Re: Baby Food

[Guest guest]

OK, I'm sounding like a broken record but ... how about kefir? (Kefir smoothies,

probably, or not TOO cultured). Seems like I read somewhere that it's considered

good food for invalids and sick kids (easy to digest). I read on Dom's website

that he's also cultured other items in kefir -- like vegies and grains and meat

-- which would make them easier to digest. Kefir is kind of like yogurt, but I

find it more filling, for some reason. You may have to mix it with something

sweet (like mashed banana).

I fed mine boiled rice cereal (course ground rice boiled with water), which

filled her up, and she didn't have any problems with it. It would be better

soaked. I can imagine soaking it in kefir whey then cooking it. Mashed bananas

are good too, and easy on digestion. Mine got HUNGRY at 6 months and no amount

of milk would satisfy her.

-- Heidi

At 02:40 PM 6/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Besides a soft boiled egg yolk, what should I be giving my 7 month old? I'm

not ready to give her frozen raw liver - that's my issue . The NT book says

animal products are easier to digest than veggies and to wait on grains. OK,

but what animal products. I've given her a little organic whole plain yogurt

and some organic cottage cheese, is that what they're talking about? I need

some guidance. It's important to me because my daughter has what I'd call an

imature digestive system. I wouldn't feed her food at all, except that SHE

WANTS IT. I swear she grabs my food all the time and into her mouth. She has

all the signs of readiness except for her digestive output, so I want to be

careful and not cause any intestinal problems.

>

>Thanks for your input.

>

>

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

Since I fed my other two cereals starting at 6 months, I guess I did it

wrong. I have another baby now coming up to 6 months and will try doing

things differently this time. Maybe just egg yolk, Kefir, bananas, avocado

and some veggies (sweet potato, taro root ) to start with. Have you been

giving her an egg yolk a day since 6 months? Is this supposed to continue

forever? I sometimes wonder about giving egg yolk every day since I thought

we're supposed to rotate foods in order to prevent developing sensitivities

to them.

Astrid

----- Original Message -----

From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

< >

Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:04 AM

Subject: Re: Baby Food

>

> OK, I'm sounding like a broken record but ... how about kefir? (Kefir

smoothies, probably, or not TOO cultured). Seems like I read somewhere that

it's considered good food for invalids and sick kids (easy to digest). I

read on Dom's website that he's also cultured other items in kefir -- like

vegies and grains and meat -- which would make them easier to digest. Kefir

is kind of like yogurt, but I find it more filling, for some reason. You may

have to mix it with something sweet (like mashed banana).

>

> I fed mine boiled rice cereal (course ground rice boiled with water),

which filled her up, and she didn't have any problems with it. It would be

better soaked. I can imagine soaking it in kefir whey then cooking it.

Mashed bananas are good too, and easy on digestion. Mine got HUNGRY at 6

months and no amount of milk would satisfy her.

>

> -- Heidi

>

> At 02:40 PM 6/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> >Besides a soft boiled egg yolk, what should I be giving my 7 month old?

I'm not ready to give her frozen raw liver - that's my issue . The NT

book says animal products are easier to digest than veggies and to wait on

grains. OK, but what animal products. I've given her a little organic

whole plain yogurt and some organic cottage cheese, is that what they're

talking about? I need some guidance. It's important to me because my

daughter has what I'd call an imature digestive system. I wouldn't feed her

food at all, except that SHE WANTS IT. I swear she grabs my food all the

time and into her mouth. She has all the signs of readiness except for her

digestive output, so I want to be careful and not cause any intestinal

problems.

> >

> >Thanks for your input.

> >

> >

>

> Heidi Schuppenhauer

> Trillium Custom Software Inc.

> heidis@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm too new for you to sound like a broken record. I'll try to make the kefir.

It sounds like a great idea.

About the egg yolk Astrid. I don't know the right answer about eating the same

thing everyday. But whose almost 7 months has had a yolk a day for the

entire month. She loves it. I plan to give it to her daily for at least a few

months.

Thanks for the input.

[Guest guest]

--- In @y..., " Astrid Froese " <astrid.froese@s...>

> I sometimes wonder about giving egg yolk every day since I thought

> we're supposed to rotate foods in order to prevent developing

> sensitivities to them.

> Astrid

I don't see why a tiny bit of mashed liver blended in with some taro,

plantain, or something similar couldn't be substituted on a rotation

schedule if you're concerned about it. Most of the valuable stuff in

the egg yolk is going to be well-supplied by the liver too...Vit A,

Vit D, choline, EFAs.

[Guest guest]

At 09:51 PM 6/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>I'm too new for you to sound like a broken record. I'll try to make the kefir.

It sounds like a great idea.

We've really enjoyed it. On the kefir list it is sometimes regarded as addicting

though, so be careful :-)

Another thing I recall from reading somewhere: Poi is regarded as a good baby

food and ill-person food, so is amazaki. Possibly ANY fermented food would be

more digestible, if digestibility is an issue. Though for a baby maybe you'd

want to make the fermentation not too sour.

