Re: coconut oil and gall bladder

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Joy-

>After changing my diet to include eggs every morning

>with coconut oil on top, I started to have diahrrea daily.

Try an enzyme supplement. I use Lipanase from Labs, and it's made

a HUGE difference in my life. In fact, though I at first feared it would

render me dependent on an external source of enzymes, I've discovered that

as I've switched to better and better foods (and more raw animal foods) I

actually need it less. I take one with all my cooked meals, but if I'm

eating raw-dairy yoghurt, raw cheese, raw meat, or anything like that, I

skip the enzyme pill.

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[Guest guest]

At 01:15 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>This is good to know. After changing my diet to include eggs every morning

>with coconut oil on top, I started to have diahrrea daily. Apparantly, my

>gall bladder is not functioning efficiently. I cut out most of the eggs for

>now (sometimes I eat more egg white than egg yoke) but that means I am not

>consuming the coconut oil either.

>

>I have been taking A F Betafood, Cal Amo (lots of salts for digestion) and

>started doing the 'Five Rites' written about in 'Ancient Secrets of the

>Fountain of Youth'.

>I hope I am on the right track because I plan to use Schwarzbeins menus,

>that include omelets and other egg recipes every day.

Is there a risk of becoming allergic to eggs, if I eat them everyday?

You don't need to use eggs to " do Schwarzbein " , any protein will do. Some

people ARE allergic to

eggs, but I think it's at least mostly genetic: if you aren't prone to the

allergy,

eating them daily won't hurt anything. If you are allergic, this is sad,

but I don't

know of a solution.

As for diarrhea: how are you doing on probiotics? I eat kimchi with every

meal now (and am totally addicted), and kefir most days. The bacteria

do produce a mess of enzymes (that's how they digest food), plus they

kill off the bad stuff. And cultured vegies taste really, really good.

If I skip them with my eggs, the eggs just kind of " sit there " and I

feel quesy. Then I eat some kimchi and my stomach feels fine.

I can only guess at what is going on, but it's cheap and it works for

me.

Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

>Is there a risk of becoming allergic to eggs, if I eat them everyday?

Not unless you compromise your gut with other foods (i.e. problem carbs).

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[Guest guest]

> Joy-

>

> >After changing my diet to include eggs every morning

> >with coconut oil on top, I started to have diahrrea daily.

> From :

> Try an enzyme supplement. I use Lipanase from Labs, and it's made

> a HUGE difference in my life. In fact, though I at first feared it would

> render me dependent on an external source of enzymes, I've discovered that

> as I've switched to better and better foods (and more raw animal foods) I

> actually need it less. I take one with all my cooked meals, but if I'm

> eating raw-dairy yoghurt, raw cheese, raw meat, or anything like that, I

> skip the enzyme pill.

Last night I made, for the first time, a Thai red curry dish with veggies,

and a few anchovies cooked in coconut milk and the Thai red curry, on rice.

This was followed by cantalope with yogurt for dessert. This morning my

husband complained that it gave him diarrhea. Perhaps some extra enzymes

would have solved the problem, as this would have been a low enzyme meal.

He's always disliked pickles, so it's hard to get him to eat sauerkraut or

kimchee, unless I hide it in something. He's a pretty good sport about my

cooking experiments, but sometimes he rebels.

Kris

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Kris-

>This morning my

>husband complained that it gave him diarrhea. Perhaps some extra enzymes

>would have solved the problem, as this would have been a low enzyme meal.

Could be the enzymes would've helped, or excluding the rice would've

helped. It's hard to say for any specific meal.

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[Guest guest]

At 10:25 PM 8/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Heidi-

>

> >Is there a risk of becoming allergic to eggs, if I eat them everyday?

>

>Not unless you compromise your gut with other foods (i.e. problem carbs).

>

>-

??? Based on??? (Meaning I'm curious, I'd not heard it put that way). I

know about

leaky gut, but usually based on IgG/IgA reactions (which are basically allergic

too), or lack of probiotics, or NSAIDS.

So what precisely constitutes a " problem carb " --

the glycemic factor (feeds yeast), or it's ground too finely, or there are too

many of them (doesn't get digested in the upper gut, where it should), or they

have stuff in them like phytates or lectins?

Not to be picky (what, in this group?) but I am still curious. I keep coming

back to those darn Asians and their white-rice based diet. White rice

should NOT be terribly healthy by most of the thought that is going around

today, but when they get meat and vegies etc. also, they seem to

be doing fine. I think part of the answer is genetic, but since I put my

hubby on more white rice HE is doing better too. So I'm theorizing the

answer may lie in something more subtle than " it is a carb and it has

no nutrients and it has a high glycemic factor " . Would eating tons of

white rice compromise the gut?

Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

>??? Based on??? (Meaning I'm curious, I'd not heard it put that way). I

>know about

>leaky gut, but usually based on IgG/IgA reactions (which are basically

>allergic

>too), or lack of probiotics, or NSAIDS.

I strongly urge you to read the current version of _Breaking The Vicious

Cycle_. It includes a discussion of the gluten theory.

