Re: metabolic diet

[Guest guest]

At 06:46 PM 9/6/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>That being the case, what is your advice about the best (or any) method to

>lose weight. I am a postmenopausal woman -- and have been struggling for

>years. I live on a low carb diet (high in low starch veggies though) and have

>been known to gain weight even while in ketosis. I also exercise several

>times a week -- to absolutely no benefit that I can see.

>

>Namaste, Liz

I don't know if this is relevant or not, but do you recall the very oldest

statues ever created (as far as anyone has found, anyway) by people?

They are these little " goddess " statues. No one knows what they were

for or why they were created, but they are really old. Older than

farming and high starch diets. And there are lots of these little

statues.

But what gets me is this: those women goddesses are FAT! So

tell me, where did they get their models? If all their active,

low-starch women were skinny, how did they get the idea

to make fat statues of women? If it's true that low-carb diets

make skinny people, their women should have been skinny.

But the detail on those statues make it clear that they knew

full well what a fat lady looks like (a lot more fat than

would be accounted for by pregnancy), regardless of *why*

they chose to carve chunky women (today people would

be carving Barbie dolls, I think!).

The cave paintings that show folks hunting animals all

seem to show skinny hunters.

To see what I mean, if you haven't seen it:

http://www.goddess-gallery.com/neolithic.html

This is from 25,000 years ago. My conclusion: maybe some

women just aren't supposed to be skinny, at least in

some times of their lives, no matter how healthy the

diet?

Heidi

[Guest guest]

Quoting Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>:

> But what gets me is this: those women goddesses are FAT! So

> tell me, where did they get their models? If all their active,

> low-starch women were skinny, how did they get the idea

> to make fat statues of women?

A lot of the statues are clearly exaggerated, especially in the breasts and

hips. Fat, particularly in these areas, was associated with fertility, and

they presumably sought to exaggerate it in their deities. This isn't to say

that there were no fat women back then (even on a low-carb diet, it's

possible to become overweight by overeating), but the fact that their

statues are obese doesn't necessarily mean that the women looked like that.

To answer Liz's original question, I do have a few suggestions, but, since

I've never having been overweight myself, feel free to take them with a

grain of salt. First, eat slowly and stop when you're no longer hungry,

rather than when you're full. Second, exercise. Don't do politically-

correct exercises like walking, jogging on elliptical treadmills, and

lifting soup cans. Cardiovascular exercise should be hard and fast. Sprint,

run up hills, do jumping jacks, do whatever, but if you can keep up the

pace for more than a few minutes, it's not hard enough. Then rest for a few

minutes and do it again. Resistance exercise should be done with heavy

weights. If you can lift something more than about eight times, it's not

heavy enough. For a good way to integrate resistance and cardiovascular

exercise, see Pavel Tsatsouline's " From Russia with Tough Love " at

http://www.dragondoor.com.

....Unless you have heart problems. In that case, go find someone who knows

what he's talking about.

--

Berg

bberg@...

[Guest guest]

I think thin is highly overrated in our culture. I apologise for not

remembering the reference but I remember reading that after

menopause women need extra fat on them. Something about the extra fat

helps them produce estrogen after their ovaries stop doing it. Also my

mother in law had a very astute observation. She lived in a retirement

trailer park for a while and she notice that non of the really old people

that lived there were thin.....

Irene

At 04:37 PM 9/6/02, you wrote:

>At 06:46 PM 9/6/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> >That being the case, what is your advice about the best (or any) method to

> >lose weight. I am a postmenopausal woman -- and have been struggling for

> >years. I live on a low carb diet (high in low starch veggies though) and

> have

> >been known to gain weight even while in ketosis. I also exercise several

> >times a week -- to absolutely no benefit that I can see.

> >

> >Namaste, Liz

>

>I don't know if this is relevant or not, but do you recall the very oldest

>statues ever created (as far as anyone has found, anyway) by people?

>They are these little " goddess " statues. No one knows what they were

>for or why they were created, but they are really old. Older than

>farming and high starch diets. And there are lots of these little

>statues.

>

>But what gets me is this: those women goddesses are FAT! So

>tell me, where did they get their models? If all their active,

>low-starch women were skinny, how did they get the idea

>to make fat statues of women? If it's true that low-carb diets

>make skinny people, their women should have been skinny.

>But the detail on those statues make it clear that they knew

>full well what a fat lady looks like (a lot more fat than

>would be accounted for by pregnancy), regardless of *why*

>they chose to carve chunky women (today people would

>be carving Barbie dolls, I think!).

>

>The cave paintings that show folks hunting animals all

>seem to show skinny hunters.

