Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 we've been using it since may. i am new to nt so i can't give you an nt review but personally i like all of the 'garden of life' products. what i would say is that it does have a goaty taste and it does not dissolve as well as i would hope but we haven't tried mixing and letting it set overnight before - this might help - we've gotten use to the texture so haven't experimented:) we mix it, along w/ virgin coconut oil, into all our now 8 month olds food and into our fruit and veggie juices (side note: we use a vitamix i know there are people who have neg views on the vitamix but we love it and love having all the pulp and seeds left in our juice, we just drink it w/in 20 as vitamix recommends - as you would eat an apple). we buy ours from prohealthsolutions.com - nice people - i like buying from nice people:) sorry i can't help w/ the nt angle i've discovered it a few weeks ago anyway i hope this is helpful:) susan gailz059 wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone used the Goatein product? It is dried goat whey powder > containing several probiotic strains. I saw it mentioned favorably in > the Well Being magazine (I can't remeber the exact title but if anyone > here gets it that person would recognize the title). Can anyone > comment on his experience with this product? > > Thanks, > Gail Zurowski > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 I've been using it some this summer and have been real pleased. I have no trouble digesting it. I have had trouble with other protein products. (I've tried lots of different ones). I also read the article in Well Being. I don't know if their article was accurate or not. I'm not sure if that magazine isn't an avertising ploy for the manufactures. Goatein was very expnsive at my health food store but I found it through Swanson's vitamin catalog for much less. If you try it or find out more infor. let me know. Lynn --- gailz059 <gailz059@...> wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone used the Goatein product? It is dried > goat whey powder > containing several probiotic strains. I saw it > mentioned favorably in > the Well Being magazine (I can't remeber the exact > title but if anyone > here gets it that person would recognize the title). > Can anyone > comment on his experience with this product? > > Thanks, > Gail Zurowski > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Hi, I remember hearing Sallon Fallon, on a tape recording, say she had never seen a dried whey product that wasn't overly damaged by the heat necessary for the drying process. She said to avoid them. The same goes for powdered milk. There is probably more about this topic in Excitoxins, the Taste that Kills, by Blaylock. See the list of books at WAP web site for further details. Be well, Sheila > > Hello, > > > > Has anyone used the Goatein product? It is dried > > goat whey powder > > containing several probiotic strains. I saw it > > mentioned favorably in > > the Well Being magazine (I can't remeber the exact > > title but if anyone > > here gets it that person would recognize the title). > > Can anyone > > comment on his experience with this product? > > > > Thanks, > > Gail Zurowski > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 its states in their 'sales sheet' info that they do not use high heat and that they use a lactic acid fermentation process. -susan ps:fyi www.prohealthsolutions.com sells it for $31.47 also they give case discounts plus they have free shipping. http://gardenoflifeusa.com/literature/goateinsheet.html GOATEIN 100% Natural Goat's Milk Protein * Quality protein is necessary to sustain health and human life. * GoateinTM contains the full spectrum of amino acids including the 8 essential amino acids that the body cannot produce. * The smaller molecules of Goat¹s milk make GoateinTM more bioavailable and the composition of GoateinTM makes it similar to mother¹s milk. * GoateinTM utilizes the Poten-ZymeTM process of lactic acid fermentation to make it more bioavailable and virtually eliminate its lactose content. * GoateinTM contains powerful probiotics and enzymes to support digestive integrity and increase absorption. * GoateinTM is NOT processed by traditional methods which use high heat and/or ion exchange processing which may destroy key amino acids including Cystein (73-77%), Threonine (35-45%), Serine (18-30%), and Lysine (19-20%) * Soy protein has been under great scrutiny by researchers concerned with the large amount of GMO soy in the marketplace as well as the concern about mineral blocking phytates and thyroid-depressing phytoestrogens*. * Many whey proteins on the market are produced from milk that contains pesticide, antibiotic and hormone residues. * GoateinTM contains NO antibiotics or female growth hormones. * GoateinTM has been used by thousands of people with the following conditions: * Allergies * Compromised digestion * Nutrient deficiencies * Difficulty gaining weight * Fallon, Sally and G Enig, PhD, The Ploy of Soy, Price-Pottinger Nutrition Foundation, San Diego, CA. * Jensen, Bernard, PhD, Goat Milk Magic, Bernard Jensen International, Escondido, CA * s II, , MD, The Milk Book, Second Opinion Publishing * Mann, 1977, Atherosclerosis 26:335 * Lomaestro, Ben, PharmD and Malone, Margaret, PhD, Glutathione in Health and Disease, The ls of Pharmacotherapy, December 1995, Volume 