RE: Re: potatoes and bananas

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Alec-

>A large Zucchini has more potassium than an extra large banana. It

>is also low in Sodium and carbs than bananas or potatoes.

The comparison is even more favorable on a per-calorie basis. The zucchini

has half the potassium of the potato but less than 16% of the calories (and

less than 15% of the carbs). This is a good example supporting my theory

that starchy foods have been bred for energy content (starch) at the

expense of nutrition.

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[Guest guest]

Ok, I concede on this point. To boot, I just ate tons of zuchinni, mostly

steamed, with some on the side fried in coconut, sesame, and olive oil, with

garlic and herbs. Mmm.

Still, I'd find it hard to fill myself up without potatoes and whole wheat

sourdough bread and sour pancakes, etc. If I had lots of money, I could eat

mostly fruits and vegetables, but I'd need lots to fill me up. Now that I'm

eating NT-style, or at least more or less, trying at least, I get full a lot

easier for a lot longer. BUT, that with still eating some potatoes or grain

product every day. While I'd like to eat the same calories with more

nutrients, from lots of zuchini, say, it might even be hard for me to eat the

same calories given the volume of food I would have to eat with zuchnini.

I'm 5'8 " and 130 pounds. The last thing I need is to lose weight. I'd like

to gain weight, (some fat to fill in my bony parts )but that's pretty hard

to do and even harder on a higher animal-fat and lower-carb diet that I'm

doing now.

On the other hand, I think that my body is almost falling apart. I feel good

now that I'm doing NT-style diet, but I think I'm just eating enough to make

me do good in the present, while I need excessive nutrients to build my

storage tanks back up. When I was a teenager I smoked cigarettes and pot,

drank two _tall_ glasses of coke first thing in the morning, followed by a

breakfast of iced tea from powdered mix, " Toaster Struedells " , etc. Then I

became a vegetarian for two years, a vegan for one of them, and topped it off

with awful problems. I just had about 15 or 17, I lost count, cavities

filled and two root canals, and just recovered from vegetarian induced

chronic apathy/fatigue-like symptoms.

So, I should probably be avoiding potatoes and eating the most nutrient-dense

foods I possibly can, going on a grain and sugar-free diet (including natural

sweeteners) for a year or two while I build up my body, but I don't have the

money, will-power, or knowledge of how I could maintain my weight on.

In any case, I think potatoes are fine for healthy people, but I think I

probably agree with you, , that most of us aren't healthy, and especially

if we are recovering from specifiic health problems, we should probably be

avoiding them and other foods of similar calorie-nutrient ratios, at least

for a long time, so we can fully repair are bodies rather than skimming the

surface of health.

Chris

In a message dated 8/16/02 9:15:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> >A large Zucchini has more potassium than an extra large banana. It

> >is also low in Sodium and carbs than bananas or potatoes.

>

> The comparison is even more favorable on a per-calorie basis. The

zucchini

> has half the potassium of the potato but less than 16% of the calories

(and

> less than 15% of the carbs). This is a good example supporting my theory

> that starchy foods have been bred for energy content (starch) at the

> expense of nutrition.

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

if you need to put on some weight why not add some properly prepared beans

and nuts, carrots, winter squashes, fruits and brown rice. you can sprinkle

desiccated (grated) coconut on many dishes. that would add 'good' calories

to your diet.

Dedy

----- Original Message -----

From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...>

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: Re: potatoes and bananas

> Ok, I concede on this point. To boot, I just ate tons of zuchinni, mostly

> steamed, with some on the side fried in coconut, sesame, and olive oil,

with

> garlic and herbs. Mmm.

>

> Still, I'd find it hard to fill myself up without potatoes and whole wheat

> sourdough bread and sour pancakes, etc. If I had lots of money, I could

eat

> mostly fruits and vegetables, but I'd need lots to fill me up. Now that

I'm

> eating NT-style, or at least more or less, trying at least, I get full a

lot

> easier for a lot longer. BUT, that with still eating some potatoes or

grain

> product every day. While I'd like to eat the same calories with more

> nutrients, from lots of zuchini, say, it might even be hard for me to eat

the

> same calories given the volume of food I would have to eat with zuchnini.

>

> I'm 5'8 " and 130 pounds. The last thing I need is to lose weight. I'd

like

> to gain weight, (some fat to fill in my bony parts )but that's pretty

hard

> to do and even harder on a higher animal-fat and lower-carb diet that I'm

> doing now.

>

> On the other hand, I think that my body is almost falling apart. I feel

good

> now that I'm doing NT-style diet, but I think I'm just eating enough to

make

> me do good in the present, while I need excessive nutrients to build my

> storage tanks back up. When I was a teenager I smoked cigarettes and pot,

> drank two _tall_ glasses of coke first thing in the morning, followed by a

> breakfast of iced tea from powdered mix, " Toaster Struedells " , etc. Then

I

> became a vegetarian for two years, a vegan for one of them, and topped it

off

> with awful problems. I just had about 15 or 17, I lost count, cavities

> filled and two root canals, and just recovered from vegetarian induced

> chronic apathy/fatigue-like symptoms.

