Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 At 04:27 PM 8/31/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >i searched the messages, but did not find any posts on this topic. > >my 3 month old baby boy has excema, and it's getting worse. he is >breastfeed and the only thing that i eat that i shouldn't is >pastuerized cheese and cream. (i don't drink milk unless i can get >it raw.) i've switched to raw cheese and no cream. (i'm only >guessing here with the dairy.) all my grains and nuts are soaked. The two biggest issues with allergens are gluten and casein. A child CAN react to the Mom's milk. The allergy issues holds whether or not the grains are soaked or the milk is pastuerized. It is an interesting issue, with breastfeeding: you'd have to put yourself on an elimination diet for awhile to see if it would help. The " Paleo diet " is a safe place to start (you can do paleo and NT at the same time). Try a diet of meat, vegies and fruits: cut out all grains and dairy and legumes. This diet cuts out pretty much all the " problematic " foods. If it helps, then you can go back and add foods one by one. There is also some evidence that eczema can get better if the child is on probiotics. Or maybe if you are on probiotics? You can put a probiotic capsule in a bottle, or, get some kefir and feed him that (I hear kefir is a good baby food: I didn't have it when mine were little though). See: http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v284n11/ffull/jmn0920-1.html Probiotics also may be useful in ameliorating some allergic reactions. Tufts' Gorbach discussed evidence from a controlled study showing that infants with atopic dermatitis and challenge-proven milk allergy who received formula supplemented with LGG had significant improvement in the severity of their eczema compared with children who did not receive LGG (J Allergy Clin Immunol. 1997;99:179-185). Commenting on the study, Gorbach said, " Here's an example of a food allergy reflected in the skin by eczema, which is improved by administration of healthy bacteria. " He added that LGG may help ameliorate the allergic reaction by restoring intestinal permeability, which is disrupted in children with food allergy. Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 > Hi everyone, > > i searched the messages, but did not find any posts on this topic. > > my 3 month old baby boy has excema, and it's getting worse. he is > breastfeed and the only thing that i eat that i shouldn't is > pastuerized cheese and cream. (i don't drink milk unless i can get > it raw.) i've switched to raw cheese and no cream. (i'm only > guessing here with the dairy.) all my grains and nuts are soaked. > > i just started giving him cod liver oil yesterday. i have been > rubbing him with good coconut butter (helps some). > > please, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > thank you, > deanna Besides diet look at other enviromental factors such as soaps, both for body and laundry, shampoo, lotions. Even clothing. Some people have a reaction to natural fibers, others synthetic fibers. Most baby and chilrens pajamas are treated with a fire retardant chemical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Yes! yes! get rid of any products that have fragrance and see if that helps. I didn't have excema but when i took all the fragranced products out of the house and put them outside it made a huge difference in my allergies. Irene At 12:01 PM 8/31/02, you wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > i searched the messages, but did not find any posts on this topic. > > > > my 3 month old baby boy has excema, and it's getting worse. he is > > breastfeed and the only thing that i eat that i shouldn't is > > pastuerized cheese and cream. (i don't drink milk unless i can get > > it raw.) i've switched to raw cheese and no cream. (i'm only > > guessing here with the dairy.) all my grains and nuts are soaked. > > > > i just started giving him cod liver oil yesterday. i have been > > rubbing him with good coconut butter (helps some). > > > > please, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > > > thank you, > > deanna > >Besides diet look at other enviromental factors such as soaps, both >for body and laundry, shampoo, lotions. Even clothing. Some people >have a reaction to natural fibers, others synthetic fibers. Most baby >and chilrens pajamas are treated with a fire retardant chemical. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Country Life has a probiotic product designed for babies called Baby-dophilus. I used it with my baby when I was on antibiotics and breastfeeding Irene At 11:42 AM 8/31/02, you wrote: >At 04:27 PM 8/31/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >i searched the messages, but did not find any posts on this topic. > > > >my 3 month old baby boy has excema, and it's getting worse. he is > >breastfeed and the only thing that i eat that i shouldn't is > >pastuerized cheese and cream. (i don't drink milk unless i can get > >it raw.) i've switched to raw cheese and no cream. (i'm only > >guessing here with the dairy.) all my grains and nuts are soaked. > >The two biggest issues with allergens are gluten and casein. A child CAN >react to the Mom's milk. The allergy issues holds whether or not the >grains are soaked or the milk is pastuerized. It is an interesting issue, >with breastfeeding: you'd have to put yourself on an elimination diet >for awhile to see if it would help. The " Paleo diet " is a safe place to >start (you can do paleo and NT at the same time). Try a diet of meat, >vegies and fruits: cut out all grains and dairy and legumes. This diet >cuts out pretty much all the " problematic " foods. If it helps, then >you can go back and add foods one by one. > >There is also some evidence that eczema can get better if the child is >on probiotics. Or maybe if you are on probiotics? You can put >a probiotic capsule in a bottle, or, get some kefir and feed him >that (I hear kefir is a good baby food: I didn't have it when mine >were little though). > >See: > ><http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v284n11/ffull/jmn0920-1.html>http://jama.ama-a\ ssn.org/issues/v284n11/ffull/jmn0920-1.html > >Probiotics also may be useful in ameliorating some >allergic reactions. Tufts' Gorbach discussed evidence >from a controlled study showing that infants with atopic >dermatitis and challenge-proven milk allergy who >received formula supplemented with LGG had >significant improvement in the severity of their eczema >compared with children who did not receive LGG (J >Allergy Clin Immunol. 1997;99:179-185). Commenting >on the study, Gorbach said, " Here's an example of a >food allergy reflected in the skin by eczema, which is >improved by administration of healthy bacteria. " He >added that LGG may help ameliorate the allergic >reaction by restoring intestinal permeability, which is >disrupted in children with food allergy. > > > > > > >Heidi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 > Hi everyone, > > i searched the messages, but did not find any posts on this topic. > > my 3 month old baby boy has excema, and it's getting worse. he is > breastfeed and the only thing that i eat that i shouldn't is > pastuerized cheese and cream. (i don't drink milk unless i can get > it raw.) i've switched to raw cheese and no cream. (i'm only > guessing here with the dairy.) all my grains and nuts are soaked. > > i just started giving him cod liver oil yesterday. i have been > rubbing him with good coconut butter (helps some). > > please, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > thank you, > deanna I found this discussion of Childhood atopic eczema in the British Medical Journal. http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/324/7350/1376#22854 The author of Dietary Manipulations That Resolve Atopic Dermatitis is Dr. ph Mercola, who has a valuable web resouce here: http://www.mercola.com/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Hi Deanna, I hope all is well besides the babe's skin. Deanna the posts you've received have all been right on. I'd say start with no pasturized dairy, no grains and wash babe and babe's clothes with something free of complex chemistry and fragrances. I'd be pretty surprized if this didn't cover it. Knowing that you are not eating lots of vegetable oil, I seriously doubt that the omega fat balance is an issue at all. If you need anything let me know. DMM > > Hi everyone, > > > > i searched the messages, but did not find any posts on this topic. > > > > my 3 month old baby boy has excema, and it's getting worse. he is > > breastfeed and the only thing that i eat that i shouldn't is > > pastuerized cheese and cream. (i don't drink milk unless i can get > > it raw.) i've switched to raw cheese and no cream. (i'm only > > guessing here with the dairy.) all my grains and nuts are soaked. > > > > i just started giving him cod liver oil yesterday. i have been > > rubbing him with good coconut butter (helps some). > > > > please, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > > > thank you, > > deanna > > I found this discussion of Childhood atopic eczema in the British > Medical Journal. http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/324/7350/1376#22854 > The author of Dietary Manipulations That Resolve Atopic Dermatitis is > Dr. ph Mercola, who has a valuable web resouce here: > http://www.mercola.com/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Hi Deanna, I found something that works great on my skin when I get rashes that just won't go away and I got it in the baby section of Walmart. It's called Lansinoh and you can read more about it at: www.lansinoh.com I have very sensitive skin and this is the best stuff I've found by far that works. Hope this helps! Robin <<Hi everyone, i searched the messages, but did not find any posts on this topic. my 3 month old baby boy has