Re: unsaturates depress metabolism

July 28, 2002

Liz,

I have/had the same weight problem as you've mentioned. the only way I lose

weight is when I adhere to a 'Palaeolithic regime or an 'anti-Candida

regime. lost 50lbs over one and a half years and have kept it all off. it's

been more than 2 and a half years now. I do however consume yoghurt, mainly

for breakfast, with chopped fruits and berries. aside from grain (properly

prepared) and dairy, I find NT and 'paleo' very compatible. I've been stuck

at my current weight level for almost a year now but then I haven't been

strictly observing the NT/Paleo ways. I still need to lose some more weight

but I know it'll come, slowly.

who knows, it might work for you. combining the best of both systems.

good luck,

Dedy

----- Original Message -----

From: <Ecmillerreid@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 9:06 AM

Subject: unsaturates depress metabolism

>

> In a message dated 7/26/02 7:47:59 PM,

> writes:

>

> >The more unsaturated a fat is, the more it tends to

> >

> >depress the metabolism.

>

> ,

> Do you think you could flesh this out more -- do you have references? I

> personally continue to gain weight no matter what I eat or don't eat. It's

> not a healthy weight gain either. I study nutrition but so far none of the

> strategies that look good in research works for me.

>

> Namaste, Liz

> <A HREF= " http://www.csun.edu/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html " >

> http://www.csun.edu/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html</A>

>

July 28, 2002

At 09:22 AM 7/28/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>Liz,

>I have/had the same weight problem as you've mentioned. the only way I lose

>weight is when I adhere to a 'Palaeolithic regime or an 'anti-Candida

>regime. lost 50lbs over one and a half years and have kept it all off. it's

>been more than 2 and a half years now. I do however consume yoghurt, mainly

>for breakfast, with chopped fruits and berries. aside from grain (properly

>prepared) and dairy, I find NT and 'paleo' very compatible. I've been stuck

>at my current weight level for almost a year now but then I haven't been

>strictly observing the NT/Paleo ways. I still need to lose some more weight

>but I know it'll come, slowly.

>who knows, it might work for you. combining the best of both systems.

>good luck,

>Dedy

Myself, I think it may be the " grain " part that is accounting

for a lot of weight gain for some people. I also agree NT and paleo

are very compatible -- except for grains, beans, and milk.

All three of those CAN (for some people, and possibly,

with wheat, for all people) damage the villi in the upper

intestine, which causes the appestat to not work properly,

so people overeat. This is so common that the gastro people

figure that ALL older adults have damaged villi (i.e. regard it

as a sign of aging). I don't think it is inevitable, and it is

probably reversible.

It takes months for the villi to repair themselves though,

and it is next to impossible to avoid gluten if you eat

processed foods. Following the paleo diet for at least

some long period of time is not a bad idea!

I was on a 'constant weight gain' treadmill for a long

time -- this year I'm on a slow but constant 'weight loss'

treadmill. I changed, basically these things:

1. No grain except some sorghum and rice. Also no soy and very little

sugars (refined or otherwise).

2. Kimchi with every meal.

3. No starches/sugars unless combined in a meal with protein, fat, and

vegies (i.e. every meal has the Schwartzbein Cube). I regulate the amount

of starch/sugar (about half a potato per meal, or a cup of fruit), but eat

whatever I feel like of everything else.

4. Cooking mainly with coconut oil.

5. A glass of kefir every day, but otherwise few milk products. (Except for

kefir and some cheese, they don't like me).

And of course, no processed foods (which I had to do earlier to get rid of

gluten). I still eat beans and peanuts, I haven't decided about those,

paleo or not. We eat lots of grass-fed beef, butter, eggs, chicken, fish. I

get lots of vegies, esp. with the kimchi.

I feel SO MUCH better it is amazing. I do not know which of those items

contributes to what: I do keep a food diary and get rid of foods that seem

to be problematic, at least for awhile. Last year I was tired all the time:

now I'm the first one out of bed (and the last one into it), and on the go

most of the day. A whole mess of medical problems have cleared up too.

Heidi

July 28, 2002

Have you tried eliminating ALL processed food? It might be a bit severe but

somewhere I read that MSG and other often hidden additives can cause food

cravings and weight gain. This of course means cooking all your own food. A

lot of work.

Irene

At 01:06 AM 7/28/02, you wrote:

>In a message dated 7/26/02 7:47:59 PM,

>writes:

>

> >The more unsaturated a fat is, the more it tends to

> >

> >depress the metabolism.