>

> So, I should probably be avoiding potatoes and eating the most

nutrient-dense

> foods I possibly can, going on a grain and sugar-free diet (including

natural

> sweeteners) for a year or two while I build up my body, but I don't have

the

> money, will-power, or knowledge of how I could maintain my weight on.

>

> In any case, I think potatoes are fine for healthy people, but I think I

> probably agree with you, , that most of us aren't healthy, and

especially

> if we are recovering from specifiic health problems, we should probably be

> avoiding them and other foods of similar calorie-nutrient ratios, at least

> for a long time, so we can fully repair are bodies rather than skimming

the

> surface of health.

>

> Chris

>

> In a message dated 8/16/02 9:15:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> Idol@... writes:

>

> > >A large Zucchini has more potassium than an extra large banana. It

> > >is also low in Sodium and carbs than bananas or potatoes.

> >

> > The comparison is even more favorable on a per-calorie basis. The

> zucchini

> > has half the potassium of the potato but less than 16% of the calories

> (and

> > less than 15% of the carbs). This is a good example supporting my

theory

> > that starchy foods have been bred for energy content (starch) at the

> > expense of nutrition.

>

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds,

and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight

of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of

the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>>>On the other hand, I think that my body is almost falling apart. I

feel good

now that I'm doing NT-style diet, but I think I'm just eating enough to make

me do good in the present, while I need excessive nutrients to build my

storage tanks back up. When I was a teenager I smoked cigarettes and pot,

drank two _tall_ glasses of coke first thing in the morning, followed by a

breakfast of iced tea from powdered mix, " Toaster Struedells " , etc. Then I

became a vegetarian for two years, a vegan for one of them, and topped it

off

with awful problems. I just had about 15 or 17, I lost count, cavities

filled and two root canals, and just recovered from vegetarian induced

chronic apathy/fatigue-like symptoms.

--------->it's amazing you are still here with us i think that's a good

point about eating enough to make you feel good in the present. i, too am

trying to eat a 'healing' diet now to try to get my body truly well after a

lifetime of eating crap. but i still sometimes eat and drink stuff that's

not very healing or nutrient-dense. have you considered supplementing til

you feel you are well again? " Superfood " comes to mind - i think bianca

(another list member) used to eat this regularly and i have used it with my

dogs (still have some in my fridge and use it on popcorn.) i'm considering

taking it regularly myself. it's all food - no synthetic supps.

http://www.organichealthandbeauty.com/sub%20pages/sf_ing.htm

just a thought - not a cure all, but something to help get a lot of

nutrients back into your body as you heal. also, raw liver from pastured

livestock is another nutrient-dense food

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

Chris-

>Still, I'd find it hard to fill myself up without potatoes and whole wheat

>sourdough bread and sour pancakes, etc.

The answer is simple, though unfortunately it's not as cheap as potatoes

and bread. Fat. Scarf down all the fat you need to feel satisfied, as

long as it's the right kind of fat. Coconut oil, pastured animal fat, raw

pastured butter and cream, unfiltered extra virgin olive oil, etc. These

fats aren't cheap -- I hemorrhage, I mean, pay, $15/lb for raw cultured

pastured butter -- but there are two mitigating factors. Fats are very

calorie-dense, meaning that pound of butter has many more calories than one

pound of most other foods. And good fats are extremely nutritious and will

support your health, whereas bad foods will just give you medical expenses

down the road.

>While I'd like to eat the same calories with more

>nutrients, from lots of zuchini, say, it might even be hard for me to eat the

>same calories given the volume of food I would have to eat with zuchnini.

Eat that zucchini swimming in butter. Of course, you could also eat the

potato swimming in butter (and damn, it would sure be delicious!) but fat

is a great way to boos the caloric value of all kinds of dishes.

>but I don't have the

>money, will-power, or knowledge of how I could maintain my weight on.

Well, as long as you don't reduce your carb intake enough to approach or

induce ketosis, you probably won't lose weight, but if that is a problem,

just add some berries or winter squash, or something like that, to your

diet. Depending on your metabolism and energy, you also might want to cut

back on the coconut oil and replace it with long-chain animal fats and

olive oil.

As to money, well, that's a tough one, no doubt about it. It just costs

more up front to eat right, though if you're switching from highly

processed foods the difference isn't always very dramatic. However, you

can do things like order meat directly from the farm, and while it'll

likely be more expensive than the cheapest grocery store meat, it'll be

cheaper than the better stuff you can get locally.

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