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Welcome, !

I thought raw milk ( " green top " ) was widely available in the UK...please let us

know the situation.

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Hello,

I've been semi-lurking for a while now and thought I'd introduce myself. I

have *finally* managed to get hold of 'Nourishing Traditions' after getting

by just from westonaprice.com and I am absoultely dumbfounded. I cannot

believe the nutritional importance contained there in. I already feel like

an evangelist that no-one will listen to ;-) My family and friends must be

sick to death, because it is all I have talked about since buying the book

less than 2 weeks ago! I feel like my eyes have been opened (and I'm only

up to sauces!).

We are (30), Jonny(almost 30), Astrid(4) and Madeline(14months). My

interest in nutrition was awakened as a result of Astrid's illness. She has

seizures that are intractable to medication and developmental delays and in

a quest to help her through other means I came across westonaprice (thanks

to <waving>!). I have come accross lots of stuff about giving

enzymes etc. but now I see how to get them from food. I have suspected that

she was casien intolerant too and after an elimination diet her seizures

certainly improved but I really do not want to keep her off dairy so I'm

learning about culturing. I'm having real trouble locating raw milk here in

England - if there are any brits here could you please give me a shout?

A quick question about sourdough. Is it still necessary to soak the flour

or does the starter remove all the phytates?

Thanks, it's great to be here.

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> She has

> seizures that are intractable to medication and developmental delays and in

> a quest to help her through other means I came across westonaprice (thanks

> to <waving>!). I have come accross lots of stuff about giving

> enzymes etc. but now I see how to get them from food. I have suspected that

> she was casien intolerant too and after an elimination diet her seizures

> certainly improved but I really do not want to keep her off dairy so I'm

> learning about culturing.

I've read that ketogenic diets have been used for epilepsy with good results.

Maybe it would work for child's seizures too?

Roman

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Hi ,

I live in London. The only raw milk product I've been able to get so far is

cheese but a really great selection. still working on milk and yoghurt. The

big supermarkets carry things like organic Roquefort made from unpasteurised

ewes' milk, some unpasteurised Brie, Emmental etc. there are other

specialised organic supermarkets and shops here. Some of them do mail order.

You, and other interested Brits, can e-mail me off list for more details.

Check out http://www.cnwc-goats.co.uk/ . they're in Wales and do mail order.

they sell unpasteurised goats milk etc.

also check http://www.graigfarm.co.uk/Default.htm.

Dedy

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Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:11 PM

Subject: intro...

> Hello,

>

> I've been semi-lurking for a while now and thought I'd introduce myself. I

> have *finally* managed to get hold of 'Nourishing Traditions' after

getting

> by just from westonaprice.com and I am absoultely dumbfounded. I cannot

> believe the nutritional importance contained there in. I already feel like

> an evangelist that no-one will listen to ;-) My family and friends must be

> sick to death, because it is all I have talked about since buying the book

> less than 2 weeks ago! I feel like my eyes have been opened (and I'm only

> up to sauces!).

>

> We are (30), Jonny(almost 30), Astrid(4) and Madeline(14months). My

> interest in nutrition was awakened as a result of Astrid's illness. She

has

> seizures that are intractable to medication and developmental delays and

in

> a quest to help her through other means I came across westonaprice (thanks

> to <waving>!). I have come accross lots of stuff about giving

> enzymes etc. but now I see how to get them from food. I have suspected

that

> she was casien intolerant too and after an elimination diet her seizures

> certainly improved but I really do not want to keep her off dairy so I'm

> learning about culturing. I'm having real trouble locating raw milk here

in

> England - if there are any brits here could you please give me a shout?

>

> A quick question about sourdough. Is it still necessary to soak the flour

> or does the starter remove all the phytates?

>

> Thanks, it's great to be here.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Roman

We have considered the diet and are in talks with dd's neurologist about it ;-)

At 21:42 6/7/2002, you wrote:

> wrote:

>

> > She has

> > seizures that are intractable to medication and developmental delays and in

> > a quest to help her through other means I came across westonaprice (thanks

> > to <waving>!). I have come accross lots of stuff about giving

> > enzymes etc. but now I see how to get them from food. I have suspected that

> > she was casien intolerant too and after an elimination diet her seizures

> > certainly improved but I really do not want to keep her off dairy so I'm

> > learning about culturing.

