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Welcome, Connie.

I'm sure the caraway is not essential. I don't think sauerkraut in a can has

it. The oozing over the top is par for the course. I've learned to sit the

jar in another container to catch any overflow. It settles down after a

couple days. Be aware that sauerkraut is much smoother and nicer after a

month or so in the frig.

Kris

> Hello.

>

> I am new to this list....just joined today....My name is Connie, and

> I live in Grand Rapids, MI. I have had the NT book for quite a

> while, and would like to slowly change my family's eating

> habits...not an easy task as they are 20, 17, 17, and 5. My husband

> is willing to try anything, so that is GOOD. My kids aren't so

> willing. I made pickles recently, and we (my dh and I) loved them!

>

> But I am wondering about someting. I just made my first batch of

> saurkraut from the NT book, and first off, I used the caraway seeds,

> but I don't really like the taste of caraway, so it is essential?

> Can I replace it with, say, chopped or sliced garlic? I would like

> that much better.

>

> Secondly, I did it in the wide mouth quart sized jar, and left at

> least an inch of head space, but it still oozed out of the top of the

> closed jar. Is that OK? is it safe to eat? Did air get into the

> kraut and make it not safe?

>

> I am planning to try another batch, maybe tomorrow, but I'm not sure

> of this. I don't want to poison us! :)

>

> Thanks in advance for any information!

>

> Connie

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Hello Kris,

Thanks for the info. That is exactly what I did when I saw it start

to ooze...I placed it into another container to catch it....but I

must admit I did worry that it might EXPLODE!!! It was so cool when

I opened it up and saw that it seemed alive! It was bubbling all

over the place.

As my husband will probably be the one to eat most of this kraut with

the caraway seeds, I didn't want him to think I was poisoning him! :)

I have already bought another head of cabbage and am going to try

another batch with garlic in it! I LOVE garlic.

Well, now I will probably go to the lurker mode. I am in several

groups and that is where I usually am!

Thanks again for the information.....and TIA for all the future great

info I expect I will see!

Connie

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" BTW, in my Harsch fermenting crock now is ten pounds of peeled and grated "

This is a kitchen device made especially for fermenting? Where did you get

it? I would like to have something like that.

Elaine

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> But I am wondering about someting. I just made my first batch

> of saurkraut from the NT book, and first off, I used the caraway

> seeds, but I don't really like the taste of caraway, so it is

> essential?

Added flavorings are not essential. The only thing in my own

sauerkraut is cabbage and salt (ten pounds of cabbage and 5

tablespoons of salt).

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> Mine too , I dislike flavored saurkrauts.

My wife is German, and she occasionally makes cooked sauerkraut with ketchup in

it (that's how her mother made it), but she knows not to put caraway seeds in

anything she intends for me to eat. I hate the taste of caraway.

BTW, in my Harsch fermenting crock now is ten pounds of peeled and grated

turnips w/ 5 tbsp salt. I can open it on Sept 29. With the sauerkraut there was

the occasional little bloop of gas through the airlock, but for the first 3-4

days with the turnips there was a bubble of gas every few minutes. I really wish

the Harsch crocks came with glass lids so the contents could be viewed during

fermentation.

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I use one too, I get mine from Goldmine catolog. it come in different sizes

too. I'm not sure where you would find on ein Switzerland but since it's

German it can't be too hard.

piimaman

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>> " BTW, in my Harsch fermenting crock now is ten pounds of peeled

>> and grated "

>

> This is a kitchen device made especially for fermenting? Where

> did you get it?

I got mine at Goldmine foods and then promptly found it elsewhere for

a lot less:

http://www.juicersforless.com/catalog/product_info

..php/cPath/75/products_id/1670

The shorter version of that link:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q5A212FD1

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What's the brand name again? I'm going to look for one before we move.

Elaine

I use one too, I get mine from Goldmine catolog. it come in different sizes

too. I'm not sure where you would find on ein Switzerland but since it's

German it can't be too hard.

piimaman

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Hi folks,

I'm sure this has been discussed here, and I did a search for saurkraut to

try to look for the relevant posts, but I couldn't find them, so sorry if

this is a repeat discussion.

I'm making my first batch of saurkraut right now, I just put it in today. I

remember something about folks saying the fermented food has to be completely

submerged and should be weighed down with something. Is that true with

saurkraut? The cabbage just comes up to the suface of the liquid right now,

and there might be a few parts of pieces here and there just barely rising up

above the surface. Is that going to hurt my saurkraut at all? Also, there

are a few shreds that got stuck up along the sides of the jars above the

surface of the liquid. Does that matter? It seems like since it was all

mixed together that they will be somewhat saturated with whey/salt so as to

ferment or at least not harbor ill bacteria.

I don't care if a few shreds don't ferment right, but I want to make sure I'm

not ruining my batch or anything. Maybe I'm remember incorrectly anyway, as

there was also a post or two about the liquid " oozing, " in which case it

would manage to cover everything I suppose.

Thanks,

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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In a message dated 10/11/02 11:57:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

talbright@... writes:

> Did he add pickling salt to the water?

> He should have layered it

> Shredded cabbage, then a bit of salt, then cabbage, etc

Hmm... I followed the recipe in NT which called for four tablespoons of whey

and a tablespoon of salt, I used Lima unrefined sea salt. I didn't add any

water at all, it said to beat the cabbage with a meat pounder to get the

juices out, which, together with the way, created sufficient liquid.

What's a field stone and where do I get one? Is there any option I have for

a last minute make-shift something-or-other that I don't have to buy or go

out and search for? I already put the batch in a couple of hours ago, and

I'm going to sleep now. I hope it isn't totally screwed up though.

Thank you very much for your reply and to anyone else who can help,

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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also, my saurkraut is currently in two 16 oz jars, which is all I really had,

and I don't have a plate or anything that could fit in them. geez, i hope

it's ok!

chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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I am still waiting for the answer to your second question.

I'll send it on as soon as I hear anything. As I said, this

is a friend of mine who lives on a farm that makes a lot

of kraut. A field stone is a large flat smooth stone.

There are probably more people on the list that make

kraut that will be able to help you that have knowledge

of the book. I jut thought I would ask an old pro. Hope

I said field stone because it has a smooth surface and can easily be cleaned

before use.

That is what I used on the farm. These stones were all over the place.

Use something else for a weight.

It would have to be something that can be cleaned well and be non-reactive.

I never beat the cabbage.

Don't add water, the weight will compress the cabbage and force the water up.

That is the water that comes out of the cabbage.

The salt (should be pickling salt without additives) will also pull water out of

the cabbage.

Lima salt (don't know it) may be ok if it is pure.

----- Original Message -----

From: ChrisMasterjohn@...

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:12 AM

Subject: Re: saurkraut

In a message dated 10/11/02 11:57:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

talbright@... writes:

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Your kraut will be fine in those containers. You may

want something a bit larger for your next batch.

Here is the answer to this question. Hope

What abot a saucer?

Usually you make it in much bigger containers.

I used a glazed stoneware pot

----- Original Message -----

From: ChrisMasterjohn@...

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:14 AM

Subject: Re: saurkraut

also, my saurkraut is currently in two 16 oz jars, which is all I really had,

and I don't have a plate or anything that could fit in them. geez, i hope

it's ok!

chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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Answer 3 Hope

What he coud do is to take a smaller jar that fits into the bigger jar

and apply the weight this way.

He could even fill the smaller jar up with something to add weight

----- Original Message -----

From: ChrisMasterjohn@...

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:14 AM

Subject: Re: saurkraut

also, my saurkraut is currently in two 16 oz jars, which is all I really had,

and I don't have a plate or anything that could fit in them. geez, i hope

it's ok!

chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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I pound down the cabbage, add a quite a few of the large cabbage leaves to

the top (instead of using a cloth) and hold the whole thing down with large

crystals.