>About the egg yolk Astrid. I don't know the right answer about eating the same

thing everyday. But whose almost 7 months has had a yolk a day for the

entire month. She loves it. I plan to give it to her daily for at least a few

months.

As a person who suffers from intolerances, I wonder about the " rotation " issue

myself. If it were purely a matter of " eating the same food every day causes

intolerances " , then Asia would be chock-full of people with rice intolerance.

And when you DO have a bad intolerance (like gluten intolerance), then not

eating the food doesn't really get " rid " of the intolerance either (it does

allow your body to handle it better). Some immune reactions to foods do get

outgrown. There are 5 different kinds of " allergic " reactions to foods: the ones

that get outgrown are, I think, IgE reactions.

Anyway, the science on this isn't very good and seems to be mostly derived from

people's experiences. The IgG and IgA reactions were only discovered in 1970 or

so and are still not well studied. But here is what I've gleaned about

developing allergies:

1. If a food is introduced later than 3-6 months, that is best. (when there is

less gut permeability).

2. It's best if the food is introduced while breastfeeding (the immune system

seems to " learn " from the Mom). The longer you breastfeed, the better the immune

system will be.

3. It is thought that some intolerances are the result of being exposed to the

food while sick with a virus (the immune system confuses the food with the viral

coating). Apparently some food proteins are similar to some viral proteins. So

when your child is sick, avoid the common allergens (egg white, gluten, lectins,

and there are probably some others).

4. At least some of the worst reactions (IgA and IgG) are rather hereditary and

depend on an HLA gene. If you don't have the gene for that particular food

reaction, then you can eat a lot of that food every day and never react to it.

Anyway, I think having a variety of food is generally a good thing, but I'm not

afraid personally of getting in a " rut " for awhile -- we had eggs every day for

breakfast for my entire childhood and I still do ... and a lot of Asian kids

have rice every morning, and the Hawaiian kids probably had poi every morning.

But I DID manage to get allergic to gluten, I never did have all that much wheat

stuff growing up, or as a baby (my Mom only believed in rice cereal). I'm pretty

sure gluten is an issue for both my Mom and Dad, and that it is genetic -- they

reason it wasn't around the house much probably had to do with some subconscious

desire not to eat it. So if you have problems with a food, that's a good reason

not to feed it to your kid!

Heidi Schuppenhauer

[Guest guest]

I know we're not supposed to clutter up the listserve with messages of

gratitude or chit chat, but, (life is nothing but buts after all), I have to

say that I appreciate the intelligent and well-nuanced musings of you users.

I've never been able to talk about nutrition with anybody around me (due to

their common disinterest OR very anchored, dogmatic vegan, macrobiotic etc.

views) in any analytical way. So thanks. I'm learning a lot.

Astrid

----- Original Message -----

From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 1:36 AM

Subject: Re: Baby Food

> At 09:51 PM 6/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> >I'm too new for you to sound like a broken record. I'll try to make the

kefir. It sounds like a great idea.

>

> We've really enjoyed it. On the kefir list it is sometimes regarded as

addicting though, so be careful :-)

>

> Another thing I recall from reading somewhere: Poi is regarded as a good

baby food and ill-person food, so is amazaki. Possibly ANY fermented food

would be more digestible, if digestibility is an issue. Though for a baby

maybe you'd want to make the fermentation not too sour.

>

>

> >About the egg yolk Astrid. I don't know the right answer about eating

the same thing everyday. But whose almost 7 months has had a yolk a

day for the entire month. She loves it. I plan to give it to her daily for

at least a few months.

>

> As a person who suffers from intolerances, I wonder about the " rotation "

issue myself. If it were purely a matter of " eating the same food every day

causes intolerances " , then Asia would be chock-full of people with rice

intolerance. And when you DO have a bad intolerance (like gluten

intolerance), then not eating the food doesn't really get " rid " of the

intolerance either (it does allow your body to handle it better). Some

immune reactions to foods do get outgrown. There are 5 different kinds of

" allergic " reactions to foods: the ones that get outgrown are, I think, IgE

reactions.

>

> Anyway, the science on this isn't very good and seems to be mostly derived

from people's experiences. The IgG and IgA reactions were only discovered in

1970 or so and are still not well studied. But here is what I've gleaned

about developing allergies:

>

> 1. If a food is introduced later than 3-6 months, that is best. (when

there is less gut permeability).

> 2. It's best if the food is introduced while breastfeeding (the immune

system seems to " learn " from the Mom). The longer you breastfeed, the better

the immune system will be.

> 3. It is thought that some intolerances are the result of being exposed to

the food while sick with a virus (the immune system confuses the food with

the viral coating). Apparently some food proteins are similar to some viral

proteins. So when your child is sick, avoid the common allergens (egg white,

gluten, lectins, and there are probably some others).

> 4. At least some of the worst reactions (IgA and IgG) are rather

hereditary and depend on an HLA gene. If you don't have the gene for that

particular food reaction, then you can eat a lot of that food every day and

never react to it.