>

>I've read that ketogenic diets have been used for epilepsy with good results.

>Maybe it would work for child's seizures too?

>

>Roman

>

>

>

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> When she asked why he did not like purple, he said something like

> this, " Well, let me tell you a story. A story. It begins two years

> ago. I liked purple and pink. Then yellow came. Then red, green,

> and six months ago brown took over. Two percent of my brain is with

> purple. Most of my brain is with brown. " She said based on that

> kind of speech that he might have signs of schizophrenia.

**I am thinking more that he has the signs of AS. Sounds like what my

son would say. Basically, stilted thoughts, and half conversations,

assuming that you are in his head and knows what you are thinking.

Have you heard this? It is a boy who has AS. How does your son talk?

http://www.pediatricneurology.com/aspergers_sound.htm

Does this profressional have experience with autism? It seems to me

what you are describing is VERY common.

Tina

livin' in Alphabet Soup with:

, 6, AS/HFA , anxiety

Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD

Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now

dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$

" The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the voice of

your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with

autism who has autistic children, as well

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Tina,

When my son was given his formal diagnosis they wrote that they felt

should get become more verbal they believed he would be rediagnosed as

an Aspi. I have since read that Aspi kids do not have a language

delay, which my son had. I dunno.

Those kids at the site you provided DO sound like Ethan. When Ethan is

left alone, he for the most part is not 'disorganized'. He gets funny

when people ask him emotional questions or why questions.

Thanks,

>

> **I am thinking more that he has the signs of AS. Sounds like what my

> son would say. Basically, stilted thoughts, and half conversations,

> assuming that you are in his head and knows what you are thinking.

> Have you heard this? It is a boy who has AS. How does your son

talk?

>

> http://www.pediatricneurology.com/aspergers_sound.htm

>

> Does this profressional have experience with autism? It seems to me

> what you are describing is VERY common.

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Thanks so much, Roxanna! I WILL stick around, and as far as the

therapist, I think I'll give her the boot. My DH is pursuing ST

through our insurance. I am not betting they cover this, though.

> Whether you put him in public school or not - that is your choice.

But I don't think you are putting him in a bubble except that he does

sound like he needs to continue with ST and more structured play

times. If your school has a good program, then you could go visit it

and see what you think. One thing we are putting together here is a

summer social skill group run by a ST. These kinds of things are

probably more helpful in improving social skills, IMO.

>

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Yeah, Ethan seemed to skip from trains to the calendar to Rescue

Heroes, to Harry Potter, to chess, and now to sports (9 months and

counting). The good news with this latter one is that he is learning

how to compute simple averages right now. And I can save up all his

pretend games where he keeps score and then tallies it all up

(homeschooling).

>Sasha has always fixated on bugs, especially on spiders. Now, joy of

> joy, he fixates on people -- although with meds, thankfully not as

> intensively as he did before. I though we had a little stalker on our

> hands! Eeee! Now he is fixated on Harry Potter and the Incredibles.

For a

> while there, and this was pretty creepy, he was fixated on vampires

and

> into this metamorphosis thing.

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Hi (bird :)

It was very helpful reading how Ethan's future might progress. We

have gotten so little feedback in that arena. We also have people

who overlook him as slow. My second son was reading and writing at 3

and 4 letter words at age 2.5. My second kid is also the drama

person so MUST have all attention on himself. If anybody pays

attention to my first, then he will butt in until he draws it upon

himself.

Did you have to do any meds? He is on a special diet and has been

since he was three years old, but that is our only current

intervention.

LJL

> Hi ,

>

> Welcome! I wanted to reply because my son had the speech problem

your son

> is having. When he was 6 his speech was much like your speaking

of. He is

> now 10, and he is homeschooled also. The color story you described

sounds

> much like an AS story to me. My child would say something like

that. Also,

> when my son gets excited or anxious he stutters. This happens alot

when

> he's trying to tell you something, or when he meets new people.