29 h2ocolor1937 wrote: > Hi, > I remember hearing Sallon Fallon, on a tape recording, say she had > never seen a dried whey product that wasn't overly damaged by the > heat necessary for the drying process. She said to avoid them. The > same goes for powdered milk. There is probably more about this topic > in Excitoxins, the Taste that Kills, by Blaylock. See the list of > books at WAP web site for further details. > Be well, > Sheila > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 > Hi, > I remember hearing Sallon Fallon, on a tape recording, say she had > never seen a dried whey product that wasn't overly damaged by the > heat necessary for the drying process. She said to avoid them. The > same goes for powdered milk. It strikes me that a processed powder like that is out of sync with the NT philosophy of traditional unprocessed foods. If one desires probiotic whey, why not make homemade kefir instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 > Hi, > I remember hearing Sallon Fallon, on a tape recording, say she had > never seen a dried whey product that wasn't overly damaged by the > heat necessary for the drying process. Yes, and I believe in NT or on the WAPF site it says that the drying process oxidizes the cholesterol and denatures the protein, that the initial studies done showing that cholesterol in food " clogs the arteries " were done using powdered food (eggs, I believe) containing such damaged cholesterol, and the studies showing that so-called high-protein diets leach calcium from the bones were done using protein powders, not protein in its natural food form. So personally, I avoid protein or whey powders and other similar foods. I think high-quality yogurt (such as Brown Cow or Stonyfield, whole milk, no additives, no rbst, not from modern freak cows) is available just about everywhere, and good goat yogurt in many areas (several brands around here) if you have a problem with cow's milk products. You could get the same benefits from that - protein, probiotics, and no danger of the problems I mentioned above. Aubin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 > its states in their 'sales sheet' info that they do not use high heat > and that they use a lactic acid fermentation process. It does sound better than other kinds of protein or whey powders. It would be interesting to hear Sally's opinion on it. Aubin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 > http://gardenoflifeusa.com/literature/goateinsheet.html > GOATEIN 100% Natural Goat's Milk Protein .... > * Many whey proteins on the market are produced from milk that > contains pesticide, antibiotic and hormone residues. Well, regardless of what their product is actually like, they lose points for using deceiving language in their product literature. Notice that the above statement only makes a general claim about all other products. Although the implication is that their product does not contain pesticide, antibiotic and hormone residues, they clearly do not specifically state that it doesn't. I suspect there's a good reason why they didn't say that...it wouldn't be true. Nobody can claim that their product is free of such residues unless they test each batch. The fact that they've used a smear and fear tactic doesn't win any respect from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > one thing i'm not clear on is what the " smear and fear tactic " you > say they use is. > > * Many whey proteins on the market are produced from milk that > > contains pesticide, antibiotic and hormone residues. The smear that I referred to is that they used a negative statement about other products. The fear that I referred to is their inappropriate reference to the fact that other products contain pesticide residue. The fact is that unless they raise their goats in a bubble that's been sealed since prior to the sixties, their product contains pesticide residues too. There's a difference between using pesticides and having pesticide residues. Using organic products doesn't automatically get you pesticide-free products. Pesticides are ubiquitous...there's almost no living thing, for example, that doesn't contain at least some DDT. Furthermore, hormones are also present in all milk products. If they don't use synthetic hormones, then their product will have fewer hormones and those hormones will probably be in a more natural balance, but it will not be hormone free...there's no such thing as hormone free milk. So since the milk for Goatein (like all agricultural products) almost certainly contains both pesticide residues and hormones, the only part about the statement that probably isn't misleading in its implication is the part about antibiotics. So if I were going to re-write their statement for them so that it wasn't misleading, it would look like this: " Many whey proteins on the market are made from milk that was produced using pesticides, antibiotics and synthetic hormones. We use only milk that has been produced without using these chemicals. " I dislike imprecise marketing statements that use buzzwords that have more to do with creating fear about the safety of the competing product than they do with calmly and objectively stating what the *differences* between the products are and why they *might* matter. Yes, I know I'm picky! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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