>

> Anyway, I think having a variety of food is generally a good thing, but

I'm not afraid personally of getting in a " rut " for awhile -- we had eggs

every day for breakfast for my entire childhood and I still do ... and a lot

of Asian kids have rice every morning, and the Hawaiian kids probably had

poi every morning. But I DID manage to get allergic to gluten, I never did

have all that much wheat stuff growing up, or as a baby (my Mom only

believed in rice cereal). I'm pretty sure gluten is an issue for both my Mom

and Dad, and that it is genetic -- they reason it wasn't around the house

much probably had to do with some subconscious desire not to eat it. So if

you have problems with a food, that's a good reason not to feed it to your

kid!

>

>

> Heidi Schuppenhauer

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 09:39 AM 6/16/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>I know we're not supposed to clutter up the listserve with messages of

>gratitude or chit chat, but, (life is nothing but buts after all), I have to

>say that I appreciate the intelligent and well-nuanced musings of you users.

>I've never been able to talk about nutrition with anybody around me (due to

>their common disinterest OR very anchored, dogmatic vegan, macrobiotic etc.

>views) in any analytical way. So thanks. I'm learning a lot.

>Astrid

Ditto! I've been thinking about so many issues I usually ignore. But when I try

to discuss them at home, the response is usually, " Well, whatever's on the

plate, I'll eat it! " .

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

When I go to Whole Foods (closest organic market) where do I find Poi and

amazaki? I'm relatively new to eating veggies. Really, just tried asparagus

this year. I've got a lot of catching up to do.

----- Original Message -----

From: Heidi Schuppenhauer

Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 1:36 AM

Subject: Re: Baby Food

At 09:51 PM 6/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>I'm too new for you to sound like a broken record. I'll try to make the

kefir. It sounds like a great idea.

We've really enjoyed it. On the kefir list it is sometimes regarded as

addicting though, so be careful :-)

Another thing I recall from reading somewhere: Poi is regarded as a good baby

food and ill-person food, so is amazaki. Possibly ANY fermented food would be

more digestible, if digestibility is an issue. Though for a baby maybe you'd

want to make the fermentation not too sour.

>About the egg yolk Astrid. I don't know the right answer about eating the

same thing everyday. But whose almost 7 months has had a yolk a day for

the entire month. She loves it. I plan to give it to her daily for at least a

few months.

As a person who suffers from intolerances, I wonder about the " rotation " issue

myself. If it were purely a matter of " eating the same food every day causes

intolerances " , then Asia would be chock-full of people with rice intolerance.

And when you DO have a bad intolerance (like gluten intolerance), then not

eating the food doesn't really get " rid " of the intolerance either (it does

allow your body to handle it better). Some immune reactions to foods do get

outgrown. There are 5 different kinds of " allergic " reactions to foods: the ones

that get outgrown are, I think, IgE reactions.

Anyway, the science on this isn't very good and seems to be mostly derived

from people's experiences. The IgG and IgA reactions were only discovered in

1970 or so and are still not well studied. But here is what I've gleaned about

developing allergies:

1. If a food is introduced later than 3-6 months, that is best. (when there is

less gut permeability).

2. It's best if the food is introduced while breastfeeding (the immune system

seems to " learn " from the Mom). The longer you breastfeed, the better the immune

system will be.

3. It is thought that some intolerances are the result of being exposed to the

food while sick with a virus (the immune system confuses the food with the viral

coating). Apparently some food proteins are similar to some viral proteins. So

when your child is sick, avoid the common allergens (egg white, gluten, lectins,

and there are probably some others).

4. At least some of the worst reactions (IgA and IgG) are rather hereditary

and depend on an HLA gene. If you don't have the gene for that particular food

reaction, then you can eat a lot of that food every day and never react to it.

Anyway, I think having a variety of food is generally a good thing, but I'm

not afraid personally of getting in a " rut " for awhile -- we had eggs every day

for breakfast for my entire childhood and I still do ... and a lot of Asian kids

have rice every morning, and the Hawaiian kids probably had poi every morning.

But I DID manage to get allergic to gluten, I never did have all that much wheat

stuff growing up, or as a baby (my Mom only believed in rice cereal). I'm pretty

sure gluten is an issue for both my Mom and Dad, and that it is genetic -- they

reason it wasn't around the house much probably had to do with some subconscious

desire not to eat it. So if you have problems with a food, that's a good reason

not to feed it to your kid!

Heidi Schuppenhauer

[Guest guest]

At 10:11 PM 6/16/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>When I go to Whole Foods (closest organic market) where do I find Poi and

amazaki?

I don't know -- I haven't tried either one. I've used my kefir to ferment other

stuff, but I don't know what would appeal to a baby. Amazaki I think is sold in

some health food stores, as a drink.

> I'm relatively new to eating veggies. Really, just tried asparagus this year.

I've got a lot of catching up to do.

I started really learning how to cook them when I had kids. They seemed like too

much work for " just me " (I had salads a lot though). But I wanted my kids to

have some good habits and memories!

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...