Re: Goatein - Thanks for answering my question about goatein

[Guest guest]

Can anyone here comment on why someone would

> be able to tolerate goat cheese and yogurt but not goat milk? What

> is in goat milk that is not in yogurt or cheese? Is it the whey?

> Someone suggested that I try making my own goat milk kefir. Aren't

> the kefir grains based on cow milk? And is what is kefir made of?

> Is it mostly whey? Any insight would be appreciated!

It sounds like your son might be dealing with more than one problem:

a casein allergy (to cow's milk) as well as a possible lactose

intolerance. I would think that lactose would be the principle

difference between products like goat cheese and goat yogurt as

opposed to fresh goat milk. That would certainly complicate things

for him.

I'd recommend getting some lactase drops (I understand that many

people with lactose intolerance use dropper bottles of lactase for

treating their milk so they can tolerate it). It also comes in pill

form; use whichever form you are most comfortable with. If your son

can tolerate goat milk that has had lactase added to it, then you

pretty much know for certain that's the problem (with goat milk

anyway, cow's milk sounds like it might have been a different story).

That brings me to the second point. Kefir " grains " are made of

bacteria, yeast and a polysacharide gel that are produced by the

micro-organisms. The kefir " grains " are naturally occurring

symbiotic colonies of micro-organisms. They are made neither of milk

nor of any of milk's components. Milk sugars are one of the foods

that the kefir organisms can live on. Kefir " grains " can be used to

culture any kind of milk or even many juices, starches, or sweetened

teas.

So, yes, if your child can tolerate goat milk yogurt, kefir made from

goat milk should work fine.

Good luck!

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Thanks for answering my questions. My son loves goat milk and since

milk is a complete protein I was happy that he could drink it. Maybe

he'll like the kefir just as well.

Thanks,

Gail Zurowski

> Can anyone here comment on why someone would

> > be able to tolerate goat cheese and yogurt but not goat milk?

What

> > is in goat milk that is not in yogurt or cheese? Is it the whey?

> > Someone suggested that I try making my own goat milk kefir.

Aren't

> > the kefir grains based on cow milk? And is what is kefir made of?

> > Is it mostly whey? Any insight would be appreciated!

>

> It sounds like your son might be dealing with more than one problem:

> a casein allergy (to cow's milk) as well as a possible lactose

> intolerance. I would think that lactose would be the principle

> difference between products like goat cheese and goat yogurt as

> opposed to fresh goat milk. That would certainly complicate things

> for him.

>

> I'd recommend getting some lactase drops (I understand that many

> people with lactose intolerance use dropper bottles of lactase for

> treating their milk so they can tolerate it). It also comes in pill

> form; use whichever form you are most comfortable with. If your son

> can tolerate goat milk that has had lactase added to it, then you

> pretty much know for certain that's the problem (with goat milk

> anyway, cow's milk sounds like it might have been a different

story).

>

> That brings me to the second point. Kefir " grains " are made of

> bacteria, yeast and a polysacharide gel that are produced by the

> micro-organisms. The kefir " grains " are naturally occurring

> symbiotic colonies of micro-organisms. They are made neither of

milk

> nor of any of milk's components. Milk sugars are one of the foods

> that the kefir organisms can live on. Kefir " grains " can be used to

> culture any kind of milk or even many juices, starches, or sweetened

> teas.

>

> So, yes, if your child can tolerate goat milk yogurt, kefir made

from

> goat milk should work fine.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Adelle died of cancer, so she didn't know as much as Price did.

As for powdered milk, NT says on page 13 that the cholesterol is damaged in it.

Hope this helps,

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: gailz059

Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:54 PM

Subject: Goatein - Thanks for answering my question about

goatein

Hello,

Thanks to all of you for answering my question about goatein powder.

If anyone has read the Adelle books you might remeber her

suggestion to mix milk and milk powder and some other things (I can't

remeber exactly what)together in order to creat a high nutrition

drink. She seems to have a sensible outlook regarding nutition.

Since she was giving advice a generation ago things may have changed

and her advice may be not completely accurate.

The reason I was asking about the Goatein product is that my son can't

use cow milk, cow yogurt (with pectin anyway), cow milk solids,

or cow casein. He can eat cow butter, goat cheese and goat yogurt

without a problem. We tried goat milk for 5 days and it seems to be

causing the same problems that cow milk did. I thought we could use

the goatein but it does not look promising since the goat milk seems

to be a problem. I have called the suppliers to ask for more detail

about the milk proteins. Can anyone here comment on why someone would

be able to tolerate goat cheese and yogurt but not goat milk? What is

in goat milk that is not in yogurt or cheese? Is it the whey?

Someone suggested that I try making my own goat milk kefir. Aren't

the kefir grains based on cow milk? And is what is kefir made of? Is

it mostly whey? Any insight would be appreciated!

Thanks

Gail Zurowski

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Well I guess that is the rest of the story. I always wondered what

happened to her. Regardless, some of her insight is valuable today,

especially in comparison to " conventional medicine " insight that has

been presented to me.

Thanks,

Gail Z.

--- In @y..., " Darmohray " <edarmohray@e...>

wrote:

> Adelle died of cancer, so she didn't know as much as Price

did.

> As for powdered milk, NT says on page 13 that the cholesterol is

damaged in it.