>

>To see what I mean, if you haven't seen it:

>

><http://www.goddess-gallery.com/neolithic.html>http://www.goddess-gallery.com/n\

eolithic.html

>

>This is from 25,000 years ago. My conclusion: maybe some

>women just aren't supposed to be skinny, at least in

>some times of their lives, no matter how healthy the

>diet?

>

>

>Heidi

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

> But what gets me is this: those women goddesses are FAT!

--snip--

>

> To see what I mean, if you haven't seen it:

>

> http://www.goddess-gallery.com/neolithic.html

>

> This is from 25,000 years ago.

### I wonder how accurate their dating methods really are for these figures.

Marla

[Guest guest]

I was told by an ethnomusicologist that when royal women were buried, one

admonition at the burial was said to be " may you have the largest thighs in

the afterlife " .

Irene

At 05:07 PM 9/6/02, you wrote:

>Quoting Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>:

>

> > But what gets me is this: those women goddesses are FAT! So

> > tell me, where did they get their models? If all their active,

> > low-starch women were skinny, how did they get the idea

> > to make fat statues of women?

>

>A lot of the statues are clearly exaggerated, especially in the breasts and

>hips. Fat, particularly in these areas, was associated with fertility, and

>they presumably sought to exaggerate it in their deities. This isn't to say

>that there were no fat women back then (even on a low-carb diet, it's

>possible to become overweight by overeating), but the fact that their

>statues are obese doesn't necessarily mean that the women looked like that.

>

>To answer Liz's original question, I do have a few suggestions, but, since

>I've never having been overweight myself, feel free to take them with a

>grain of salt. First, eat slowly and stop when you're no longer hungry,

>rather than when you're full. Second, exercise. Don't do politically-

>correct exercises like walking, jogging on elliptical treadmills, and

>lifting soup cans. Cardiovascular exercise should be hard and fast. Sprint,

>run up hills, do jumping jacks, do whatever, but if you can keep up the

>pace for more than a few minutes, it's not hard enough. Then rest for a few

>minutes and do it again. Resistance exercise should be done with heavy

>weights. If you can lift something more than about eight times, it's not

>heavy enough. For a good way to integrate resistance and cardiovascular

>exercise, see Pavel Tsatsouline's " From Russia with Tough Love " at

><http://www.dragondoor.com.>http://www.dragondoor.com.

>

>...Unless you have heart problems. In that case, go find someone who knows

>what he's talking about.

>

>--

> Berg

>bberg@...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was told by an ethnomusicologist that when royal women were buried, one

admonition at the burial was said to be " may you have the largest thighs in

the afterlife " .

------->geeeez, who needs the largest thighs in the afterlife when you've

already endured them in *this* life!!

LOL!

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

Firstly I am going to assume that you have investigated the

possibility that you are a perfect size for you and you've concluded

that's not the case.

Also I am going to assume that you have tried a variety of " diets " to

no avail.

My final assumption is that you are being honest in that you are

eating as cleanly as you say.

With that said I would say that it is so unusual for someone NOT to

lose weight when in ketosis in particular that I would go as far as

to say that you may have a metabolic/endocrine problem. certainly

metabolic, likely endocrine. My suggestion would be finding a

professional who can assess your diet and overall functioning and

guide you in correcting this problem. The result will likely be the

weight loss you are looking for.

DMM

>

> In a message dated 9/6/02 7:16:35 AM, @y... writes:

>

> >Although there is some merit to pct of macros I

> >

> >honestly look at this as nearly as absurd as counting calories or

fat

> >

> >grams.

>

> That being the case, what is your advice about the best (or any)

method to

> lose weight. I am a postmenopausal woman -- and have been

struggling for

> years. I live on a low carb diet (high in low starch veggies

though) and have

> been known to gain weight even while in ketosis. I also exercise

several

> times a week -- to absolutely no benefit that I can see.

>

> Namaste, Liz

> <A HREF= " http://www.csun.edu/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html " >

> http://www.csun.edu/~ecm59556/Healthycarb/index.html</A>

[Guest guest]

Oops, forgot to mention that was in ancient egypt.

At 06:07 PM 9/6/02, you wrote:

>I was told by an ethnomusicologist that when royal women were buried, one

>admonition at the burial was said to be " may you have the largest thighs in

>the afterlife " .

>

>------->geeeez, who needs the largest thighs in the afterlife when you've

>already endured them in *this* life!!

>

>LOL!

>

>Suze Fisher

>Web Design & Development

><http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/>http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vz\

e3shjg/

>mailto:s.fisher22@...

