Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 In a message dated 8/2/2002 8:31:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, allenerob@... writes: > on a more serious note: > < When I have more time, I will write up how I inadvertently cured > myself of a long-held multi-faceted anxiety/panic/phobia disorder > with this diet> > > here i have to sigh in frustration. i have been banging my head > against the wall trying to get my father to let me try to heal > precisely that problem in my mother using this diet. the problem is > that my mother will only eat what my father eats, and, since my > father thinks that he is doing " just fine " with Cheerios every single > day.... > Hello all, I would love to hear from anyone who has found NT to help with psychological disorders. Most of my immediate family, including myself, has struggled with depression for years. Most of us are more than a little sociophobic. I am new to NT and hope that it willhave more of an effect on my emotional well-being than macrobiotics/low-fat/high carb did. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 Hi , I have extensive experience in myself, and 100's of others, with seeing a complete turn around in depression, psychosis, neurosis, and panic disorders, as well as physical disorders through nutrition. The main culprits are sugar, corn and grains (all grains). However, at a certain point other foods can also trigger problems. Sugar was first introduced to France in about the 1600's, and was only used as a drug, it also was known to be " mind altering. " Dr. Bernard Jensen, the father of iridology, has written a number of books on nutrition. In one of his books he tells the story of Jennings, the man most famous in the 1930's as pro-prohibition. Here is a man who is a fanatic about limiting everyone's access to alcohol, but you know what his death certificate says he died of? Alcoholic stomach. He NEVER drank alcohol but was a sugar addict. I had a dear friend who was/is a sugar addict, and would go into blackouts after eating sugar and had 4 car accidents in 4 years. She now " controls " her sugar blackouts with insulin shots....it works some of the time. At 5 feet 1 inch, over 300 pounds and gaining, she probably won't live much longer. Sugar addicts go into rages, same as alcoholics. Sugar addicts become depressed, self center, self-pitying, and suicidal, same as alcoholics. Sugar addicts have mood swings, unstable relationships, and destructive tendencies, just like alcoholics. Sugar/food addicts just can't stop eating, just like alcoholics can't stop drinking. It is not about will power, it is an addiction = allergy of the body coupled with obsession of the mind. Sugar is associated with candida infection, which is also mind altering. Once we become sensitive/allergic/addicted, these things are not limited to just sugar. Foods that easily convert to sugar/alcohol in our systems begin to cause problems, then we develop leaky gut and have problems with other food and environmental pollutants. This is a very brief description. Most of the people I have worked with say that recovering from food addiction is the hardest thing they have ever done. I read one book that says sugar addiction is harder to break than heroin addiction! One little saying helps me a lot: Curb your appetites and achieve your desires! Each time I think I don't really have a problem, or that this little bit won't be a problem, I remember what I really want and focus on that instead of the food. Most of the time it works! If you are having problems with food addiction, high protein diets work wonders. It takes about 30 days to see a big difference. It is also very helpful to get involved in a group that will support you. The 12 Step groups are wonderful...they are free..and I have found the most effective. They are just one person who has " been there and done that " and has a Ph.D. in suffering and recovery, helping someone new. Hope this helps Kat http://www.katking.com ---Original Message----- > Hello all, I would love to hear from anyone who has found NT to help with psychological disorders. Most of my immediate family, including myself, has struggled with depression for years. Most of us are more than a little sociophobic. I am new to NT and hope that it willhave more of an effect on my emotional well-being than macrobiotics/low-fat/high carb did. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 > In a message dated 8/2/2002 8:31:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > allenerob@a... writes: > > > on a more serious note: > > < When I have more time, I will write up how I inadvertently cured > > myself of a long-held multi-faceted anxiety/panic/phobia disorder > > with this diet> > > > > here i have to sigh in frustration. i have been banging my head > > against the wall trying to get my father to let me try to heal > > precisely that problem in my mother using this diet. the problem is > > that my mother will only eat what my father eats, and, since my > > father thinks that he is doing " just fine " with Cheerios every single > > day.... > > > > Hello all, > I would love to hear from anyone who has found NT to help with psychological > disorders. Most of my immediate family, including myself, has struggled with > depression for years. Most of us are more than a little sociophobic. I am > new to NT and hope that it willhave more of an effect on my emotional > well-being than macrobiotics/low-fat/high carb did. > > Thanks, > > > , Yes, low fat diets have been link to depression. In fact the dirty secret of low fat diets is that although in a few studies - not many, there has been a decrease in death rates do to heart disease, the overall death rate in the low fat treatment group is higher do to increased deaths from all causes, including Suicide and Accidents. When I was on a low fat diet a coworker suggested I get on Zoloft. What is most important is the complete elimination of sugar in all forms and white processed flour and white rice products. A great book to read is Sugar Blues. Written by Dufty, it was inspired by the late actress Gloria Swanson. The author lays out the evidence of the increase in many diseases, both physical disorders and mental disorders, since the introduction of sugar and white flour about 400 years ago. Depending on the severity of your situation you may need to do a little more. There is some good information on www.mercola.com. Wednesday's newsletter had an article ineffectiveness of antidepressants. Search for EFT - Emotional Freedom Technique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 > Hi , > > I have extensive experience in myself, and 100's of others, with seeing a complete turn around in depression, psychosis, neurosis, and panic disorders, as well as physical disorders through nutrition. > > The main culprits are sugar, corn and grains (all grains). However, at a certain point other foods can also trigger problems. > > Sugar was first introduced to France in about the 1600's, and was only used as a drug, it also was known to be " mind altering. " > > Dr. Bernard Jensen, the father of iridology, has written a number of books on nutrition. In one of his books he tells the story of Jennings, the man most famous in the 1930's as pro- prohibition. Here is a man who is a fanatic about limiting everyone's access to alcohol, but you know what his death certificate says he died of? Alcoholic stomach. He NEVER drank alcohol but was a sugar addict. > > I had a dear friend who was/is a sugar addict, and would go into blackouts after eating sugar and had 4 car accidents in 4 years. She now " controls " her sugar blackouts with insulin shots....it works some of the time. At 5 feet 1 inch, over 300 pounds and gaining, she probably won't live much longer. > > Sugar addicts go into rages, same as alcoholics. > > Sugar addicts become depressed, self center, self-pitying, and suicidal, same as alcoholics. > > Sugar addicts have mood swings, unstable relationships, and destructive tendencies, just like alcoholics. > > Sugar/food addicts just can't stop eating, just like alcoholics can't stop drinking. It is not about will power, it is an addiction = allergy of the body coupled with obsession of the mind. > > Sugar is associated with candida infection, which is also mind altering. > > Once we become sensitive/allergic/addicted, these things are not limited to just sugar. Foods that easily convert to sugar/alcohol in our systems begin to cause problems, then we develop leaky gut and have problems with other food and environmental pollutants. > > This is a very brief description. Most of the people I have worked with say that recovering from food addiction is the hardest thing they have ever done. I read one book that says sugar addiction is harder to break than heroin addiction! > > One little saying helps me a lot: Curb your appetites and achieve your desires! Each time I think I don't really have a problem, or that this little bit won't be a problem, I remember what I really want and focus on that instead of the food. Most of the time it works! > > If you are having problems with food addiction, high protein diets work wonders. It takes about 30 days to see a big difference. > > It is also very helpful to get involved in a group that will support you. The 12 Step groups are wonderful...they are free..and I have found the most effective. They are just one person who has " been there and done that " and has a Ph.D. in suffering and recovery, helping someone new. > > Hope this helps > > Kat > http://www.katking.com > If you are a real sugar addict, giving it up makes you feel awfull for a week to several weeks. Perhaps many people give up because they think they are doing the wrong thing. You have to stick it out even if you need to call in sick at work. Sometimes you are weaker than the worst case of the flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 I was just reading a site that turned up with another topic today and found this: " American nutritional psychologist Ross, MA, has written her own low-carb friendly book The Diet Cure (15). Though not specifically a low-carb book, Ross’ work definitely leans towards a lower carb diet in helping to balance brain chemistry and maintain health. " http://www.powerhealth.net/articles6.htm The " balance brain chemistry " caught my eye there is some very informative writing on this site. i will get several hours of reading from it. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 ---Isn't it necessary to gradually cut down on the sweeteners and caffein? A few months ago I tried to stop lots of the sugars (pop and white flour) and started getting fuzzy brain feeling, or so it seems like the worst description of the feeling. So I gave up(started eating white flour and drinking pop again) and that fuzzy feeling has gone away. I'm not sure if the processed CHO's are the problem but I know I consume lots of them relative to protein and fat . They provide quick energy (what is it 9kcal/gram)on hot days when it's very convenient to grab a pop instead of cooking. Any ideas for gradual elimination of sugars? How about watering the sodas down? And if you completely quit sugars/ processed CHO's OR reduce processed CHO's what do you replace them with for " brain food " ? Are we back to MCT,avocadoes, coconut, liver, whole milk,butter,squash,cucumbers, raw meat, and eggs? I will add I wasn't eating all these to replace pop and white flour a few months ago. The brain needs energy? to function!! I quickly tired of that lousy feeling and I needed energy cause I had/have lots of work to do. I've read this sight for 3 or more months since last " trying " the reduced processed CHO's so I'll do it again when the weather cools. I could be more informed now than then. Thanks. Dennis In @y..., " alecwood " <bill@o...> wrote: > --- In @y..., " Katanne1890 " <katanne1890@m...> wrote: > > Hi , > > > > I have extensive experience in myself, and 100's of others, with > seeing a complete turn around in depression, psychosis, neurosis, and > panic disorders, as well as physical disorders through nutrition. > > > > The main culprits are sugar, corn and grains (all grains). > However, at a certain point other foods can also trigger problems. > > > > Sugar was first introduced to France in about the 1600's, and was > only used as a drug, it also was known to be " mind altering. " > > > ><><<><><>Much of Kat's clipped here by Dennis<>><><><><><><><><>< > > Hope this helps > > > > Kat > > http://www.katking.com > > > > If you are a real sugar addict, giving it up makes you feel awfull > for a week to several weeks. Perhaps many people give up because they > think they are doing the wrong thing. You have to stick it out even > if you need to call in sick at work. Sometimes you are weaker than > the worst case of the flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 My experience has been that if you are a real addict, cutting down won't happen. With the best of intentions, most people have the same experience you describe, they cut back only to find they are back where they started. You either quit and sweat out the detox (which is an indication of addiction) or you stay addicted. And, you are right about the detox, it is rough! There is no easy way out. It is very painful. However, if you focus on the pain, and the cause of the pain, it may help you to stay away from those foods in the future. Sugar is like alcohol and drugs, one BITE and you can be off and running, unable to stop. This is hard to comprehend for people who are not addicted. It is also why I recommend getting to a support group as it is almost impossible to quit by yourself....the foggy brain keeps you in a place where only a severe experience can give you the resolve to quit (called hitting bottom). Most don't make it, THEY DIE. Sound dramatic? Just one example is: How many people do you know who have diabetes and won't give up their junk foods? For others it may be candida triggers cancer or some other disease. Others it may be depression so severe that suicide becomes their only answer. And for still others it may be mini-sugar blackouts that cause accidents. And the list goes on and on and on. Did I scare you? I hope so. If you are a sugar addict this may save your life! Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: dkemnitz2000 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: Re: NT and depression ---Isn't it necessary to gradually cut down on the sweeteners and caffein? A few months ago I tried to stop lots of the sugars (pop and white flour) and started getting fuzzy brain feeling, or so it seems like the worst description of the feeling. So I gave up(started eating white flour and drinking pop again) and that fuzzy feeling has gone away. I'm not sure if the processed CHO's are the problem but I know I consume lots of them relative to protein and fat . They provide quick energy (what is it 9kcal/gram)on hot days when it's very convenient to grab a pop instead of cooking. Any ideas for gradual elimination of sugars? How about watering the sodas down? And if you completely quit sugars/ processed CHO's OR reduce processed CHO's what do you replace them with for " brain food " ? Are we back to MCT,avocadoes, coconut, liver, whole milk,butter,squash,cucumbers, raw meat, and eggs? I will add I wasn't eating all these to replace pop and white flour a few months ago. The brain needs energy? to function!! I quickly tired of that lousy feeling and I needed energy cause I had/have lots of work to do. I've read this sight for 3 or more months since last " trying " the reduced processed CHO's so I'll do it again when the weather cools. I could be more informed now than then. Thanks. Dennis In @y..., " alecwood " <bill@o...