RE: confusion over CLO dosage

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>Hi Everyone,

I don't understand why Krispin Sullivan insists that people should be

so extremely careful about the amount vitamin D they consume. I think

it would be difficult to get too much D through foods, unless a

person took enormous doses of CLO or maybe ate a lot of liver. Price

states that the Eskimos consumed huge amounts of vitamin D in their

diet and had no ill effects. In fact the reverse was true. They had

not degenerative diseases. I think I remember (someone could jar my

memory here) this level was close to 4000 iu's daily.

****hi sheila,

re the eskimos, keep in mind that they lived in *alaska* not florida <g> so

they were likely getting NO (or very little) vitamin D from the sun.

depending on where you live and what your sun exposure is, you could be

getting much more vit. D form the sun than WAP's eskimos did. also, unless

you are eating a traditional eskimo diet and living a traditional eskimo

lifestyle, i'd be careful not to extrapolate the nutrient quantities they

consumed. i'm not sure why, but i suspect the amount of vit. D the eskimos

consumed worked well within the context of their high *fat* and animal foods

diet. i'm just not sure if that means *we* should strive for the amounts of

vit.D they consumed with our different diets and lifestyles.

>>>>I have read

that even 10,000 may not be toxic. How many of us get that amount?

Dr. Mercola recommends 1 teaspoon of Carlson's CLO for every 25

pounds of body weight. For me that would be about 1 and a half

tablespoons. I'm tempted to try that amount. I only take a tablesppon

and my doctor wants me to cut back to 2 t's a day. I don't agree with

his advice. I have seem wonderful improvement in my rosacea and

energy level since I began the fermented foods, raw dairy foods,

grass fed beef and CLO. I will get the level of D checked once a

year, to be on the safe side. I'm not really sure whether I should

even bother with this expense. Any thoughts on my thoughts?

Be well,

Sheila

********as with everything, there are individual tolerances. mercola's

recommendation is a one-size-fits-all, which is simply not appropriate for

*everyone.* i've read that hypervitaminosis D has been recorded in people of

all age groups. no idea what form they were getting. i recently read about

researchers inducing hypervitaminosis D in dogs, and in some cases, it was

with high doses of fish liver oil. just keep in mind that doctors, and even

krispin sullivan are giving general guidelines, but that your body is an

individual with it's unique bichemistry and it's own tolerances. if you want

to take high doses, my suggestion would be to up the dose in small

increments for maybe a few months at a time and note whether you develop any

toxicity symptoms as you go. also keep a record of the doses you take.

here's a list of toxicity symptoms from " the nutritional desk reference "

(garrison and somer):

nausea

anorexia

weakness

headache

polyuria (frequent urination)

mental retardation

digestive disturbances

narrowing of the aorta due to calcium deposits

dermatitis

kidney damage

oxidation of tissue lipids

calcification of soft tissue

hypercalcemia

the authors write that the threshold for toxicity is 500 to 600 mcg/kg body

weight per day. it's been a while since i read krispin sullivan's

recommendation - i'm gathering her's is higher? either way, they're all

general guidelines, but as i mentioned, your body is an individual. that's

why i think starting at lower doses and working your way gradually up to

your target dose while carefully observing how your body responds to each

incremental increase, is warranted.

Ok, well those are my thoughts!

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Suze,

Thank you for your answer.

Since I am not experienceing any of the symtoms of vitamin D

toxicity, I will assume I am doing fine at the level I am presently

taking. I will get the blood test later this year, just to be on the

safe side.

You are so right about bio-individuality. I am not an Eskimo; not

even a tiny bit. My ancestors came from Ireland, England and Northern

Italy. I do live in a northern climate now, (Central Oregon) and do

not get a lot of sun exposure, certainly not the amount Krispin

recommends. I want to get the optimal level of D for me and find that

difficult to do just from the sun shine, especially in the winter

months. I will read " Naked at Noon " when it finally gets published

and maybe she will shed more light on this subject. We shall see.

Thanks again for your thoughts on this puzzlement.

