ISO: Alternative Pancreatic Cancer Treatments

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--- In @y..., " Jill Nienhiser " <jnienhiser@m...>

wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone else has any ideas beyond what I

> have told him about so far.

You might want to post this inquiry to the Mr_s_Corner

group:

Mr_s_Corner/

Other sources that come to mind:

http://www.altcancer.com/

http://www.sambiser.com/

[Guest guest]

you might want to check out Dr at http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/ if

you haven't already. He does nutritional therapy for cancer and is

conducting a study on pancreatic cancer. He is in NY but works with

patients all over the country.

Irene

At 10:36 AM 8/8/02, you wrote:

>Hi gang,

>

>A friend in Missouri was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and sent home to

>die. There was a tumor on the pancreas wrapping around the bile duct,

>leading to jaundice which is why they starting looking for something (to

>discover the source of the jaundice). The tumor has spread to the liver,

>which is fairly extensively involved. Surgery was ruled out because it

>spread, and he ruled out trying chemotherapy because the liver is involved

>and he figured the toxic chemicals would sit in his body longer since the

>liver would have a harder time filtering them out. They told him to " get his

>affairs in order " and " eat whatever you want " (sounds like they believe

>there is absolutely no hope).

>

>I figure, he's not doing chemo so that's great, and that he should

>immediately see a naturopath, make a major change in diet and start on

>various herbal supplements. The gist of what I recommended to him (with the

>caveat that he involve a naturopath to help establish a plan with him) are:

>

>FOOD:

>-unheated honey, bee pollen, and royal jelly

>-raw milk, butter, and cream (copiously)

>-raw and fermented grass fed meat and fish (kibbeh, ceviche, etc.)

>-strict exclusion of refined carbohydrates and processed foods, artificial

>colors, preservatives, sugar substitutes, etc.

>-NT beverages: beet kvass, whey drink, kombucha, raw liver cocktail, cabbage

>juice tonic, carrot juice cocktail

>-NT lacto-fermented products, particularly sauerkraut

>

>SUPPLEMENTS (compiled from numerous herbals I have; some duplication among

>the lists, of course):

>-GENERAL: cod liver oil and high vitamin butter oil (x-factor oil), and

>coconut oil

>-IMMUNITY BOOSTING: Echinacea, Ligustrum, Astragalus, Licorice, Bupleurum,

>Chinese skullcap, Ginseng, Ashwaganda, Chinese Shizandra, Calendula

>(Marigold), Chamomile, Burdock, Baptista, Red Clover, Marshmallow, Yellow

>dock, Yucca, Garlic, Shiitake Mushrooms, GLA, Thyme, Lavender, Bergamot,

>Lemon, Eucalyptus, Tea Tree, Rosemary, Black Pepper, Cardamom, Ginger, Gotu

>Kola, Kelp, Dandelion, Una de gato (or Cat's claw)

>-CANCER/TUMOR FIGHTING: Thyme, sweet basil, Turmeric, Garlic, Astragalus,

>ligustrum, Siberian ginseng, Shiitake mushrooms, Polporus, Pau d'arco,

>Butterbur, Mistletoe, Celandine (Chelidonium), Podophyllum, Boldocynara,

>Lycopodium, barberry, Bio-C-Lozenges, Echinacea, Comfrey or Wallwosan

>(Symphytum officinale), Lactic Acid Preparations, Molkosan, sauerkraut

>juice, vegetable juices

>-LIVER STRENGTHENING/DETOXIFYING: Dandelion, burdock, chamomile, licorice,

>milk thistle, Ginger, garlic, rosemary, grape leaves, Artichokes, Licorice,

>astagalus, shizandra, bupleurum, Ginger, turmeric, cardamom, ginseng

>(especially red), ukon, reishi mushrooms, psyllium seed

>-PANCREAS BOOSTING: Horseradish, Papaya, Bilberry (blueberry) juice,

>blackcurrant juice, weak herb teas, true buttermilk, Papayasan in

>conjunction with Kelpasan

>

>OTHER:

>-gentle daily walks and/or yoga

>-prayer and/or meditation

>-acupuncture, acupressure, reiki, saunas, and/or massages?

>-castor oil packs over affected area

>-strict avoidance of pollutants of all kinds (synthetic fragrances,

>household toiletries and chemicals, etc.)

>

>I listed a number of websites and books for him, too.

>

>I was wondering if anyone else has any ideas beyond what I have told him

>about so far.