> wrote: > > > Hi , > > > > I have extensive experience in myself, and 100's of others, with > seeing a complete turn around in depression, psychosis, neurosis, and > panic disorders, as well as physical disorders through nutrition. > > > > The main culprits are sugar, corn and grains (all grains). > However, at a certain point other foods can also trigger problems. > > > > Sugar was first introduced to France in about the 1600's, and was > only used as a drug, it also was known to be " mind altering. " > > > ><><<><><>Much of Kat's clipped here by Dennis<>><><><><><><><><>< > > Hope this helps > > > > Kat > > http://www.katking.com > > > > If you are a real sugar addict, giving it up makes you feel awfull > for a week to several weeks. Perhaps many people give up because they > think they are doing the wrong thing. You have to stick it out even > if you need to call in sick at work. Sometimes you are weaker than > the worst case of the flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 At 04:21 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all, >I would love to hear from anyone who has found NT to help with psychological >disorders. Most of my immediate family, including myself, has struggled with >depression for years. Most of us are more than a little sociophobic. I am >new to NT and hope that it willhave more of an effect on my emotional >well-being than macrobiotics/low-fat/high carb did. > >Thanks, > > IMO, a lot of depression is related to allergy, specifically gluten. There is a lot of research on this: in Europe, a person who comes in for depression is routinely tested for wheat intolerance. Anyway, it's an easy fix: after struggling with depression and anxiety for years, it suddenly packed it's bags and left after I quit the stuff! I've heard plenty of similar stories to convince me it's worth a shot. I don't have much info on the other intolerances that may cause it, I'm just guessing there. But the macrobiotic diets often include things like soy sauce, which DO have gluten, and hi carb diets do too. Also, polyunsaturated fats are bad for the brain. As a one-size-fits all solution, I'd start with a meat and vegie diet for a week or two and see what happens. No dairy, no grains, nothing processed, lots of good fat. And some fermented vegies if you have them. Nice rare steak if you like it (it digests well). Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 At 11:24 PM 8/2/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Isn't it necessary to gradually cut down on the sweeteners and >caffein? A few months ago I tried to stop lots of the sugars (pop and >white flour) and started getting fuzzy brain feeling, or so it seems >like the worst description of the feeling. Dennis: CHO's and gluten are both addicting. Gluten does in fact become an opiate in the system, at least for some people. When I gave it up I became totally brain dead for days. Which convinced me it was a bigger deal than I thought (I still ate plenty of CHO's, to keep the experiment " pure " ). Corn may do the same thing for a different set of people. Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 Hmm, this is a really awful suggestion, but if it comes down to it, try coffee? Wouldn't want to get in that _habit_, BUT, you need less sugar per brain-energy dose. Coffee lasts a lot longer than sugar in those terms, and so perhaps it is better to have one or two coffees than 5 or 6 sodas. chris In a message dated 8/2/02 7:24:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dkemnitz2000@... writes: > ---Isn't it necessary to gradually cut down on the sweeteners and > caffein? A few months ago I tried to stop lots of the sugars (pop and > white flour) and started getting fuzzy brain feeling, or so it seems > like the worst description of the feeling. So I gave up(started > eating white flour and drinking pop again) and that fuzzy feeling has > gone away. I'm not sure if the processed CHO's are the problem but I > know I consume lots of them relative to protein and fat . They provide > quick energy (what is it 9kcal/gram)on hot days when it's very > convenient to grab a pop instead of cooking. Any ideas for gradual > elimination of sugars? How about watering the sodas down? And if you > completely quit sugars/ processed CHO's OR reduce processed CHO's what > do you replace them with for " brain food " ? Are we back to > MCT,avocadoes, coconut, liver, whole milk,butter,squash,cucumbers, > raw meat, and eggs? I will add I wasn't eating all these to replace > pop and white