Sheila

> >>>>>>>>Hi Everyone,

> I don't understand why Krispin Sullivan insists that people should

be

> so extremely careful about the amount vitamin D they consume. I

think

> it would be difficult to get too much D through foods, unless a

> person took enormous doses of CLO or maybe ate a lot of liver. Price

> states that the Eskimos consumed huge amounts of vitamin D in their

> diet and had no ill effects. In fact the reverse was true. They had

> not degenerative diseases. I think I remember (someone could jar my

> memory here) this level was close to 4000 iu's daily.

>

> ****hi sheila,

>

> re the eskimos, keep in mind that they lived in *alaska* not

florida <g> so

> they were likely getting NO (or very little) vitamin D from the sun.

> depending on where you live and what your sun exposure is, you

could be

> getting much more vit. D form the sun than WAP's eskimos did. also,

unless

> you are eating a traditional eskimo diet and living a traditional

eskimo

> lifestyle, i'd be careful not to extrapolate the nutrient

quantities they

> consumed. i'm not sure why, but i suspect the amount of vit. D the

eskimos

> consumed worked well within the context of their high *fat* and

animal foods

> diet. i'm just not sure if that means *we* should strive for the

amounts of

> vit.D they consumed with our different diets and lifestyles.

>

>

>

>

> >>>>I have read

> that even 10,000 may not be toxic. How many of us get that amount?

> Dr. Mercola recommends 1 teaspoon of Carlson's CLO for every 25

> pounds of body weight. For me that would be about 1 and a half

> tablespoons. I'm tempted to try that amount. I only take a

tablesppon

> and my doctor wants me to cut back to 2 t's a day. I don't agree

with

> his advice. I have seem wonderful improvement in my rosacea and

> energy level since I began the fermented foods, raw dairy foods,

> grass fed beef and CLO. I will get the level of D checked once a

> year, to be on the safe side. I'm not really sure whether I should

> even bother with this expense. Any thoughts on my thoughts?

> Be well,

> Sheila

>

>

> ********as with everything, there are individual tolerances.

mercola's

> recommendation is a one-size-fits-all, which is simply not

appropriate for

> *everyone.* i've read that hypervitaminosis D has been recorded in

people of

> all age groups. no idea what form they were getting. i recently

read about

> researchers inducing hypervitaminosis D in dogs, and in some cases,

it was

> with high doses of fish liver oil. just keep in mind that doctors,

and even

> krispin sullivan are giving general guidelines, but that your body

is an

> individual with it's unique bichemistry and it's own tolerances. if

you want

> to take high doses, my suggestion would be to up the dose in small

> increments for maybe a few months at a time and note whether you

develop any

> toxicity symptoms as you go. also keep a record of the doses you

take.

> here's a list of toxicity symptoms from " the nutritional desk

reference "

> (garrison and somer):

>

> nausea

> anorexia

> weakness

> headache

> polyuria (frequent urination)

> mental retardation

> digestive disturbances

> narrowing of the aorta due to calcium deposits

> dermatitis

> kidney damage

> oxidation of tissue lipids

> calcification of soft tissue

> hypercalcemia

>

> the authors write that the threshold for toxicity is 500 to 600

mcg/kg body

> weight per day. it's been a while since i read krispin sullivan's

> recommendation - i'm gathering her's is higher? either way, they're

all

> general guidelines, but as i mentioned, your body is an individual.

that's

> why i think starting at lower doses and working your way gradually

up to

> your target dose while carefully observing how your body responds

to each

> incremental increase, is warranted.

>

> Ok, well those are my thoughts!

>

> Suze Fisher

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> mailto:s.fisher22@v...

[Guest guest]

>

> > here's a list of toxicity symptoms from " the nutritional desk

> reference "

> > (garrison and somer):

<snipped>

> > the authors write that the threshold for toxicity is 500 to 600

> mcg/kg body

> > weight per day.

An IU of vitamin D is 25ng, which means that if this is correct, the

toxicity threshold is 20,000 IU per kilogram of body weight. Even the high-

vitamin CLO sold by Radiant Life has only something like 400 IU per half-

teaspoon, which means that you'd have to take half a cup per kilogram of

body weight daily to induce hypervitaminosis D.

A quick web search reveals that there is nothing that bears even a slight

resemblance to consensus with respect to the safe upper limit of vitamin D,

which may be due to widely varying individual requirements and tolerance,

or just to incompetent research.

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