Re: Re: Goatein - Thanks for answering my question about goatein

[Guest guest]

You're right, Gail. I read her stuff for years, and was sorry when I heard she

had cancer. She said at the time that she was a failure. But not entirely, by

any means. I think she just didn't understand the damage that could be done to

food thru processing.

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: gailz059

Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:02 PM

Subject: Re: Goatein - Thanks for answering my question

about goatein

Hello ,

Well I guess that is the rest of the story. I always wondered what

happened to her. Regardless, some of her insight is valuable today,

especially in comparison to " conventional medicine " insight that has

been presented to me.

Thanks,

Gail Z.

> Adelle died of cancer, so she didn't know as much as Price

did.

> As for powdered milk, NT says on page 13 that the cholesterol is

damaged in it.

> Hope this helps,

> Ed

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: gailz059

> @y...

> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:54 PM

> Subject: Goatein - Thanks for answering my

question about goatein

>

>

> Hello,

>

> Thanks to all of you for answering my question about goatein

powder.

> If anyone has read the Adelle books you might remeber her

> suggestion to mix milk and milk powder and some other things (I

can't

> remeber exactly what)together in order to creat a high nutrition

> drink. She seems to have a sensible outlook regarding nutition.

> Since she was giving advice a generation ago things may have

changed

> and her advice may be not completely accurate.

>

> The reason I was asking about the Goatein product is that my son

can't

> use cow milk, cow yogurt (with pectin anyway), cow milk solids,

> or cow casein. He can eat cow butter, goat cheese and goat yogurt

> without a problem. We tried goat milk for 5 days and it seems to

be

> causing the same problems that cow milk did. I thought we could

use

> the goatein but it does not look promising since the goat milk

seems

> to be a problem. I have called the suppliers to ask for more

detail

> about the milk proteins. Can anyone here comment on why someone

would

> be able to tolerate goat cheese and yogurt but not goat milk?

What is

> in goat milk that is not in yogurt or cheese? Is it the whey?

> Someone suggested that I try making my own goat milk kefir.

Aren't

> the kefir grains based on cow milk? And is what is kefir made of?

Is

> it mostly whey? Any insight would be appreciated!

>

> Thanks

>

> Gail Zurowski

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it sounds that this is due to high temp processing.

-susan

>

>

>

>

> > As for powdered milk, NT says on page 13 that the cholesterol is

> damaged in it.

> > Hope this helps,

> > Ed

>

[Guest guest]

Even Pasteur opposed pasteurization of milk. He heated beer and wine to kill

microbes that spoiled them, but never advocated doing this to milk.

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: gailz059

Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:39 AM

Subject: Re: Goatein - Thanks for answering my question

about goatein

Hello,

The idea of high temperature processing is interesting. I called two

sites selling the product and both suppliers suggested that

ultrapaterization of the milk might be contributing to the problem.

Every one here probably knows more about this that I do but it does

seem that high temperature processing of milk (in the microwave, under

pasterization, or elsewhere) does create problems. The milk was

Meyenburg ultrapasturized with D3 added in. It tasted good and milk

is a complete protein. I am beginning to be obsessed with milk

because it is the one complete protein that my son likes. I guess the

the yogurt and cheese are complete proteins(?) but too much cheese can

constipate. Both the cheese and the yogurt were pasterized. It seems

the issue is ultrapasterization, alteration of the casein when cheese

is made or possibly lactose in the milk. Or maybe the casein in goat

milk is too similar to that in the cow's milk. In any case thank you

all for all the detective work.

Gail Z.

> >

> > > As for powdered milk, NT says on page 13 that the cholesterol

is

> > damaged in it.

> > > Hope this helps,

> > > Ed

> >

[Guest guest]

et al-

>I'd recommend getting some lactase drops (I understand that many

>people with lactose intolerance use dropper bottles of lactase for

>treating their milk so they can tolerate it).

Regrettably, Lactase no longer makes the drops, only pills and chewable

tablets with undesirable fillers like dextrose. However, another company,

Gelda Scientific, makes an equivalent product, Lacteeze, which is available

in drop form.

The URL is http://www.gelda.com/lactorder.htm

I've heard good things about them and I just ordered some myself, but I

haven't received it yet so I can't comment on the product's quality.

-

[Guest guest]

OK, that was pretty dumb. _LactAid_ no longer makes lactase drops. They

are, however, available from Gelda Scientific as I said.

>Regrettably, Lactase no longer makes the drops, only pills and chewable

>tablets with undesirable fillers like dextrose. However, another company,

>Gelda Scientific, makes an equivalent product, Lacteeze, which is available

>in drop form.

>

>The URL is http://www.gelda.com/lactorder.htm

-

[Guest guest]

At 03:06 AM 7/19/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Hello Heidi,

>

>Thanks for the insight on probiotics and the information on how you

>addressed your daughter's problem. We also use probiotics. We also

>cut out wheat and made major dietary changes because of food

>reactions. Recently I tried the kamut brand of wheat fermented with

>yogurt as described in NT but that is the only wheat that we have had

>after a long time without wheat. I am trying to rotate kamut into the

>diet to see whether it will be tolerated. I don't know whether the

>recent exposure to kamut contributed to the problem. I will probably

>try goat milk based kefir next.

Wheat gluten is, in my research and experience, BAD NEWS. It can likely be

tolerated

in small amounts, but once you are sensitized to it, it causes some

terrible health problems.

I use sorghum for the carb-lovers in my household: it works great, tastes

great, but doesn't have

the complications.

Both of my children, (and me, and my hubby) show some mental differences

when they eat

gluten. They get more angry. I've actually found similar changes in

visitors. So I DO make

cookies, waffles, etc., but mainly with sorghum, and our life is much

calmer as a result!

> Why do you have to " sneak in " the

>kefir - does it taste bad?

My daughter claims she " doesn't like " kefir -- straight, it is pretty sour!

In a smoothie, no one

can tell the difference.

> Do you think that the combined starch and

>milk digestion requirements were too much for your daughter's body?

>What starch foods did you eliminate?

My daughter can digest ANYTHING. Even a Mc's happy meal. I used to at

her

age too! She said she got headaches from milk -- since she gets kefir now,

she has not

complained of that.

I haven't really ELIMINATED starch from her diet so much as relegated it to

a sideline.

She gets, say, a sausage for dinner, or chicken, and vegies -- if she

really is hungry

after, she can have some toast, but most folks, after a lot of protein and

good fat, just

aren't hungry.

Myself, I limit myself to 15 grams or so of unfermented carbs per meal

(about half

a potato). More than that and I get sleepy and lack energy. I don't limit

the type, per se,

but corn makes my joints ache (I still eat tacos sometimes), and gluten

makes me

very, very sick so it isn't allowed in the house.

>Thanks again to you Heidi, and to everyone else who has responded to

>my questions about goat milk.

Good luck to you! Someday we will likely get a dairy goat -- it sounds so

good ...

>Gail Z.

>

Heidi