It's almost

> like his brain is going faster than his mouth wants to keep up

with. An

> unfortunate side effect for him is that people think he's " slow "

because he

> stutters, but he's actually very bright.

>

> I have found that my child has grown out of a lot of this behavior

that

> you're describing. I remember the time frame of 2-8 years for him

being the

> most difficult. My son used to be obsessive about the color red.

> Everything had to be red. Red is still his favorite color, but the

> obsession with it waned as new obsessions (cars, Harry Potter, etc)

came

> into play. The scenario you have described sounds alot like

Asperger

> Syndrome to me. Not all AS children fall into the

classic " symptoms " that

> some doctors still use to diagnose with. Don't hesitate to get a

2nd

> opinion.

>

>

>

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Thank you!

> , he sounds like a normal autistic child to me. What

> you describe is similar to other accounts I've read about

> austistic children (and adults.) I think you would get more

> useful help for him from a good speech therpaist than from

> that psycholigist, frankly!

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There are good days and bad days. I know his capabilities, so I don't

let him get away with the kind of manipulation he can pull with

others. An example being time. He knows the clock. If anybody asks

him questions, though, he feigns ignorance then pounds his head on the

table as if he 'should have known the right answer'. Yet, he can sit

there and tell you in one hour and 17 minutes Cyberchase is on....

> , after the day I had today, I envy you the success you are

having

> with your sons learning at home. Man, I'm not so sure about this

school

> stuff. It's really tough, and my boy is having a very hard time

socially

> right now. His friends are dropping like flies. Homeschooling is

looking

> pretty good to me right now.

I have noticed that the kids my son went 1/2 of the way through

Kindergarten with are lightyears ahead of him. They seem so much more

worldly and into things that are 'older'. Sometimes I'd like to find

some gentle kids for him to play with.

>I'd say the most effective med, the one that straightens

> his speech out the most, is Risperdal, which is an antipsychotic

> medication. Has your son's doctor mentioned anything about wanting to

try

> your son on a med and see what happens?

She did not. I am not adverse to it, but my husband is very much

against it. In the end, I usually win all medical decisions because I

have more time to research it than he does. And as long as I can spout

things out of my mouth that are above his head, he tends to go along

with it, LOL.

(LJL)

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It must be something that is going on with him. He wrote on his

magnadoodle two days ago that purple and yellow equal zero (or

something like that). Why on Earth two colors equal zero is beyond me.

> There is also something called synesthesia (sp?) where some people

hear

> color or see sound as color flashes. I don't know much about it but

have

> seen it referred to in a couple of articles read many years ago.

>

> Kathy J.

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On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:09 PM, LJL wrote:

> I have since read that Aspi kids do not have a language

> delay, which my son had. I dunno.

>

> Those kids at the site you provided DO sound like Ethan. When Ethan is

> left alone, he for the most part is not 'disorganized'. He gets funny

> when people ask him emotional questions or why questions.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

**, what kind of delay did he have? My son didn't really start

speaking until past 2, and he is diagnosed as HFA...high fuctioning

autism. There are mixed reviews on that, some think it is the same as

Asperger's, while others insist they are different. Personally, I

don't care, my son does act like other AS kids that I know, that is

where he fits. Tony Attwood has said that the difference between AS

and HFA is how they are spelled. But not everyone believes that.

Still, HFA is very close to AS and much of what you do to treat would

be the same. I personally don't see enough differences to really

warrant the different terms, but some do. HFA is still in its infancy

at this point, the entire diagnoses isn't fleshed out. Our therapist

even told us that it was subjective. Another therapist might diagnose

AS, instead.

What is High Functioning Autism and Asperger's Syndrome?

http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=255 & a=3337

Treating Children with high functioning autism

http://ctct.essortment.com/highfunctioning_repx.htm

Oh, and gets goofy if you ask him about feelings, or emotional

things. He will tell you he just doesn't want to talk about it, or you

are giving him a headache, or it's just too hard to think about. If

you continue, he gets disorganized.

Tina

livin' in Alphabet Soup with:

, 6, AS/HFA , anxiety

Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD

Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now

dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$

" The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the voice of

your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with

autism who has autistic children, as well

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On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:31 PM, LJL wrote:

> It must be something that is going on with him. He wrote on his

> magnadoodle two days ago that purple and yellow equal zero (or

> something like that). Why on Earth two colors equal zero is beyond me.