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:07:20 -0700, you wrote:

>Quoting Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>:

>

>> But what gets me is this: those women goddesses are FAT! So

>> tell me, where did they get their models? If all their active,

>> low-starch women were skinny, how did they get the idea

>> to make fat statues of women?

>

>A lot of the statues are clearly exaggerated, especially in the breasts and

>hips. Fat, particularly in these areas, was associated with fertility, and

>they presumably sought to exaggerate it in their deities. This isn't to say

>that there were no fat women back then (even on a low-carb diet, it's

>possible to become overweight by overeating), but the fact that their

>statues are obese doesn't necessarily mean that the women looked like that.

It occurs to me that the fat on any person might be looked at as a good sign. To

get fat, there would have to be plenty of food. So the fat goddess could also

represent fertility in the land as well as the womb. In any case, it would be

hard to imagine that as fat as the statues are was anything like a normal

situation

Mike E

[Guest guest]

Irene-

No offense or anything, but I don't see how we can draw any useful

conclusions from this. The prevailing assumptions about estrogen supported

HRT, and I doubt people living in a trailer park can afford to eat

healthily in today's economy and environment.

>Something about the extra fat

>helps them produce estrogen after their ovaries stop doing it. Also my

>mother in law had a very astute observation. She lived in a retirement

>trailer park for a while and she notice that non of the really old people

>that lived there were thin.....

-

[Guest guest]

No conclusions expected, just an observation woth noting from an unexpected

source. (lighten up)!

At 10:09 AM 9/7/02, you wrote:

>Irene-

>

>No offense or anything, but I don't see how we can draw any useful

>conclusions from this. The prevailing assumptions about estrogen supported

>HRT, and I doubt people living in a trailer park can afford to eat

>healthily in today's economy and environment.

>

> >Something about the extra fat

> >helps them produce estrogen after their ovaries stop doing it. Also my

> >mother in law had a very astute observation. She lived in a retirement

> >trailer park for a while and she notice that non of the really old people

> >that lived there were thin.....

>

>

>

>-

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> hi aLL

>

> Just wondered if anyone had had any experience with the metablic type diet? I

did the test and found out I'm a protein type and should have a diet high in

animal fat and protein for optimum health. (which i have been doing for three

months now) I have now had to stop eating lemons limes ginger garlic onions and

mustard seeds. Oh no ! I thought that was terrible because I love those things

but since i have stopped them I haven't had any tummy trouble (bloating

constipation diarhea constant burping) and my Rheumatiod arthritis has eased

unblievably! I am also eating alot of seafood cos I read that it cures RA. It

seems to be helping after 3 days!

>

> Does anyone else here know theie metabloic type and/or had experience with

this? when I was doing the candida diet alone I felt like I was not making

progress, I feel like i have turned the corner at last!

+++Hi . Welcome to our group. All human bodies are exactly the same, just

like animals of the same species are in the wild who, by instinct eat the same

foods, i.e. tigers and cats who are carnivores.

So there are no different body types, blood types or metabolic types, we are all

made the same.

As Dr. Weston A. Price writes in his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration:

" We humans have the same rigid restrictions regarding food selection as the

simpler forms of life when foods are evaluated from their chemical basis. " page

464

" Also, it is not necessary to adopt the foods of any particular racial stock,

but only to make our nutrition adequate in all its nutritive factors to the

primitive nutrition. Tooth decay is not only unnecessary, but an indication of

our divergence from Nature's fundamental laws of life and health. " page 415

There are Four Causes of Failing Health:

1. Lack of proper nutrition and oxygen.

2. Accumulation of toxins, poisons, and waste.

3. Lowered vitality due to stress, shock, injury, emotional upsets, relationship

or financial worries and concerns, etc.

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corrected by proper nutrition.

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immune system by:

1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer),

3) Eliminating damaging foods, and

4) Eliminating toxins in general.

When the immune system is strong enough it will automatically " make " candida (or

any bug, cancer, etc.) change back into the organism it is supposed to be when

the body is healthy.

It's like the manure pile and the flies, with the manure pile representing the

poor condition of the body. You cannot get rid of the manure pile by killing

off the flies. You must clean up the manure pile instead, which means building

up your immune system.

In fact the dis-ease processes are exactly the same as the healing processes,

with the only difference being that on this program a person is now progressing

towards health rather than becoming more and more unhealthy.

The medical field labels each and every " sign " of poor health as separate

dis-eases or illnesses, instead of calling them what they actually are, i.e.

" signs " the body is working hard at maintaining its health in spite of poor

nutrition, toxins, etc.

Please ensure you read two important articles so you understand candida, and

know what you need to do and why:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

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