Re: Optimal Nutrition & Homo Optimus

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It was me who mentioned this book a while back.

I will find out how my friend ordered it ect. will be back as soon as

I know.

P.S following this book he has dropped his insulin injections from 30

to 6. not long and he will no longer to have the need to take insulin.

> Someone mentioned one of these books awhile back. I am trying to

> order both of them with no luck so far. The publishing company

(WGP)

> sent me the information but my bank states they are unable to

process

> the " wire transfer " due to the bank account number given was too

> long?? If anyone has successfully ordered the books would you mind

> telling me how you did it? I would really appreciate it!

> Thanks! Lynn

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http://homodiet.netfirms.com/index.html

Hi all, its been a while.

DMM

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Hi all, its been a while.

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Thanks Dr. M. Welcome back!

Great site...lots of good info about the book...but no place to ORDER the book

itself?? or did I miss that?

Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: drmichaelmarasco

Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:01 AM

Subject: Re: Optimal Nutrition & Homo Optimus

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Hi all, its been a while.

DMM

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gp@...

the above is the email of the publisher of the book and I believe

they sell it.

I also have another inquiry in somewhere else when I get the reply

I'll let you know.

DMM

Yes its been a while. Busy practice, busy launching a virtual clinic

and busy having our first child last tuesday august 6 - Moses.

So I'll be in and out over the next few weeks but some time between

now and fall I'll be regular again.

[Guest guest]

Dr Mike and others familiar with Homo Optimus,

What do you really think of the " Optimal Nutrition " guidelines?

All I've read so far is the website, and I find it a little

disturbing so far. There doesn't appear to be any focus on whole

foods or dietary balance. The carb level of what is presumably a

long-term, maintenance diet is in the range of Atkin's.

I don't have a problem with very low-carb diets, but I bristle a bit

at the notion of such a diet being universally optimal. Come to

think of it, I think I bristle at the notion of any one diet being

universally optimal...especially one that involves processed foods

and so little variety.

I also found the website to be somewhat self-contradictory. At one

point it mentions keeping carb intake to about 100 grams per day to

avoid ketosis and muscle-wasting. At another couple of points, it

mentions carb levels in the 50-70 gram per day range. It may be

better explained in the book, but I'm very reluctant to buy the book

when the website seems to be something that I'd disagree

with...especially since books such as these gain credibility as the

number of books sold rises.

I'm not surprised that he's had good clinical results though.

There's no doubt that his diet is better than what many people eat.

Perhaps his book should be called Homo Remedius and his diet should

be the Somewhat Improved Standard Western Diet?

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>especially one that involves processed foods

>and so little variety.

And I bristle at false demonization and inaccurate descriptions of low-carb

diets. Yes, some people on low-carb diets do rely on the crutch of

processed foods, but this is a new and inevitable development, and there is

absolutely nothing about low-carb eating that requires either a limited

variety of foods or processed crap. There's an entire universe of animal

foods to choose from, not to mention a huge variety of non-starchy vegetables.

(Perhaps you're just talking about the Optimal Diet here, which I know

little about, but you've said the exact same things about other low-carb

diets.)

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in all honesty I do not have a large amount of knowledge

of " Optimal Nutrition " as I am still trying to secure copies of the

book. However what I do know from colleagues I've spoken with and

just what's on the web is that this book is originally written in I

believe Polish, it has gotten awful distribution and has only been

translated in the last 3 years into english. I think what's out

there is somewhat vague and obscure. The professionals I've

diologued with leave me thinking that there is quite a bit of merit

in the writing and conclusions will best be drawn in actually reading

the book. When I do so I will let you know.

If you are bristling at any diet being universally optimal you should

give up reading about particular diets in that nearly every diet

author claims their diet universally optimal so I just go into the

read expecting that to be the claim and just learn what needs to be

learned anyway.

As far as the reliance on small variety and processed foods, that's a

function of our culture not the diet. These books are generally

written to the masses who have so far to go to grasp or even care

about what you understand. Realize these issues are not issues of

low carb they are issues of a culture that says ok if I can't eat a

snickers I'll just eat a low carb candy bar from atkins or the like.

Low carb can and should be rich in whole foods and variety its just

that whether the diet is low carb, high carb or otherwise that should

be the standard - variety of whole foods, but most folks don't make

that choice, they choose variety of fake food no matter how many

carbs are in it. I wish the authors would make the effort to address

this however I have to give some credit to them, to get just one

american to stop eating wonder bread is an admirable accomplishment.

DMM

> Dr Mike and others familiar with Homo Optimus,

>

> What do you really think of the " Optimal Nutrition " guidelines?

>

> All I've read so far is the website, and I find it a little

> disturbing so far. There doesn't appear to be any focus on whole

> foods or dietary balance. The carb level of what is presumably a

> long-term, maintenance diet is in the range of Atkin's.

>

> I don't have a problem with very low-carb diets, but I bristle a

bit

> at the notion of such a diet being universally optimal. Come to

> think of it, I think I bristle at the notion of any one diet being

> universally optimal...especially one that involves processed foods

> and so little variety.

>

> I also found the website to be somewhat self-contradictory. At one

> point it mentions keeping carb intake to about 100 grams per day to

> avoid ketosis and muscle-wasting. At another couple of points, it

> mentions carb levels in the 50-70 gram per day range. It may be

> better explained in the book, but I'm very reluctant to buy the

book

> when the website seems to be something that I'd disagree

> with...especially since books such as these gain credibility as the

> number of books sold rises.

>

> I'm not surprised that he's had good clinical results though.

> There's no doubt that his diet is better than what many people

eat.

> Perhaps his book should be called Homo Remedius and his diet should

> be the Somewhat Improved Standard Western Diet?

>

>

[Guest guest]

its been a while...

I think you had a little too much caffiene for lunch ;-)

It's good to read your posts again.

DMM

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>

> >especially one that involves processed foods

> >and so little variety.

>

> And I bristle at false demonization and inaccurate descriptions of

low-carb

> diets. Yes, some people on low-carb diets do rely on the crutch of

> processed foods, but this is a new and inevitable development, and

there is

> absolutely nothing about low-carb eating that requires either a

limited

> variety of foods or processed crap. There's an entire universe of

animal

> foods to choose from, not to mention a huge variety of non-starchy

vegetables.

>

> (Perhaps you're just talking about the Optimal Diet here, which I

know

> little about, but you've said the exact same things about other low-

carb

> diets.)

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> its been a while...

Hi Mike, good to see you again! How's the new Marasco doing?

>I think you had a little too much caffiene for lunch

Nah, never touch the stuff anymore, though maybe I got out of the wrong

side of bed. <g>

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