> Hope this helps,

> Ed

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: gailz059

> @y...

> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:54 PM

> Subject: Goatein - Thanks for answering my

question about goatein

>

>

> Hello,

>

> Thanks to all of you for answering my question about goatein

powder.

> If anyone has read the Adelle books you might remeber her

> suggestion to mix milk and milk powder and some other things (I

can't

> remeber exactly what)together in order to creat a high nutrition

> drink. She seems to have a sensible outlook regarding nutition.

> Since she was giving advice a generation ago things may have

changed

> and her advice may be not completely accurate.

>

> The reason I was asking about the Goatein product is that my son

can't

> use cow milk, cow yogurt (with pectin anyway), cow milk solids,

> or cow casein. He can eat cow butter, goat cheese and goat yogurt

> without a problem. We tried goat milk for 5 days and it seems to

be

> causing the same problems that cow milk did. I thought we could

use

> the goatein but it does not look promising since the goat milk

seems

> to be a problem. I have called the suppliers to ask for more

detail

> about the milk proteins. Can anyone here comment on why someone

would

> be able to tolerate goat cheese and yogurt but not goat milk?

What is

> in goat milk that is not in yogurt or cheese? Is it the whey?

> Someone suggested that I try making my own goat milk kefir.

Aren't

> the kefir grains based on cow milk? And is what is kefir made of?

Is

> it mostly whey? Any insight would be appreciated!

>

> Thanks

>

> Gail Zurowski

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Adelle thought she got cancer from a two sets of total body x-

rays. The first set was unclear so she had the second set the same

day. Big mistake.

I do agree that her diet my not have been as good as Price's, but it

was far superior to the SAD diet of many American's. I was told she

met with Price one time. I would love to know what they discussed.

Maybe we will find out as more and more papers and information about

Price emerges and is sent to the Price-Pottenger Organization.

Adelle was far from a failure. I am sorry to hear she even felt

that way about herself. She helped a great many people regain their

health and also contributed greatly to the field of nutrition.

All my best,

Sheila

-- In @y..., " Darmohray " <edarmohray@e...>

wrote:

> You're right, Gail. I read her stuff for years, and was sorry when

I heard she had cancer. She said at the time that she was a

failure. But not entirely, by any means. I think she just didn't

understand the damage that could be done to food thru processing.

> Ed

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: gailz059

> @y...

> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:02 PM

> Subject: Re: Goatein - Thanks for answering my

question about goatein

>

>

> Hello ,

>

> Well I guess that is the rest of the story. I always wondered

what

> happened to her. Regardless, some of her insight is valuable

today,

> especially in comparison to " conventional medicine " insight that

has

> been presented to me.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Gail Z.

>

>

> > Adelle died of cancer, so she didn't know as much as

Price

> did.

> > As for powdered milk, NT says on page 13 that the cholesterol

is

> damaged in it.

> > Hope this helps,

> > Ed

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: gailz059

> > @y...

> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:54 PM

> > Subject: Goatein - Thanks for answering my

> question about goatein

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Thanks to all of you for answering my question about goatein

> powder.

> > If anyone has read the Adelle books you might remeber

her

> > suggestion to mix milk and milk powder and some other things

(I

> can't

> > remeber exactly what)together in order to creat a high

nutrition

> > drink. She seems to have a sensible outlook regarding

nutition.

> > Since she was giving advice a generation ago things may have

> changed

> > and her advice may be not completely accurate.

> >

> > The reason I was asking about the Goatein product is that my

son

> can't

> > use cow milk, cow yogurt (with pectin anyway), cow milk

solids,

> > or cow casein. He can eat cow butter, goat cheese and goat

yogurt

> > without a problem. We tried goat milk for 5 days and it

seems to

> be

> > causing the same problems that cow milk did. I thought we

could

> use

> > the goatein but it does not look promising since the goat

milk

> seems

> > to be a problem. I have called the suppliers to ask for more

> detail

> > about the milk proteins. Can anyone here comment on why

someone

> would

> > be able to tolerate goat cheese and yogurt but not goat

milk?

> What is

> > in goat milk that is not in yogurt or cheese? Is it the

whey?

> > Someone suggested that I try making my own goat milk kefir.

> Aren't

> > the kefir grains based on cow milk? And is what is kefir

made of?

> Is

> > it mostly whey? Any insight would be appreciated!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Gail Zurowski

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

The idea of high temperature processing is interesting. I called two

sites selling the product and both suppliers suggested that

ultrapaterization of the milk might be contributing to the problem.

Every one here probably knows more about this that I do but it does

seem that high temperature processing of milk (in the microwave, under

pasterization, or elsewhere) does create problems. The milk was

Meyenburg ultrapasturized with D3 added in. It tasted good and milk

is a complete protein. I am beginning to be obsessed with milk

because it is the one complete protein that my son likes. I guess the

the yogurt and cheese are complete proteins(?) but too much cheese can

constipate. Both the cheese and the yogurt were pasterized. It seems

the issue is ultrapasterization, alteration of the casein when cheese

is made or possibly lactose in the milk. Or maybe the casein in goat

milk is too similar to that in the cow's milk. In any case thank you

all for all the detective work.

Gail Z.

> >

> > > As for powdered milk, NT says on page 13 that the cholesterol

is

> > damaged in it.

> > > Hope this helps,

> > > Ed

> >