Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

[Guest guest]

Hi Alan,

This is just the tip of the legal iceburg. Wait until the public

fully realizes how all the PUFA's and high grain diets, recommended

by many, many doctors, nutritionists, the government, etc., etc. has

led to their poor health. They won't know who to sue first. It's

going to make the cigarette litigation look like a picnic. Yikes!

Sheila

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[Guest guest]

I've been waiting years for this. I was certain it was bound to happen. Love it

is putting it mildly. If I could dance a jig, I would.

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: Alan S. Petrillo

Cypress Consultants ;

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:13 AM

Subject: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

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You've just _got_ to love it!

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[Guest guest]

> > > I've been waiting years for this. I was certain it was bound to

> > happen. Love it is putting it mildly. If I could dance a jig, I

> > would.

> > > Ed

> >

> > Ed, I certainly don't think it is time to celebrate. Although

most of

> > this groups is against fast food our choices may soon be

affected.

> > They are attacking fast food on the grounds that it is too high

in

> > fat, not that it is the wrong kind of fat or that it is full of

sugar

> > and white flour. That could be a problem for us. There is talk of

> > taxing high fat foods, which of course would include butter (100%

> > fat) or walnuts (90% fat), or chickens that are not skinless, and

> > just about any meat that is more than 30% of calories from fat.

I've

> > already seen a poll where 36% of those polled where in favor of

it.

>

> On the other hand, how many people here actually obtain their

butter--

> which, by the way, is only about 80% fat--legally?

80% butterfat by weight. However, a one tablespoon serving of butter

is 110 calories. It has 12 grams of fat, zero grams of protien, and

zero grams of carbs. Therefore all calories are from fat. It is 100%

of calories from fat. That is the measure the " food police " use to

determine a food is healthy. That is how I get the figure for

walnuts. A one 1/4 cup (29 gram) serving is 20 grams of fat, 200

calories, 4 grams of carbs, 5 grams of protien. If you go by weight

by weight we have:

20 grams = 68.96% by weight of fat.

4 grams = 13.79 % by weight of carbs

5 grams = 17.24% by weight of protien

20 grams of fat x 9 calories per gram = 180 calories. Which is 90% of

200 calories from fat.

> Do you remember where you saw the poll? It's not that I can't

believe that

> 36% of the people in this country would be foolish enough to

support such a

> tax, but political organizations do have a habit of designing and

> conducting their polls in such a way as to bias the results in

their favor.

It was an on-line poll. I believe it was Netscape.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/28/02 2:22:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

h2ocolor@... writes:

> This is just the tip of the legal iceburg. Wait until the public

> fully realizes how all the PUFA's and high grain diets, recommended

> by many, many doctors, nutritionists, the government, etc., etc. has

> led to their poor health

What are PUFAs?

chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

> This is just the tip of the legal iceburg. Wait until the public

> fully realizes how all the PUFA's and high grain diets, recommended

> by many, many doctors, nutritionists, the government, etc., etc. has

> led to their poor health

What are PUFAs?

--->Poly Unsaturated Fatty Acids - those with more than one double bond.

EFAs are PUFAs, for example, as they have from two to six double bonds.

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

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mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

I agree. Let people become educated, not scream for laws.

The more we cry for control, the more we scream lawsuit, the more laws are set

down.

This give more and more power to the FDA, who in turn will have even more

control over what we can and cannot have. Is that what you want? Do you trust

that the FDA will make decisions based on your health and your rights to healthy

products? Do they have a past track record of doing what is in your best

interest?

I for one hope this is thrown out of court. Let people take responsibility for

their own lives, and let us choose what we want to buy and to eat.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Idol

Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:09 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

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>On a tangentially related note, I'd like to plug Stossel's upcoming

>report on the War on Drugs, which will air this Tuesday on ABC at 10:00 PM.

>This should give you a pretty good idea of what the War on Fat will look

>like thirty years from now if all goes according to plan.

We can hope, though, that the current nascent reversal in public opinion

about fat will continue to grow and topple the low-fat doctrine.

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[Guest guest]

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/07/27/Worldandnation/Obese_man_sues_fast_f.shtml

You've just _got_ to love it!

AP

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a career. Aviation is a way of life.

