remineralizing teeth & wheat gruel

[Guest guest]

>As for the healthy primatives: I still haven't heard of one of those tribes

that used WHEAT, which is the main topic of the book (they aren't really

anti-carb,

though they recommend a lower-carb diet).

If the above is true is there a misunderstanding here; this came from an

earlier post regarding remineralizing teeth:

Additionally, Price had his patients eat freshly ground wheat gruel and bone

broth soups. He had children go on a program where they would eat one meal

a day with him, and at home they kept eating modern crap foods. The one

meal a day consisted of a glass of raw milk before dinner and another after

dinner, if I remember right, with a bone broth soup for one course, a gruel

made from freshly ground wheat, a main course, and supplements of cod liver

oil and butter taken together. Price thought the wheat germ was very

important for fat soluble vitamins, but in particular, vitamin E, which it

is the best source of, which he thought important to calcium utilization.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joy,

I don't think there is a misunderstanding. Heidi wrote about no tribes

using wheat and as far as I could find in NAPD she is correct, I couldn't

find a reference to any of the isolated tribes (using their traditional

foods) Price studied using wheat--if someone has a reference to this, please

share with us. However, as I stated in an earlier post and as you quote

below, Price documents that he used whole wheat (freshly ground) to treat

his patients at times (among other things like butter, CLO, etc.)to replace

refined wheat products. But that is his use not one that he apparently

found in the traditional diets of the people he studied. I suspect this

whole area of wheat is not a one variable problem. And not only are there

the variables about the genetics of the wheat, how it is raised and how it

is prepared but also variables in the metabolic types of the people eating

it which may play a role. I think the best we can do is come up with some

broad recommendations and leave it to people's own intution and bodies to

sort out the fine details.

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From: Joy [mailto:joyk10@...]

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:10 AM

Subject: remineralizing teeth & wheat gruel

>As for the healthy primatives: I still haven't heard of one of those tribes

that used WHEAT, which is the main topic of the book (they aren't really

anti-carb,

though they recommend a lower-carb diet).

If the above is true is there a misunderstanding here; this came from an

earlier post regarding remineralizing teeth:

Additionally, Price had his patients eat freshly ground wheat gruel and bone

broth soups. He had children go on a program where they would eat one meal

a day with him, and at home they kept eating modern crap foods. The one

meal a day consisted of a glass of raw milk before dinner and another after

dinner, if I remember right, with a bone broth soup for one course, a gruel

made from freshly ground wheat, a main course, and supplements of cod liver

oil and butter taken together. Price thought the wheat germ was very

important for fat soluble vitamins, but in particular, vitamin E, which it

is the best source of, which he thought important to calcium utilization.

[Guest guest]

At 10:10 AM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>If the above is true is there a misunderstanding here; this came from an

>earlier post regarding remineralizing teeth:

>Additionally, Price had his patients eat freshly ground wheat gruel and bone

>broth soups. He had children go on a program where they would eat one meal

>a day with him, and at home they kept eating modern crap foods. The one

>meal a day consisted of a glass of raw milk before dinner and another after

>dinner, if I remember right, with a bone broth soup for one course, a gruel

>made from freshly ground wheat, a main course, and supplements of cod liver

>oil and butter taken together. Price thought the wheat germ was very

>important for fat soluble vitamins, but in particular, vitamin E, which it

>is the best source of, which he thought important to calcium utilization.

If you are not sensitive to wheat, it can be good for you, no argument.

It is fairly common for gluten sensitivity to go away during the school

years: in

Price's day most of the *really* sensitive people died when they were

babies. The

concept of " adult celiac " didn't exist much then. And he didn't extend the

experiment for 20 years, which is the amount of time they think it takes for

an adult to commonly have problems. Also, gluten problems often go into

remission during childhood: most docs thought it was a " baby disease " ,

and if the baby survived into childhood they were " cured " . If you read

the literature of the times, babies often died of " the flux " , which is

now thought to have been often caused by gluten intolerance. The ones

who survived (esp. if they were poor) were probably pretty gluten tolerant.

So according to modern research, if you fed wheat to 100 kids, 80 of them

would have few or no problems, and 20 of them would have problems

that might only show up when they were 40 or so (and the first problem

they might get is cancer or infertility or short stature). So it is too

small an experiment to prove or disprove the concept, I think.

Also, the cod liver oil and broth could well have made up for the

problems caused by the wheat gruel, and maybe the wheat gruel

was somewhat displacing the wheat bread they would be eating

otherwise. The fact their teeth NEEDED remineralizing in the

first place may well have been that they came from a gluten-eating

non-grain soaking culture.

Heidi