>

>I was also wondering what people think about how much fat he should eat. NT

>and other sources are very pro-animal fat, and I am generally (from organic

>grass-fed, hormone-free, antibiotic-free, vaccine-free, humanely-raised

>animals), but I wondered if the involvement of the bile duct makes that a

>problem? If he's having trouble secreting bile to digest the fat, could

>eating fat cause more problems than it solves? They put a stent in to bypass

>or help the bile duct so maybe it's okay?

>

>Jill Nienhiser

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You might also recommend Liver Flushes. I find them quite helpful but if he

is very ill he should be cautious. They can be harsh.

Irene

At 03:51 PM 8/8/02, you wrote:

>you might want to check out Dr at

><http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/>http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/ if

>you haven't already. He does nutritional therapy for cancer and is

>conducting a study on pancreatic cancer. He is in NY but works with

>patients all over the country.

>

>Irene

>

>At 10:36 AM 8/8/02, you wrote:

> >Hi gang,

> >

> >A friend in Missouri was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and sent home to

> >die. There was a tumor on the pancreas wrapping around the bile duct,

> >leading to jaundice which is why they starting looking for something (to

> >discover the source of the jaundice). The tumor has spread to the liver,

> >which is fairly extensively involved. Surgery was ruled out because it

> >spread, and he ruled out trying chemotherapy because the liver is involved

> >and he figured the toxic chemicals would sit in his body longer since the

> >liver would have a harder time filtering them out. They told him to " get his

> >affairs in order " and " eat whatever you want " (sounds like they believe

> >there is absolutely no hope).

> >

> >I figure, he's not doing chemo so that's great, and that he should

> >immediately see a naturopath, make a major change in diet and start on

> >various herbal supplements. The gist of what I recommended to him (with the

> >caveat that he involve a naturopath to help establish a plan with him) are:

> >

> >FOOD:

> >-unheated honey, bee pollen, and royal jelly

> >-raw milk, butter, and cream (copiously)

> >-raw and fermented grass fed meat and fish (kibbeh, ceviche, etc.)

> >-strict exclusion of refined carbohydrates and processed foods, artificial

> >colors, preservatives, sugar substitutes, etc.

> >-NT beverages: beet kvass, whey drink, kombucha, raw liver cocktail, cabbage

> >juice tonic, carrot juice cocktail

> >-NT lacto-fermented products, particularly sauerkraut

> >

> >SUPPLEMENTS (compiled from numerous herbals I have; some duplication among

> >the lists, of course):

> >-GENERAL: cod liver oil and high vitamin butter oil (x-factor oil), and

> >coconut oil

> >-IMMUNITY BOOSTING: Echinacea, Ligustrum, Astragalus, Licorice, Bupleurum,

> >Chinese skullcap, Ginseng, Ashwaganda, Chinese Shizandra, Calendula

> >(Marigold), Chamomile, Burdock, Baptista, Red Clover, Marshmallow, Yellow

> >dock, Yucca, Garlic, Shiitake Mushrooms, GLA, Thyme, Lavender, Bergamot,

> >Lemon, Eucalyptus, Tea Tree, Rosemary, Black Pepper, Cardamom, Ginger, Gotu

> >Kola, Kelp, Dandelion, Una de gato (or Cat's claw)

> >-CANCER/TUMOR FIGHTING: Thyme, sweet basil, Turmeric, Garlic, Astragalus,

> >ligustrum, Siberian ginseng, Shiitake mushrooms, Polporus, Pau d'arco,

> >Butterbur, Mistletoe, Celandine (Chelidonium), Podophyllum, Boldocynara,

> >Lycopodium, barberry, Bio-C-Lozenges, Echinacea, Comfrey or Wallwosan

> >(Symphytum officinale), Lactic Acid Preparations, Molkosan, sauerkraut

> >juice, vegetable juices

> >-LIVER STRENGTHENING/DETOXIFYING: Dandelion, burdock, chamomile, licorice,

> >milk thistle, Ginger, garlic, rosemary, grape leaves, Artichokes, Licorice,

> >astagalus, shizandra, bupleurum, Ginger, turmeric, cardamom, ginseng

> >(especially red), ukon, reishi mushrooms, psyllium seed

> >-PANCREAS BOOSTING: Horseradish, Papaya, Bilberry (blueberry) juice,

> >blackcurrant juice, weak herb teas, true buttermilk, Papayasan in

> >conjunction with Kelpasan

> >

> >OTHER:

> >-gentle daily walks and/or yoga

> >-prayer and/or meditation

> >-acupuncture, acupressure, reiki, saunas, and/or massages?

