hunter/gatherer pregnancy rates

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In a message dated 9/10/02 7:11:56 AM,

writes:

>If you watch those hunter/gatherer

>women they are usually pregnant or hauling a kid on one hip

My reading of stone age women indicates that they actually spaced their

children out quite a bit -- if I remember correctly it was at least 3 years

between children -- probably due to long lactation and perhaps 'lower'

hormones due to their overall leaness.

Namaste, Liz

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The leanness may be a factor as well as the frequency of nursing (!Kung San

women nurse their children every 15 min. for a couple of min. if I remember

correctly.

Dettwyler is an anthropologist who has studied this in detail.

She has a website you might want to check out for more information. I read

her book and she went into detail on the spacing of pregnancies in relation

to farmers who consumed grain and had a higher percentage of body fat, less

number of years

between birth, and compared them with modern day hunter gatherers such as the

!Kung San tribe.

piiimaman

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At 05:10 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>My reading of stone age women indicates that they actually spaced their

>children out quite a bit -- if I remember correctly it was at least 3 years

>between children -- probably due to long lactation and perhaps 'lower'

>hormones due to their overall leaness.

>Namaste, Liz

That's what I read too. And they mostly carried them around and nursed them for

those 3 years. There is a wonderful book called " The Continuum

Concept " by a lady who lived with a tribe for a couple of years,

and talks a lot about their child-rearing.

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Cabrita Software

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Hi Heidi,

I have The Continuum Concept and it's one of my favortite books. I

highly recommend it!

Robin

<<That's what I read too. And they mostly carried them around and nursed

them for those 3 years. There is a wonderful book called " The Continuum

Concept " by a lady who lived with a tribe for a couple of years, and

talks a lot about their child-rearing.>>

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This whole pregnancy rate thing is interesting to me. I've been eating a

whole foods diet practically my whole life (although it was a grain based

vegan one for many years)

A bit before the conception of my third child I was introduced to NT and then

to Aajounus's book. I ate an Aajounus diet pretty much while nursing my son.

He nursed for a little over three and a half years and I had no periods

during that time, when he was 3 1/2 I did ovulate and I conceived another

child. That child is now 2 1/2 and I've not had a cylce since the third child

was conceived. I do try and eat little in the way of grain. Does anyone else

out there have an experience nursing and eating low carb diet and have

fertility rates similar to hunter/gatherers. I want to confirm I'm not some

lone freak living in modern society!

I always wanted my kids spaced closer but it didn't work out that way. Oh

well, it's too late now.

piimaman

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That's what I read too. And they mostly carried them around and nursed them for

those 3 years. There is a wonderful book called " The Continuum

Concept " by a lady who lived with a tribe for a couple of years,

and talks a lot about their child-rearing.

I've read that book. Its a great book to read. Very interesting. Attechment

Parenting has a lot of good points. I have 3 children. My eldest boy Niek is 4

years, my daughter Lotte is 2 years and my youngest daughter Emma is 2 months.

I've nursed them all. Niek till he was 3, Lotte stopped drinking from the breast

when she was 2 and I hope Emma will go on for a long time. My eldest son from 4

is drinking again from the breast. He loves it.

My reading of stone age women indicates that they actually spaced their

>children out quite a bit -- if I remember correctly it was at least 3 years

>between children -- probably due to long lactation and perhaps 'lower'

>hormones due to their overall leaness.

Altough I've breastfeeded them long my children are not spaced. It's a little

busy sometimes but its also very social.

Greetings,

Heleen

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>>>>Altough I've breastfeeded them long my children are not spaced. It's a

little busy sometimes but its also very social.

------->do they have to pick a number and get in line ;-)

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

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Yep.

Sounds very social, isn't it? And very natural.....

;-)

Heleen

>>>>Altough I've breastfeeded them long my children are not spaced. It's a

little busy sometimes but its also very social.

------->do they have to pick a number and get in line ;-)

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

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>> Does anyone else

out there have an experience nursing and eating low carb diet and have

fertility rates similar to hunter/gatherers.

My cycle returns when my babies night-wean. I (forcibly) night-weaned

the first at 15mo, and got pregnant at 17mo. (Yes, I wish I had not

night-weaned her, not because of the pregnancy, but for other reasons).