>

>,

>Do you think you could flesh this out more -- do you have references? I

>personally continue to gain weight no matter what I eat or don't eat. It's

>not a healthy weight gain either. I study nutrition but so far none of the

>strategies that look good in research works for me.

>

>Namaste, Liz

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>HREF= " <http://www.csun.edu/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html>http://www.csun.edu\

/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html " >

><http://www.csun.edu/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html>http://www.csun.edu/~ecm5\

9556/Healthycarb/index.html</A>

>

July 28, 2002

Liz-

>Do you think you could flesh this out more -- do you have references? I

>personally continue to gain weight no matter what I eat or don't eat. It's

>not a healthy weight gain either. I study nutrition but so far none of the

>strategies that look good in research works for me.

There's a fair amount of good research collected at

http://www.coconut-info.com/links.htm by Tropical Traditions, one of the

two best sources of coconut oil. They've collected that research because

coconut oil is almost completely saturated, meaning they have to overcome

years, even decades, of cultural conditioning against saturated fats and

tropical oils.

You can also find some interesting articles on the subject at

http://www.litalee.com/

I can't really speculate on the causes of your weight gain as I don't know

much about you or your diet, but one possible factor could be undiagnosed

hypothyroidism. It's a lot more common than most people think, partly

because diet is a profound factor. Have you considered trying an

NT/paleo-friendly low-carb diet and incorporating plenty of virgin coconut

oil in your diet?

-

July 28, 2002

>> I feel SO MUCH better it is amazing. I do not know which of those

items

> contributes to what: I do keep a food diary and get rid of foods

that seem

> to be problematic, at least for awhile. Last year I was tired all

the time:

> now I'm the first one out of bed (and the last one into it), and on

the go

> most of the day. A whole mess of medical problems have cleared up

too.

>

> Heidi

>

Heidi,

How long have you been following this plan? I have done it a couple

of months, but still have not lost a pound or gained in energy. Dr.

Mercola www.mercola.com is against any grain or dairy. But I find it

hard to give up both.

July 29, 2002

,

> There's a fair amount of good research collected at

> http://www.coconut-info.com/links.htm by Tropical Traditions, one of

> the

> two best sources of coconut oil.

What's the other source?

Thanks,

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July 29, 2002

HI Liz,

I enjoyed looking at your website (easier now that we have a cable modem).

Odd that you continue to have a problem with weight gain. Have you analyzed

your current diet to see what you are actually eating? I know that is a

chore, but it might be revealing.

Peace,

Kris , gardening in northwest Ohio

If you want to hear the good news about butter check out this website:

http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html

----- Original Message -----

From: <Ecmillerreid@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 4:06 AM

Subject: unsaturates depress metabolism

>

> In a message dated 7/26/02 7:47:59 PM,

> writes:

>

> >The more unsaturated a fat is, the more it tends to

> >

> >depress the metabolism.

>

> ,

> Do you think you could flesh this out more -- do you have references? I

> personally continue to gain weight no matter what I eat or don't eat. It's

> not a healthy weight gain either. I study nutrition but so far none of the

> strategies that look good in research works for me.

>

> Namaste, Liz

> <A HREF= " http://www.csun.edu/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html " >

> http://www.csun.edu/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html</A>

>

July 29, 2002

-

>What's the other source?

http://www.coconutoil-online.com/

Some people swear by them, other have some reservations. I'm about to

receive a trial shipment, though, so I'll report back. I've been using

Tropical Traditions's oil up to now.

-

July 29, 2002

At 10:45 PM 7/28/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Heidi,

>

>How long have you been following this plan? I have done it a couple

>of months, but still have not lost a pound or gained in energy. Dr.

>Mercola www.mercola.com is against any grain or dairy. But I find it

>hard to give up both.

About 4 weeks, I think. I've lost a couple of lbs, not a lot, but better

than gaining. And it

has helped with hunger issues. I've been gluten free since September

though, which

made a HUGE difference.

Everyone is probably different: I don't know that everyone reacts to grain.

Or dairy.

Statistically though, gluten intolerance is THE most common one, and if you

have it,

very, very slight amounts of gluten cause problems. If you lack energy, it

could

be all kinds of things (including intolerances to other foods) -- keeping a

diary

helps me a lot. I made quiche the other day -- delicious -- but could barely

function the next day. Cheese and cream seem to be a problem?

I can't " give up " ANYTHING. Drives me nuts. But once I connect the

food to the reaction, I tend to not want to eat it: when I see it on my plate

I think how I'm going to feel in an hour or two and don't like it any more.

