Re: W.A. Price, and calcium levels

[Guest guest]

>>>>>Hi Everyone,

There has been a posting of many messages about calcium on the

traditional nutrition message board at Weston A. Price Org. They got

me to thinking about what Price said about the native people he

studied having 4 times the minerals of the standard RDA in the

1930's. The trouble is I can not find out what the RDA was back then.

Does any one have those statictics on file?

----------->sheila, maybe my memory is failing me, but i thought price found

that the average traditional/primitive diet had 4 times the calcium than the

typical Western *diet* of his time (which was heavy in refined flour, sugar,

canned goods and vegetable oils. not that it had 4 times the *RDA.* i

thought i had rechecked NAPD at some point to confirm this. but again, maybe

my memory is failing me...

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Suze,

You may be correct. I think I read somewhere that RDA's were not even

established until sometime in the 1930's. I will have to hunt further.

Do you know how much calcium the typical American diet had when Price

did his research? I remember reading how much magnesium they were

getting at that time I will send that to you after looking it up in

my files. Perhaps we could figure out the level of calcium people

were getting back then.

I remember reading in Price's book, that people who lived in high

mountain areas, who drank the water from the mountain streams, and

the native island people who ate a lot of seafood got the necessarey

amounts of calcium for good health. I assume other natives got there

minerals from the milk , meat, animal fats and anything else they ate

which was connected to the rich soils of their homelands. I simply

want to know how much calcium and other minerals they ate.

Thanks for replying.

Sheila

> >>>>>Hi Everyone,

> There has been a posting of many messages about calcium on the

> traditional nutrition message board at Weston A. Price Org. They got

> me to thinking about what Price said about the native people he

> studied having 4 times the minerals of the standard RDA in the

> 1930's. The trouble is I can not find out what the RDA was back

then.

> Does any one have those statictics on file?

>

>

> ----------->sheila, maybe my memory is failing me, but i thought

price found

> that the average traditional/primitive diet had 4 times the calcium

than the

> typical Western *diet* of his time (which was heavy in refined

flour, sugar,

> canned goods and vegetable oils. not that it had 4 times the *RDA.*

i

> thought i had rechecked NAPD at some point to confirm this. but

again, maybe

> my memory is failing me...

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> mailto:s.fisher22@v...

[Guest guest]

I think you are right, Suze.

Kris

> >>>>>Hi Everyone,

> There has been a posting of many messages about calcium on the

> traditional nutrition message board at Weston A. Price Org. They got

> me to thinking about what Price said about the native people he

> studied having 4 times the minerals of the standard RDA in the

> 1930's. The trouble is I can not find out what the RDA was back then.

> Does any one have those statictics on file?

>

>

> ----------->sheila, maybe my memory is failing me, but i thought price

found

> that the average traditional/primitive diet had 4 times the calcium than

the

> typical Western *diet* of his time (which was heavy in refined flour,

sugar,

> canned goods and vegetable oils. not that it had 4 times the *RDA.* i

> thought i had rechecked NAPD at some point to confirm this. but again,

maybe

> my memory is failing me...

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

[Guest guest]

Hi Suze,

Here are the interesting results I found on levels of Mg in:

1909 intake was 408mg/day

1949 intake was 388mg/day

1985 intake was 228mg/day

Processing of foods is mainly blamed for the decline in magnesium

levels.

If it is true then the calcium ratio to Mg should be at least double

this would put calcium at around 800 mg with magnesium at 400 mg.

Isn't this less than the maximum dose of either mineral recommended

for an adult today?

Sheila

> >>>>>Hi Everyone,

> There has been a posting of many messages about calcium on the

> traditional nutrition message board at Weston A. Price Org. They got

> me to thinking about what Price said about the native people he

> studied having 4 times the minerals of the standard RDA in the

> 1930's. The trouble is I can not find out what the RDA was back

then.

> Does any one have those statictics on file?