>So what precisely constitutes a " problem carb " --

>the glycemic factor (feeds yeast), or it's ground too finely, or there are too

>many of them (doesn't get digested in the upper gut, where it should), or they

>have stuff in them like phytates or lectins?

Excess sugars (including disaccharides which we don't have the power to

digest in large quantities) and imperfectly digestible starches.

>I keep coming

>back to those darn Asians and their white-rice based diet. White rice

>should NOT be terribly healthy by most of the thought that is going around

>today,

Well, frankly I think there's a lot of ill health among Asians, even going

back awhile. There are also a lot of misconceptions about their diet, as

Wise Traditions pointed out at some length in a recent issue. However,

this gets to the one area in which I think BTVC breaks down: it doesn't

consider traditional grains traditionally prepared in a traditional

high-fat diet. Of course, to be fair there's virtually no research on

this, but Price's work obviously indicates that it's possible to be pretty

healthy on a diet that includes some grains... provided everything's done

just right, and probably provided your parents and grandparents were

healthy and you're eating off great soil.

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[Guest guest]

At 04:09 PM 8/4/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Well, frankly I think there's a lot of ill health among Asians, even going

>back awhile. There are also a lot of misconceptions about their diet, as

>Wise Traditions pointed out at some length in a recent issue. However,

>this gets to the one area in which I think BTVC breaks down: it doesn't

>consider traditional grains traditionally prepared in a traditional

>high-fat diet. Of course, to be fair there's virtually no research on

>this, but Price's work obviously indicates that it's possible to be pretty

>healthy on a diet that includes some grains... provided everything's done

>just right, and probably provided your parents and grandparents were

>healthy and you're eating off great soil.

>

>-

Ok, well that answers the question. I've read some of BTVC: I think

empirically she is correct

(if you follow that diet you can get better), but she doesn't have some of

her facts

straight from a research point of view.

I think there is something else going on ... I'm not sure what, but it

likely has to do

with microbes and PH and rates of digestion and IgG and stuff like that.

I've read about 4 books

lately that all come at it from a different angle -- the *symptoms* of

these various

diseases are all similar even though each author comes up with a different

mechanism.

Too much of the wrong starch does cause problems (in cows too), but like

you say,

not necessarily. And white rice is a big exception. So are roots. What is

interesting

to me is that we seem to have problems with rice flour (in crackers, eaten

in moderation)

but not with boiled rice. Neither have any nutrients.

Heidi

[Guest guest]

At 04:09 PM 8/4/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>I strongly urge you to read the current version of _Breaking The Vicious

>Cycle_. It includes a discussion of the gluten theory.

>

> >So what precisely constitutes a " problem carb " --

> >the glycemic factor (feeds yeast), or it's ground too finely, or there

> are too

> >many of them (doesn't get digested in the upper gut, where it should),

> or they

> >have stuff in them like phytates or lectins?

>

>Excess sugars (including disaccharides which we don't have the power to

>digest in large quantities) and imperfectly digestible starches.

Which I'd agree with ... but the issue of gluten is separate, and it really has

been studied in good studies. I'm quoting one below. There is another

one I can't find done on humans. In these experiments they use

gluten protein and the starch component is kept constant. They have

also done in-vitro challenges. I really think, based on the evidence, that

gluten is just slightly toxic and it DOES mess up the villi in the intestine,

probably in all people, whether you are gluten-sensitive or not.

Which messes up your absorption and all kinds of other things. It is a

unique case, and a separate issue from the other grain issues. Gliaden

makes phytates look like health food! And Americans eat LOTS of gliaden.

Effects of gluten enriched diet on the small intestinal mucosa of normal

mice and mice with graft versus host reaction.

Troncone R, Caputo N, Zibella A, Molitierno G, Maiuri L, Auricchio S

Gut 1994 Jun 35:779-82

Abstract

This study looked at the effect of extra dietary gluten on the intestinal

architecture of both normal mice and those with an ongoing mucosal delayed

hypersensitivity reaction. BDF1 normal mice and mice in which a graft v

host reaction (GvHR) had been induced, both weaned on gluten free diet,

were allocated for three weeks to three different dietary regimens: gluten

free, 'normal' (3.6% gluten), and gluten enriched (15.8% gluten). In normal

mice receiving the gluten containing diet, shorter villi, deeper crypts,

and higher crypt cell production rate were noted when compared with those

receiving gluten free diet: these changes were more pronounced in those

receiving the gluten enriched diet. GvHR mice showed shorter villi and an

increase in both crypt length and crypt cell production rate when compared

with normal mice, but the presence of gluten in their diet did not produce

additional damage. Both in normal and in GvHR mice receiving gluten

containing diet there were no signs of systemic (cell mediated or humoral)

or mucosal immune reactions (raised intraepithelial lymphocyte counts or

enhanced epithelial Ia expression) to gliadin. In conclusion, increasing

the dietary gluten content produces significant changes in the mucosal

architecture of normal mice; mice with GvHR enteropathy do not show

additional damage resulting from dietary gluten.

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

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