Re: Re: Repairing spinal problems

[Guest guest]

At 07:41 PM 7/12/02 +0000, Sheila wrote:

>Wanita,

>Where did you read about the glucosamine and hypoglycemia connection?

I was on a list few years back and a glucosamine inquiry came up. Three people

posted that they had had 3 different pancreatic reactions to taking

glucosamine. One was pancreatitis making her insulin dependent for life,

another knew she was hypoglycemic and went to diabetes, another diabetic with

glucosamine having to be stopped to regulate her insulin. Glucosamine is

glucose and protein.

>

>Aubin,

>At the moment I am getting informed about magnesium supplementation.

>I read how well the muscles in your body function has a lot to do

>with your magnesium level, as well, if not more that the calcium

>level. The neck is a common area for pain to manifest itself when

>Mag. is low. Do a little hunting around for magnesium inforamtion.

>Better yet do a search on magnesium right here on .

>Information on some of the best mag. web site are located in the more

>current messages.

> I always suggest checking digestion for any chronic illness. In my

>personal experience and humble opinion digestion is the key to better

>health.

>Sheila

I agree on the magnesium helping the calcium to not settle to produce

arthritis. My husband's scoliosis was showing arthritis in two of his three

spinal curves 8 years ago. As far as food goes alfalfa I'd say sprouts for the

most concentrated nutrition helps. Husband will eat. :-) Yucca root and

bromelian in pineapples are the best anti inflammatories. Yucca is a precursor

to synthetic cortisone and flushes uric acid buildup out.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

At 12:14 AM 7/13/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>I agree, digestion is key. He doesn't have symptoms of

>compromised digestion, but I suppose there aren't always

>dramatic symptoms until deficiencies start to show up in other

>parts of the body. How would you suggest " checking " digestion?

There are many disciplines of " diagnosis " to detect indigestion. In

Ayurvedic lore a white-coated tongue is one indication. That same sign can

indicate release of toxins from the tissues even when no indigestion is

present. There are other signs - checking a book from the library on

Ayurveda should provide additional insight. In my own experience other

indications are belching, gas, bloating, " acid reflux " , pains in the

digestive tract and, of course, undigested food in the stool. Sometimes

one can use ginger or toasted fennel seeds to reduce these symptoms and

that helps to confirm the " diagnosis " . For my own case, switching to raw

foods stopped my problems with indigestion - all those symptoms disappeared

instantly.

-=mark=-

[Guest guest]

aubinparrish wrote:

> We're near Roseville! Actually, we live in the Sierra foothills, and

> the chiro he's seeing right now is in Folsom. Please let me

> know the name of the one in Roseville, maybe we can get a

> consultation going between the two docs. So far, we like this

> woman, it will be interesting to see what suggestions she has

> after coming up with a personalized plan.

His name is Dr. Natzel and his phone # is 916-788-1285. Maybe you should come

down and talk to him.

BTW, having seen you mention exercise in anothe post, I want to add that his

believes exercise is very important for keeping the spine, etc. in balance,

but exercise (not all of them) should be started after a period of stabilized

imporovement.

> I'm sure supplements

> will be needed to address deficiencies. How does raw cow's

> milk fit into the magnesium picture?

From what I've read, milk is a poor source of magnesium.

As far as a food supplement is concerned, consider products from NutraStar

(www.nutrastar.com). They are based on stabilized rice bran. They have been

conducting clinical studies and getting astounding results (digestion, liver,

diabetis, cancer, skin problems, etc.). Talk to them as not everything is

available on their web site.

Roman

[Guest guest]

aubinparrish wrote:

>

> >The neck is a common area for pain to manifest itself when

> > Mag. is low. Do a little hunting around for magnesium

> inforamtion.

> > Better yet do a search on magnesium right here on

> .

>

> Thanks. I haven't been able to keep up with all the conversations

> on this list recently, but I'll go back and look at those posts.

About magnesium: http://www.krispin.com/magnes.html and

http://www.mgwater.com/

>

> He does have a very stressful job and doesn't get enough

> exercise, and we're working on making some changes in those

> areas, but his scoliosis and difference in leg length seem to be

> the underlying mechanical factors.

Chronic stress is hugely important. Have him read

- http://askwaltstollmd.com/stress.html

- http://askwaltstollmd.com/relax.html

- http://askwaltstollmd.com/immune.html

- http://askwaltstollmd.com/tmj.html

- http://askwaltstollmd.com/lgs.html

These will explain what chronic stress is, what a wide range of illnesses it

can cause, and what to do about that.

Roman

[Guest guest]

Hi Roman

Have you checked out http://www.integriscorp.com/default.htm. They also sell

stabilized rice bran products.