flour a few months ago. The brain needs energy? to > function!! I quickly tired of that lousy feeling and I needed energy > cause I had/have lots of work to do. I've read this sight for 3 or > more months since last " trying " the reduced processed CHO's so I'll > do it again when the weather cools. I could be more informed now than > then. Thanks. Dennis > ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 heidis@... writes: > Also, polyunsaturated fats are bad for the brain. As a one-size-fits > all solution, I'd start with a meat and vegie diet for a week or two and > see > what happens. No dairy, no grains, nothing processed, lots of good fat. > And some fermented vegies if you have them. Nice rare steak if you like > it (it digests well). > Thanks for the suggestion. I was going to try just that diet this week, save the lack of dairy. Why do you suggest cutting out dairy? Because I might be allergic to it? The only dairy I use besides butter is kefir and yogurt, to keep the candida in check. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 >>>Also, polyunsaturated fats are bad for the brain. ------->I don't know about the other PUFAs, but DHA is *essential* for the brain - i believe the brain has one of the highest concentrations of DHA in the body. Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 Caffeine is just another addictive substance and is just as hard on the already overworked adrenals. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ChrisMasterjohn@... Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:11 AM Subject: Re: Re: NT and depression Hmm, this is a really awful suggestion, but if it comes down to it, try coffee? Wouldn't want to get in that _habit_, BUT, you need less sugar per brain-energy dose. Coffee lasts a lot longer than sugar in those terms, and so perhaps it is better to have one or two coffees than 5 or 6 sodas. chris In a message dated 8/2/02 7:24:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dkemnitz2000@... writes: > ---Isn't it necessary to gradually cut down on the sweeteners and > caffein? A few months ago I tried to stop lots of the sugars (pop and > white flour) and started getting fuzzy brain feeling, or so it seems > like the worst description of the feeling. So I gave up(started > eating white flour and drinking pop again) and that fuzzy feeling has > gone away. I'm not sure if the processed CHO's are the problem but I > know I consume lots of them relative to protein and fat . They provide > quick energy (what is it 9kcal/gram)on hot days when it's very > convenient to grab a pop instead of cooking. Any ideas for gradual > elimination of sugars? How about watering the sodas down? And if you > completely quit sugars/ processed CHO's OR reduce processed CHO's what > do you replace them with for " brain food " ? Are we back to > MCT,avocadoes, coconut, liver, whole milk,butter,squash,cucumbers, > raw meat, and eggs? I will add I wasn't eating all these to replace > pop and white flour a few months ago. The brain needs energy? to > function!! I quickly tired of that lousy feeling and I needed energy > cause I had/have lots of work to do. I've read this sight for 3 or > more months since last " trying " the reduced processed CHO's so I'll > do it again when the weather cools. I could be more informed now than > then. Thanks. Dennis > ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 At 10:15 AM 8/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for the suggestion. I was going to try just that diet this week, save >the lack of dairy. Why do you suggest cutting out dairy? Because I might be >allergic to it? The only dairy I use besides butter is kefir and yogurt, to >keep the candida in check. > >Thanks, > > Casein and gluten are both implicated as " opioids " for some people -- this showed up first in Autistic kids. Some kids get better, cured even, if they avoid those two. You don't have to be allergic for this to be a problem. I don't think it is well-understood either: but, it's an easy test. The idea is basically to avoid all the foods that are " problematic " and see if it helps. If it does, then add the foods back gradually. For my son, I put him on a rice-only diet for 2 days when he was having problems, then added stuff back day by day. My hubby did a similar thing, but he did meat and whole veggies for a week or two 'til he felt " stable " , then started adding stuff back. Both of them are much happier now, though they were not clinically depressed before (their problems were gut-oriented). The comments about " withdrawal symptoms " are true though: the " opioid " reaction is decidedly and addiction (just like to opium, it is the same receptors in the brain). I react this way to gluten for sure, and to cheddar cheese I think, but not to goat cheese. And sugar can certainly be an issue too: I was not eating it much when I was depressed so I never " gave it up " . But I do eat fewer carbs now and I always combine them with protein and fat, and eat small meals more often, to keep the blood sugar stable. Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 At 08:47 AM 8/3/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Heidi, >I can vouch for everything you say about gluten as I've been on that path >since 1995. I came down with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) combined with >sever iron and B12 deficiency. going on a gluten free diet was my first >step to recovery. it also provided the biggest impact in terms of getting >'my life' back. gluten for me was/is definitely addictive. at times I felt >'deprived' and thought 'oh why can't I eat like everybody else' and would >succumb and have some bread and found it nearly impossible to stop eating >it. It's an easy fix, if it works -- except that our world revolves around gluten so you have to change your whole diet. Less of a problem in THIS group though, no one eats " normal " to begin with :-) >what however is CHO? am I missing something?... Carbs. I don't know where the abbreviation came from! >TIA > >Dedy > Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 --- In @y..., Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@t...> > >what however is CHO? am I missing something?... > > Carbs. I don't know where the abbreviation came from! > I think it's for Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen, which are the components of carbohydrates in various proportions. (I think glucose is C6H12O6 - numbers should be written as subscripts.) martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 At 10:37 PM 8/3/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I think it's for Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen, which are the components of >carbohydrates in various proportions. (I think glucose is C6H12O6 - >numbers should be written as subscripts.) > > >martha Thanks Martha! I think I'll whip up a big batch of Carbon-Hydrogen-Oxygen for dessert tonight! Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Dennis- >A few months ago I tried to stop lots of the sugars (pop and >white flour) and started getting fuzzy brain feeling, Sounds to me like you probably have a fairly severe candida overgrowth problem, and when you abruptly cut off its food source the candida made you very uncomfortable. If you want to kick the sugar/refined carb habit one important thing to do is to increase the amount of saturated animal fat you eat as you decrease the refined carbs you consume. Another is to take probiotics to help choke out the candida and restore a natural balance to your digestive tract. Another is to take things which will help kill off the candida overgrowth without harming you in the process. Coconut oil can help a lot with that, as can a variety of herbs. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 I just finished reading about food combining. It says that we shouldn't be eating fruits with proteins and fats. That they should be eaten alone. The reason is that when combined with protein and fat, the fruit ferments in the stomach, causing distress (gas, etc.) Any comments on this? --- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote: > At 10:15 AM 8/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Thanks for the suggestion. I was going to try just > that diet this week, save > >the lack of dairy. Why do you suggest cutting out > dairy? Because I might be > >allergic to it? The only dairy I use besides > butter is kefir and yogurt, to > >keep the candida in check. > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > Casein and gluten are both implicated as " opioids " > for some people -- this > showed up first in Autistic kids. Some kids get > better, cured even, if they > avoid those two. You don't have to be allergic for > this to be a problem. > I don't think it is well-understood either: but, > it's an easy test. The idea > is basically to avoid all the foods that are > " problematic " and see if it helps. > If it does, then add the foods back gradually. > > For my son, I put him on a rice-only diet for 2 days > when he was having > problems, then added stuff back day by day. My hubby > did a similar thing, > but he did meat and whole veggies for a week or two > 'til he felt " stable " , then > started adding stuff back. Both of them are much > happier now, though they > were not clinically depressed before (their problems > were gut-oriented). > > The comments about " withdrawal symptoms " are true > though: the " opioid " reaction > is decidedly and addiction (just like to opium, it > is the same receptors > in the brain). I react this way to gluten for sure, > and to cheddar cheese I > think, > but not to goat cheese. > > And sugar can certainly be an issue too: I was not > eating it much when I > was depressed so I never " gave it up " . But I do eat > fewer carbs now and > I always combine them with protein and fat, and eat > small meals more > often, to keep the blood sugar stable. > > > Heidi > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 - >I just finished reading about food combining. It says >that we shouldn't be eating fruits with proteins and >fats. That they should be eaten