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now I thought that when we were discussing DOT that Lorie said that the machines that analyze ARE FDA approved..those posts were over the last week.LOOPHOLE?? Also look up my posts after the WSJ came in mid august out I posted contacts in the media drug rant picked the article up and put it in the blog..rolling stone mag would take this on I bet...I don't have the time right now as I have to make copies of all the new material and sent it to all parties in my case ....I really wish I had a fax but in my case snail mail all registered $$$$$$ has to do. I also contacted Bushwatch as they have a section on drug corp watch run with them cause I didn't send them any files ect ..we need a cover letter to introduce this so it gives a framework ..can someone put one together that is somewhat ambiguous about us and others????that would do wonders with the files ect..

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> I just finished sending to prime time live and 20/20 the info

> regarding this flawed testing. I have already sent the same info

to my

> local news channels. I hope some one will be interested, as you

said,

> most people when they here are stories are shocked with disbelief,

> well I hope some one will listen to this problem

>

Dear : WTG! I'm sure glad that someone is doing somthing. I

am wanting to take action, but don't know who to sened what to. Do

I send this info to the CA BRN and CompassVision Lab who does my

testing and get labeled a troublemaker? What exctly did you send?

I'm looking for some proof that this is not FDA approved. Write

back and let me know. Thanks so much for helping in the fight. >

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According to the Wall Street Journal article it is not

FDA approved if I read it correctly. It said it only

FDA certify tests that are sold over the counter, and

that are administered to federal employees.

I gave a basic message of the need of the reporters to

investigate a loop hole in testing that is causing

professionals to loss there license and parents to

lose the custody of children for using products like

lysol. I sent the WSJ article and the recent advisory.

I didn't want to seem like a disgruntled person,

venting about the problem. I wanted the reporter or

reader to want look at the facts and the desparate

need for this to be shown to the public and

government.

--- " Carol J. Basbcock " <carolandalynn@...>

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>

> >

> > I just finished sending to prime time live and

> 20/20 the info

> > regarding this flawed testing. I have already sent

> the same info

> to my

> > local news channels. I hope some one will be

> interested, as you

> said,

> > most people when they here are stories are shocked

> with disbelief,

> > well I hope some one will listen to this problem

> >

>

>

>

> Dear : WTG! I'm sure glad that someone is

> doing somthing. I

> am wanting to take action, but don't know who to

> sened what to. Do

> I send this info to the CA BRN and CompassVision Lab

> who does my

> testing and get labeled a troublemaker? What exctly

> did you send?

> I'm looking for some proof that this is not FDA

> approved. Write

> back and let me know. Thanks so much for helping in

> the fight. >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I understand what you are saying, I read your posts, I

just felt so desparate since the labs won't stop

performing this test and my diversion board will not

stop performing these flawed test I was sending my

message out, hoping the right person will read it and

have an answer. I have heard conflicting thinks about

FDA vs non FDA.

Reaching for help

--- lilibit007@... wrote:

> now I thought that when we were discussing DOT that

> Lorie said that the

> machines that analyze ARE FDA approved..those posts

> were over the last

> week.LOOPHOLE?? Also look up my posts after the WSJ

> came in mid august out I posted

> contacts in the media drug rant picked the

> article up and put it in the

> blog..rolling stone mag would take this on I

> bet...I don't have the time right

> now as I have to make copies of all the new

> material and sent it to all

> parties in my case ....I really wish I had a fax

> but in my case snail mail all

> registered $$$$$$ has to do. I also contacted

> Bushwatch as they have a section

> on drug corp watch run with them cause I didn't

> send them any files ect ..we

> need a cover letter to introduce this so it gives a

> framework ..can someone

> put one together that is somewhat ambiguous about

> us and others????that would

> do wonders with the files ect..

>

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Hi ,

I think you are VERY brave for sending your story out there, and hopefully

someone will

listen soon. I know how cornered it feels to be continually subjected to this

test, when you

feel it is so random whether it will be okay or not, and I thought exactly like

you did; It

won't happen to me because I am very careful and organized...I wish I had

something

better to say too you, but just know that you are not alone...And maybe I'm

mistaken, but

from what I understood, the test is not FDA approved.

Amy

>

> > now I thought that when we were discussing DOT that

> > Lorie said that the

> > machines that analyze ARE FDA approved..those posts

> > were over the last

> > week.LOOPHOLE?? Also look up my posts after the WSJ

> > came in mid august out I posted

> > contacts in the media drug rant picked the

> > article up and put it in the

> > blog..rolling stone mag would take this on I

> > bet...I don't have the time right

> > now as I have to make copies of all the new

> > material and sent it to all

> > parties in my case ....I really wish I had a fax

> > but in my case snail mail all

> > registered $$$$$$ has to do. I also contacted

> > Bushwatch as they have a section

> > on drug corp watch run with them cause I didn't

> > send them any files ect ..we

> > need a cover letter to introduce this so it gives a

> > framework ..can someone

> > put one together that is somewhat ambiguous about

> > us and others????that would

> > do wonders with the files ect..