Larry

----- Original Message -----

From: Roman

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:57 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Repairing spinal problems

aubinparrish wrote:

> We're near Roseville! Actually, we live in the Sierra foothills, and

> the chiro he's seeing right now is in Folsom. Please let me

> know the name of the one in Roseville, maybe we can get a

> consultation going between the two docs. So far, we like this

> woman, it will be interesting to see what suggestions she has

> after coming up with a personalized plan.

His name is Dr. Natzel and his phone # is 916-788-1285. Maybe you should come

down and talk to him.

BTW, having seen you mention exercise in anothe post, I want to add that his

believes exercise is very important for keeping the spine, etc. in balance,

but exercise (not all of them) should be started after a period of stabilized

imporovement.

> I'm sure supplements

> will be needed to address deficiencies. How does raw cow's

> milk fit into the magnesium picture?

From what I've read, milk is a poor source of magnesium.

As far as a food supplement is concerned, consider products from NutraStar

(www.nutrastar.com). They are based on stabilized rice bran. They have been

conducting clinical studies and getting astounding results (digestion, liver,

diabetis, cancer, skin problems, etc.). Talk to them as not everything is

available on their web site.

Roman

[Guest guest]

I don't claim to know all about it, but I'd agree with that. From what I've

heard, read, and experienced, NST or Bowen therapy is better at releasing

muscle tension than massage. There's a very good Bowen therapist in Auburn,

which is close to where you live, right, Aubin?

Roman

pinksmastiffs wrote:

> Aubin,

>

> Don't let the Chiroprator neglect the muscles. They aren't schooled

> on muscles - just bones, so unless they have a massage therapist on

> staff, they don't provide it or usually even suggest it. Without

> massage, you really aren't treating the entire problem. If the

> muscles are contracting/spasming (they usually are), he really will

> need some massage along with the Chiro treatments. Bone and muscle

> go hand-in-hand, so if the bones are out of alignment, the muscles

> are being pulled, too. It's also great for stress.

>

> I don't know anyone that doesn't come away from the Chiro without the

> diagnosis of one leg being longer than the other. I'm not saying

> this isn't true in these cases, it's just not an uncommon thing.

> It's due to the hips being rotated slightly. Very rarely is it due

> to an anatomical abnormality.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, and I was told they got it from NutraStar. I am not sure they only got its

patent and are now producing it

themselves or they get the manufactured product, repackage and relabel it, and

sell it for a higher price.

Their " preferred customer " price is about twice what NutraStar charges. Also,

notice lack of scientific

information about the product and clinical studies, compared to NutraStar's web

site.

Roman

Larry Lyles wrote:

> Hi Roman

>

> Have you checked out http://www.integriscorp.com/default.htm. They also sell

stabilized rice bran products.

>

> Larry

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Roman

>

> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:57 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Repairing spinal problems

>

> aubinparrish wrote:

>

> > We're near Roseville! Actually, we live in the Sierra foothills, and

> > the chiro he's seeing right now is in Folsom. Please let me

> > know the name of the one in Roseville, maybe we can get a

> > consultation going between the two docs. So far, we like this

> > woman, it will be interesting to see what suggestions she has

> > after coming up with a personalized plan.

>

> His name is Dr. Natzel and his phone # is 916-788-1285. Maybe you should

come

> down and talk to him.

> BTW, having seen you mention exercise in anothe post, I want to add that his

> believes exercise is very important for keeping the spine, etc. in balance,

> but exercise (not all of them) should be started after a period of

stabilized

> imporovement.

>

> > I'm sure supplements

> > will be needed to address deficiencies. How does raw cow's

> > milk fit into the magnesium picture?

>

> From what I've read, milk is a poor source of magnesium.

>

> As far as a food supplement is concerned, consider products from NutraStar

> (www.nutrastar.com). They are based on stabilized rice bran. They have been

> conducting clinical studies and getting astounding results (digestion,

liver,

> diabetis, cancer, skin problems, etc.). Talk to them as not everything is

> available on their web site.

>

> Roman

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

How would I get more info on NST. What does that

stand for? Do they have a referral # for

practitioners in a specific area?

Thanks,

Jafa

--- Roman <r_rom@...> wrote:

> I don't claim to know all about it, but I'd agree

> with that. From what I've

> heard, read, and experienced, NST or Bowen therapy

> is better at releasing

> muscle tension than massage. There's a very good

> Bowen therapist in Auburn,

> which is close to where you live, right, Aubin?

>

> Roman

>

> pinksmastiffs wrote:

>

> > Aubin,

> >

> > Don't let the Chiroprator neglect the muscles.