alone. The reason is >that when combined with protein and fat, the fruit >ferments in the stomach, causing distress (gas, etc.) I doubt it for a couple reasons. First, if you eat fruit without protein and/or fat (particularly fat) you're not going to have anything to slow down the absorption of sugar, and though fruit isn't in the same league as white sugar, it has been bred to be much sweeter than it would be in nature. Second, fruit alone is eminently fermentable. We deliberately ferment fruit all the time, to make wine and other forms of alcohol. The degree to which fruit is fermented in the gut is determined by the health of the gut (and the type of flora in the gut, which is closely tied to its health) and to the quality of the diet. Fermentative digestion is impaired digestion and is both a symptom and a cause of ill health. Consumption of bad carbs (and probably overconsumption of carbs period) is the cause. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 , you wrote - > > ... take things which will help kill off the candida > overgrowth without harming you in the process. Coconut oil can help a lot with that, as can a variety of herbs.> can you tell us which herbs? TIA Dedy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Olive Leaf extract and Oregano Oil both help. At 11:04 PM 8/3/02, you wrote: >, you wrote - > > > > > ... take things which will help kill off the candida > > overgrowth without harming you in the process. Coconut oil can help a lot >with that, as can a variety of herbs.> > >can you tell us which herbs? > >TIA > >Dedy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 At 10:36 PM 8/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I just finished reading about food combining. It says >that we shouldn't be eating fruits with proteins and >fats. That they should be eaten alone. The reason is >that when combined with protein and fat, the fruit >ferments in the stomach, causing distress (gas, etc.) > >Any comments on this? Only that I just don't agree. Or maybe it *would* ferment badly if I didn't eat kimchi all the time. The stomach is supposed to ferment food, but there aren't supposed to be yeast living in there. Lacto-fermentation doesn't produce gas, or at least not much. Yeast does, esp. the bakers kind of yeast (designed to make bread rise! Making gas is what it does best!). I've heard people make the distinction between " fermentation " as acid, and " putrification " as alkaline. I know if my compost container has acid/lacto in it (kefir) it does not stink. If it does not, or I add baking soda, it gets horrid. Maybe if you eat kefir and kimchi your gut gets more acid so the food combining doesn't hurt anything -- and most cultures do in fact combine food, AND eat lots of lacto-fermented stuff. Eating lacto fermented stuff drops your gut PH, or so I've heard, and it seems logical. Or maybe most Americans are full of yeast so they have more problems? Or maybe it's a different kind of yeast (kefir has yeast, but it doesn't seem to be a problem). Or maybe it is the sheer quantity of a certain kind of carb that is the problem. Or maybe a lot of people have low stomach acid. Your stomach is supposed to be very acidic, but people take Tums and Prilosec too much, which would encourage the baddies. Anyway, if I eat fruit and nothing else I get other problems, mostly blood-sugar related. Fruit plus meat and fat works fine. Starches work about the same as fruit when it comes to fermentation, so if you can't eat fruit and meat, then you shouldn't eat a potato with your steak either. But if you are basing this on " tradition " , most cultures do combine meat and fruit or starch. And few humans will naturally eat starch by itself without at least some fat ( " dry toast " was considered a punishment, not a treat! Until people decided low-fat was good.). Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Heidi- >I know if my compost container has >acid/lacto in it (kefir) it does not stink. Just a little OT note: something's wrong in your compost container if it stinks without kefir. Are you perhaps dumping meat or fat into it? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 A lot of people also have had success with Pau de Arco. Also, the grapefruit seed extract GSE (or full strength Citricidal) has many clinical trials that indicate its effectiveness. I HATE the taste so I put it on my skin (over abdomen or thighs not on delicate areas) and allow it to be transdermally absorbed into my bloodstream, seems to work great! Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Musiol Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: NT and depression Olive Leaf extract and Oregano Oil both help. At 11:04 PM 8/3/02, you wrote: >, you wrote - > > > > > ... take things which will help kill off the candida > > overgrowth without harming you in the process. Coconut oil can help a lot >with that, as can a variety of herbs.> > >can you tell us which herbs? > >TIA > >Dedy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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