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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I don't see that presenting something in an informative and educational way is being a troublemaker. SAMHSA is the government entity that regulates the drug testing industry, and the fact that this non-biased body has weighed in on EtG is important. It is now in the licensing board's hands to react to the advisory. I believe that sending them the Advisory is a good way to let them know that WE KNOW about the advisory and WE KNOW THAT THEY KNOW about it now. And very soon, they shall also be held accountable for following its recommendations.

EtG testing is not FDA approved. A home brewed lab test does not require FDA approval. SAMHSA doesn't use EtG in any of its testing programs. I believe the only reason the spoke up and issued the Advisory is b/c they recognized that what was happening was VERY WRONG. I asked Donna Bush what kind of feedback she is getting from the labs about EtG testing. In her words: "You don't regulate us...Mind your own business." That enfuriates me. In all reality, I suppose nobody could tell the labs what cutoffs to offer. However, in the NAC's discussion of EtG, one member did mention that the labs need to be told that their statements are libelous.

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>> I just finished sending to prime time live and 20/20 the info > regarding this flawed testing. I have already sent the same info to my > local news channels. I hope some one will be interested, as you said, > most people when they here are stories are shocked with disbelief, > well I hope some one will listen to this problem> Dear : WTG! I'm sure glad that someone is doing somthing. I am wanting to take action, but don't know who to sened what to. Do I send this info to the CA BRN and CompassVision Lab who does my testing and get labeled a troublemaker? What exctly did you send? I'm looking for some proof that this is not FDA approved. Write back and let me know. Thanks so much for helping in the fight. >

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Lorie, Who is Donna Bush? Sorry, I'm probably showing my ignorance here. Whoever she is she made a very inflammatory statement to you. MarshaLorie Garlick <lorieg@...> wrote: I don't see that presenting something in an informative and educational way is being a troublemaker. SAMHSA is the government entity that regulates the drug testing industry, and the fact that this non-biased body has weighed in on EtG is important. It is now

in the licensing board's hands to react to the advisory. I believe that sending them the Advisory is a good way to let them know that WE KNOW about the advisory and WE KNOW THAT THEY KNOW about it now. And very soon, they shall also be held accountable for following its recommendations. EtG testing is not FDA approved. A home brewed lab test does not require FDA approval. SAMHSA doesn't use EtG in any of its testing programs. I believe the only reason the spoke up and issued the Advisory is b/c they recognized that what was happening was VERY WRONG. I asked Donna Bush what kind of feedback she is getting from the labs about EtG testing. In her words: "You don't regulate us...Mind your own business." That enfuriates me. In all reality, I suppose nobody could tell the labs what cutoffs to offer. However, in the NAC's discussion of EtG, one member did mention

that the labs need to be told that their statements are libelous. Re: Getting the message out >> I just finished sending to prime time live and 20/20 the info > regarding this flawed testing. I have already sent the same info to my > local news channels. I hope some one will be interested, as you said, > most people when they here are stories are shocked with disbelief, > well I hope some one will listen to this problem> Dear : WTG! I'm sure glad that someone is doing somthing. I am wanting to take action, but don't know who to sened what to. Do I send this info to the CA BRN and CompassVision Lab who does my testing and get labeled a troublemaker? What exctly did you send? I'm looking for some proof that this is not FDA approved. Write back and let me know. Thanks so much for helping in the fight. >

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Marsha, You got that wrong....the labs made that comment to Donna

Bush! Donna Bush is from SAMHSA and is in charge of drug testing for

federal employees. She was VERY instrumental in getting the black

box warning put into the advisory!! She is an AWESOME lady and VERY

much understands our cause!!

> >

> > I just finished sending to prime time live and 20/20 the info

> > regarding this flawed testing. I have already sent the same info

> to my

> > local news channels. I hope some one will be interested, as you

> said,

> > most people when they here are stories are shocked with

disbelief,

> > well I hope some one will listen to this problem

> >

>

> Dear : WTG! I'm sure glad that someone is doing somthing. I

> am wanting to take action, but don't know who to sened what to. Do

> I send this info to the CA BRN and CompassVision Lab who does my

> testing and get labeled a troublemaker? What exctly did you send?

> I'm looking for some proof that this is not FDA approved. Write

> back and let me know. Thanks so much for helping in the fight. >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Donna Bush is a forensic toxicologist and drug testing team leader for the Division of Workplace Programs at SAMHSA. Her statement "You don't regulate us...Mind your own business" was describing the lab's attitude toward SAMHSA with regard to EtG. Donna Bush very much supports us.