> They aren't schooled

> > on muscles - just bones, so unless they have a

> massage therapist on

> > staff, they don't provide it or usually even

> suggest it. Without

> > massage, you really aren't treating the entire

> problem. If the

> > muscles are contracting/spasming (they usually

> are), he really will

> > need some massage along with the Chiro treatments.

> Bone and muscle

> > go hand-in-hand, so if the bones are out of

> alignment, the muscles

> > are being pulled, too. It's also great for

> stress.

> >

> > I don't know anyone that doesn't come away from

> the Chiro without the

> > diagnosis of one leg being longer than the other.

> I'm not saying

> > this isn't true in these cases, it's just not an

> uncommon thing.

> > It's due to the hips being rotated slightly. Very

> rarely is it due

> > to an anatomical abnormality.

> >

> > Good luck!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

It stands for Neurostructural Technique. For more info, go to

http://www.mercola.com/nst/explain.htm . There's a link to a referral page on

the bottom. If you get to experience it (a recommended number of sessions),

please share your experience with us.

Roman

Coyle wrote:

> Hi,

>

> How would I get more info on NST. What does that

> stand for? Do they have a referral # for

> practitioners in a specific area?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jafa

[Guest guest]

At 09:30 AM 7/14/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>I don't claim to know all about it, but I'd agree with that. From what I've

>heard, read, and experienced, NST or Bowen therapy is better at releasing

>muscle tension than massage. There's a very good Bowen therapist in Auburn,

>which is close to where you live, right, Aubin?

>

>Roman

My son has scoliosis too, and he has an Occupational Therapist who does

wonders with him. I think a lot of it has to do with strengthening the

muscles: I started lifting weights which helped my back IMMENSELY (more

than massage or chiropractic ever did, though both, I think, are good.).

Our back and stomach muscles don't get nearly the strength training they need!

Heidi

[Guest guest]

Perhaps, fasting insulin test is better to measure insulin resistance.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm

Roman

aubinparrish wrote:

> I agree, and we will talk with the chiro about monitoring his

> blood.

>

> Aubin

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jafa,

Do a search for NST at <http://www.mercola.com/>www.mercola.com. It stands for

neurostructual therapy. There's explanatory information and the practitioners

in your area listed there. My husband described it as acupressure where muscle

meets muscle. It strengthens your body's fascia and promotes healing. It

has to

work for him to be pleased with the results he got.

Wanita

At 09:48 AM 7/14/02 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi,

>

>How would I get more info on NST.  What does that

>stand for?  Do they have a referral # for

>practitioners in a specific area?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Jafa

>--- Roman <r_rom@...> wrote:

>> I don't claim to know all about it, but I'd agree

>> with that. From what I've

>> heard, read, and experienced, NST or Bowen therapy

>> is better at releasing

>> muscle tension than massage. There's a very good

>> Bowen therapist in Auburn,

>> which is close to where you live, right, Aubin?

>>

>> Roman

>>

>> pinksmastiffs wrote:

>>

>> > Aubin,

>> >

>> > Don't let the Chiroprator neglect the muscles.

>> They aren't schooled

>> > on muscles - just bones, so unless they have a

>> massage therapist on

>> > staff, they don't provide it or usually even

>> suggest it.  Without

>> > massage, you really aren't treating the entire

>> problem.  If the

>> > muscles are contracting/spasming (they usually

>> are), he really will

>> > need some massage along with the Chiro treatments.

>>  Bone and muscle

>> > go hand-in-hand, so if the bones are out of

>> alignment, the muscles

>> > are being pulled, too.  It's also great for

>> stress.

>> >

>> > I don't know anyone that doesn't come away from

>> the Chiro without the

>> > diagnosis of one leg being longer than the other.

>> I'm not saying

>> > this isn't true in these cases, it's just not an

>> uncommon thing.

>> > It's due to the hips being rotated slightly.  Very

>> rarely is it due

>> > to an anatomical abnormality.

>> >

>> > Good luck!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

I just contacted Radiant Life and they said they don't sell CLO.

>Radiant Life

has a very fine CLO. Sally Fallon uses it and I figure that speaks

volumes. You may get their catalog by calling (413)662-9535 of log on

at www.radiantlife.com. Maybe you already have this information, but

thought it worth mentioning just in case you didn't.

Sheila

[Guest guest]

That is funny I just bought some from them. Arrived a few days ago.

At 08:19 PM 7/15/02, you wrote:

>Sheila,

>

>I just contacted Radiant Life and they said they don't sell CLO.

>

>

> >Radiant Life

>has a very fine CLO. Sally Fallon uses it and I figure that speaks

>volumes. You may get their catalog by calling (413)662-9535 of log on

>at www.radiantlife.com. Maybe you already have this information, but

>thought it worth mentioning just in case you didn't.

>Sheila

>

>

>

>