>

>

> ----------->sheila, maybe my memory is failing me, but i thought

price found

> that the average traditional/primitive diet had 4 times the calcium

than the

> typical Western *diet* of his time (which was heavy in refined

flour, sugar,

> canned goods and vegetable oils. not that it had 4 times the *RDA.*

i

> thought i had rechecked NAPD at some point to confirm this. but

again, maybe

> my memory is failing me...

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> mailto:s.fisher22@v...

[Guest guest]

>>>>Seems the thinking on magnesium is changing. It has been found that

unopposed calcium causes calcification, i.e. arthritis, wrinkles, etc.

While magnesium keeps the calcium in check.

--------->Kat, i'd like to read more about this especially as i'm trying to

calculate a healthy Mg/Ca ratio for my brother's GSD with spondylosis. i'm

woefully ignorant of what a healthy ratio may be for humans OR canines. I

*thought* Mg facilitates the uptake and/or utilization of Ca? Or does it

exert some kind of *homestatic* control over Ca uptake and/or utilization,

preventing calcification yet at the same time making sure enough is absorbed

and utilized?

Can you point me to any good articles about " unopposed " Ca causing

calcification? although spondylosis is common among GSDs, i can't help but

wonder if his diet prior to developing it, had imbalances in Ca and Mg. TIA

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

I try to get 2-1 mag-cal. Green juices do the trick for me, along with

colloidal minerals, spirulina, kelp, etc. I beleive that most unrefined

foods tend to contain more magnesium than calcium?

Are you familial with the work of Lois Kevran & his book " Biological

Transmutations? " . If not, i think you'd enjoy it.

In particular, he states that animals have the abilty to convert certain

minerals into other minerals. A typical example is Cows that eat grass and

produce milk (think about it). His books is available online if you search

for it, chris

>From: " Katanne " <katanne@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Re: W.A. Price, and calcium levels

>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:08:29 -0700

>

>I have been taking mega doses of magnesium to control pain, and have done a

>bit more research lately.

>

>Seems the thinking on magnesium is changing. It has been found that

>unopposed calcium causes calcification, i.e. arthritis, wrinkles, etc.

>While magnesium keeps the calcium in check.

>

>There is a lot of new information on all this, and I have found that most

>agree that our ratios have been off. Most recommend 4 parts mag to 3 parts

>cal.

>

>It sure has turned my life around!

>

>Kat

>http://www.katking.com

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: " h2ocolor1937 " <h2ocolor@...>

>< >

>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:30 PM

>Subject: Re: W.A. Price, and calcium levels

>

>

> > Hi Suze,

> >

> > Here are the interesting results I found on levels of Mg in:

> > 1909 intake was 408mg/day

> > 1949 intake was 388mg/day

> > 1985 intake was 228mg/day

> >

> > Processing of foods is mainly blamed for the decline in magnesium

> > levels.

> > If it is true then the calcium ratio to Mg should be at least double

> > this would put calcium at around 800 mg with magnesium at 400 mg.

> > Isn't this less than the maximum dose of either mineral recommended

> > for an adult today?

> > Sheila

> >

> >

> > > >>>>>Hi Everyone,

> > > There has been a posting of many messages about calcium on the

> > > traditional nutrition message board at Weston A. Price Org. They got

> > > me to thinking about what Price said about the native people he

> > > studied having 4 times the minerals of the standard RDA in the

> > > 1930's. The trouble is I can not find out what the RDA was back

> > then.

> > > Does any one have those statictics on file?

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------->sheila, maybe my memory is failing me, but i thought

> > price found

> > > that the average traditional/primitive diet had 4 times the calcium

> > than the

> > > typical Western *diet* of his time (which was heavy in refined

> > flour, sugar,

> > > canned goods and vegetable oils. not that it had 4 times the *RDA.*

> > i

> > > thought i had rechecked NAPD at some point to confirm this. but

> > again, maybe

> > > my memory is failing me...

> > >

> > >

> > > Suze Fisher

> > > Web Design & Development

> > > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> > > mailto:s.fisher22@v...

> >

> >

> >

> >