#2 night-weaned at 22mo, and I soon got my cycle back. I am now nursing

#3, who is 11mo and still nursing at night, and have no signs of

returning fertility yet.

Of course, this varies widely for different women. I wasn't eating

particularly low-carb at the time; didn't get into that until I was

already pregnant with #3.

~ Carma ~

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What's the Aajounus diet?

Astrid

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:26 PM

Subject: Re: hunter/gatherer pregnancy rates

>

> A bit before the conception of my third child I was introduced to NT and

then

> to Aajounus's book. I ate an Aajounus diet pretty much while nursing my

son.

> He nursed for a little over three and a half years and I had no periods

>

>

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Aajounus Vonderplanitz - We Want To Live, his diet is based on raw animal

foods, no grain (except small amounts of white sourdough bread) it consists

of raw butter, honey, raw meat, eggs, avocados, some fruit, etc.. I was

introduced to it by Pacetti.

piimaman

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Kat, I was on an Aajounus diet for a good 18 months., I had a superabnormal

amount of energy which was really too much for me to handle. I didn't sleep,

I felt like an animal (it was a very raw feeling and really toyed with my

senses/nerves etc..) and I became very thin (and I'm on the thinner side to

start with).

My son (who I was nursing at the time ) remained fine and has had really good

health.

It was a very interesting experience. I have a good friend that was also

doing it at the time (she had been a long time raw food vegan (25 years)and

messed her health up - she had developed cancer and tried to heal herself

with a macro diet (I had been a long time macro) and that's how we met.

Anyway she experimented for a couple of years after macrobiotics with Dr.

Schmids Native Nutrition type diet since she lived near him and then she met

Aajounus and really loved how she felt on his type of diet at first (the

first two years ) but then she described the same type experience I had (we

are both metabolically very similar , we look alike , weigh the same )

although she's 20 years older.

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Hi piimaman,

I live in Los Angeles area, not far from Aajounus, and was introduced to his

work by a friend. I never got involved because when I tried to eat the meat

I kept gagging, just could not do it.

Did you try it?

Kat

http://www.katking.com

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:56 AM

Subject: Re: hunter/gatherer pregnancy rates

> Aajounus Vonderplanitz - We Want To Live, his diet is based on raw animal

> foods, no grain (except small amounts of white sourdough bread) it

consists

> of raw butter, honey, raw meat, eggs, avocados, some fruit, etc.. I was

> introduced to it by Pacetti.

> piimaman

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Yes, she did so an Aajounus's diet. Now she eats cooked meat and vegetables

as well as raw and soaked grains - a modified NT type diet.

piimaman

On a sidenote -when she was doing the Aajounus diet she was in her late

forties and looked about 35 at most, her body was toned to the maximum

despite not working out (just dancing at night).

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You are welcome Marla.

piiimaman

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Zumicat: Was your friend able to heal her cancer?

Marla

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From: <zumicat@...>

> Kat, I was on an Aajounus diet for a good 18 months., I had a

superabnormal

> amount of energy which was really too much for me to handle. I didn't

sleep,

> I felt like an animal (it was a very raw feeling and really toyed with my

> senses/nerves etc..) and I became very thin (and I'm on the thinner side

to

> start with).

> My son (who I was nursing at the time ) remained fine and has had really

good

> health.

> It was a very interesting experience. I have a good friend that was also

> doing it at the time (she had been a long time raw food vegan (25

years)and

> messed her health up - she had developed cancer and tried to heal herself

> with a macro diet (I had been a long time macro) and that's how we met.

> Anyway she experimented for a couple of years after macrobiotics with Dr.

> Schmids Native Nutrition type diet since she lived near him and then she

met

> Aajounus and really loved how she felt on his type of diet at first (the

> first two years ) but then she described the same type experience I had

(we

> are both metabolically very similar , we look alike , weigh the same )

> although she's 20 years older.

>

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Thanks, these are the things I really like to know about!

Marla

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From: <zumicat@...>

> Yes, she did so an Aajounus's diet. Now she eats cooked meat and

vegetables

> as well as raw and soaked grains - a modified NT type diet.

> piimaman

> On a sidenote -when she was doing the Aajounus diet she was in her late

> forties and looked about 35 at most, her body was toned to the maximum

> despite not working out (just dancing at night).

>