Re: vegan diet and brest cancer

[Guest guest]

At 01:44 AM 7/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>I am recommending kefir and other lacto-fermented foods, raw milk and

>butter and all organic vegetables and a few fruits. I have read the

>people with cancer lack digstive juices and their intestinal flora is

>unbalanced. Lacto-fermented foods should help with that problem.

>My sister-in-laws sister has stage IV breast cancer is is looking for

>anything that may put her into remission. If you know of other places

>I could do some research to pass along, my family would greatly

>appreciate the help.

Kefiran is rumored to be a good anti-cancer agent. Check Dom's

site or the kefir-making group. Some folks chew the

grains (the extras) for the anti-cancer properties. Beta-glucan,

I've also heard, can help. Dom also I think recommends some

herbs.

It is interesting to me that the people who claim to have

recovered from cancer are either vegan or eat lots of meat.

Makes me wonder what the common factors are. Part of it

might be the bacteria. There was an interesting case I heard

about that happened in the 1800's or early 1900's. A guy had melanoma,

and was basically dying. But then he got a bad case of

food poisoning. The doctor pulled him through the food

poisoning -- but after that, he went into remission. There

is a theory that when the body is exposed to lots of bacteria

it does something to the immune system (kick-starts it). A

doctor recently tried inducing a mild form of the same

food poisoning in melanoma patients, with good results.

I wish I had more information on it: I'm not sure if

it is a rumor or a good study, but it sounds promising.

>I know I have been sending a lot of requests lately. I hope that is

>okay?

Personally, I love hearing the answers! Nothing better for

a good discussion than a good question.

Heidi

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From: h2ocolor1937 <h2ocolor@...>

I am curious to

> know if anyone has heard of people with cancer getting better by

> including raw meats, fish and raw grass fed beef or any other meats

> for that matter.

### There is a book called We Want to Live by Aajonus Vonderplanitz who

writes about a woman named Owanza who cured herself with raw foods including

all kinds of raw meats. In his book he claims that she had terminal cancer,

but was able to put it into remission. However, she continued to discard

tumors, particle by particle for years. You can leave a message for him at

310-226-7055 or e-mail him at optimal@... You can see more

information on him on this website at http://www.primaldiet.com/ He also

claims to have had cancer.

I don't have cancer, but another disease. I did start off with the vegan

diet and was able to put my condition into remission with the vegan diet.

But, I was able to make more improvements once I started adding meats back

into my diet. I was pretty strict vegan for two years during which time I

became B12 deficient. Upon eating meats again (I started with raw fish, raw

butter, and raw goat cheese.) my condition made a significant improvement.

Maybe I didn't have to go the vegan route, but I certainly think it did help

clean up my system from all the junk I ate before my disease got out of

control.

Hope this helps,

Marla

[Guest guest]

There was an article in last months Townshend Letter for Doctors and Patients

about probiotics and cancer.

Chris

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" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

Hi

I am very, very interested in reading this article on probiotics and

cancer. I could not track it down at their web site so I have written

to them for help in finding it. Thanks for the tip.

I can not help but think that more often than not, during most illnes

and certainly before a person becomes ill, the whole digestive system

must be out of balance. Digestion is crucial for positive health.

This is why I have worked so hard to correct my own imbalances. It

has been worth all the effort.

Sheila

> There was an article in last months Townshend Letter for Doctors

and Patients

> about probiotics and cancer.

>

> Chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion?

It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings,

birds, and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the

sight of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and

intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them

unable to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any

creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for

enemies of the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian