Re: Lead

September 7, 2000

I think lead is everywhere. I was surprised my son's first-month urine didn't show high lead because we've lived in so many old houses and scraped and painted them umpteen times. Correct me if I'm wrong, listmates, but I think it can be in the soil near highways, in paint from older houses, also in water from lead pipes etc. etc. By the way, for any of you starting out, I would suggest you do a toxic metals, not just mercury when you do the urine test. That way you know what you're starting with. We saw changes during the first month, but have no idea what, if anything, we brought down.

Barb

[ ] Lead

Where do our children get their high lead from? Joan

June 14, 2001

Hi list,

I live in a 100+ year old house. Recently the town tested our water for

free, for Lead and Copper. I called the today and was told my water was

" fine " . How can this be? Should I get a second opinion? My son's urine

tests show elevated lead. We now drink filtered water but I drank tons

of unfiltered water while pregnant and used it to mix my son's formula,

cooking etc. The watr sample sat on my front porch for two days in the

sun before they picked it up. Could this affect the results? Any insight

would be appreciated. Thank you,

*******************

there are a lot of sources of lead other than water- soil,

paint, venetian blinds, etc. But where did they test your water.

they often do it at the pump, but the main sources in water are from the

fixtures, so testing must be from water you use from kitchen.

Bernie

October 27, 2001

Hi Joan,

There are hundreds of people on this list who are much more knowledgable

than I am. I have learned from reading the posts of others especially

experts like Andy.

Have you checked the test results against Andy Cutler's 'counting rules'

because that is the best thing you can do to determine mercury toxicity.

Celia

>

> =======================================================

>

October 27, 2001

>Hi,

>I'm not Tina but I'm very interested in this thread because my son's

>tests from Great Smokies also showed high in Lead and others

>including Aluminum, Antimony and Arsenic. The Nutrient Elements

>showed he was low in Calcium, Mag. and Zinc. Curiously, Copper came

>in borderline low(10.0-reference range being 9.0-23.0.)If he is

>Mercury poisened, wouldn't the copper be higher?

>

>If Mercury is not a problem, would Andy's book be helpful to me? My

>son has not been diagnosed but I feel he shows many symptoms of being

>ADHD. Any help would be appreciated.

>

>Joan

Hello Joan,

As others have been saying (I'm getting the threads all mixed up!),

please read the counting rules-- you can find that file here:

/files/Counting%2BRules

Don't assume that your son is not mercury poisoned if he has

a normal reading for hair mercury. Many (probably most) people

who are mercury toxic show up as " normal " . Read the counting

rules, then ask questions if it doesn't make sense.

DMSA was approved as a drug based on its (good) ability to chelate

lead. It also chelates mercury. ALA chelates arsenic in addition

to mercury.

I don't know about the copper question. You might try reading

some of the items here that are related, although I don't know

if this will answer your question in particular:

/files/ANDY_INDEX

regards,

Moria

October 28, 2001

> <Your description of test results shows that your child may meet the

> 'counting rules' for mercury toxicity (see files section on web-

> site), as

> many essential elements are low of normal. This is an effect caused

by

> mercury disruption, its worth posting the results on list so others

> can

> comment.

> DMSA is good for lead chelation. I have some good abstracts I can

> email you

> if this would be useful.>

>

> Hi,

> I'm not Tina but I'm very interested in this thread because my son's

> tests from Great Smokies also showed high in Lead and others

> including Aluminum, Antimony and Arsenic. The Nutrient Elements

> showed he was low in Calcium, Mag. and Zinc. Curiously, Copper came

> in borderline low(10.0-reference range being 9.0-23.0.)If he is

> Mercury poisened, wouldn't the copper be higher?

No. It only tends high in blood, not hair.

>

> If Mercury is not a problem, would Andy's book be helpful to me?

Yes, since most of it explains how to treat symptoms and biochemical

problems with supplements and medicines. It doens't matter if

something other than mercury is causing the problems.

>My

> son has not been diagnosed but I feel he shows many symptoms of

being

> ADHD. Any help would be appreciated.

>

August 9, 2002

--- In @y..., " Darmohray " <edarmohray@e...>

wrote:

> The thread on lead in pottery reminds me that I've heard

> recently that Beethoven died of lead poisoning from the pewter

> cup he drank from. Does anybody know anything about pewter or

> other lead dangers?

Yes, old pewter contained lead. New pewter is lead-free, but it

doesn't have the same dark patina as the old stuff. There's an old

pewter coffee service that has been passed down in our family; it's

gorgeous to look at, but I'd never in a million years use the stuff.

January 26, 2009

Wow, thanks everyone for all of your insight and suggestions. Her lead test was

taken from a prick of her foot. Her level was 7.7. It should be below 10 but the

pediatrician said they kids levels normally are about 1. The ped wants me to

follow up with a venous lead test (from her vein rather than a prick of her

foot). Apparantly they can get high numbers if the foot is contamimated with

things - lead being one. Not sure how it would have lead on it - ink? Anyhow, if

this second test confirms such a high level two things are possible 1. she is

being exposed to it somewhere in our home. in which case, I will have the house

tested. 2. she is being exposed to normal levels like everyone else but she has

difficulty detoxifying. I really pray that the level was just plain wrong to

begin with. I've noticed some teeth marks on her crib - when she stand in her

crib and waits for us to get her, sometimes she bites on the crib. Normal? I

don't know. But in any case, I am wondering if there is any lead in the finish.

The crib is JPMA certified but I will call the manufacturer nevertheless.

Thanks, all.

Re: Re: lead

>

> Test your bathtub. As many as 70 percent of bathtubs are leaching

> lead!. And look for paint chips. As far as I know, the lead

> paint was

> still in use in the eighties. Also have your soil tested if they

> play in

> the dirt or eat anything grown in the yard. As for formula I

> have never

> ever heard a report that baby formula had lead in it but formula

> does have

> high levels of aluminum. Good luck.

>

> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:53 PM, babysx9 > > wrote:

>

> > Have you checked your water? Even city water can have high lead

> > levels at times.

> >

> > >

> > > > My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested

> and it

> > came back

> > > > high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I

> have no

> > idea where

> > > > it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's

> so no

> > lead paint.

> > > > We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room

> which is

> > adjacent

> > > > to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause any of

> > this? She is

> > > > also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead levels were

> > fine. I am

> > > > really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > Christie

> > > >

January 27, 2009

There shouldn't be 10 allowed on lead tests. There should be a trace or nothing.

I don't know why they allow 10 to be " safe " . Lead harms undeveloped brains 4

times as bad as an adult's brain. They realy need to lower the " safe " level to

0. My daughter's lead level was quite elevated when she was a baby- 17, 12, 7,

5, 2, then not traceable in blood tests. She was diagnosed with autism. She

holds at not being on the board for lead anymore but this should be considered a

very important priority for you. Do you have plastic mini-blinds? They also

contain lead. Adequate intake of magnesium & calcium & zinc can push out the

lead called passivation. Selenium then binds to lead. When there is room for the

lead to move in, I always question a child's nutritional status. Jenn L

Re: Re: lead

>

> Test your bathtub. As many as 70 percent of bathtubs are leaching

> lead!. And look for paint chips. As far as I know, the lead

> paint was

> still in use in the eighties. Also have your soil tested if they

> play in

> the dirt or eat anything grown in the yard. As for formula I

> have never

> ever heard a report that baby formula had lead in it but formula

> does have

> high levels of aluminum. Good luck.

>

> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:53 PM, babysx9 > > wrote:

>

> > Have you checked your water? Even city water can have high lead

> > levels at times.

> >

> > >

> > > > My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested

> and it

> > came back

> > > > high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I

> have no

> > idea where

> > > > it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's

> so no

> > lead paint.

> > > > We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room

> which is

> > adjacent

> > > > to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause any of

> > this? She is

> > > > also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead levels were

> > fine. I am

> > > > really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > Christie

> > > >

January 27, 2009

Old mini-blinds were the problem. Newer ones shouldn't be--hopefully. I'm

thinking back 18 years to when my oldest son was born and this was in the news.

Winnie

Re: Re: lead

> >

> > Test your bathtub. As many as 70 percent of bathtubs are leaching

> > lead!. And look for paint chips. As far as I know, the lead

> > paint was

> > still in use in the eighties. Also have your soil tested if

> they

> > play in

> > the dirt or eat anything grown in the yard. As for formula I

> > have never

> > ever heard a report that baby formula had lead in it but

> formula

> > does have

> > high levels of aluminum. Good luck.

> >

> > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:53 PM, babysx9 > > wrote:

> >

> > > Have you checked your water? Even city water can have high lead

> > > levels at times.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead

> tested

> > and it

> > > came back

> > > > > high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician).

> I

> > have no

> > > idea where

> > > > > it's coming from. We live in a house built in the

> 1980's

> > so no

> > > lead paint.

> > > > > We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a

> room

> > which is

> > > adjacent

> > > > > to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause

> any of

> > > this? She is

> > > > > also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead

> levels were

> > > fine. I am

> > > > > really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > > Christie

> > > > >

January 28, 2009

Ok, if I am reading correctly, plastic and vinyl mini blinds both contain lead?

Specific kinds? All kinds? Can someone please provide more info on this, maybe

some links?

Thank you,

Rina

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