excema, and it's getting worse. he is breastfeed and the only thing that i eat that i shouldn't is pastuerized cheese and cream. (i don't drink milk unless i can get it raw.) i've switched to raw cheese and no cream. (i'm only guessing here with the dairy.) all my grains and nuts are soaked. i just started giving him cod liver oil yesterday. i have been rubbing him with good coconut butter (helps some). please, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! thank you, deanna>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v284n11/ffull/jmn0920-1.html Probiotics also may be useful in ameliorating some allergic reactions. Tufts' Gorbach discussed evidence from a controlled study showing that infants with atopic dermatitis and challenge-proven milk allergy who received formula supplemented with LGG had significant improvement in the severity of their eczema compared with children who did not receive LGG (J Allergy Clin Immunol. 1997;99:179-185). --------->an FYI on LGG - it's the only or primary bacteria in Culturelle, which is an *implantible* bacteria, AFAIK. http://www.culturelle.com/ (wonder if the researchers it's named for [gorbach and goldin] are somehow connected to culturelle?) Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 At 06:53 PM 9/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Probiotics also may be useful in ameliorating some >allergic reactions. Tufts' Gorbach discussed evidence >from a controlled study showing that infants with atopic >dermatitis and challenge-proven milk allergy who >received formula supplemented with LGG had >significant improvement in the severity of their eczema >compared with children who did not receive LGG (J >Allergy Clin Immunol. 1997;99:179-185). > >--------->an FYI on LGG - it's the only or primary bacteria in Culturelle, >which is an *implantible* bacteria, AFAIK. ><http://www.culturelle.com/>http://www.culturelle.com/ > >(wonder if the researchers it's named for [gorbach and goldin] are somehow >connected to culturelle?) They might be ... but the research is just starting. From my own experience with probiotics (kefir) I think they cure a multitude of ills, and no one really knows what all the different substances do. I kind of think that just having a bunch of good bacteria helps the immune system regulate itself somehow (which is what earlier researchers found, as I recall, using just yogurt). Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 >--------->an FYI on LGG - it's the only or primary bacteria in Culturelle, >which is an *implantible* bacteria, AFAIK. ><http://www.culturelle.com/>http://www.culturelle.com/ > >(wonder if the researchers it's named for [gorbach and goldin] are somehow >connected to culturelle?) They might be ... but the research is just starting. From my own experience with probiotics (kefir) I think they cure a multitude of ills, and no one really knows what all the different substances do. I kind of think that just having a bunch of good bacteria helps the immune system regulate itself somehow (which is what earlier researchers found, as I recall, using just yogurt). ---------->I agree, but i wonder if implanatible are more beneficial in that you supposedly don't have to keep replenishing them? I thought i'd read somewhere that kefir also contains implantible strains? Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 At 01:46 PM 9/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >---------->I agree, but i wonder if implanatible are more beneficial in that >you supposedly don't have to keep replenishing them? I thought i'd read >somewhere that kefir also contains implantible strains? > >Suze Fisher They probably are more beneficial. I kind of think kefir strains do implant though. When I was taking probiotics, the good results went away a few days after I stopped. I stopped for several weeks with kefir with no noticable difference. Also I had a huge reaction when first eating kefir: I think it kicks the other guys out. But it's harder to test kefir because it changes depending on who has it. And based on my experience, it " adopts " other bacteria along the way! Also, where did the culturelle folks get their first strains? My guess would be that they got them from some fermented dairy product? (or they just started randomly testing bacteria?) I haven't read their story, so I don't know. I do know that a lot of the " traditional " ferments are now being tested for usable chemicals (and bacteria, I'd guess). The interesting thing will be that when a company finds a useful one, they will patent it. Does that mean that the people with the original " bug " are in patent infringement? Heidi Schuppenhauer Cabrita Software heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 >>>>Also, where did the culturelle folks get their first strains? My guess would be that they got them from some fermented dairy product? (or they just started randomly testing bacteria?) --------->i don't know but they isolated the strain from the human GI tract oringinally, i *think.