>

>

>

**Because that's how he sees it. Ask him if he sees numbers in color.

Then, read about synesthesia. Fascinating. My dh does this,

somewhat. Fascinating. It does say that most who have it are

neurologically normal, but my dh has Asperger's and is still affected

by it.

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/syne.html

Tina

livin' in Alphabet Soup with:

, 6, AS/HFA , anxiety

Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD

Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now

dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$

" The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the voice of

your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with

autism who has autistic children, as well

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I would agree with this assessment. My son is similar to other autistic

children we meet, except he has bipolar symptoms, IMO. The only difference

that I can see between him and kids with HFA is that he didn't have a

language delay as a toddler. Now that he is seven, I don't see a

difference, except for personality and interests.

T.

At 09:29 AM 3/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:09 PM, LJL wrote:

>

> > I have since read that Aspi kids do not have a language

> > delay, which my son had. I dunno.

> >

> > Those kids at the site you provided DO sound like Ethan. When Ethan is

> > left alone, he for the most part is not 'disorganized'. He gets funny

> > when people ask him emotional questions or why questions.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

>**, what kind of delay did he have? My son didn't really start

>speaking until past 2, and he is diagnosed as HFA...high fuctioning

>autism. There are mixed reviews on that, some think it is the same as

>Asperger's, while others insist they are different. Personally, I

>don't care, my son does act like other AS kids that I know, that is

>where he fits. Tony Attwood has said that the difference between AS

>and HFA is how they are spelled. But not everyone believes that.

>Still, HFA is very close to AS and much of what you do to treat would

>be the same. I personally don't see enough differences to really

>warrant the different terms, but some do. HFA is still in its infancy

>at this point, the entire diagnoses isn't fleshed out. Our therapist

>even told us that it was subjective. Another therapist might diagnose

>AS, instead.

>

>What is High Functioning Autism and Asperger's Syndrome?

>http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=255 & a=3337

>

>Treating Children with high functioning autism

>http://ctct.essortment.com/highfunctioning_repx.htm

>

>Oh, and gets goofy if you ask him about feelings, or emotional

>things. He will tell you he just doesn't want to talk about it, or you

>are giving him a headache, or it's just too hard to think about. If

>you continue, he gets disorganized.

>

>

>

>Tina

>livin' in Alphabet Soup with:

>, 6, AS/HFA , anxiety

>Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD

>Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now

>dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$

>

> " The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the voice of

>your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with

>autism who has autistic children, as well

>

>

>

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Okay, I have to be honest. This subject fascinates me, because when I was a

kid I also saw numbers as colors. I'm serious about this.

One was white

Two was yellow

Three was green

Four was blue

Five was red

Seven was purple

Nine was brown

Ten was black

I thought this was so bizarre myself that I didn't tell anyone about it.

But, yes, I could literally see the numbers as colors. And I have always

had a natural aptitude for math and science, except that I much prefer to

write and create things with my hands.

I have some spectrumy behaviors and married a guy who is a good candidate

for mild AS.

Weird, huh? I can't explain this.

I have not noticed this with Sasha, who has many other quirks.

T.

At 09:34 AM 3/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:31 PM, LJL wrote:

>

> > It must be something that is going on with him. He wrote on his

> > magnadoodle two days ago that purple and yellow equal zero (or

> > something like that). Why on Earth two colors equal zero is beyond me.

> >

> >

> >

>

>**Because that's how he sees it. Ask him if he sees numbers in color.

> Then, read about synesthesia. Fascinating. My dh does this,

>somewhat. Fascinating. It does say that most who have it are

>neurologically normal, but my dh has Asperger's and is still affected

>by it.

>

>http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/syne.html

>

>

>

>Tina

>livin' in Alphabet Soup with:

>, 6, AS/HFA , anxiety

>Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD

>Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now

>dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$

>

> " The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the voice of

>your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with

>autism who has autistic children, as well

>

>

>

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Ethan said 'Mama' for the first time around his second birthday (had

maybe 5 words other than that which were the beginning syllables to

words like 'wa' for water. He had been in ST at home (once a week

for an hour) since 21 mos when he said 'Mama'. When he was three

and a half and entered preschool he had 3-5 word sentences - typical

of autism with reversal of pronouns and no understanding of gender.