Any type of large rock* that will fit in the top of your jar will do. I use

enough so the cabbage leaves are securly weighted down.

The rock should be smooth, not porus. I use crystals because I know they

are hard, non-porus, non-toxic, and look pretty.

Take care,

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " Reece Albright " <talbright@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:45 PM

Subject: Re: saurkraut

> Answer 3 Hope

>

>

> What he coud do is to take a smaller jar that fits into the bigger jar

> and apply the weight this way.

> He could even fill the smaller jar up with something to add weight

>

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: ChrisMasterjohn@...

>

> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:14 AM

> Subject: Re: saurkraut

>

>

> also, my saurkraut is currently in two 16 oz jars, which is all I really

had,

> and I don't have a plate or anything that could fit in them. geez, i

hope

> it's ok!

>

> chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is

a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds,

and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight

of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable

to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any

creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of

the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

>

>

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Steve,

> Hi folks,

>

> I'm sure this has been discussed here, and I did a search for

saurkraut to

> try to look for the relevant posts, but I couldn't find them, so

sorry if

> this is a repeat discussion.

You might also do a search for " sauErkraut " (with an " e " ) to find

stuff in the archive.

> I'm making my first batch of saurkraut right now, I just put it in

today

Here's my experience making sauerkraut:

.. I've never used salt or whey and I've never had problems with

batches getting contaminated and unsafe to eat although I did

once get a batch that didn't ferment. (No fizz.)

.. I like to use jars rather than crocks since I'm going to be putting

the fermenting cabbage into the fridge after three or four days of

fermenting. Using quart mason (or other) jars works for me because

then I can open only the jar I'm currently consuming. The rest gets

to age in the fridge. And, if one jar doesn't ferment I haven't

lost the whole batch.

.. I use a Champion juicer with the solid blank in to beat the cabbage

literally to a pulp. I use the filter rather than the blank to make

some juice that I add to the top of each jar. If I have too little

juice then the fermentation starts out much slower.

.. I leave 1 1/2 inches or so at the top of the jar with no pulp or

juice at that level, just air. If I don't then the fermenting juice

(especially) those first few days, will overflow the jar.

.. I tighten the mason jar lid on the jar, tight enough but not so

tight that it'd be hard to unscrew the lid later.

.. I put the fermenting jar in a cupboard to block out light and

leave it alone for three days. On the fourth day I test the

sauerkraut by slowly unscrewing the lid. If I hear a fizz then I

know there's fermentation going on and I transfer the jars, sealed,

to the fridge to slow down yet continue the fermentation. If

there's no fizz I screw the lid back on and check the jar again in

a day or two. If after a week there's no fizz at all, not even a

little then I give up on that jar.

.. I started out with the crock/dish/towel method but once I learned

the jar method and realized I was going to need a bunch of jars

anyway for refrigerating the kraut I've never gone back to what,

in my opinion, is a riskier and more troublesome method.

.. I prefer to make sauerkraut in the cooler months. In hot weather

the sauerkraut ferments too quickly.

.. Most supermarkets sell Mason jars and replacement lids for them as

well. Jars typically cost 50 to 60 cents apiece but you have to

buy then in cases of 12.

I hope this helps.

Sol

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You have black stuff growing on the top?

You didn't use iodized salt with anti-caking agents did you?

The whey is optional for making kraut. But if the percent of

salt approaches 10% you don't get much fermentive action.

Five percent salt is about right.

Darrell

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> The whey is optional for making kraut. But if the percent of

> salt approaches 10% you don't get much fermentive action.

> Five percent salt is about right.

>

Actually 5% would be very salty Darrell. Most academic and governmental

agricultural resources recommend 2% -3% salt, which is still pretty salty.

People often complain that commercial sauerkraut which has about this amount of

salt is too salty. I use the minimum amount for sauerkraut that is fermented

unrefrigerated, which is about 1%.

regards, Bruce

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