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[Guest guest]

Well I really think it is both, not one or the other. People definitely

need to become educated however if there is one thing that I would like to

see come out of these law suits is a law that says producers have to tell

the truth about what is in their products. For example food producers say

it is none of our business if their products contain GMOs so now there is

no labelling so the consumer has no way of knowing which products do and

which don't. The fast food industry may tell us how much fat and sugar is

in their burgers but can we get other information like what additives are

in the product? You can't get educated and make good choices if the

information is not available or if the producers lie about their products.

There is responsibility on both sides of the issue but it is always the

consumer's responsibility that is the focus.

Irene

At 07:02 AM 7/29/02, you wrote:

>I agree. Let people become educated, not scream for laws.

>

>The more we cry for control, the more we scream lawsuit, the more laws are

>set down.

>

>This give more and more power to the FDA, who in turn will have even more

>control over what we can and cannot have. Is that what you want? Do you

>trust that the FDA will make decisions based on your health and your

>rights to healthy products? Do they have a past track record of doing

>what is in your best interest?

>

>I for one hope this is thrown out of court. Let people take

>responsibility for their own lives, and let us choose what we want to buy

>and to eat.

>

>Kat

><http://www.katking.com>http://www.katking.com

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Idol

>

> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:09 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

>

>

> -

>

> >On a tangentially related note, I'd like to plug Stossel's upcoming

> >report on the War on Drugs, which will air this Tuesday on ABC at

> 10:00 PM.

> >This should give you a pretty good idea of what the War on Fat will look

> >like thirty years from now if all goes according to plan.

>

> We can hope, though, that the current nascent reversal in public opinion

> about fat will continue to grow and topple the low-fat doctrine.

>

>

>

>

> -

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alec, I agree that the suit against the fast food chains is for the wrong

reasons, but I think that, when lawyers start looking for reasons to sue those

wrecking our health, they will start questioning the eat-fat-makes-you fat

theory. At least, that's my hope.

Ed-

---- Original Message -----

From: alecwood

Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 6:58 PM

Subject: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

> I've been waiting years for this. I was certain it was bound to

happen. Love it is putting it mildly. If I could dance a jig, I

would.

> Ed

Ed, I certainly don't think it is time to celebrate. Although most of

this groups is against fast food our choices may soon be affected.

They are attacking fast food on the grounds that it is too high in

fat, not that it is the wrong kind of fat or that it is full of sugar

and white flour. That could be a problem for us. There is talk of

taxing high fat foods, which of course would include butter (100%

fat) or walnuts (90% fat), or chickens that are not skinless, and

just about any meat that is more than 30% of calories from fat. I've

already seen a poll where 36% of those polled where in favor of it.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/29/02 1:03:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill@...

writes:

> It was an on-line poll. I believe it was Netscape.

online polls are worthless.

thank heavens!

chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

I agree we should become educated not scream for laws, but the trouble is that

the giant conglomerates that dominate the country now have an iron grip on the

media. That's why Price is never mentioned in the media. His ideas will destroy

the profits of huge businesses, such as the producers of junk food, the fast

food restaurants, the agribusinesses that have destroyed most of our small

farmers, etc. I hope some law suits will curb the junk food producers the way

law suits have curbed the tobacco industry.

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: Katanne1890

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

I agree. Let people become educated, not scream for laws.

The more we cry for control, the more we scream lawsuit, the more laws are set

down.

This give more and more power to the FDA, who in turn will have even more

control over what we can and cannot have. Is that what you want? Do you trust

that the FDA will make decisions based on your health and your rights to healthy

products? Do they have a past track record of doing what is in your best

interest?

I for one hope this is thrown out of court. Let people take responsibility

for their own lives, and let us choose what we want to buy and to eat.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Idol

Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:09 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

-

>On a tangentially related note, I'd like to plug Stossel's upcoming

>report on the War on Drugs, which will air this Tuesday on ABC at 10:00 PM.

>This should give you a pretty good idea of what the War on Fat will look

>like thirty years from now if all goes according to plan.

We can hope, though, that the current nascent reversal in public opinion

about fat will continue to grow and topple the low-fat doctrine.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed,

That's true, but have you EVER met anyone who really believed that fast food was

actually nutritious?

" The giant conglomerates that dominate the country now have an iron grip on the

media " would love for us to put up a stink so they can be " humanitarian " and fix

the problem with more laws. Yeah! FDA to the rescue again.

If we want to make reforms, we need to begin in the schools. Have you ever

noticed what they feed the kids? And they teach the kids this food is

nutritious.

Or, how about educating the hospitals? They are notorious for bad food. Seems

they don't think nutrition is important when ill or injured.