He developed the last of his letter sounds at five ('s' and 'f') and

also accomplished gender pronouns at the same time.

I know there is a fierce debate about HFA and AS. I met a mom who

told me her son was HFA, and he was not even talking yet at age 4 so

I felt like I was not in the right 'group'.

>

> > I have since read that Aspi kids do not have a language

> > delay, which my son had. I dunno.

> >

> > Those kids at the site you provided DO sound like Ethan. When

Ethan is

> > left alone, he for the most part is not 'disorganized'. He gets

funny

> > when people ask him emotional questions or why questions.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

> **, what kind of delay did he have? My son didn't really

start

> speaking until past 2, and he is diagnosed as HFA...high

fuctioning

> autism. There are mixed reviews on that, some think it is the

same as

> Asperger's, while others insist they are different. Personally, I

> don't care, my son does act like other AS kids that I know, that

is

> where he fits. Tony Attwood has said that the difference between

AS

> and HFA is how they are spelled. But not everyone believes that.

> Still, HFA is very close to AS and much of what you do to treat

would

> be the same. I personally don't see enough differences to really

> warrant the different terms, but some do. HFA is still in its

infancy

> at this point, the entire diagnoses isn't fleshed out. Our

therapist

> even told us that it was subjective. Another therapist might

diagnose

> AS, instead.

>

> What is High Functioning Autism and Asperger's Syndrome?

> http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=255 & a=3337

>

> Treating Children with high functioning autism

> http://ctct.essortment.com/highfunctioning_repx.htm

>

> Oh, and gets goofy if you ask him about feelings, or

emotional

> things. He will tell you he just doesn't want to talk about it,

or you

> are giving him a headache, or it's just too hard to think about.

If

> you continue, he gets disorganized.

>

>

>

> Tina

> livin' in Alphabet Soup with:

> , 6, AS/HFA , anxiety

> Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD

> Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now

> dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$

>

> " The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the

voice of

> your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with

> autism who has autistic children, as well

>

>

>

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Hi . I have two boys on the autism spectrum. They both went through

laundry lists of " interests " . Now at 14 and 8, they are both mainly

interested in sports. Just wanted to say HI! Pam :)

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Fascinating! Thanks for the link. I don't see colors outside my body. It's

interesting that both my sister and I have a propensity to think of numbers

as colors, so the genetics are interesting. Wonder if my father and/or

mother does this. I will have to ask them. My brother and I have a lot of

interesting little quirks in common with one another. We are both writers.

Our father is a physicist, also very creative, with his own unique way of

seeing things.

Curiously, my sister and I have the same phobia. Can't explain that one.

Despite very little fear when we were little, about the time we each turned

ten, we developed a pathological fear of opening our eyes under water. This

makes looking at the pretty fishes fairly challenging (scuba gear), as I

may start hyperventilating. I try to ignore it and just be as normal as

possible, but the physical responses can be crippling. I'm not at all

afraid of heights, but for some reason, the idea of staring into a vast

underwater space gives me the heebie jeebies.

Ah, the mysteries of the brain ...

T.

At 09:34 AM 3/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:31 PM, LJL wrote:

>

> > It must be something that is going on with him. He wrote on his

> > magnadoodle two days ago that purple and yellow equal zero (or

> > something like that). Why on Earth two colors equal zero is beyond me.

> >

> >

> >

>

>**Because that's how he sees it. Ask him if he sees numbers in color.

> Then, read about synesthesia. Fascinating. My dh does this,

>somewhat. Fascinating. It does say that most who have it are

>neurologically normal, but my dh has Asperger's and is still affected

>by it.

>

>http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/syne.html

>

>

>

>Tina

>livin' in Alphabet Soup with:

>, 6, AS/HFA , anxiety

>Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD

>Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now

>dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$

>

> " The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the voice of

>your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with

>autism who has autistic children, as well

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