Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Alec- >What other source is there - other than >organ meats? I am just not going to eat liver. If you do suppliment >with vitamins what brands do you use? I have found at an early age (7 >years old) that those synthetic name brand vitamins made me tired. >They still do. I'm trying to add more organ meats to my diet. I don't mind good liver, and grass-fed liver is better than even the best grain-fed stuff. Have you tried fresh grass-fed liver? With onions and bacon? I've had great results with Grassland (Mercola's source) though they are pretty pricey. I tried and failed to add kidney to my diet, but I'm looking into other organs too. I have the same kind of problem with vitamins you do, so I have to be ultra-picky about what I use. So far I've had the best luck with Carotec (www.carotec.com) though even some of their supplements, including their B-complex, give me problems. At the moment I'm not taking any B supplement except for B-12 as methylcobalamin. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 >What other source is there - other than >organ meats? I am just not going to eat liver. If you do suppliment >with vitamins what brands do you use? I have found at an early age (7 >years old) that those synthetic name brand vitamins made me tired. >They still do. >>>>>>>I'm trying to add more organ meats to my diet. I don't mind good liver, and grass-fed liver is better than even the best grain-fed stuff. Have you tried fresh grass-fed liver? With onions and bacon? I've had great results with Grassland (Mercola's source) though they are pretty pricey. I tried and failed to add kidney to my diet, but I'm looking into other organs too. I have the same kind of problem with vitamins you do, so I have to be ultra-picky about what I use. So far I've had the best luck with Carotec (www.carotec.com) though even some of their supplements, including their B-complex, give me problems. At the moment I'm not taking any B supplement except for B-12 as methylcobalamin. ----------->Alternatives are " Catalyn " by Standard Process or CataPlex B and Cataplex G combined(http://www.standardprocess.com/sp_catalog_product_detail.asp?reques tFromSearch=true & strProductID=SPI-1200). These are whole food derived (as are all SP products, i think) and mostly from animal sources. Nutritional or brewers yeast are other sources (if you don't have yeast issues). all the b vitamins can be had from animal foods - meat, organs, milk and eggs. Or just meat and organs, for that matter. Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Suze- >Alternatives are " Catalyn " by Standard Process or CataPlex B and >Cataplex G >combined Every time I look at a Standard Process supplement I get incredibly aggravated, because on one hand they seem genuinely dedicated to maximizing the nutritional density of their source ingredients, and on the other hand they put such bizarre and bad things into their supplements along with the good. Cataplex B, for example, has: >>Proprietary Blend: 60 mg >>Bovine liver, nutritional yeast, porcine duodenum, beet (root), carrot >>(root), dried beet (root) juice, choline bitartrate, rice (bran) extract, >>defatted wheat (germ) , bovine adrenal, oat flour, soy bean lecithin, >>mixed tocopherols, ascorbic acid, manganese lactate, inositol, and riboflavin. >> >>Other Ingredients: Honey, niacinamide, potassium para-aminobenzoate, >>calcium stearate, arabic gum, cocarboxylase, and pyridoxine hydrochloride. I'm not sure about nutritional yeast, but for argument's sake call it good. Certainly the animal sources are sound. Why, then, include beet and carrot? But even if those are defensible, why include dried beet juice, which sounds pretty much like unrefined sugar? And rice bran extract? Perhaps most of all, why oh why put soy bean lecithin in there? And where to their mixed tocopherols come from? And the ascorbic acid and manganese lactate? Manganese is a mineral you have to be EXTREMELY careful with, so I really don't want to see it in a B complex supplement. And honey seems like a pointless addition of sugar to a supplement, I don't much like potassium para-aminbenzoate, some people suggest that the stearates used as binders in supplement pills make them very hard to break down and absorb, and there's absolutely no excuse whatsoever for the extremely gut-hostile gum arabic. They may be the only people on the planet preparing B complex supplements from livestock organs, but some of the rest of the stuff is completely mystifying, and I want no part of soy and extra manganese and gum arabic. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 In a message dated 8/4/02 4:00:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill@... writes: > > Those of you that are restricting carbs - especially grains, do you > suppliment with B-Complex vitamins? Grains are supposed to be a good > source of B-Complex Vitamins. What other source is there - other than > organ meats? I am just not going to eat liver. If you do suppliment > with vitamins what brands do you use? I have found at an early age (7 > years old) that those synthetic name brand vitamins made me tired. > They still do. Barry Sears had a chart in a book I looked at showing vegetables to be far superior to brown rice and other grains for B vitamins. He singled out broccoli as being particularly high. chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Manganese is a mineral you have to be EXTREMELY careful with, so I really > don't want to see it in a B complex supplement. Do you know of a good calcium/magnesium supplement? What type of magnesium is okay? I have to get some good calcium into my son since he can't have dairy products. I know calcium is in other foods as well, but I'm sure he doesn't eat enough of those foods to get the amount of calcium that he needs. I just want to be careful and make sure he is getting enough. Peace and Love of Christ be with you, Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 YOU WROTE: What type of > magnesium is okay? REPLY: One you might want to check out is magnesium chloride. Many people, myself included, use it transdermally. You can find pure magnesium chloride in under the name Nigari (used to make tofu). I also make a drink with magnesium citrate and raw apple cider vinegar (32 oz purified water, 1 tbsp. magnesium, 3 tbsp RACV, stevia to taste). I drink a little 3 times per day. And, I drink at least 2 quarts of Prill water (magnesium based) water per day. I have done quite a bit of research on magnesium, and everyone agrees it is an overlooked supplement, but each also has an opinion on which type is " best, " and seemingly solid reasons for such. Problem is they all contradict each other. For me results are ALL that matters. Using this formula of magnesium was the first really big breakthrough I had in regaining my health after being very ill for 10 years (before and after pictures http://www.katking.com/before_after.htm ). Hope this helps, Kat http://www.katking.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 My best suggestion for calcium supplement for your son would be Calcifood from standard process. At the risk of sounding like a commercial, short of eating the best food sources there is no supplement even close. Here is a link to read http://www.cedarcanyonclinic.com/PDFs/CALCIFOOD.pdf Sincerely, Dr. Marasco > > Manganese is a mineral you have to be EXTREMELY careful with, so I > really > > don't want to see it in a B complex supplement. > > Do you know of a good calcium/magnesium supplement? What type of > magnesium is okay? I have to get some good calcium into my son since > he can't have dairy products. I know calcium is in other foods as > well, but I'm sure he doesn't eat enough of those foods to get the > amount of calcium that he needs. I just want to be careful and make > sure he is getting enough. > > Peace and Love of Christ be with you, > Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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