How about trying to educate the doctors? Many seem to believe that the only

deficiency women have are hormones, Prozac, and valium.

On the other hand, I have met people who were told that if they did not change

their diet they would die, and they refused to give up their foods...and they

died. Again, personal choice and responsibility.

The job looks overwhelming, so what do I do. My best, and hope it is an example

that others will want to follow.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Darmohray

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:44 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

I agree we should become educated not scream for laws, but the trouble is that

the giant conglomerates that dominate the country now have an iron grip on the

media. That's why Price is never mentioned in the media. His ideas will destroy

the profits of huge businesses, such as the producers of junk food, the fast

food restaurants, the agribusinesses that have destroyed most of our small

farmers, etc. I hope some law suits will curb the junk food producers the way

law suits have curbed the tobacco industry.

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: Katanne1890

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

I agree. Let people become educated, not scream for laws.

The more we cry for control, the more we scream lawsuit, the more laws are

set down.

This give more and more power to the FDA, who in turn will have even more

control over what we can and cannot have. Is that what you want? Do you trust

that the FDA will make decisions based on your health and your rights to healthy

products? Do they have a past track record of doing what is in your best

interest?

I for one hope this is thrown out of court. Let people take responsibility

for their own lives, and let us choose what we want to buy and to eat.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Idol

Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:09 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

-

>On a tangentially related note, I'd like to plug Stossel's upcoming

>report on the War on Drugs, which will air this Tuesday on ABC at 10:00

PM.

>This should give you a pretty good idea of what the War on Fat will look

>like thirty years from now if all goes according to plan.

We can hope, though, that the current nascent reversal in public opinion

about fat will continue to grow and topple the low-fat doctrine.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat,

I agree entirely that we need to educated children, the doctors, etc. But the

media plays a major role in shaping public opinion, and we have a free press in

name only. By that I mean, the gov can't control the media, but the owners can,

and they're the giant conglomerates who are poisoning people with their junk

food and junk meds. Big business doesn't permit info contrary to their

interests. Even the med journal editors say they can't stay in business without

their advertisers, and they complain about improper influence.

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: Katanne1890

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:59 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

Hi Ed,

That's true, but have you EVER met anyone who really believed that fast food

was actually nutritious?

" The giant conglomerates that dominate the country now have an iron grip on

the media " would love for us to put up a stink so they can be " humanitarian " and

fix the problem with more laws. Yeah! FDA to the rescue again.

If we want to make reforms, we need to begin in the schools. Have you ever

noticed what they feed the kids? And they teach the kids this food is

nutritious.

Or, how about educating the hospitals? They are notorious for bad food.

Seems they don't think nutrition is important when ill or injured.

How about trying to educate the doctors? Many seem to believe that the only

deficiency women have are hormones, Prozac, and valium.

On the other hand, I have met people who were told that if they did not change

their diet they would die, and they refused to give up their foods...and they

died. Again, personal choice and responsibility.

The job looks overwhelming, so what do I do. My best, and hope it is an

example that others will want to follow.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Darmohray

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:44 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

I agree we should become educated not scream for laws, but the trouble is

that the giant conglomerates that dominate the country now have an iron grip on

the media. That's why Price is never mentioned in the media. His ideas will

destroy the profits of huge businesses, such as the producers of junk food, the

fast food restaurants, the agribusinesses that have destroyed most of our small

farmers, etc. I hope some law suits will curb the junk food producers the way

law suits have curbed the tobacco industry.

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: Katanne1890

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

I agree. Let people become educated, not scream for laws.

The more we cry for control, the more we scream lawsuit, the more laws are

set down.

This give more and more power to the FDA, who in turn will have even more

control over what we can and cannot have. Is that what you want? Do you trust

that the FDA will make decisions based on your health and your rights to healthy

products? Do they have a past track record of doing what is in your best

interest?

I for one hope this is thrown out of court. Let people take

responsibility for their own lives, and let us choose what we want to buy and to

eat.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Idol

Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:09 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Obese Man Sues Fast Food Chains

-

>On a tangentially related note, I'd like to plug Stossel's

upcoming

>report on the War on Drugs, which will air this Tuesday on ABC at 10:00

PM.

>This should give you a pretty good idea of what the War on Fat will

look

>like thirty years from now if all goes according to plan.

We can hope, though, that the current nascent reversal in public opinion

about fat will continue to grow and topple the low-fat doctrine.

-