> >-castor oil packs over affected area

> >-strict avoidance of pollutants of all kinds (synthetic fragrances,

> >household toiletries and chemicals, etc.)

> >

> >I listed a number of websites and books for him, too.

> >

> >I was wondering if anyone else has any ideas beyond what I have told him

> >about so far.

> >

> >I was also wondering what people think about how much fat he should eat. NT

> >and other sources are very pro-animal fat, and I am generally (from organic

> >grass-fed, hormone-free, antibiotic-free, vaccine-free, humanely-raised

> >animals), but I wondered if the involvement of the bile duct makes that a

> >problem? If he's having trouble secreting bile to digest the fat, could

> >eating fat cause more problems than it solves? They put a stent in to bypass

> >or help the bile duct so maybe it's okay?

> >

> >Jill Nienhiser

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>>>>>I figure, he's not doing chemo so that's great, and that he should

immediately see a naturopath, make a major change in diet and start on

various herbal supplements.

-------->i think getting to a naturopath ASAP is important. It's GREAT that

you've put a lot of effort into helping him and i bet a lot of this *will*

help him. but i DO think it's important that he get to an experienced and

talented naturopath or other health professional as soon as he can.

i'll add some comments to what you've come up with, but be warned i'm just a

layperson. i've done some cancer research over the past few years because my

dog died of cancer in 2000, but my knowledge in this area is limited.

>>>>>The gist of what I recommended to him (with the

caveat that he involve a naturopath to help establish a plan with him) are:

FOOD:

-unheated honey, bee pollen, and royal jelly

-------->i would be hesitant to recommend any type of sugar, even from

natural sources. tumors preferentially 'feed' on glucose and although

complex carbs are converted to glucose as well, i see no point in directly

feeding the tumor with sugary foods. One of the leading canine cancer

researchers has found 'low to no carb' diets to be the most effective in

preventing tumor growth, IIRC.

-raw milk, butter, and cream (copiously)

------->i'd be hesitant about this due to the involvement of the bile duct.

at least, *copious* amounts might not be indicated.

-raw and fermented grass fed meat and fish (kibbeh, ceviche, etc.)

-strict exclusion of refined carbohydrates and processed foods, artificial

colors, preservatives, sugar substitutes, etc.

-NT beverages: beet kvass, whey drink, kombucha, raw liver cocktail, cabbage

juice tonic, carrot juice cocktail

-------->kombucha, beets and carrots are sugary foods/drinks - the harmful

effects *may* outweigh the beneficial.

>>>>>>>SUPPLEMENTS (compiled from numerous herbals I have; some duplication

among

the lists, of course):

-GENERAL: cod liver oil and high vitamin butter oil (x-factor oil), and

coconut oil

-IMMUNITY BOOSTING: Echinacea, Ligustrum, Astragalus, Licorice, Bupleurum,

Chinese skullcap, Ginseng, Ashwaganda, Chinese Shizandra, Calendula

(Marigold), Chamomile, Burdock, Baptista, Red Clover, Marshmallow, Yellow

dock, Yucca, Garlic, Shiitake Mushrooms, GLA, Thyme, Lavender, Bergamot,

Lemon, Eucalyptus, Tea Tree, Rosemary, Black Pepper, Cardamom, Ginger, Gotu

Kola, Kelp, Dandelion, Una de gato (or Cat's claw)

-CANCER/TUMOR FIGHTING: Thyme, sweet basil, Turmeric, Garlic, Astragalus,

ligustrum, Siberian ginseng, Shiitake mushrooms, Polporus, Pau d'arco,

Butterbur, Mistletoe, Celandine (Chelidonium), Podophyllum, Boldocynara,

Lycopodium, barberry, Bio-C-Lozenges, Echinacea, Comfrey or Wallwosan

(Symphytum officinale), Lactic Acid Preparations, Molkosan, sauerkraut

juice, vegetable juices

-LIVER STRENGTHENING/DETOXIFYING: Dandelion, burdock, chamomile, licorice,

milk thistle, Ginger, garlic, rosemary, grape leaves, Artichokes, Licorice,

astagalus, shizandra, bupleurum, Ginger, turmeric, cardamom, ginseng

(especially red), ukon, reishi mushrooms, psyllium seed

-PANCREAS BOOSTING: Horseradish, Papaya, Bilberry (blueberry) juice,

blackcurrant juice, weak herb teas, true buttermilk, Papayasan in

conjunction with Kelpasan

------------->i'm going to be frank - this seems like just too much stuff to

me. figuring out any possible contraindications among all these things would

be a nightmare plus, i really think that a good naturopath would first do

some diagnostics to see what your friend's *specific* needs are. some of

these things might not be what *his body* needs, and others might be. this

will also depend on the type and stage of cancer because each natural

compound is indicated for a specific type (or multiple types, in some cases)

