did impress me, like I said, when I got

> heat stroke and my urine ph went off the charts on the acid side.

> I felt poorly for days till I got normal again, and come to

> think of it I think I got a leg cramp one of those nights!

>

> Over the years I have run across all sorts of stuff about the

> acid/alkali biz and health. Some of it makes sense but some

> of it doesn't, like acid fruits such as lemons having an alkali

> reaction in the body. That sounds like an overgeneralization to

> me.

>

> On the other hand I do suspect that one author might be right

> in claiming that our bodies use PH differences across different

> membranes to get things done. One guy said that you need your

> lymph to be more alkali than the blood for some sort of reason,

> and that makes more sense to me. I consider lymph PH to be the

> same as urine PH, since urine is simply filtered lymph. Saliva

> on the other hand has a managed PH. You can observe that directly

> by holding either acid or alkali in your mouth, and see how

> your body creates saliva to balance out the PH. One of the tests

> for adequate calcium is to see if your saliva ph can get to 8.0

> when it needs to. If it cannot then sure, there is some sort

> of problem. When you are that low on calcium then your body

> simply must take it out of your bones. That makes sense to me.

>

> Anyway I sure am having fun taking ph readings, and for the first

> time in my hopefully very long life I think I am learning something

> useful about acid/alkali stuff. There is nothing like really

> measuring numbers to provoke conversation and/or resultant action.

> As we joke around the office, " Without data, everything else is

> a guess! "

>

> Cheers!

>

> Steve

>

>

> > Hi Larry,

> > I eat a high protein diet too. I have even tried the urine and

> > saliva testing. I read about it at www.krispin.com. Krispin

> Sullivan

> > is writing a book about vitamin D, called " Naked at Noon " . It

> should

> > be is stores quite soon. Anyway I could not get my reading to be

> > alkaline either. You have shown me how to do that. It is

> interesting,

> > but I am not sure I am convinced that the acid alkaline business is

> > critical for optimal health. Are you? If so why?

> > Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Astrid!

I don't think anybody went into detail about urine or saliva

testing, but there is not much to it. Getting PH paper is the

hardest part. Once you have it you can start checking. I

don't recall any specific set of instructions but if you

are interested in Calcium you might enjoy a website,... let's

see if I can find it.

Here it is, http://www.cureamerica.net/ and the book they offer

named " The Calcium Factor " by Barefoot seemed pretty

informative to me. I think it covers a method of using PH

strips to monitor saliva and urine PH.

Steve

--- In @y..., " Astrid Froese " <astrid.froese@s...>

wrote:

> I've been trying to find out about the urine and saliva ph testing

so I can

> follow your conversations but I can't seem to find it on the link

below?

> I'd like to test for calcium but am not sure how.

> Astrid

>