* I haven't read their story, so I don't know. I do know that a lot of the " traditional " ferments are now being tested for usable chemicals (and bacteria, I'd guess). The interesting thing will be that when a company finds a useful one, they will patent it. Does that mean that the people with the original " bug " are in patent infringement? ------->well, here's an interesting link (http://www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us/candida/lgg.html) i just found stating that it's been shown to be beneficial in combatting candida. apparently too, it's used to make " Gefilus " - cultured Finnish milk. the bad news is that it's US distributorship is owned by ConAgra. before the decade's out Monsanto will own everything we eat and ConAgra will have a patent on all our internal microbes! Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 At 08:04 AM 9/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: >------->well, here's an interesting link >(<http://www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us/candida/lgg.html)>http://www.phototour\ ..minneapolis.mn.us/candida/lgg.html) >i just found >stating that it's been shown to be beneficial in combatting candida. >apparently too, it's used to make " Gefilus " - cultured Finnish milk. the bad >news is that it's US distributorship is owned by ConAgra. before the >decade's out Monsanto will own everything we eat and ConAgra will have a >patent on all our internal microbes! Ooohh ... and Gefilus might be related to Fij Mjolk? So maybe I should patent my FM Kefir strain combination :-) (after all, Monsanto didn't think about the combination, so it's intellectual property). It's a good thing the original keeper of these strains just gave them away and later people like Dom publicized them before anyone could patent them. Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 Quoting Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>: > I do know that a lot > of the " traditional " ferments are now being tested for usable > chemicals (and bacteria, I'd guess). The interesting thing will > be that when a company finds a useful one, they will patent > it. Does that mean that the people with the original " bug " > are in patent infringement? To the best of my knowledge, you can't patent discoveries--only inventions. They'd have to make some useful change to the bacteria or chemical in order to patent it. They could patent certain processes in which the naturally- occurring bacteria were used, but they couldn't patent the bacteria themselves. Incidentally, this also means that those scaremongers who conjure up scenarios of people patenting naturally-occurring genes are talking out of their telomeres, so to speak. -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 At 07:38 PM 9/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >To the best of my knowledge, you can't patent discoveries--only inventions. >They'd have to make some useful change to the bacteria or chemical in order >to patent it. They could patent certain processes in which the naturally- >occurring bacteria were used, but they couldn't patent the bacteria >themselves. Incidentally, this also means that those scaremongers who >conjure up scenarios of people patenting naturally-occurring genes are >talking out of their telomeres, so to speak. > >-- > Berg I'm not sure ... Discover ran an article about it awhile back which wasn't scare-mongering, but it was interesting. It had to do with the gene issue. A similar issue happens with plants: if a new breed is developed, it is " owned " by the breeder, and may not be bred. I bought some strawberries with a label that said I may not propagate these strawberries. Now, if you've ever grown strawberries, you know this is kind of interesting: they more or less propagate themselves, so I guess you are supposed to pull up every shoot except the original. The farmers who formerly kept seed from year to year are now in violation, if they use those plants. And this IS in fact happening. A certain person took an existing bean, the Mayacoba bean, and patented it in the US. A person who was already importing the bean (native to Mexico) had to stop her business. If you don't believe it: http://www.americanradioworks.org/features/food_politics/beans/3.html Now, the same issue applies to bacteria. If a new strain is cultivated, then I would imagine you are not supposed to propagate it. It seems silly applied to bacteria you eat, because certainly they WILL propagate, and likely get all over your kitchen too. But how do you say " this is a new strain " anyway? It's not like all the strains existing are catalogued and DNA footprinted. The first person who catalogues it and patents it " owns " it, even if, like the Mayacoba, it has been around for centuries. Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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