and specific stages of cancer development (some are also indicated for more

than one stage). a good naturopath will develop a protocol based on these

issues and on the diagnostics that would (hopefully) shed light on

nutritional deficiencies, metabolic imbalances etc that are going on in your

friend's body.

also want to mention that i believe maitake d-fraction (mushroom) has shown

to be much more effective in cancer treatment than reishi or shitake.

>>>>>>OTHER:

-gentle daily walks and/or yoga

-prayer and/or meditation

-acupuncture, acupressure, reiki, saunas, and/or massages?

-castor oil packs over affected area

-strict avoidance of pollutants of all kinds (synthetic fragrances,

household toiletries and chemicals, etc.)

------->that all looks good!

>>>>I listed a number of websites and books for him, too.

---------->don't know if you have this on your list, but i'd recommend

" Herbal Medicine, Healing and Cancer " by Yance, master herbalist and

clinical nutritionist.

another one: " Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy " by Boik. This is a

relatively technical book, but is probably the best scientifically-oriented

and well referenced book on natural compounds for cancer that i've yet come

across. Boik gives details of various studies on each compound, and in many

cases lists the doses that were effective in the studies referenced. he

discusses the types of cancers and stages of development that each is

indicated for, as well. it's a great resource!

>>>>>>>I was also wondering what people think about how much fat he should

eat. NT

and other sources are very pro-animal fat, and I am generally (from organic

grass-fed, hormone-free, antibiotic-free, vaccine-free, humanely-raised

animals), but I wondered if the involvement of the bile duct makes that a

problem?

--------->i think it would.

>>>>If he's having trouble secreting bile to digest the fat, could

eating fat cause more problems than it solves?

----------->theoretically, i think the answer is yes, but it depends on the

level of impairment i imagine.

>>>>They put a stent in to bypass

or help the bile duct so maybe it's okay?

--------->sorry, not familiar with that.

An online pal's sister-in-law has a dog that was diagnosed with bile duct

carcinoma a little over a year ago. i think he was given a month or two to

live. my friend took the dog to her holistic vet (this is in Canada) and he

put the dog on a diet/supplement protocol. the diet was...vegan. yes, a

vegan diet for a carnivore. sounds crazy, but guess what? the dog is still

alive today and doing well! seems he's in remission. at first when i heard

he was put on a vegan diet, i thought it sounded crazy, but you can't argue

with success. i think the rationale (or at least part of it) was that fat

was too difficult for him to digest. i requested his diet/supp protocol,

which she sent me some time ago. i can ask her if i can pass it on to you,

if you have any interest in seeing it. obviously, it would not be something

your friend should specifically follow, but a successful protocol for bile

duct cancer (even in another species) might just add to your arsenal of

information on how to deal with this type of cancer (if indeed they're the

same type).

Best of luck! your friend is very lucky to have a friend like you...who

knows, you might just save his life

Suze Fisher

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Hi Jill:

Looks like you've done quite a bit of research for your friend. He can

definitely use your help and support. I think you got some pretty good

comments and suggestions so far, and like Suze, I'm also a layperson, but am

recovering from a life-threatening disease of which some forms of treatment

are similar to leukemia. However, I did not go the conventional route and

have been told by my doctor that I am beating the odds. Some suggestions I

have that I didn't see on your list are the following:

