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> I was wondering if there are any farmers on this list

> who could comment on how GMOs effect their business.

> Is there any way a farmer could benefit from a rise in

> genetically altered crops?

>

> I'd love to counterpoint this argument but feel as

> though I need solid evidence to do so. Rather than do

> some impersonal search on the web, I thought it would

> be more thought-provoking if I could get some feedback

> from this group.

>

> Thanks a million,

> a

>

a,

I'm not a farmer and I'm FAR from being on expert on the topic, but

here's a writeup from " Organic Style " magazine, July/Aug 2002 that

offers one small example of " proof " :

" Looks like organic veggies really are healthier for you. A recent

study by ish researchers found that soups made from organically

grown vegetables and herbs contained almost six times more salicylic

acid than did nonorganic brands. Why is this a good thing?

Salicyclic acid has anti-inflammatory properties and is thekey

ingredient in aspirin, which is often recommended by physicians for

patients at risk for heart disease. The new research follows a

report published last year in the Journal of Clinical Pathology

showing that vegetarians have higher blood levels of salicylic acid

than nonvegetarians. These studies may help explain the already

established correlation between diets rich in fruits and vegetables

and a lower incidence of colon cancer and heart disease -- both of

which are linked to inflammation. Plants produce salicylic acid as a

defense against infection, so it stands to reason that those grown

without the protection of chemical pesticides would produce more of

the stuff. "

Unfortunately, I also had a Washington Post blurb on some study

showing the superiority of organic in some regard. But I can't find

it at the moment!!! (I had it yesterday!)

And I used to have a blurb from the Post about a 5-year study done on

apples in Washington state showing the superiority of organic.

I also recently read some study showing that organic foods had

significantly less pesticide residues than conventional foods (even

though, yes, they did still have pesticide residues).

I don't usually keep these things, because I'm not currently trying

to " prove " the value of organic to anyone.

I know you want facts/study, but I mostly have heresay. For

instance, a few years ago a friend of mine visited the Rodale organic

farm in PA. There was a drought and the people at Rodale explained

that there soil was so fertile that it retained moisture far better

than conventional farms. Everyone around them had had to irrigate

all summer, but they'd only had to irrigate twice. You could Rodale

to verify. In fact, they might be a great resource for finding what

studies have been done. I think they've had their organic farm going

for over 30 years.

I know even less about GMOs. They scare me because we are so boldly

making major changes in our food supply without anything close to

full knowledge what the effects will be -- to us, to other plants,

animals, etc... It's such an arrogant position!

Wise Traditions magazine (winter 2001) has an excellent article on

the GM " golden rice " and the dangers associated with it. I'd highly

recommend the article. I can't remember if it does/doesn't offer any

studies or proof, but it was thought-provoking, particularly if

someone is pro-GMO.

I also recall hearing that the GM corn was harming monarch

butterflies -- something to do with the GM corn no longer attracting

certain bugs that had something to do with the milkweed that often

grows on the edges of cornfields, and the butterflies needing the

milkweed. I don't remember. I know the point was that the people

who developed this GM corn had no idea it would end up affecting

butterflies. I think a book might have been written about it.

If I find these Washington Post articles that I've temporarily lost,

would you like me to post them or send them to you?

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--- You can find a nice group of organic farmers to ask this

question of at market-farming.com or org. Dennis

In @y..., " kili94 " <lm324@j...> wrote:

> --- In @y..., erica feldman <hlthgrl5275@y...>

wrote:

> > I was wondering if there are any farmers on this list

> > who could comment on how GMOs effect their business.

> > Is there any way a farmer could benefit from a rise in

> > genetically altered crops?

> >

> > I'd love to counterpoint this argument but feel as

> > though I need solid evidence to do so. Rather than do

> > some impersonal search on the web, I thought it would

> > be more thought-provoking if I could get some feedback

> > from this group.

> >

> > Thanks a million,

> > a

> >

> a,

> I'm not a farmer and I'm FAR from being on expert on the topic, but

> here's a writeup from " Organic Style " magazine, July/Aug 2002 that

> offers one small example of " proof " :

>

> " Looks like organic veggies really are healthier for you. A recent

> study by ish researchers found that soups made from

organically

> grown vegetables and herbs contained almost six times more

salicylic

> acid than did nonorganic brands. Why is this a good thing?

> Salicyclic acid has anti-inflammatory properties and is thekey

> ingredient in aspirin, which is often recommended by physicians for

> patients at risk for heart disease. The new research follows a

> report published last year in the Journal of Clinical Pathology

> showing that vegetarians have higher blood levels of salicylic acid

> than nonvegetarians. These studies may help explain the already

> established correlation between diets rich in fruits and vegetables

> and a lower incidence of colon cancer and heart disease -- both of

> which are linked to inflammation. Plants produce salicylic acid as

a

> defense against infection, so it stands to reason that those grown

> without the protection of chemical pesticides would produce more of

> the stuff. "

>

> Unfortunately, I also had a Washington Post blurb on some study

> showing the superiority of organic in some regard. But I can't

find

> it at the moment!!! (I had it yesterday!)

>

> And I used to have a blurb from the Post about a 5-year study done

on

> apples in Washington state showing the superiority of organic.

>

> I also recently read some study showing that organic foods had

> significantly less pesticide residues than conventional foods (even

> though, yes, they did still have pesticide residues).

>

> I don't usually keep these things, because I'm not currently trying

> to " prove " the value of organic to anyone.

>

> I know you want facts/study, but I mostly have heresay. For

> instance, a few years ago a friend of mine visited the Rodale

organic

> farm in PA. There was a drought and the people at Rodale explained

> that there soil was so fertile that it retained moisture far better

> than conventional farms. Everyone around them had had to irrigate

> all summer, but they'd only had to irrigate twice. You could

Rodale

> to verify. In fact, they might be a great resource for finding what

> studies have been done. I think they've had their organic farm

going

> for over 30 years.

>

> I know even less about GMOs. They scare me because we are so

boldly

> making major changes in our food supply without anything close to

> full knowledge what the effects will be -- to us, to other plants,

> animals, etc... It's such an arrogant position!

>

> Wise Traditions magazine (winter 2001) has an excellent article on

> the GM " golden rice " and the dangers associated with it. I'd

highly

> recommend the article. I can't remember if it does/doesn't offer

any

> studies or proof, but it was thought-provoking, particularly if

> someone is pro-GMO.

>

> I also recall hearing that the GM corn was harming monarch

> butterflies -- something to do with the GM corn no longer

attracting

> certain bugs that had something to do with the milkweed that often

> grows on the edges of cornfields, and the butterflies needing the

> milkweed. I don't remember. I know the point was that the people

> who developed this GM corn had no idea it would end up affecting

> butterflies. I think a book might have been written about it.

>

> If I find these Washington Post articles that I've temporarily

lost,

> would you like me to post them or send them to you?

>

>

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