mold, was Dangerous Grains

[Guest guest]

>>>>I guess I'd want to see more detail and evidence of what she's talking

about. Plums (and most fruits) are covered in a thin layer of yeast,

which is natural, and there are probably slight bits of mold. But

not all molds are harmful: we breathe them all the time,

--------->we also *eat* them in cheese! did anyone read the recent New

Yorker article on the nun who makes artisan (old fashioned) raw cheese in

wooden barrels and became a part of the movement to legalize raw cheese in

the US (or at least allow them to be sold after the 60 day fermentation

period). she even went back to school to get a degree in biochemistry, and

she travelled to france and visited small village cheese makers (the detail

here were intriguing). it's a fascinating article and goes into a little

depth on the various molds, the 'underground' raw cheese movement in the US

(including fancy restaurants), the battle with the FDA and the issues

involved in raw cheese making for small farmers. IIRC, there have been more

outbreaks of botulims from *pasteurized* cheese in the US, than from *raw*

cheese. i think the nun found that some bacteria or molds that formed on her

wooden barrel actually prevented the cheese from being infested with

pathogenic molds, but the stainless steel equipment that the FDA regulations

required didn't of course, provide such protection. i hope i'm recalling the

details correctly. i haven't been able to locate the article online, but

would recommend it if you can find it.

BTW, i'm a bit suspect of hulda clark. i know of someone who visited one of

her clinics in mexico with a family member who had aids, and describes the

condition of the clinic as a dirty, run down place (and clark is a poster

child for extreme hygiene) and they left there truly depressed. i do have

one or two of her books, and i think there's *some* good stuff in there, but

i'm also skeptical of her view that *every* disease is caused by parasites.

i wonder if she's familiar with the worm hypothesis and new research that

has found some (formerly considered pathogenic parasites) to be important

stimulants of our immune system. anyway, that's JMHO.

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

i wrote:

" i wonder if she's familiar with the worm hypothesis and new research that

has found some (formerly considered pathogenic parasites) to be important

stimulants of our immune system. anyway, that's JMHO. "

------->by that, i mean some parasites stimulate the immune system in a way

that " strengthens " it and makes it work better against a variety of

pathogens.

oh, and i shouldn't have used the word 'formerly' to describe these

parasites, because i believe they are still considered 'pathogenic' although

maybe that needs to be re-thought. benefits vs. risk may depend on the

amount present, as well as other variables.

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

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mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

At 08:47 AM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>. i do have

>one or two of her books, and i think there's *some* good stuff in there, but

>i'm also skeptical of her view that *every* disease is caused by parasites.

>i wonder if she's familiar with the worm hypothesis and new research that

>has found some (formerly considered pathogenic parasites) to be important

>stimulants of our immune system. anyway, that's JMHO.

I've noticed that a lot of cures that *work*, work for reasons other

than the given explanation. (I eat mold too: I love the stuff that

comes on real salami!). I kind of think the vitamin C does *something*

if it helps people, maybe mitigate the immune response or change

a protein structure on a mold so it's not recognizable to people

who are allergic to it?

Heidi

[Guest guest]

I finally found the book. Here are a couple of things I found interesting:

1> Dr. writes, " I suppose Vit. C acts like bisulfate; chemically

destroying the mold toxin molecules. " P 383

2> " What is so important about mold? Some of them produce very, very, toxic

chemicals wherever they grow. They produce some of the most toxic chemicals

known to exist. Aflatoxin is one of these. My tests shows it is always

present in cancer patients; in other words it has build up *** due to the

body's inability to detoxify in a reasonable amount of time. " P 382

Aflatoxins are present in nuts, rice (especially brown. Cooking detoxifies

somewhat in pasta, vinegar, honey, bread. "

3> Fruit mold, called Patulin, is most pronounced if the fruit is bruised.

This mold is particularly hazardous because it can actually grow in your

intestines in patches. At these locations, bowel bacteria E. Coli and

Shingella, can climb through the colon wall making it possible for these

bacteria to spread to areas of injury and tumors. Bananas, lemons and

melons are ok if not bruised. P 389 (sounds like leaky gut)

4> Foods to especially watch out for are: crackers, fresh bruised fruit,

dried fruit, peanut butter, nuts, tea in tea bags, maple syrup (hi in

aflatoxin), grains, potato skins, dried peas and beans, pasta, bread, beer,

wine, popcorn, corn chips, cheese and milk.

When I first read all this years ago I thought it was a bit much. I mean

what is left?

As I have become more and more chemical and food sensitive I have had to

look at all these things. I suspect that there are many foods I have

eliminated that I can probably eat if I eliminate the mold first. And it is

so simple, a little bit of Vit. C either in the cooking water or soaked

first.

With the cheese and milk, I ferment all my milk and make my own cheeses.

When I occasionally eat cheese or other foods I cannot de-mold, I take a

little Vit. C, either in a tab or I add the crystals into an herbal tea.

Not everyone has to worry about every little bit of food they eat. If you

are healthy, your body has the ability to eliminate these natural toxins.

I share this information for the other people, like me, who have spent years

and years in pain and have spent thousands of dollars trying to regain our

health. It is no one thing that will restore us to health, but all these

pieces of information begin to add up. I am finally at a point where I KNOW

I will completely recover. While all this is hard work, so is being ill.

Take care,

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " Heidi Schuppenhauer " <heidis@...>

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:31 PM

Subject: Re: mold, was Dangerous Grains

> At 08:47 AM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> >. i do have

> >one or two of her books, and i think there's *some* good stuff in there,

but

> >i'm also skeptical of her view that *every* disease is caused by

parasites.

> >i wonder if she's familiar with the worm hypothesis and new research that

> >has found some (formerly considered pathogenic parasites) to be important

> >stimulants of our immune system. anyway, that's JMHO.

>

> I've noticed that a lot of cures that *work*, work for reasons other

> than the given explanation. (I eat mold too: I love the stuff that

> comes on real salami!). I kind of think the vitamin C does *something*

> if it helps people, maybe mitigate the immune response or change

> a protein structure on a mold so it's not recognizable to people

> who are allergic to it?

>

>

> Heidi