But I had to convince myself of that: I did LOTS of trials on beer before

giving it up: now I see a beer bottle and think about itchy arms (it makes

me itch all over! ). So I haven't had a beer in 9 months or so, but mind

you, " I can drink one any time I want " .

I am also finding foods that I really LOVE and make me feel good

after eating them: and those tend to displace the others.

Heidi

July 29, 2002

--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

wrote:

> I can't " give up " ANYTHING. Drives me nuts. But once

> I connect the

> food to the reaction, I tend to not want to eat it:

> when I see it on my plate

> I think how I'm going to feel in an hour or two and

> don't like it any more.

When I was studying yoga in a group, our teacher would

sometimes talk to us about foods that are better or

worse than others. When we asked him if avoiding a

food is limiting one's personal freedom, he said,

" Only if you do that because someone else said so. If

you deeply realize that a certain food is not good for

you, you will simply make a decision not to eat it,

and so it will not be limiting your freedom. "

Same thing you're saying, Heidi.

Roman

__________________________________________________

July 29, 2002

At 12:02 AM 7/29/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>When I was studying yoga in a group, our teacher would

>sometimes talk to us about foods that are better or

>worse than others. When we asked him if avoiding a

>food is limiting one's personal freedom, he said,

> " Only if you do that because someone else said so. If

>you deeply realize that a certain food is not good for

>you, you will simply make a decision not to eat it,

>and so it will not be limiting your freedom. "

>

>Same thing you're saying, Heidi.

>

>Roman

Yeah, and yoga teachers say it so much better!

Thanks!

Heidi

July 29, 2002

I had a spiritual teacher tell me that when we " Curb our appetites we can attain

our desires! "

When I thought about it, I realized it relates to everything, food, money,

power, sex, etc. Had to ask myself, " What do you really want? " For me it is

peace, joy, love, all the inner things (Not that I don't like and enjoy all the

outer things also).

Have you ever gotten what you REALLY want from food, $, power, sex? I think of

this phrase whenever I want foods I know are not my best choice, or when go

shopping (especially grocery shopping).

Take care!

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Roman

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 12:02 AM

Subject: Re: Re: unsaturates depress metabolism

--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

wrote:

> I can't " give up " ANYTHING. Drives me nuts. But once

> I connect the

> food to the reaction, I tend to not want to eat it:

> when I see it on my plate

> I think how I'm going to feel in an hour or two and

> don't like it any more.

When I was studying yoga in a group, our teacher would

sometimes talk to us about foods that are better or

worse than others. When we asked him if avoiding a

food is limiting one's personal freedom, he said,

" Only if you do that because someone else said so. If

you deeply realize that a certain food is not good for

you, you will simply make a decision not to eat it,

and so it will not be limiting your freedom. "

Same thing you're saying, Heidi.

Roman

__________________________________________________

July 29, 2002

Irene Musiol wrote:

>

> Have you tried eliminating ALL processed food? ...This of course means cooking

all your own food. A

> lot of work.

I disagree. First of all, not all food needs to be cooked. Secondly,

many meals don't require that you stand there and watch them cook. I've

been making my own meals for years (actually, all my life, if I think

about that), and it takes no more time than it would take you to get

pizza or something from a pizza place. The only thing that takes some

time and efforts is making a veggie salad. But with a well thought out

procedure and good tools, I can make it in about 15 min or less.

Sometimes I just eat several raw egg yolks for a meal -- no time at all.

Or some yogurt or kefir with some whole food supplements.

It can be time consuming and difficult if you make it so.

Roman

July 29, 2002

I disagree too, that preparing all your own food is a lot of work. There

are the points that Roman made which I agree with and also if you look at

this from a cost-benefit perspective you would need to figure in all the

" costs " which include the time that you will spend because you are less

healthy over the long run, have less energy, etc. etc. For me spending the

time and money up front to get and prepare food as good as I can is worth it

and saves both time, money and misery down the road. I agree it is a

challenge as our society has made the quest very challenging, but still

worth it. Also if you do it slowly and add or change one thing at a time it

becomes second nature and just part of the routine. Your words are powerful

if you keep telling yourself this is a lot of work it will tend to be so.

--

-----Original Message-----

From: Roman [mailto:r_rom@...]

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: unsaturates depress metabolism

Irene Musiol wrote:

>

> Have you tried eliminating ALL processed food? ...This of course means

cooking all your own food. A