Re: Getting the message out

>> I just finished sending to prime time live and 20/20 the info > regarding this flawed testing. I have already sent the same info to my > local news channels. I hope some one will be interested, as you said, > most people when they here are stories are shocked with disbelief, > well I hope some one will listen to this problem> Dear : WTG! I'm sure glad that someone is doing somthing. I am wanting to take action, but don't know who to sened what to. Do I send this info to the CA BRN and CompassVision Lab who does my testing and get labeled a troublemaker? What exctly did you send? I'm looking for some proof that this is not FDA approved. Write back and let me know. Thanks so much for helping in the fight. >

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, Oops, thanks for the correction. And thank you, too, to Donna Bush. Marshanautiques5 <nautiques5@...> wrote: Marsha, You got that wrong....the labs made that comment to Donna Bush! Donna Bush is from SAMHSA and is in charge of drug testing for federal employees. She was VERY instrumental in getting the black box warning put into the advisory!! She is an AWESOME lady and VERY much understands our cause!! > >> > I just finished sending to prime time live and 20/20 the info > > regarding this flawed testing. I have already sent the same info > to my > > local news channels. I hope some one will be interested, as you > said, > > most people when they here are stories are shocked with disbelief, > > well I hope some one will listen to this problem> > > > Dear : WTG! I'm sure glad that someone is doing somthing. I > am wanting to take action, but don't know who to sened what to. Do > I send this info to the CA BRN and CompassVision Lab who does my > testing and get labeled a troublemaker? What exctly did you send? > I'm looking for some

proof that this is not FDA approved. Write > back and let me know. Thanks so much for helping in the fight. >> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business.>

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With in a few days I am tying up a paper,

with simple terms and facts about vaccines,

healthfreedom and the atypical ani psychotics,

and Amy's gig on Mom against, antidepresants.

Included will be the autism issues, and I

do this for several reasons. I talk to people

when I go out, be it the grocery, or nail

shop my friends run, and I am amazed at

the lack of informed citizens.

I spend a lot of time talking to each

person and with a handout I can get a lot

of imformation out with websites, ect,

and my phone number so if a person is really

intrested, they can ring me or email me.

I think I will get more people in on these

important issues, and what I am experiencing

is they are really into it, they are just

inexperienced at research, and pressed for

time.

That's the plan,People are listening,

it's just putting this down in black and

white and allowing them to run with

it, or not. It is about choice.

Peace-Love-Oneness

Dona

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With in a few days I am tying up a paper,

with simple terms and facts about vaccines,

healthfreedom and the atypical ani psychotics,

and Amy's gig on Mom against, antidepresants.

Included will be the autism issues, and I

do this for several reasons. I talk to people

when I go out, be it the grocery, or nail

shop my friends run, and I am amazed at

the lack of informed citizens.

I spend a lot of time talking to each

person and with a handout I can get a lot

of imformation out with websites, ect,

and my phone number so if a person is really

intrested, they can ring me or email me.

I think I will get more people in on these

important issues, and what I am experiencing

is they are really into it, they are just

inexperienced at research, and pressed for

time.

That's the plan,People are listening,

it's just putting this down in black and

white and allowing them to run with

it, or not. It is about choice.

Peace-Love-Oneness

Dona

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Hi Dona

I would love some of your papers to have in my hand bag when i am out and about would you email it to me ? PLEASE

Peace to all

tricia

no-forced-vaccination From: chironlightone@...Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:03:01 +0000Subject: Getting the message out

With in a few days I am tying up a paper,with simple terms and facts about vaccines,healthfreedom and the atypical ani psychotics,and Amy's gig on Mom against, antidepresants.Included will be the autism issues, and Ido this for several reasons. I talk to peoplewhen I go out, be it the grocery, or nailshop my friends run, and I am amazed atthe lack of informed citizens.I spend a lot of time talking to eachperson and with a handout I can get a lotof imformation out with websites, ect,and my phone number so if a person is reallyintrested, they can ring me or email me.I think I will get more people in on theseimportant issues, and what I am experiencing is they are really into it, they are justinexperienced at research, and pressed for time.That's the plan,People are listening,it's just putting this down in black and white and allowing them to run withit, or not. It is about choice.Peace-Love-OnenessDona Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger! Get Started!

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Hi Dona

I would love some of your papers to have in my hand bag when i am out and about would you email it to me ? PLEASE

Peace to all

tricia

no-forced-vaccination From: chironlightone@...Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:03:01 +0000Subject: Getting the message out

With in a few days I am tying up a paper,with simple terms and facts about vaccines,healthfreedom and the atypical ani psychotics,and Amy's gig on Mom against, antidepresants.Included will be the autism issues, and Ido this for several reasons. I talk to peoplewhen I go out, be it the grocery, or nailshop my friends run, and I am amazed atthe lack of informed citizens.I spend a lot of time talking to eachperson and with a handout I can get a lotof imformation out with websites, ect,and my phone number so if a person is reallyintrested, they can ring me or email me.I think I will get more people in on theseimportant issues, and what I am experiencing is they are really into it, they are justinexperienced at research, and pressed for time.That's the plan,People are listening,it's just putting this down in black and white and allowing them to run withit, or not. It is about choice.Peace-Love-OnenessDona Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger! Get Started!

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