If possible, increase his water intake. Check out www.watercure2.com ,

make sure he's having regular bowel movements (If he's not having daily

bowel movements, he may have to use enemas to help him along. You can have

the best nutrition in the world, but if everything is all clogged up, that

nutrition won't get to where it's needed.), lots of fresh air (Go outside

and do some breathing exercises. Singing helps with this. Cancer

supposedly doesn't thrive well in a high oxygenated environment.), good

circulation is necessary so in addition to walking, saunas, and massages;

do some rebounding if possible. (This helps move the lymphatic fluid since

the lymphs don't have a pump of their own. Also alternating hot and cold

water during showering helps this too.). He might want to have a heavy

metals test done and do some chelation therapy if he has any high toxic

metal loads. Regular sunshine (There's a book called Sunlight, by Dr. Kime

which reveals the importance of regular sunshine. This might also help with

his jaundice.), and touching the earth (I know this one sounds weird, but if

I can find the link, I'll send it to you which explains this. It's been

more than a year since I read about it. Basically, let his feet touch the

earth regularly like walking barefoot on the grass daily. There was a

suspicion that high voltage powerlines were one factor is the development of

childhood leukemia, so a study was done wherein sheep were placed directly

under some high voltage powerlines. The sheep did not get leukemia and the

study was scrapped, but years later with more recent information, they

looked back at the study and realized that the sheep were touching the earth

and were thereby grounded. It's believed that the grounding is what

prevented the sheep from receiving the full negative effects of the high

voltage lines. We are constantly being exposed to a lot of EMF's that

people were never exposed to such as all these computers, cell phones, radio

waves, etc. and we are also wearing rubber shoes which insullate us from the

ground whereas our ancestors didn't have rubber shoes and were more in

contact with the earth.) I think someone mentioned Sam Biser's site. Read

the part about cayenne pepper on his site. Make sure he gets to bed early

like 9:00PM. It's important that he gets plenty of rest. (Dr. Day says,

" You can't fix a car while you're driving it. " )

That's about what comes to mind right now. I did the vegan thing for two

years, but this year have gone back to eating meats. I was able to put my

condition in remission with the vegan approach, but found that once I was in

remission, I needed some rebuilding material that the veganism didn't seem

to be providing. The animal products have really helped me out. It makes

me wonder if I should have included them from the beginning. It might be

that we need a different diet when reversing a disease and then once that's

achieved get on a good maintance diet. (Just a thought there.) I had/have

a hematologist for monitoring my condition and lab support, and I have a

nutritionist where I had my heavy metals test done. But the program I used

as my treatment was done by me through personal research. I didn't pay a

nutritionist or doctor for that. Although it was slow, I was able to

recover with very little supplementation. I'm not saying not to go to a

specialist, but having a serious illness and not being able to work full

time can put a lot of additional financial burden on him. If a program can

be done at home as I did it, why waste the money? Of course he may want the

extra coaching, I don't know. But, basically, he's going to have to do all

the work himself anyway.

Hope this helps,

Marla

www.geocities.com/marlakins

----- Original Message -----

> Hi gang,

>

> A friend in Missouri was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and sent home to

> die. There was a tumor on the pancreas wrapping around the bile duct,

> leading to jaundice which is why they starting looking for something (to

> discover the source of the jaundice). The tumor has spread to the liver,

> which is fairly extensively involved. Surgery was ruled out because it

> spread, and he ruled out trying chemotherapy because the liver is involved

> and he figured the toxic chemicals would sit in his body longer since the

> liver would have a harder time filtering them out. They told him to " get

his

> affairs in order " and " eat whatever you want " (sounds like they believe

> there is absolutely no hope).

>

> I figure, he's not doing chemo so that's great, and that he should

> immediately see a naturopath, make a major change in diet and start on

> various herbal supplements. The gist of what I recommended to him (with

the

> caveat that he involve a naturopath to help establish a plan with him)

are:

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

a few more thoughts came to mind that might be useful:

1) add raw (or desicated) pancreas and liver to his diet (like heals like -

glandular therapy)

2) lipoic acid is super for regenerating the liver (thorne and designs for

health are 2 good brands). it's both a water- and fat- soluble antioxidant

that is naturally occurring in our bodies

3) LiverCare is also a powerful herbal liver supporter/cleanser

4) you might want to take a look at Poly-MVA - this is a non-toxic

chemotherapeutic agent (mostly made from lipoic acid, i think) that was

developed as a non-toxic therapy for brain cancer patients. a well-known

holistic vet (martin goldstein) uses it and is quite enthusiastic about his

results. i used it with my cancer dog for a while - don't know if it helped

him at all, though. i heard of one dog with squamous cell carcinoma (same as

my dog's) in FL who went into remission on it. i vaguely recall a fellow

Mainer telling me she used it successfully with her cat, as well. it was

originally developed for humans, though. anyhow, it might be worth checking

out:

http://www.polymvasurvivors.com/

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/poly.htm

(mentions pancreatic cancer)

http://www.thensome.com/poly.htm

Suze Fisher

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